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41  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Who's winning more casinos or gamblers? on: June 06, 2024, 04:36:06 PM
Every day, thousands of dollars enter or leave the treasury of casinos, and we always hear about a gambler who wins or loses a large sum of money.

The thing that caught my attention is that the casino never loses. The money that you win is not the property of the casino, but of another player. The casino is in the process of recycling the money that the players have invested. There is always a winner and a loser, and when you bet with an amount of money, you bet against the money of all the other players. If you win, they will pay you from their money, and if someone else wins, they will pay himBTCBTC from your money.

So the casino remains the biggest beneficiary, right?
That's correct and I agree with the OP. It is impossible to win from the casino, but there is another plan and it is that you can win from other people against whom we play in this casino. To do this, the player must clearly understand the games in which they will win against their opponents who are sitting opposite him. The first thing that comes to my mind is poker, because having an advantage over other players, you can win money from them over the long haul. Of course, sometimes luck will help them and they will beat us several times, but the most important thing is that this does not put us on tilt. Otherwise, under the influence of tilt, the player may lose to the newcomer whom he wanted to win. Resisting tilt is a separate topic for discussion, but I have already conveyed the most important essence. Besides poker, there are probably other games where we play against other players.
42  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What do you really want from gambling? on: June 06, 2024, 04:30:33 PM
In fact, I’m very glad that at least someone is thinking about this, because many players can play for the sake of playing without understanding why (just like robots), or for the sake of money that they don’t need, but they didn’t understand this and maybe will never understand.

1. I want to gain financial independence from gambling, but at the same time I understand that this is impossible. It turns out that I am in conflict with myself and this scares me.

2. I study how gambling works, communication on our forum also helps me, because many people look at gambling from different angles and opinions. I have quite a lot of experience, but I find something new for myself. I’ll probably put my puzzle together soon and start playing less and only for fun, not for money.
43  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you think gambling every day is better? on: June 06, 2024, 04:25:17 PM
The player, of course, needs to maintain a balance between real life and the game; it is clear that this is often difficult to do, under the influence of excitement and interest in the face of the unknown. I place bets only after I have completed all my daily tasks that I need to do. Others, on the contrary, run to play, and if there is time left for something, then they do it. Surely there are those who play in complete disorder without thinking about anything other than the game, this is terrible because this can lead to unsanitary conditions and other diseases of the eyes, back and psychological problems due to sleep disturbances. Also, do not forget that playing every day, most likely the player will end up losing, and with poor health. I am categorically against playing every day, except for one case when the stakes are too small and we devote no more than 20 minutes a day to them.

To be honest, there is no absolute answer to this and it may vary from person to person. some gamblers may gamble even a single time and risk everything in one game (and lose) while others may keep playing every day but only lose a small portion of money because they apply risk management to this game. This is the reason, i will emphasis that this is a subjective matter and there is no definite answer to this. Individual gambler's preferences, their experiences, and approaches to gambling would definatley shape up their perspectives on whether they find more profit or fun  gambling daily or weekly (or fortnightly) whatever may be the schedule.

Also, the gambler must balance the real life work and gambling, which can be difficult due to excitement and curiosity. Personally, I will only place bets after completing my daily tasks and if I am busy, I may take a break for a few days before returning to gambling. So without describing a particular scenario, it is difficult to tell whether gambling every day is better or not.
In fact, everyone decides for themselves how much to bet, because what may seem right to one, will not be done at all by another. Someone will say why should I constantly bet every day, I’d rather save myself time, and take the maximum risk and become either a king or a pauper (roughly speaking). And some people want to have a little fun in betting every day so that it lasts, that's what they like.

It’s good that after your daily duties you start gambling, because otherwise there will be chaos in our lives and this will gradually lead us to disorder and can knock us out of the work of life’s usual pace and daily routine.
44  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Биткоин и страны со слабой экономикой on: June 06, 2024, 04:14:59 PM
Ну ее время точно стоит дорого и она не тратит его на всякую ерунду или поездку ради поездки, значит конкретную планы или ставку делает на это. Она смотрит на потенциальный выхлоп. А что касается более надежных инструментов это это не про эту пиковую даму, она известна рисковыми движняками, из-за чего и обрела славу среди инвесторов. Та же акции тесла, которые покупал ее фонд когда еще это не было мейнстримом. Хотя все мы знаем что они там перетр*х*лись переинсайдерились. Может мы чего-то не знаем и она еще ездит в такие же потенциальные страны, ведь чем больше прикормишь, тем большая будет вероятная отдача.
Я бы не стал исключать вариант с тем, что её банально купили и она не по своей воле приехала в страну помаячить своим фэйсом. Такое достаточно часто практикуется в последнее время. У Букеле есть предрасположенность к пиар кампаниям. Он достаточно хорошо умеет это делать, как я понял. И тут может быть точно также.

Да уж, чего только в голову мне не придет. А все почему? Да что-то с каждым днем все больше теряю веру в человечество, а также в добрые намерения людей.
Этих самых добрых намерений осталось не у такого уж и большого количества людей. Поэтому вполне возможно ради денег эти толстосумы будут готовы на многое. А почему бы себя в выгодном свете не выставить и заработать. Я тоже начинаю часто задумываться что многие только и думают о свое опе... надо хотя бы минимально помогать нуждающимся и не тем которые стоят под метро и побегут за первой бутылкой как только им рубль упадет, а делать это избирательно, удостоверившись что пожертвования попадут куда необходимо.

Получилась некая реклама страны, а что, известные люди запросто могут рекламировать страну, например у которой будущее связанное с битком. Тем более ему биток напрямую в кошель кинут как вознаграждение Wink
45  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Стоит ли сейчас инвестировать в Биткоин? on: June 06, 2024, 03:28:59 PM

Раз уж рынок любит красивые числа, и это уже не раз доказанный факт - то наверное, цена должна дойти до 100к.
Разве есть цель более красивая, и относительно не далёкая от нашего теперешнего положения? Поэтому пускай это будет диапазон от 75к, и до 100к.
Как думаете, имеет шанс на жизнь такой сценарий?

Президентские выборы в США только летом, чувствую осенью будет конкретная жаришка!

Да, многие уже склоняются к тому, что летом вряд ли будет что-то интересное.
От 75к запросто, что там осталось пару тысяч и будет вам 75к. А вот 100к более хорошая цель, до нее битку придется попотеть и было бы здорово преодолеть это значение, чтобы закрепится. Мнения тут разделяются, не все верят в то что это возможно, мое мнение таково что на этом булране все будет крутится возле 100к а там уже смотреть по рынку нужно, может как с предыдущим АТХ будет, когда до 70 чуток не дотянулись.
100 тысяч звучит очень сильно, в процентах это на самом деле не так уж и много. Прием там уже слухи поползли что если Трамп победит на осенних выборах то биток выше соточки будет. Это типа прямой призыв купить голоса криптанов, мол знаете где галочку поставить, за это кошелечек ваш будет потолще, но обещания дают все, а выполняют их далеко не все.

Кроме всего прочего кто сильно уважает Кийосаки, которого уже некоторые "полюбили", уже орет про 350 тысяч в 2025 году. Вообще такие выкрики в крипте происходят постоянно, кто выше ляпнет, но это ничего не имеет с действительностью, лишь бы оставаться в новостях и чтобы упоминали, остальное абсолютно не важно им.
46  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Биткойн и банковский кризис on: June 04, 2024, 07:36:54 PM

  Главное - быть осторожным со словом биткойн, ведь он популярен у отжимателей криптактивов. Лучше говорить, что холдишь неопулярные шитки.

Недавно размышлял о том, что возможно, теперь у отжимателей есть четкое понимание о том, как выглядит средний криптан. И они отлично знают, какие приложения искать в смартфоне последнего. Вероятно это уже идёт как приятный бонус - общипать криптана, если дошло дело до проверки его смартфона. В любом случае при попадании к ним в руки, криптан никуда не денется - скажет пароли/приложит отпечаток. Поэтому у тех, кто шифруется по максимуму, скорее всего есть и привычка не ставить крипто приложухи, и удалять биржи из автозаполнения.

Банковский кризис конечно даёт шанс на рост Биткоина. Точнее даже не банковский, а долговой кризис, потому что банковский кризис в США был успешно купирован.
Банковские приложения, биржевые приложения, криптокошельки, всякие программы для управления своим портфелем - это конечно объекты для атаки со стороны злоумышленников. Последним достаточно получить физический или иной доступ к смартфону или ноутбуку и они легко обчистят криптана.
Вероятно, лучше или не держать подобных программ на своем девайсе, или применять всякие хитрости.
Например, у смартфонов Xiaomi есть возможность создать второе пространство - а вот там и можно держать такие финансовые приложения. Злоумышленник, который не знает о наличии второго пространства их не найдет.
Да обчищают регулярно в крипте целенаправленно или взламывают апки, протоколы и тд. Вроде бы даже с каждым годом вроде цифра по кражам только растет. А еще никто не учитывает рядовые уловки, обманы, скамы и соц. инженирию. Думаю только в снгшных странах пострадали очень многие. Сам попадался на мелкие уловки на отс, хотя считаю себя достаточно прошареным в плане безопасности. Сегодня еще писали в топике бинанса, что увели у пользователя 1 миллион usdt, а в биржа сказала сам виноват. Кароче по безопасности целая наука уже в крипте, новичок если попадет в крипту, это тоже самое что оказаться на минном поле.

То ли дело банки, там же всегда надежно, но это не точно  Grin
47  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: If we lose in gambling, what do we need to do? on: June 04, 2024, 07:20:42 PM
Whenever we are gambling and we experience loss, we should try to analyze the situation and know the cause of that, this will help us in preventing any future reoccurrence of the same thing that have happened, doing this will also helped towards having a continuous gambling experience as we have desired to always see, each bet made comes with it's own experience and what we have learn from it.
After every losses, the first thing we need to do is to make sure we leave betting and enjoy ourselves.
We need relax after very losses or consecutive losses so we don't pursue our loss because such attempt cam have a big consequence upon us and we need to take care of ourselves, taking a vacation and moving around so we can forget about the loss. There are many things we can always do when we lose bets and we should not try to gamble more because this would increase our losses if care is not taken. It is better we take a rest so we don't end up losing more in the market for nothing.
I agree with you on this, because if you don’t stop and lose in rage and without stopping, looking back, you can lose more than your entire deposit, but also get into huge debts. The player is unsettled by loss after loss and he does not feel support under his feet. It seems to him that the main thing in this moment is to win back at any cost. This is how I got my biggest loss that I have ever had, but whoever did not fall to the very bottom did not rise, it sounds like a phrase from boxing, but in gambling the same way, only in a psychological state. In short, stopping is important, you can take a hot bath or go to the sauna and take a contrast shower, this is the best way to reboot me. In addition, time also helps, after we have told ourselves the word stop, we must try to do other things to distract ourselves. I think they haven’t come up with anything better yet.
48  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Online gambling increases computer education. on: June 04, 2024, 07:08:51 PM
Each time I visit some physical betting shop in my country, I usually observe how some elderly people make use of computers. I live in a country where most people 55 years and above don't have basic computer education. Many of them cannot use the mouse, keyboard, or other parts of the computer. This might be because most of them have not been exposed to computer education.

However, the introduction of online betting has forced most gamblers in my country to learn how to use the computer. It is now common to see some elderly people using the mouse and keyboard effectively. Most of them have never attended any computer education class but learned through observation. Others might have gone through some level of training from family or friends. I am sure many of them wouldn't have learned anything about the computer if not for online gambling. What are your thoughts?
This is probably true, but the main problem with gambling is becoming addicted and doing various things that the player would not have done if he had not become too gambling. I have nothing against the fact that older people have begun to use the computer more often to place bets; moreover, there are a number of implicit positive aspects in gambling besides the computer. One of them is that players can throw out their negative emotions in the game, and not in real life. If I were asked whether gambling brings more positive or negative benefits, I would think and would not be able to quickly answer this question.

By the way, these older players will begin to use computers not only to place bets, but will also begin to look for various information that interests them, such as other hobbies. In general, there is definitely something in this.
49  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you think gambling every day is better? on: June 04, 2024, 05:46:01 PM
Great observation!  
Of course, any decision and action of the player naturally has some consequences.  
Moreover, if he lost a huge amount in a casino, then the consequences for the player can be catastrophic, but for the casino it’s just the opposite.  So it all depends on whose side you are on.  As for spending time playing games, many people spend too much time on gambling and this can lead to gambling addiction.  And the main thing is that the player himself almost never pays attention to how quickly time passes when he plays.  Hence the desire for daily games.  
Sometimes a player doesn’t even have enough time to satisfy his gaming needs, and all his close people don’t like this at all.
The player, of course, needs to maintain a balance between real life and the game; it is clear that this is often difficult to do, under the influence of excitement and interest in the face of the unknown. I place bets only after I have completed all my daily tasks that I need to do. Others, on the contrary, run to play, and if there is time left for something, then they do it. Surely there are those who play in complete disorder without thinking about anything other than the game, this is terrible because this can lead to unsanitary conditions and other diseases of the eyes, back and psychological problems due to sleep disturbances. Also, do not forget that playing every day, most likely the player will end up losing, and with poor health. I am categorically against playing every day, except for one case when the stakes are too small and we devote no more than 20 minutes a day to them.
50  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Would you bet against the club you support? on: June 04, 2024, 02:47:51 PM
Well I never betted against the club i support I'll rather bet on other matches. However this brings us back to the question, would you bet against the club you support ?

It depends on the situation, if I need money and if based on my analysis the club I'm supporting is a huge underdog with no way to team I can bet against the team or club I'm supporting as a gambler we are looking for an opportunity to make money so why let this slip you, there are will be times that you can show your support to your favorite team.

When I was betting on horse racing I had a list of favorite horses that gave me a lot of winning combinations, but there were times that I bet against them when they were handicapped and they were up against strong horses It was just the way things on sports betting, you can remain loyal and still make money.

It's different if you are a very loyal supporter and you do not need money and just here out of loyalty to the club you're supporting.
Several years ago I analyzed my club and realized how weak it was, I even had thoughts that I had never seen it weaker and I was right. In general, I placed one bet on him and she won. After that, I looked at future matches and there were good odds that I couldn’t refuse, because the teams were almost equal in strength. In general, I won them all (about 4 bets on 4 games), and was able to make money. Of course, it may not be very ethical to bet against your favorite team, but I am not a hardcore fan and it is very easy for me to bet against a team and I will not feel anything bad. Let those who are involved in fraud or fake matches feel that this is what really should not be done.
51  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Биткоин и институциональные инвесторы on: June 03, 2024, 08:36:57 PM
Вот очередная порция довольно позитивных новости из мира больших криптокитов и их легализации криптобизнеса

MicroStrategy и Майкл Сэйлор урегулировали дело о налогах за $40 млн

"Компания MicroStrategy и Майкл Сэйлор достигли соглашения с прокуратурой округа Колумбия на сумму в $40 млн в рамках дела об уклонении от уплаты налогов. Об этом сообщает  The New York Times со ссылкой на судебные документы.
Местные власти подали в суд на Сэйлора в августе 2022 года. Согласно обвинению, с 2005 года он не заплатил более $25 млн с полученных доходов.
Предприниматель заявлял, что в этот период он якобы являлся резидентом других штатов с более низкими ставками, включая Вирджинию и Флориду. Основатель MicroStrategy пытался добиться отклонения иска, но в марте 2023 года суд отказал в его ходатайстве. 
По данным журналистов, официальные лица оценили дело как «крупнейшее за всю историю мошенничество с подоходным налогом» в округе."

Вот ведь доеб@лись до человека мира. Не дают покоя криптанские миллионы, точнее миллиарды, как у Сейлор. Хочется халявщикам обобрать криптана.
Где он там живёт? В каких штатах? , да вообще то кому какое дело.
Он вообще может в нейтральный водах в океане на своей яхте  Grin
Да у америкосов схема такая походу, ищут с кого можно срубить бабла, например из денежного мешка по имени Сэйлор. Смотрят что с криптой связан и прикинули что не обеднеет от раскулачивания на 2 десятков лямов. Он же в свою очередь просто думал что прокатит про якобы резиденство других штатов, а нет. Вообще налоговики получили похвалу и прибавку к казне штата, может быть и премию к зп даже. Не он первый, не он последний. Еще и при про крупнейшее мошенничество поржал, ну их с этими приколами)
52  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Биткоин и страны со слабой экономикой on: June 03, 2024, 08:23:10 PM
Там про наш любимый Сальвадор видели новость, уважаемая Кэти Вуд (и некоторые члены ее команды) встретилась с Букеле.



Это не для заголовка, а были обговорены конкретные моменты: Она похвалила решимость главы государства создать оазис для криптовалют и технологий искусственного интеллекта, а также ввести в школах дополнительную учебную программу ARK Educate. Программа будет содержать в себе образовательные блоки, посвященные блокчейну, криптовалютам и ИИ.

Для таких небольших стран, не обладающих кипой ресурсов, создание таких вот оазисов очень крутое мероприятие. Скорее всего выхлоп придется ожидать на протяжении нескольких лет, но именно в школах затачиваются будущие гении если им создать комфортные условия. Другой вопрос в том что это все развивается очень быстро и всегда надо освежать мозги, и то что будет рассказано в школе не будет иметь актуальности спустя пару лет, ведь появятся скорее всего новые блокчейна и обновят намного ИИ. Все-таки Букеле молодец в том плане что взял смелость на себя и не побоялся неизвестности.
А Кэти Вуд умеет разглядеть перспективные варианты для своих инвестиций. Если уж она пошла на такой шаг, то стоит обратить внимание и остальным инвесторам на такие предложения. Не думал, что эта леди интересуется такой страной, как Сальвадор. Видимо, я ошибался на её счет. Хотя, с другой стороны, её ведь заинтересовала прибыль, которую можно будет извлечь. Все достаточно понятно в этой идеи. Мне же больше хочется почитать о том, что думает Вуд о рисках, которые сопровождают весь этот процесс. Естественно, что крипта и ИИ очень заманчивые направления, но есть же наиболее надежные инструменты, где нет высоких рисков и пр.
Ну ее время точно стоит дорого и она не тратит его на всякую ерунду или поездку ради поездки, значит конкретную планы или ставку делает на это. Она смотрит на потенциальный выхлоп. А что касается более надежных инструментов это это не про эту пиковую даму, она известна рисковыми движняками, из-за чего и обрела славу среди инвесторов. Та же акции тесла, которые покупал ее фонд когда еще это не было мейнстримом. Хотя все мы знаем что они там перетр*х*лись переинсайдерились. Может мы чего-то не знаем и она еще ездит в такие же потенциальные страны, ведь чем больше прикормишь, тем большая будет вероятная отдача.
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54  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Did gambling losses are traps to new game on: June 03, 2024, 07:59:58 PM
When I had meet my friends last Sunday,We had discussed about this topic.We are friends based on our gambling interest and all of us are the gamblers.I had already mentioned about my friend who loss 2k in this below thread also take part in our meeting.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5493038.0

He keep on playing the gambling with some loans from our friends circle to manage the 2000 dollars previous loss.But the result is both positive and negative based on his luck.One of my gambling friend said this “Gambling losses are the traps for the gamblers to get into gambling again.”He added when the gambling loss was increases,most of us will do the gambling to recover the old loss.Because no one earning money without work,So our wish will be to balance the old losses in the gambling site.Share your opinion on this.

With my experience,I had use to win and loss based on the time I am playing the game.If I had the gambling at the sleeping mood,most of the time.I had loss the capital money in the gambling site.The winning also depends upon the gambling experience,many gamblers use to play the game based on the game experience.But some gamblers think the gambling was based on the luck,So they only do the random betting in the gambling site.The reason for most of the loss in the gambling sites are repeating the same algorithm in the gambling site after the gambling site change their algorithm to the game.

Did you guys trust on gambling algorithms or do the random betting in the gambling site to check the current luck in the gambling sites…
There is definitely something important in the words of your my gambling friend. I thought that it is like a funnel of water that sucks us deeper and deeper, and when we do not have enough air and we are ready to do anything to swim out of it, then we do actions that can be destructive, for example, jeopardizing friendships with our friends from - because we borrowed money from them to play. In which almost everything is decided by luck, it’s irresponsible, I understand that, but I couldn’t help myself.

Never play in a sleepy mood because you will lack concentration and you may do things that are not normal for you. The same applies to alcoholic drinks; a separate topic was even created about this. I am convinced that we need to play a little and only with a clear mind and after a good sleep, and also so that we are not distracted by friends who want to have fun or children who need attention. I prefer to do this only separately.
55  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling addiction causes loss on: June 03, 2024, 07:48:13 PM
This statement is valid as there are gamblers who can control thier emotions and have that capability to limit their gambling activities and prevent being busted and wrecked their finances, people who knows how to stop when they needed to top and treat this venue as part of thei entertainment, though most can't as adrenaline and that kind of addiction that they feel inside which makes them to keep aiming to play from time to time, they are those that turn things to worse side of this industry, they can't handle their own emotions that's why they burned everything including the amount that they can't afford to lose.

To be honest, I really admire the way some people do things with their emotions, that is, while they are playing and can control them, that is something that seems incredible to me, I can't no matter how hard I have tried, I haven't been able to, because I always do things that go out of my plan, that's why I learned that the things in the game that you have to control is money, I prefer to control money before emotions, for this reason when we focus on making any move in the casino it comes At the limit there will no longer be a problem, because it is backed by a plan.

When I was a student and I didn’t have enough money for food, I became interested in gambling because I thought it would solve my money problems, and of course I was very naive. So I played micro-limit poker and was afraid for every hand, I had wild adrenaline, I scolded myself if I lost even one hand.

After years of playing and watching super pros, I realized a few things. One of them is that they don’t think about money at all, but only about the game and everything that happens there. This happens because they have enough money and their perception of money is different; for them it is not a luxury item, but a tool for increasing their quantity, because thanks to a large bankroll they can move up higher in the limits.

The conclusion I made for myself is that you need to be able to make such a bankcall or have money in your account so as not to think or worry about it in every hand and completely concentrate on the game. But even this is not a guarantee that you will forget about them, each player is different and has a psychological stability different from others, so maybe you will never know what a calm game is, but maybe I’m wrong.
56  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do some people hide to gamble on: June 03, 2024, 07:35:36 PM
In my opinion, gambling should be hidden from the people closest to you, especially the environment which cannot accept gambling activities well. but with those who hide it, maybe they will hide all their problems, sometimes it's necessary to talk about it, perhaps with their own friends or anyone who can accept it well and provide guidance when they know that gambling is an activity that is often done. because gambling can make someone forget self-control and here the importance of other people's advice is important. It's still good if you can realize yourself.

actually telling our parents about the gambling we are doing has negative and positive aspects, the negative is that our parents might scold us for doing activities that are harmful to ourselves, the positive is that they can give us advice to stop doing it or at least remind us not to do anything stupid. which endangers oneself such as risking all the money one has. The point is that not telling your parents is not a problem as long as we can remember the limits when gambling.
Of course, no one likes to be criticized for their shortcomings or inability to stop betting or playing games. It will seem to the player that he is doing everything right, but the losses will most likely continue. Parents can have a decisive role and take action to stop the player. This will not be an easy process, because it requires effort on both sides, visiting various psychologists, spending money and time, because the addicted player may not be able to cope with it alone. Also, family, children or parents can have a positive influence in recovery because there will be someone to do all this for, unlike when the player is alone.

In the end, everyone is afraid to speak and confess, but this first step can be the most important in returning to normal life as it was before the game, but not for everyone.

with those who are addicted to gambling, of course they don't like it if what they do is criticized by other people, what's more, those who are addicted do what they want and maybe that's what makes them happy, but instead of wanting to have fun, it actually gets them into trouble. just. Also, those who are addicted will feel that what they are doing is right, although occasionally they will realize that what they are doing is the wrong action, but they will not care about it because they just want to keep betting until they get the results they want, but losses cannot be avoided, especially lost so they take actions that they think are right but in fact it is detrimental to themselves.

Indeed, when they are addicted, it will not be easy for them to stop and recover as usual, even with the help of other people, even with the help of people who are experts in their fields, I don't think they will be able to get out easily because if they are addicted, they are already trapped in gambling. Apart from that, if they hide and gamble, it may be true that they are afraid to talk and confess to the people around them because maybe they have done something wrong and embarrassing, so it is possible that the response from other people will be negative, whether they scold them or advise them, but if that's the case, it's normal because Indeed, they themselves are the ones who caused this big problem to happen.
Sometimes I thought that if someone finds out that a certain player is playing from a close circle, then when persuaded to stop playing, the situation with addiction may have the opposite effect. This is a very fine line, you need to speak to the players in the right tone and give the players the keys to solve these problems. That’s why many people hide that they expect immediate hysterical persuasion to stop or worse methods. Also, when some close people find out, they expect negative conversations from people in this locality, because such rumors spread very quickly. I remember when I couldn’t stop playing, I didn’t want any of my relatives to find out, because it would cause them moral pain, especially the elderly.
57  Local / Трейдеры / Re: Биткойн-оптимизм. on: May 31, 2024, 12:37:12 PM
Тут же логика очень проста - люди рассуждают следующим образом, Bitcoin был создан в 2009 году, эфириум чуть позже. Обе эти монеты дали большие иксы. И стоят сейчас очень дорого. И конечно в них уже поздно входить.
А вот Solana это новый Ethereum, и я такой умный, что это понял! Поэтому я сейчас вложусь в фонд, и через какое-то время разбогатею!
Люди будут рассуждать приблизительно так, хотя конечно это логика никуда не годится.
Но тем, не менее я даже не исключаю дальнейший рост этой самой Solana, хотя Ethereum, и тем более Bitcoin она конечно не затмит.. Но заблуждения большого количества людей способны любой актив пропампить, вне зависимости от его фундаментальной ценности. В отличие от мемконов Solana вообще суперценный актив!
Некие подобные мысли у меня были давно про эфир? как толпа думает сейчас про солану, я думал что он лучше биткоина, но потом понял что это немного разные вещи со своими особенностями, но лучше иметь в загажнике и то и другое, не ошибемся. Солану я все-таки пропущу и не буду брать в портфель, не хочется брать на таких отметках, хотя если вспомнить то эфир и биток так же росли, и взяв их лет 5 назад по любой цены мы были бы в нехилом плюсе сейчас. Потому затрудняюсь ответить, но если что то возможности всегда будут новые, и даже если эта соль улетит к 1000 долларов я не расстроюсь.



Тем временем спотовый BTC-ETF от BlackRock стал самым быстрорастущим ETF в мире за всю историю, и если это не стакан полный оптимизма то что?)
58  Local / Oбcyждeниe Bitcoin / Re: Bitcoin vs Золото vs Фиат on: May 31, 2024, 12:21:45 PM


Пришла мысль кратко описать зачем нужны нам 3 компонента в отдельности: Биткоин - перекидывать в 2 щелчка цифру, дефляционный актив. Золото - если выключат интернет и все вернется по странике (Но такой вариант почти невозможен), Фиат - нельзя держать ни в коем случаи из-за обесценивания, только на случай непостредственной траты или перед ней.

Но у Биткоина есть минус (да как в принципе и у Золота) - непостоянство цены. Держа сейчас 1000 долларов в Биткоина можем ли мы быть уверены, что после завтра это будут не 300 долларов? (Давайте пока только про худший сценарий).
Год назад мы были на 30к. А год - это по сути и срок-то небольшой.
Люди, несущие Фиат в банки (под проценты) просто хотят быть уверены, что завтра у них будет больше Фиата.
То, что вот уже цены станут другими - это другая история.
На то это и активы, причем относительно рисковые (хотя если включить месячные свечи то не очень), и конечно же никто не может гарантировать что-либо, ведь спрос и предложение никто не отменял. Кстати, если конкретно по биткоину, ну вот превратятся 1000 баксов в 300, пока их не зафиксируют убытка не случится, кароче говоря тут уже зависит от слабости рук и эмоционально стабильности и долгосрочных целей, того кто непосредственно держит. Если бы он не зафиксировал убыток и смотрел бы в долгосрок, то потом умножил бы эти 1000 баксов в несколько раз.

Фиата в банках конечно станет больше, но богаче они не станут, становится даже таких людей немного жаль, ведь они слепы или просто финансово слабы, сегодня надо развивать себя и учится крипте, потому что DeFi и прочие штуки это будущее финансов.
59  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why do some people hide to gamble on: May 31, 2024, 12:08:40 PM
Among my family, of course, no one knows that I play gambling, except for my sister, who also understands a lot in this area and we have common topics, and we also support each other if we have losses. But for example, I definitely don’t want to tell my mother because she simply won’t understand this, she doesn’t have the experience that I have for many years, and of course she will form an incorrect assessment of me. I might have told her, but I’m just sure that it’s better not to do this so as not to cause her additional worries about me.
If your sister knows it, it means there is a person in your family who understands you gambling habit. It is no problem to let someone knowing your gambling, he can help you if you have a problem with your gambling habit someday. Sometimes, we aren't aware that we have a problem with our habit. If no one knows our habit in gambling, who will remind us if we do a mistake.

Sure, it is no need to tell your mother if it won't be good for you. However, you need to ensure to gamble in the right way. Don't do something stupid in gambling, you will be blamed if you do it someday! Just make it a motivation to keep gambling in a proper way because your mother can't monitor your activity. As long as you don't use her money to gamble, I think it is not wrong if you don't tell her.

Anyway, can I know how old are you? Do you still live with your big family?  Huh

In my opinion, gambling should be hidden from the people closest to you, especially the environment which cannot accept gambling activities well. but with those who hide it, maybe they will hide all their problems, sometimes it's necessary to talk about it, perhaps with their own friends or anyone who can accept it well and provide guidance when they know that gambling is an activity that is often done. because gambling can make someone forget self-control and here the importance of other people's advice is important. It's still good if you can realize yourself.

actually telling our parents about the gambling we are doing has negative and positive aspects, the negative is that our parents might scold us for doing activities that are harmful to ourselves, the positive is that they can give us advice to stop doing it or at least remind us not to do anything stupid. which endangers oneself such as risking all the money one has. The point is that not telling your parents is not a problem as long as we can remember the limits when gambling.
Of course, no one likes to be criticized for their shortcomings or inability to stop betting or playing games. It will seem to the player that he is doing everything right, but the losses will most likely continue. Parents can have a decisive role and take action to stop the player. This will not be an easy process, because it requires effort on both sides, visiting various psychologists, spending money and time, because the addicted player may not be able to cope with it alone. Also, family, children or parents can have a positive influence in recovery because there will be someone to do all this for, unlike when the player is alone.

In the end, everyone is afraid to speak and confess, but this first step can be the most important in returning to normal life as it was before the game, but not for everyone.
60  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: People keep asking me to borrow money, some of them for betting on: May 31, 2024, 11:58:25 AM
To be honest, I’ve been thinking lately about never lending money to anyone, only to my closest friends against a receipt and only in situations for his or his mother’s treatment, or something similar. I would like my best friends to help me in such situations, too, if suddenly trouble comes knocking on my house.
It's no problem to help a friend with his life's needs or help his parents who are sick, that's no problem, but as a friend we also have to be able to ensure that all the money is used for the right things, but if it's used for gambling it's the same as us supporting the gambling carried out by our friends and also allowing him to continue to decline with his gambling addiction, usually people who have the courage to borrow money to gamble are gambling addicts, because only gambling addicts will never get tired of continuing to gamble without a break. lol

I also can't possibly refuse to give help to my friend if the money is used for the right thing, for example if he borrows money for his family's needs, we can buy him directly what he needs, not in the form of money, for example to help his parents who are sick too. We can also see him or visit him in the hospital, if our friend doesn't have the money, we can help pay for the hospital, that's no problem, but here we are all probably discussing people who borrow money to gamble, so we as friends or relatives shouldn't lend it
Honestly, I don’t know how to track this, because a friend can do whatever he wants with this money. Of course, if we do not make this purchase for him and do not receive an official document with obligations on his part to repay the debt in full. Probably after this he will not want to do this, because the trick may not work, because he really needed the money.

It’s just that those who lent us money for the game will not return the money to us at any moment, I’m just sure of that. Because it is clear that in the end the house always wins, which means that this acquaintance will ultimately lose and, of course, he will not have the means to pay off his debts. My advice is that it is better to make an effort to stop doing this, because it will cause a quarrel, I am sure of it. And it’s better to be the one who refuses money than the one who is left without money and without a friend.

To be honest, I’ve been thinking lately about never lending money to anyone, only to my closest friends against a receipt and only in situations for his or his mother’s treatment, or something similar. I would like my best friends to help me in such situations, too, if suddenly trouble comes knocking on my house.
That's why we don't have to lends money to those who only wants to uses the money to playing gambling, especially they don't have a big chance to wins and only lose that money. If they lose that money, they must gives back the money to us no matter what's their reason and that can makes us in trouble, especially if they can't pay back the money. That happens to many people who lend their money to other people and that can makes their relationships will disturb and it's difficult to fix. Borrows money from other people to playing gambling just makes them in a difficult situation as they can't gives the money back if they don't have money from their jobs.

If our friends wants to borrow our money to fills their needs or they have an urgent things that needs money, we can give that money and don't thinks about when they can repay that money. That will be a different situation because they really needs that money while they don't knows where they can gets the money.
Of course, this will be a difficult situation to correct, I agree with you here. Because for a player who is always in search of money, he poses a problem for the people around him. He has only one idea in his mind - to make a bet to win back, but we have mentioned many times that this idea will only lead to worse results. And even if you imagine that he is lucky and still wins money to give back, this does not guarantee that he will give it back, because the next day he will decide to place a bet again, just to win, this process can continue endlessly, unfortunately.
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