Nope he abandoned crypt too left a lot of unhappy bagholders. He got involved with Pr0methius P&D team for crypt but everything got dumped and nothing ever happened with his anon technology. Lots of people have it out for him now bc of his involvement with the P&D team. Even though it is not his coin but it was his reputation that will be hurt from it for getting involved and leaving bagholders stranded. Lots of them too! Nice new account you have noob. |
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mindfox disappeared - this coin is dying now
That is like saying time to sell the car because it's out of gas. Your comment was well thought out, thanks. |
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In the near futur we will not get any new Updates or features. So is anyone intressted to start a hype on whitecoin, with the actually funktions? I mean something like this http://smallbusiness.chron.com/build-hype-25968.htmlIn the Moment there are only 20 mio coins at mintpal and the most of them are under 300sat (~10 mio coins). So it is a good opportunity to start a hype. What do you thing? Not sure what you are asking. Can you speak English? |
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Lifetime registration sounds like something prestigious as well (Member Since) with annual dues. Also, as long as the coin is never connected with the actual membership (a point that I did not fully consider) I don't think there is a real issue. I still think some folks might shy away from providing personal information, especially to foreign entities. Wish I had more technical insight to know how you could pull this off, but somehow there needs to be a validation system connected to the coin that legitimizes your status, yet disconnected from the foundation. I am still thinking along the lines of having a open-source methods that is not too far off from signing certificates SSL's, etc.
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Oh look still no new wallet... you guys sure love blowing smoke up peoples rear  Did you have functionality you wanted to have implemented in the wallet that has not already been discussed? |
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I like the idea of a membership for voting as it does raise coin and is a little more honest, however we may still have questions raised about how you would prevent hundreds of bogus membership registrations (votes). Again, we are back to buying votes, no?
I'm all for Official Membership, its a great way to raise founds, also using it as an official voting tool can be done properly without the fear of fake account. It has to be manage by the Foundation, you become a member of the foundation by registering with a valid ID. Now, before people bitch about anonymity, remember this has nothing to do with wallets, address, transaction, spending of any kind or how much you have... and since the WCF will be an official non-profit recognized by the Government of Canada, it is protected under the law and privacy will be respected. This would be a solely voting membership, no different of your Costco membership or political affiliation. This way we get an honest community, engage and able to vote, transparent and totally legit. If you want to vote, you have to be a registered member. Does this make sense? What would constitute a valid ID? Blockbuster membership card  That would be up for debate...my idea is far from perfect but it's a start, let's throw more ideas in the pot  Nope you are correct, this is a difficult issue. Something to consider would be the use of a Thrid-party verification system (e.g. Precise ID) thus validating the ID, yet not providing sensitive information to the foundation or its entities (for those folks that are earnest, yet recluse but n0t shady). Not sure how this type of an arrangement could be global in nature and integrated into the wallet, but mamma always said if you can think it, you can do it. I am not an expert in Third-Party Verification systems, but a simple trip to the internet spills lots of options. Or, maybe signed certificates from Verisign of the like? |
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I like the idea of a membership for voting as it does raise coin and is a little more honest, however we may still have questions raised about how you would prevent hundreds of bogus membership registrations (votes). Again, we are back to buying votes, no?
I'm all for Official Membership, its a great way to raise founds, also using it as an official voting tool can be done properly without the fear of fake account. It has to be manage by the Foundation, you become a member of the foundation by registering with a valid ID. Now, before people bitch about anonymity, remember this has nothing to do with wallets, address, transaction, spending of any kind or how much you have... and since the WCF will be an official non-profit recognized by the Government of Canada, it is protected under the law and privacy will be respected. This would be a solely voting membership, no different of your Costco membership or political affiliation. This way we get an honest community, engage and able to vote, transparent and totally legit. If you want to vote, you have to be a registered member. Does this make sense? What would constitute a valid ID? |
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I like the idea of a membership for voting as it does raise coin and is a little more honest, however we may still have questions raised about how you would prevent hundreds of bogus membership registrations (votes). Again, we are back to buying votes, no?
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Could we please consider adding wallet trading or at a minimum placing exchange data into the wallet. This would be lower on the list if it make it and also we need to put mobile wallet. Might need two list as you started before. Phase I and Phase II.
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I think we need a poll to see what community thinks about it.
Unfortunately, you can circumvent the IP duplicate protect via TOR or any private internet. We need a coin you can vote with, any out there? here you have one http://strawpoll.me/That would be point #5 - Voting from wallet Edit, here is the list again: 1. Anon - Mindfox said it can be implemented from other work when its tested and working 2. Privacy - Implementation of TOR 3. Review Smart Contract - What would it take, what does a framework look like 4. Reduce Confirmation Times - This could be reviewed now and determined what is required to make this happen 5. Built in Voting App: propose new features, vote from wallet Very nice. Voting will need to use the Privacy Feature and hopefully not the ANON feature...might need a Validation Feature before both however. Not sure what type of system would allow that kind of validation, maybe smart contracts... |
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I think we need a poll to see what community thinks about it.
Unfortunately, you can circumvent the IP duplicate protect via TOR or any private internet. We need a coin you can vote with, any out there? here you have one http://strawpoll.me/ |
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Create a superblock 30 million can lead to suspicion and put us under the microscope of potential scams (something that we are now completely safe).
According jarnold, the WCF will present shortly a quote of what it will cost all the improvements we want to do and when we discuss the budget and how to afford the payments.
I am the first (and as I've said above) thinks we should endow the WCF so you can face all the challenges we face, but if we do it may well be worse than the disease.
I do not know why they think it is the big players are not going to engage, when they are most interested in this work.
However, in this we have to engage ALL, large, medium and small.
Greetings.
tell me how 30 million WC held by escrows released only for community approved projects can be a scam? Well, okay let's try the donation route, let's see how many WC we can raise in donations. A superblock is essentially an exactly 10% donation by everyone where each donator is rewarded exactly according to their donation. In other words the most fair form of donation possible. They donate through dilution of their share. I did not say a superblock has to be a scam, I said can be interpreted as such. Those who are already part of the community believe in the WCF, but for WC triumph, the community and investors should not grow exponentially and new investors to think very seriously a coin today and tomorrow 300,000,000 10% more, that leads to think that you can be the next 500,000,000. People need to know what you invest without changes or surprises. Extrapolate this to BTC, you think the thousands of investors think if you tell them now instead of 21,000,000 23,100,000 BTCs now will, I assure you it would be a debacle. The problem with this community is that the mouth is filled want to do things, but when releasing the pasta, it costs too much. I am willing to make a few hundred thousand of WCs, to see how many are willing to do the same (each to their possibilities of course), that SI would be a message that this community is willing to do anything to improve, others are shoddy . Couple 100k+ WC available here for development bounties Should be pretty easy to get enough WC for bounties, just need to agree on the items we want: 1. Anon - Mindfox said it can be implemented from other work when its tested and working 2. Privacy - Implementation of TOR 3. Review Smart Contract - What would it take, what does a framework look like 4. Reduce Confirmation Times - This could be reviewed now and determined what is required to make this happen (anything missing?) -- Edit Add: 5. Built in Voting App: propose new features, vote from wallet -------- draw a line, anything above included in initial pledge/donation drive, add your items/comments or hold them until then next time -------- I could commit a couple k's to the project as long as the price remains under 100s (j/k). I have no problem with donations for bounty as long as they are tied to a SOW which includes a timeline and deliverable(s). What are the penalties and incentives for failure to meet objective or meeting objective with superior results and ahead of schedule? Need some type of operating guidelines to ensure community trust. Whatever is chosen should have a pilot to ensure process and accountability (mechanics). One other thought, and although Mindfox is the current DEV who can do a lot of these things, I think we need a few DEV's and selection based on portfolio(s). I'm not sure about any of the technicals surrounding the advancement of the code, but I have to trust there are more than a few chewers's coding considering the vast amount of shit coins out there? ..and not to quote my own quote (although a harmless practice) +1 to everything that does not involve another coin, enhances the coin usefulness, grow market cap and user base. |
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Create a superblock 30 million can lead to suspicion and put us under the microscope of potential scams (something that we are now completely safe).
According jarnold, the WCF will present shortly a quote of what it will cost all the improvements we want to do and when we discuss the budget and how to afford the payments.
I am the first (and as I've said above) thinks we should endow the WCF so you can face all the challenges we face, but if we do it may well be worse than the disease.
I do not know why they think it is the big players are not going to engage, when they are most interested in this work.
However, in this we have to engage ALL, large, medium and small.
Greetings.
tell me how 30 million WC held by escrows released only for community approved projects can be a scam? Well, okay let's try the donation route, let's see how many WC we can raise in donations. A superblock is essentially an exactly 10% donation by everyone where each donator is rewarded exactly according to their donation. In other words the most fair form of donation possible. They donate through dilution of their share. I did not say a superblock has to be a scam, I said can be interpreted as such. Those who are already part of the community believe in the WCF, but for WC triumph, the community and investors should not grow exponentially and new investors to think very seriously a coin today and tomorrow 300,000,000 10% more, that leads to think that you can be the next 500,000,000. People need to know what you invest without changes or surprises. Extrapolate this to BTC, you think the thousands of investors think if you tell them now instead of 21,000,000 23,100,000 BTCs now will, I assure you it would be a debacle. The problem with this community is that the mouth is filled want to do things, but when releasing the pasta, it costs too much. I am willing to make a few hundred thousand of WCs, to see how many are willing to do the same (each to their possibilities of course), that SI would be a message that this community is willing to do anything to improve, others are shoddy . Couple 100k+ WC available here for development bounties Should be pretty easy to get enough WC for bounties, just need to agree on the items we want: 1. Anon - Mindfox said it can be implemented from other work when its tested and working 2. Privacy - Implementation of TOR 3. Review Smart Contract - What would it take, what does a framework look like 4. Reduce Confirmation Times - This could be reviewed now and determined what is required to make this happen (anything missing?) -- Edit Add: 5. Built in Voting App: propose new features, vote from wallet -------- draw a line, anything above included in initial pledge/donation drive, add your items/comments or hold them until then next time -------- I could commit a couple k's to the project as long as the price remains under 100s (j/k). I have no problem with donations for bounty as long as they are tied to a SOW which includes a timeline and deliverable(s). What are the penalties and incentives for failure to meet objective or meeting objective with superior results and ahead of schedule? Need some type of operating guidelines to ensure community trust. Whatever is chosen should have a pilot to ensure process and accountability (mechanics). One other thought, and although Mindfox is the current DEV who can do a lot of these things, I think we need a few DEV's and selection based on portfolio(s). I'm not sure about any of the technicals surrounding the advancement of the code, but I have to trust there are more than a few chewers's coding considering the vast amount of shit coins out there? |
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why so many people creating new coins? What are the benefits?  New coins allow new opportunity to present a perceived fresh new innovative technology for using alternative crypto as a currency or back-end merchant settlement delivery system. Having said that, my previous statement is how it's suppose to work, however, most of the additional coin is pump and dump and is here today and gone tomorrow. In this new realm, only alt with community and a equal distribution of coin will last because like anything else, you are only as strong as your weakest link. It's going to take one healthy purchase, and this coin will never be the same. Wright that down. |
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Create a superblock 30 million can lead to suspicion and put us under the microscope of potential scams (something that we are now completely safe).
According jarnold, the WCF will present shortly a quote of what it will cost all the improvements we want to do and when we discuss the budget and how to afford the payments.
I am the first (and as I've said above) thinks we should endow the WCF so you can face all the challenges we face, but if we do it may well be worse than the disease.
I do not know why they think it is the big players are not going to engage, when they are most interested in this work.
However, in this we have to engage ALL, large, medium and small.
Greetings.
Maybe there is a compromise between the two proposals. |
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If we are not going companion coin let's just get the super block done.
30M superblock held by escrows and released to new development team over time for work completed.
No point waiting for donations, this is wasting time we could be getting stuff done.
Donations don't raise shit.
10% dilution for everyone with proportional returns or losses to everyone.
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Hi,
Another notice on wc page of bittrex.
This market is in danger of de-listing due to low trade volume and lack of user interest. It may be removed on Aug 1st unless the average trade volume for the last 7 days exceeds 0.1 BTC
Guess not many people trade WC on bittrex?
I have watched that exchange for several days and it has been parked on the bid and asks. Another exchange, AtomicTrade has almost no buys and all sells, yet shows a lot of volume. This one has me wondering. I think as long as we stick to core exchanges, the rest really don't matter. Hate to say it, but BTC-e would be the exchange to park this coin. Almost impossible however. |
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whitesnake is a perfect name  All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Banger Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position. Hey, I do believe you're well intentioned WhiteNotWright, but sometimes you have a tendency to over exagerate. For example, while I do agree the wallet is way too late on delivery, WhiteCoin hasn't even existed for several months, we've been around about three now. The last wallet update was in May, and I think mindfox didn't want to just do an update with the logo on it, he wants to do more. A noble goal that has also presented us with some short term problems. I also think that's not fair or true about new investors, just look at what our Vice President has accomplished in that regard. Considering you've also openly admitted to trying to keep the price at 100 sat or below in the past (so your group can accumulate cheap), I also think that's not fair. We have made substantial technical improvements to whitecoin since the foundation took over. Some coins go much longer between wallet updates (look at potcoin, still successful despite low technical improvements). That said, the reality is we do need these issues raised, they are important, and the purpose of the foundation is to keep us all accountable to eachother and the wider industry. You are 100% correct that the wallet should be out by now, and it's not, and that's an important issue to raise. But sometimes WNW you have a tendency to raise the alarm bells in a way that seems as though you're trying to convince people to leave our community, and I think that's where people (incorrectly) throw the FUD finger at you. I'd encourage both you, and your detractors to give that some thought. We need alarms raised when there are problems. But we also need to all be working together to solve them. WhiteNotWright, would you commit to assisting and joining us on the operations side, even just as an advisor? Or perhaps be willing to (like many others), pony up a bit so we can get Mindfox the help he needs? Best, Chris Fair enough and sorry for your unfortunate events. I will evaluate my approach and try to be a little more smooth in my stated concerns. Not sure I ever manipulated the price at 100, but often that is done as a part of normal traded which I do from time to time, when I see there are folks wanting to buy coin. I am getting ready to make another healthy purchase because I have faith in the coin and the community and new members are starting to show signs of progress. Maybe it's my fault for not getting that big "bump" in here that is needed, but to do that takes a lot of skin and not sure folks are ready to go balls deep without some type of timeline and deliverable. Also, someone mentioned how much is it going to take to get a DEV working on the coin full time with an attitude because they would have funds to do the work and a potential return on investment of the coin. I think if this accounting and work was all transparent, you would have no issue with funding. I appreciate that man, I'm going to do the same. I know I've been too harsh with you at times and for that I apologize. I may have also misread some of your posts about the price. That is a really fair comment about having the skin to make that bump, it's something I've never felt comfortable asking our investors to do. You're absolutely right about the accounting work. Previously I've said I think we should use all of the 90 day grace period provided by the government to operate before filing our finalized paperwork, but to facilitate more accountability I've been recently thinking we should speed and finalize that process. Combined with finally instituting the general assembly (I intend to work very hard to see that happen in August), I believe we'll have the framework in place to provide the necessary trust platform for substantial investment into the foundation and thus whitecoin. Most important for our current conversation, when we're in a voting assembly people won't be able to cry FUD against valid concerns. Anyone in attendance will be demonstrating they've put their money where there mouth is (so to speak). I've come home from this trip with a renewed determination to see these projects completed so we can move into the next phases. I need to step offline for a bit but I'll reach out to you by tomorrow. All the best, Chris +1 |
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whitesnake is a perfect name All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Banger Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position. Hey, I do believe you're well intentioned WhiteNotWright, but sometimes you have a tendency to over exagerate. For example, while I do agree the wallet is way too late on delivery, WhiteCoin hasn't even existed for several months, we've been around about three now. The last wallet update was in May, and I think mindfox didn't want to just do an update with the logo on it, he wants to do more. A noble goal that has also presented us with some short term problems. I also think that's not fair or true about new investors, just look at what our Vice President has accomplished in that regard. Considering you've also openly admitted to trying to keep the price at 100 sat or below in the past (so your group can accumulate cheap), I also think that's not fair. We have made substantial technical improvements to whitecoin since the foundation took over. Some coins go much longer between wallet updates (look at potcoin, still successful despite low technical improvements). That said, the reality is we do need these issues raised, they are important, and the purpose of the foundation is to keep us all accountable to eachother and the wider industry. You are 100% correct that the wallet should be out by now, and it's not, and that's an important issue to raise. But sometimes WNW you have a tendency to raise the alarm bells in a way that seems as though you're trying to convince people to leave our community, and I think that's where people (incorrectly) throw the FUD finger at you. I'd encourage both you, and your detractors to give that some thought. We need alarms raised when there are problems. But we also need to all be working together to solve them. WhiteNotWright, would you commit to assisting and joining us on the operations side, even just as an advisor? Or perhaps be willing to (like many others), pony up a bit so we can get Mindfox the help he needs? Best, Chris Fair enough and sorry for your unfortunate events. I will evaluate my approach and try to be a little more smooth in my stated concerns. Not sure I ever manipulated the price at 100, but often that is done as a part of normal traded which I do from time to time, when I see there are folks wanting to buy coin. I am getting ready to make another healthy purchase because I have faith in the coin and the community and new members are starting to show signs of progress. Maybe it's my fault for not getting that big "bump" in here that is needed, but to do that takes a lot of skin and not sure folks are ready to go balls deep without some type of timeline and deliverable. Also, someone mentioned how much is it going to take to get a DEV working on the coin full time with an attitude because they would have funds to do the work and a potential return on investment of the coin. I think if this accounting and work was all transparent, you would have no issue with funding. |
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whitesnake is a perfect name All fudsters are together today !? I ask my self for the reason ... are you fuding for fear of something? Maybe some news, maybe the new wallet release, maybe rising prices with the fudsters on the sideline? I dont know, but maybe we know it soon Banger Dude, we are not spreading fear, uncertainty or doubt. What we are saying is a new wallet has been promised for about several months, and just the other day it sounded like it was going to be another several months with all the cool ideas floating around. Fact is, the wallet has not come out, there have been no solid technical improvements, and the price is no different because you folks are not getting new investors based on the reasons we have stated. I really don't know why you think we are trying to do anything other than expose the truth as a community. But continue to blabber on about how bad we are as it only solidifies our position. |
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