A little intellectual honesty goes a long way. Try it.
Take the blinders off, Bitcoin's face and hero is a scammer and fraudster. It's clear from the State's Attorney that the only reason they went Civil instead of Criminal for this is because they wanted to recover some funds for the victims. Ummm that makes no sense. They can recover funds either way. He might be a scammer and a fraudster. You people are trying to make him a criminal despite the fact there is zero evidence for that accusation. I could less about Bruce you people are being intellectual dishonest and just let anything spew from your mouths. Exaggeration and hyperbole is hurting your cause. So a scammer and a fraudster, and a civil judgement isn't "criminal" behavior just because, in your opinion, it wasn't tried in criminal court? You are playing semantics here worse than the most ridiculous hyperbole I've seen. Read the case. It's pretty damn clear what kind of person Bruce is. Also, look at this actual CRIMINAL history (non-civil) in Ohio & New York. That's pretty entertaining as well, since it's pretty much the same stuff from the mortgage fraud case (with the bonus of assault and prostitution). |
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A little intellectual honesty goes a long way. Try it.
Take the blinders off, Bitcoin's face and hero is a scammer and fraudster. It's clear from the State's Attorney that the only reason they went Civil instead of Criminal for this is because they wanted to recover some funds for the victims. |
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Keep on shining that heaping pile of dog shit that is "Mr. Bitcoin". One day it will shine! |
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id say outing a scammer is a pretty valuable service.....particularly if that scammer is the de facto face of bitcoin.
if you actually believe that the fbi is trying to take down bitcoin, you need to have your head examined.
So "outing" a "scammer" means calling him a faggot and pedophile and character assassination by admitted SA goons? you need to have your head checked if you think this is right. Why focus on just that point of it? That whole deal is long swept under the rug and forgotten because of the FRAUD proof that has been offered up. It was wrong to go down that road with the pedophilia, but I get where they were coming from. But this SCAM/FRAUD stuff is solid and something we need to know about and act upon. |
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You are precious. Do you wear pillows around yourself when you go outside too? |
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So he can afford to jet-set around the world, host conferences, rent very expensive apartments in NY, pay his staff and buy a shit load of new equipment ( which is rarely used) but as of last count he owes over a cool million to his victims and the state(s) as a result of his massive fraud schemes? This will end well. I'm sure there are plenty of agencies angling to get their hands on all of those ill-gotten gains. Just hope there's enough left to actually compensate the real victims of his scams. |
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I just want to point out the glaring stupidity of what you are doing by attacking bitcoin.
They're not attacking Bitcoin. They may be attacking you (I haven't been keeping up), but speak for yourself. They have dug up enough crap on Bruce that his time as any kind of spokesperson for Bitcoin is obviously over. For that, I think we should be grateful. Thank god these things were revealed now rather than in a year or so when Bitcoin is hopefully a much bigger thing. Yes in that way its probably a good thing. I doubt anyone will want to be a public face of bitcoin if they are worried someone might do something to their family for speaking up. Satoshi did a wise thing by disappearing. I honestly don't think that this will be the case. In fact, Bruce was held in high esteem by the people at SA until all of the really sketchy shit started happening. Shows never starting on time or at all, over-hyping everything, the MBC debacle, and the big announcement coming out of NY Bitcon was that they were going to spend their time travelling to vacation destinations under the banner of Bitcoin, places with no real draw for actual business or decision makers at best or havens for child sex tourism at worst. There was just too much sketchy stuff that Bruce was shilling and lets face it, beyond the first couple weeks of The BitCoinShow, there really wasn't a show to be seen - it was rehashed shit read by a man who plays on his laptop during shows. So unless a person is going to do this kind of stuff or worse, I don't think they've got anything to worry about from anyone, SA or otherwise. Just get the fraudsters out of the mix and I think Bitcoin will thrive. |
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Did you pay the fines that were levied in the civil court? And did you attempt to pay back the desperate people who lost money?
Or did you move to a different state while defaulting on your rent?
These are great questions - and remember, it's very easy to get the State of Illinois to disclose the current status of the judgement as well as the status of disbursements to the victims. It's also worthy to note that the court documents point out that you could never actually identify anyone who you actually helped with your "services". Or did SA plant that in an official court document from a couple years back as well? |
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you're retarded - you think making up Bullshit on people is some sort of "right" ? - what service have the brought to the community? show us here what is it ? SA totally damages things ...your whole fucking mission is to make up shit and troll people and you sit here and say you bring "value" to this forum ?
Ha ha ha, you think any of this stuff is 'made up'. If we were making this stuff up then we would have lost interest months ago. The only reason any of this is still interesting is because there's always some new crazy shit popping up. One week we get to see vegetttta(flippro) lose it and call someone giving him good advice a whore. Another week we get to watch the bitcoin better business bureau fall apart under the weight of past shady dealings. And this week we find page after page after page of incriminating evidence pointing to Bruce being a serial fraudster. It seriously never ends. And people like you never actually confront any of the evidence we post. You just call out 'troll' and plug your ears. The funny part is that we have provided more value than 90% of the posters here just by identifying REALLY OBVIOUS scammers, and we don't even care about the future of bitcoins. What have you done besides call people names and cry about us? Also, learn to use proper capitalization and grammar. Bitch ....rinse and repeat troll. SA clearly does the following: 1.) accuse people on forums without any context to anything ( mix and match pieces of suppose "evidence" and provides a "guilty" verdict as if they are an internet court ) 2.) get blow back from the forum members from that forum for the shit the provide. 3.) gather everyone back at SA with screenshots and say "look what they did" and get sympathy for their troll cause. 4.) Forum gets flooded with moronic postings about the same shit in point 1. 5.) Attack other forum members and claim they are doing good. repeat over again ...Trolls like you have no credibility and bring nothing to table Bitch Again, you dismiss at hand any of the actual evidence that this entire thing is based upon. It just sounds like you are either fluffing for your "boy" or just retarded. no the difference is I'm not a troll - I don't pretend to be some "internet court" where I can just go around convicting someone and accusing someone. I never said the evidence might not be true but I don't go around spousing it is - SA isn't simply presenting the evidence they are convicting which borders on or is defemation/libel . Considering most of what they've found comes straight from the horses mouth or from court records (where rulings or convictions have been made), they don't have to do the convicting - just present it and let it speak for itself. Obviously, you've blocked out the parts where they are calling him a "pedophile and rapist" .... convenient? I think not. Check my posting history - I've never advocated the whole pedophile thing, it's all just based on theory and conjecture. There is a problem with Bruce going crazy over Pattaya and involving Bitcoin, not letting the community know that he had other interests instead of Bitcoin at heart when he started this whole Pattaya thing. So SA was out of line with that, even though it looks very, very strange. Now there's the fraud and other assorted stuff, which in my opinion is much more damning because it's inescapable. |
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you're retarded - you think making up Bullshit on people is some sort of "right" ? - what service have the brought to the community? show us here what is it ? SA totally damages things ...your whole fucking mission is to make up shit and troll people and you sit here and say you bring "value" to this forum ?
Ha ha ha, you think any of this stuff is 'made up'. If we were making this stuff up then we would have lost interest months ago. The only reason any of this is still interesting is because there's always some new crazy shit popping up. One week we get to see vegetttta(flippro) lose it and call someone giving him good advice a whore. Another week we get to watch the bitcoin better business bureau fall apart under the weight of past shady dealings. And this week we find page after page after page of incriminating evidence pointing to Bruce being a serial fraudster. It seriously never ends. And people like you never actually confront any of the evidence we post. You just call out 'troll' and plug your ears. The funny part is that we have provided more value than 90% of the posters here just by identifying REALLY OBVIOUS scammers, and we don't even care about the future of bitcoins. What have you done besides call people names and cry about us? Also, learn to use proper capitalization and grammar. Bitch ....rinse and repeat troll. SA clearly does the following: 1.) accuse people on forums without any context to anything ( mix and match pieces of suppose "evidence" and provides a "guilty" verdict as if they are an internet court ) 2.) get blow back from the forum members from that forum for the shit the provide. 3.) gather everyone back at SA with screenshots and say "look what they did" and get sympathy for their troll cause. 4.) Forum gets flooded with moronic postings about the same shit in point 1. 5.) Attack other forum members and claim they are doing good. repeat over again ...Trolls like you have no credibility and bring nothing to table Bitch Again, you dismiss at hand any of the actual evidence that this entire thing is based upon. It just sounds like you are either fluffing for your "boy" or just retarded. no the difference is I'm not a troll - I don't pretend to be some "internet court" where I can just go around convicting someone and accusing someone. I never said the evidence might not be true but I don't go around spousing it is - SA isn't simply presenting the evidence they are convicting which borders on or is defemation/libel . Considering most of what they've found comes straight from the horses mouth or from court records (where rulings or convictions have been made), they don't have to do the convicting - just present it and let it speak for itself. |
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you're retarded - you think making up Bullshit on people is some sort of "right" ? - what service have the brought to the community? show us here what is it ? SA totally damages things ...your whole fucking mission is to make up shit and troll people and you sit here and say you bring "value" to this forum ?
Ha ha ha, you think any of this stuff is 'made up'. If we were making this stuff up then we would have lost interest months ago. The only reason any of this is still interesting is because there's always some new crazy shit popping up. One week we get to see vegetttta(flippro) lose it and call someone giving him good advice a whore. Another week we get to watch the bitcoin better business bureau fall apart under the weight of past shady dealings. And this week we find page after page after page of incriminating evidence pointing to Bruce being a serial fraudster. It seriously never ends. And people like you never actually confront any of the evidence we post. You just call out 'troll' and plug your ears. The funny part is that we have provided more value than 90% of the posters here just by identifying REALLY OBVIOUS scammers, and we don't even care about the future of bitcoins. What have you done besides call people names and cry about us? Also, learn to use proper capitalization and grammar. Bitch ....rinse and repeat troll. SA clearly does the following: 1.) accuse people on forums without any context to anything ( mix and match pieces of suppose "evidence" and provides a "guilty" verdict as if they are an internet court ) 2.) get blow back from the forum members from that forum for the shit the provide. 3.) gather everyone back at SA with screenshots and say "look what they did" and get sympathy for their troll cause. 4.) Forum gets flooded with moronic postings about the same shit in point 1. 5.) Attack other forum members and claim they are doing good. repeat over again ...Trolls like you have no credibility and bring nothing to table Bitch Again, you dismiss at hand any of the actual evidence that this entire thing is based upon. It just sounds like you are either fluffing for your "boy" or just retarded. |
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The Bitcoin stack exchange site has just begun the private beta stage. http://bitcoin.stackexchange.comLooks like it's only open to the original committers currently but will be open as a public beta from Tuesday, September 6. I think it could be a good alternative to this forum and only host Bitcoin related topics without the other nonsense. Yes, that's the idea. Let's just plug our ears and whistle "Dixie" while our entire currency is taken over by scammers, con-artists, and worse. That's the best plan, just pretend it's not even an issue and it'll go away!  |
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This is very interesting. Is there anyone here that contacted the FBI about MyBitCoin? I never used MyBitCoin in the first place, but watched the entire drama unfold. It just never felt right, but then again I'm an overcautious person.
I filed a report with the FBI. It was only 70 bitcoins, but I figure the more people who file, the better the chance there is they will do something - still unlikely Did they indicate to you that you were the only person that reported this? Were you assigned a special agent to check on the disposition of the case? I'm not interrogating you or anything, but this is important information. If only one complaint was filed, there's probably not much that will be followed up upon. But if there were several, there may be a case being put together and that is important to know if anything's going to be moving on this. |
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This is very interesting. Is there anyone here that contacted the FBI about MyBitCoin? I never used MyBitCoin in the first place, but watched the entire drama unfold. It just never felt right, but then again I'm an overcautious person.
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A better question would be 'Were you Bold Funding', those documents make it look like he was shut down
That's what I meant, of course. All we need is for Bruce to Confirm or Deny this. This IS a Big Deal, I agree with JeffK. There is no way we can have a notorious scammer at the healm of bitcoin as the spokesperson Bruce has been, if this is true. Not if Bitcoin is going to survive! I agree. I've got a big enough position in BTC at this point that it is in my personal interest in seeing it eventually succeed...in addition to considering the system to be potentially very valuable to 'humanity.' So, if a fraction of the stuff that SA and friends have dug up is true, I will be officially thankful to this group (who I had never heard of before) whatever their motives. I cannot help but notice that some investigative work nipped the 'Bitcoin Better Business Bureau headed by an utter clown' thing in the bud. And against considerable resistance. I, for one, am willing to put up with a good bit of nonsense and unpleasantness if it means catching some problems early. If the 'problems' turn out to be false-positives there will be unnecessary damage but it should not be terminal. It does seem to me that the whole Bitcoin thing is such a hot potato at this point that anyone thinking about setting up shop had better be prepared for the worst. If they cannot stand the heat, they best stay out of the kitchen. The heat has already proven valuable as I see it. --- Come to think of it, everybody should ask themselves 'why am I' and 'why are they' so interested in something like Bitcoin at such an early point in it's life? There are a lot of possible reasons, and a lot of them might have a less than wholesome smell. It might be expected that there would be an extra-ordinary amount of scammyness here for that reason. It's a reality that just needs to be dealt with in whatever ways are effective (as always, IMHO.) This sums up exactly how I'm feeling about Bitcoin and all of the stuff that's come to light. I signed up around the time the Better Business Bureau (Bitcoin Division) came to light and found the Something Awful guys extremely well informed. They may not like Bitcoins, and I can understand that, but they've certainly helped this community in their own weird way. Bitcoin to me may not be the ultimate solution to our currency problems, but I think it's an important pioneer in the field, so some of their points may ultimately be proven correct, which is a good thing so we can learn from it. As for this Bruce deal, I can't believe it got moved to off topic since it is very important news. Oh well, the beat marches on and at least it wasn't completely shut down. |
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I wish people would stop making threads about Bruce.
I wish you'd realize that, as the man basically declared himself the Bitcoin Jesus and got the support of everyone here, this is a Big Deal And posting threads about Bruce and his escapades helps bitcoin how? The same people making these posts will be the sames creating "why is bitcoin losing value" threads when the media tags bitcoin to "pedophiles". Lots of haters browse these forums looking for any reason to attack it. I see bitcoin bashing threads every day on other forums, because people read this forum. Oh well. I think all of the threads need to be consolidated into one, but it is a very valid topic right now given his status as the face behind Bitcoin and the media goes to him first for information/interviews/etc. I wasn't a fan of the pedo accusations, but I think there was a lot of valid discussion about what brought Pattaya to the forefront and his reasoning for standing behind it as a Bitcoin conference site. Now these fraud discoveries are even bigger, in my eyes, because it goes to the very heart of what we are trying to build here - and that's trust in Bitcoin. |
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I was a bystander most of the time, but I must say these things really look bad. It's not bullet proof hard evidence, but it's good enough for me. Sorry Bruce.
If it turns out this is the same guy, I wouldn't feel sorry for him but for his victims that trusted him with money that he never intended to use to help them out of a bad spot with their homes. |
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You have to admit where does the line stop with "bs" and the truth - as you say and what kind of credibility can a forum like that have when you start blasting someone with really bad accusations with basically no evidence or the person can't even defend themselves? And your ok with associating with people who do this and do this on another forum around a great technology as bitcoin? and who does this for fun?
If "mobilizing" is against the rules if I were to ask let me see a raise of hands how many people on this thread are from SA I bet a good portion would be from there and this isn't "breaking the rules"?
I don't know about the rest of you but there is no creditably from ANYONE from SA member and who is also a member of this forum to go around accusing others for the "fun of it". Just my humble opinion.
Are you suggesting that we're going back in time and creating articles 5 years ago to discredit someone? Whether or not any one of us is trustworthy is kind of besides the point. The information is available for anyone willing to look for it. Also, Bruce has an account here and is CEO of a worldwide television network. That's pretty much the definition of 'public figure' and he has multiple avenues to defend himself. Not suggesting that at all. But then you are suggesting you ( SA ) has never been wrong either. I don't have a beef with SA I just want more transparency so the other forum members who don't know who SA is can know who is associated with whom so they can make a well thought out opinion . I'm not taking a side either - who knows maybe Bruce has done what you all are accusing him of doing but it doesn't do you all any good to hide behind any "motives" either. He does have many venue's but up against hundreds of SA members there is no way he'll be able to get his facts our to the story against a "machine" like this. Thanks for a civil discussion btw.  I'm not so sure. I think he can get his side out, which he still has not done so with regards to the Pattaya controversy (NOT the pedo stuff, just the destination and conflict of interest). I think this new revelation about mortgage fraud is really interesting and it needs to be discussed amongst the community if this is someone that we want being the face of Bitcoin (which to this point, he has been). As I said before, the media will love mentioning that the face behind bitcoin is a convicted fraudster (if it is the same Bruce, which at this point looks likely) and that's not something we need. I'm not from SA, but I found it linked on here and I have to say I've enjoyed the site. Those guys haven't invented or fabricated anything really, they've just posted things that Bruce himself has put out there. Sure, the jump to pedo status was a bit unwarranted, but the rest of the stuff is plainly information that's publicly available. |
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It's the same guy.
No, it's not. Well, it certainly looks like it. Same e-mail addresses, same partner, same writing style. |
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This is sickening me. I am issuing a challenge to non-trolls in this forum to step up and put some support behind Bruce. He's not perfect, but he's our de facto spokesperson, and having his name dragged through the mud makes us all look bad. For the sake of Bitcoins, stand behind Bruce Wagner.
Bruce hasn't done anything wrong. He's not a scammer, a rapist, a pedophile, or any of that stuff people are accusing him of. He's doing his best for the community and we should be thanking him.
+1 the people who have forum handles here and are associated with the something aweful forum need to come out here and say they are - so we can separate the trolls from real members - what do you say about that? if we find more then half come from that stupid forum then Bruce is being attacked falsely...I suspect this. I would agree with you on this, but I think the newest information about the mortgage fraud really turns things in the other direction. http://mortgagefraudblog.com/perp-walk/item/10674-illinois_foreclosure_rescue_company_fined_and_shut_downIt's seems like it's the same guy. |
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