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4061  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Was the first PoS coin Peercoin...? on: March 26, 2016, 09:32:01 AM
You're wrong. POW ensures far fairer distribution than unregulated ICO with zero transparency. ICO's here are a smoke screen you do not have a clue what could be happening behind the scenes. If the ICO was fully transparent then POW would no longer be needed. That will not happen in crypto anytime soon.

True.  And more to the point the ninja miners made loot out of nearly nothing.  I recall the 3 day mining periods, and shady pool ops.  ICOs are more less a variation on this scam play. (In time reputable ICOs will be underwritten and have a par value).   

I support long phase POWs that transition to POS ... but people are impatient so few models have been coded thus ... and we are talking the need to POW for 18-24 months.
4062  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Was the first PoS coin Peercoin...? on: March 26, 2016, 09:20:26 AM
The first fully electric car, the first fully metal building is what is interesting.
The first fully 100% POS coin was Nxt.
@Marc
This is a verified fact?
Documents got'm?
------------

Personally in my mind NXT is not POS.  It is a kinda of fuzzy thing.  (Same for all the other asset platforms).

My opinion of the first pure POS is Black.  (I can't site that as fact yet) BC [ANN] February 16, 2014, 06:06:19 PM

Also all POS have to go thru a POW phase (to make the coins).

But if memory serves right ... black, pink, asia, veri, panda, talk were the 'first' group (april may 2014) ... mintpal days ... hype and smoke ... and scam ... everyone wanted to be FIRST on the POS thing ... oddly the first working stake that I could personally verify .... wasn't until late summer ... you needed to acquire 'enough' of the overpriced much hyped to stake a block ... and there were boat loads of POS coins ninja mined and flooded out onto the market.

But for POW/POS hybrids ... solidcoin ... bumba seems to have the documented fact on that coin as starting POS.  Peer proved it successful.  But only 3 coins of the POW/POS hybrids variety have posted solid +$1m caps.  
4063  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SMC] SmartCoin | Next generation currency | continued development on: March 26, 2016, 08:30:19 AM
on mass adoption
I've been following this thread for a while, but hadn't commented so far because I was unsure what to say without sounding like an arrogant ass Smiley

I still can't think of anything to say without sounding like an arrogant ass, so I guess I'll have to run the risk  Roll Eyes

Mass market has been the goal for eMunie since day one, and its part of the reason why eMunie has taken so long because we weren't willing to compromise it in anyway.  Before I get to that, lets define what mass market is:

Mass market is the general consumer, period!  Its Joe public, your Grandma, your technically illiterate girlfriend, people who don't care about how money works or decentralization.  Its a $40 TRILLION per year market and rising fast each year (almost $1T per year at present).

Nothing in crypto at present, released or in development has the means to capture that market...other than eMunie and I'll tell you why.

Attracting the mass market can not be achieved by just one thing.  Features and tech alone won't do it, nor will marketing.  There are a number of critical requirements and ALL of them need to be met, otherwise you'll fail.

To achieve it the following is required (in no particular order):

Scalability - VISA alone processes on average 2000 transactions per second.  Add on Mastercard, Paypal, and all the consumer bank-bank transfers, the total volume is approaching 10,000 transactions per second.  Holiday periods are at least double.

Ease of use - Products for the consumer need to be 110% fool proof.  ANY action that requires them to have to think will result in them discarding and leaving.  That is not because they are stupid, but because they EXPECT products to be simple.

Incentives - Mass market doesn't care about liberalism, decentralization, and all that jazz which attracted us here in the first place.  The incentives to use it need to be different and relate to them as a consumer.

Women - 60-70% of consumer purchases are made by women.  Women make lots of small value purchases, men make fewer higher value purchases.  Women also influence men to make purchases they otherwise may not.  You need women!

Stability - The value of the currency HAS to be stable.  "Stable" is defined as no more than 2% +/- value movement in each 24 hours over the long term.

Integration - It should integrate with the existing infrastructure as much as possible without forfeiting control to that infrastructure.  That means both physical and virtual debit cards (read no middlemen) that operate with existing point of sale hardware, and it should be FAST!  Longer than 10 seconds and you'll annoy customer and merchant.  Easy online payment API's should also be available and be easy to use.

On/Off Ramps - Efficient and reliable on/off ramps for fiat are required, again without giving away control.  Buying crypto at the moment is difficult and time consuming, it needs to be simple and easy.

Advertising - A smart, maintained, targeted advertising strategy is needed, and it should use ALL forms, internet, TV, radio, billboards, magazines, newspapers, etc.  Unless you are Apple or some other large corp, you won't have the budget to advertise globally and succeed!  Start with small, promising territories first and build up.  Oh and don't forget that what works in one territory might not in another due to cultural differences.

Acceptance - Users will want to spend it, so you need to have at least some general consumer acceptance in place.  Internet service providers and online gambling will not cut it, consumers will want to buy real everyday products.

I could go on and on (an marketing document I'm currently working on is almost 70 pages, and that's just for internal use), but they are some of the primary requirements that are absolutely critical.  There are many more besides these which, while not deemed to be critical, still require careful forethought and action.

All of the above (and more) have had a lot of time spent on them to ensure that eMunie will truly stand a chance to penetrate the mass market.  Whether it be the technology, the marketing strategy, the infrastructure consideration, or the preparation of merchant relationships, all have been clearly defined and implemented into the project and the long term roll out plan.

If you're a crypto project and are targeting mass market, and haven't at least got clear direction on ALL of the above...you need to rethink everything, or save your time and effort!

re: mass adoption use
https://unichange.me/partner_program

http://nethut.no/service/

http://cryptoscratchcards.com/
4064  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [TGC][ANN] Relaunch Tigercoin - Official thread on: March 26, 2016, 05:50:24 AM
VOTE
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Home/Voting
running @ #1 tied

Tiger 145
Moin 145
#3coin 061

19 days left


4065  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][NINJA][LEA] LeaCoin - SHA-256/PoW on: March 26, 2016, 05:42:50 AM
random suggestion
Episode 1:
Introduction / Explanations / OS Setup / Cloning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jqAfySi64&list=PL3VHTMe_nFkyQKRus_py1WIRQr7FG2009
Episode 2
More cloning and generating merkle root
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENaTmbh8Xuw&feature=youtu.be
Episode 3
Hashing the genesis block
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Jp65Uq_U30&feature=youtu.be
Episode 4:
Creating some "artwork"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z_ONhDseVE&feature=youtu.be
Episode 5:
Compiling for Windows and uploading to github
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF3oE5uIP64&feature=youtu.be
Episode 6:
Seeing it all running and pool starting
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVPcmirqyOY&feature=youtu.be

Case Use suggestion
LEA >> LEArning how SHA256 (bitcoin) works.  Focus on teaching kids, you know the next generation of coders.  But also in general all things l;earning, probably preschool / elementary focus.  Helping link already established sites and tip content creators.

---
"Way to go Leacoin!"

Agree this is a well maintained coin by the creator, rare things these days Wink
4066  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][UNIC] Unicoin LAUNCHED! on: March 26, 2016, 04:41:53 AM
ugh!
http://cryptobe.com/chain/UniCoin

nonetheless we'll get it going again ... adjusts after 4 blocks (3 to go)
http://www.wmikrut.com/
4067  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★★ 15% APR ★★ Bitcoin Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: March 26, 2016, 04:00:57 AM
quote of the day
JACK ... blackjack coin
The OP does not mention the 210,000 block reward on block one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrDSqODtEFM
Annual interest 21000% / yobit
http://www.blackjack.cf/
4068  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [OSC]OpenSourcecoin Mandatory Update 7/1/14 on: March 25, 2016, 05:09:57 PM
MicroCash
The open source and free alternative to central banking
https://microcash.org/
4069  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ◥◣ TALK◥◣ ★★ 15% APR ★★ Bitcoin Community Coin ✪ BϾϾ ✪ on: March 25, 2016, 04:53:07 PM
@bumba sweet find lead me to the OP of stake OPs


Proof of stake instead of proof of work
July 11, 2011, 04:12:45 AM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=27787.0
4070  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] The Epic 420 Alliance Joint Force - United we stand! on: March 25, 2016, 04:32:35 PM
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/voices/seventeen-years-after-setting-wrong-goal-un-aims-get-drug-policy-right
social network worth connecting with? 
4071  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [OSC]OpenSourcecoin Mandatory Update 7/1/14 on: March 25, 2016, 04:29:43 PM
https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/grants
(soros)
4072  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [TGC][ANN] Relaunch Tigercoin - Official thread on: March 25, 2016, 12:59:36 PM
VOTE
https://www.cryptopia.co.nz/Home/Voting
running @ #2

Tiger 135
Moin 141
#3coin 055

20 days left




4073  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: March 25, 2016, 12:12:42 PM

lol that made my day
TQ knife
4074  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SPT] - Spots - Cryptsy | Fork 9/19 | Scrypt | Introducing Reward Reduction on: March 25, 2016, 07:07:54 AM
igotspots abandoned and aggressively dumped spots, and after YoBit post (now exactly above this my post) i've read forum.bits about yobit coins... and... voila! igotspots was there with his dirty hands: forum.bits.media/index.php?/topic/14885-yovi-yobitvirtualcoin-5-pos-rom/#entry286681

Lol, you're crazy. These dudes asked me years ago if they could take it over and I said yes. I don't even use Yobit and don't particularly even like them, which is obvious with even minimal research into it

iGotSpots may for the first time be telling the truth.
Although it bears his name, ACN took over years ago.

Yes it was a shitcoin raped by Cryptsy/Vern/Spots.  Again years ago.  But it went to legit hands years ago too.

[spt]Spots is a fair coin now.  (Low Cap, but if you get rid of the adolescent trolls that might change ... some)   

bottomline
2 exchanges?
old school launched (3 year trade history?)
up dated algo
4075  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ★[ANN] [NAV] NAV COIN - ANONYMOUS TECH. ● NEW ROADMAP ● CHAT ● on: March 24, 2016, 07:38:30 PM
welcome to cryptopia
FKU soopy!


note: Fuck you ~SoopY~

ps  ... still i like the icon Smiley

4076  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [UNO] Unobtanium Info & Discussion - Update to 0.10 Wallet - Merge Mine w/BTC! on: March 24, 2016, 06:25:43 PM
Spartans live here.

There is no ego.  No persona.  There is UNO.  Simple fundamentals.  And winning.  
For our outliners.  Both are welcome.  If either wants division, then the divisor walks.

No one can recreate what UNO is.  Because you need a time machine back to 2013.

If you want drama, seek another realm.  This is Sparta.

There is no ego.  No persona.  There is just UNO.
4077  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [OSC]OpenSourcecoin Mandatory Update 7/1/14 on: March 24, 2016, 06:08:14 PM
https://letsencrypt.org/
Technical Advisory Board (TAB)

Our TAB consists of technical experts from major supporting organizations, as well as independent experts with strong CA/PKI industry experience.

    Rich Salz (Akamai)
    Joe Hildebrand (Cisco)
    Jacob Hoffman-Andrews (Electronic Frontier Foundation)
    J.C. Jones (Mozilla)
    Russ Housley (Independent)
    Ryan Hurst (Independent)
    Stephen Kent (Independent)
    Karen O’Donoghue (Internet Society)
4078  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ✪ PR(o) ✪ "Prototanium 119" <<币>> ◣Its like UNO, because it is.◥ on: March 24, 2016, 02:44:10 PM
i think someone need to take over this coin

if a qualified dev (has launched a successful SHA256) shows up I doubt there is much objection to them taking over.
i have faith that hagbard celine will one day return, he is a very talented creator, but yes lacking in public commitment to his projects.

as a community member i am here for the long haul, but PRo is more on the fun/experiemnt side, less on the professional market use.
that is not so say that in the future things couldn't change, there is a solid tech underlining solid fundamentals.
4079  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Best POS coin for staking on: March 24, 2016, 01:43:10 PM
TALK thread dedicated to finding the best POS coins (plural)
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=864994.0
4080  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is ANY coin even Attempting Mass Adoption, Seriously!!!! on: March 24, 2016, 01:31:16 PM
No coin is going to have Mass Adoption.
1. That is centralization
2.  That is bad, m'kay
3.  Mass Adoption would entail raising $100Trillion evaluation, crazy numbers, and would never find stability for years.

But 100s of coins can establish communities and be worth $10s of Millions.  And can trade against each other (compete).
And 40-100 coins will be generally known but most who delve into the crypto space.  And these top tier coins will hold $100 Million caps.

BTC is still Lord of the Crypto realm.  ETH has come knocking but is set for 1-2 year bear market due to super hype cycle.  Look at the BTC chart ... ETH is at late 2013 on the pattern.

Besides...
Mass Adoption will come in the form of web app use (think paypal platforms) but have on public display their holdings.
And likely the masses will deal in their regional denomination (pesos dollars sheckles).
Crypto will remain a back room that manages the value, not unlike the bank system today, 99% of the public are not involved.

tldr;
I feel like people aren't smart enough to grasp the technology yet. The only way it can go mainstream is if it's being used without people knowing it's being used. I hate to say it but most mainstream People don't care how their money works as long as it works.
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