While I agree in part, the internet will never give you the one thing you most need to know: what goes on beyond closed doors.
The greatest irony of that statement, is that most of what the Internet does is show other people what goes on behind closed doors. |
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But if I'm wrong, the burden's on you to show me why you think you're being double-taxed here.
No, it's not.
Otherwise, my claim stands.
No, it doesn't. Your example is so far away from what I just stated it the reality that it's not even in the same tax code. I never said that Kentucky taxes the federal return. |
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It's like trying to argue religious doctrine on a forum frequented by both Catholics and Mormons. Arguing is fine and dandy but what if Catholics started pointing guns and arresting Mormons? I think that's the real issue here. I couldn't care less if these statists agreed with me. I just want them to stop trying to rob me at gunpoint. I chose those two denominations intentionally, because they both have a history of using force against non-believers. |
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I'd wager that you don't think that your political ideologies are "fringe".
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Just because you consider your arguments in high regard, doesn't mean that I consider them worth responding to.
You are entitled to your brand of fringe politics and the blinders you think it's ideology entitles you to wear. Yes, I am. As are you. And thus, this ongoing political "conversation" is mostly a waste of time for both of us. Both sides are pretty sure of themselves. It's like trying to argue religious doctrine on a forum frequented by both Catholics and Mormons. |
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This is actually one of the better arguments for your 'benevolent statism' position.
We have had plenty of excellent arguments. And in fact, the more excellent they are, the more they're ignored. Just because you consider your arguments in high regard, doesn't mean that I consider them worth responding to. |
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in the US, even the income tax refund checks are taxed
Uh, what?? I know that you *want* this statement to be true to fuel your rabid taxman-the-oppressor fantasies, but it's just nonsense. A federal income tax refund is simply money that you overpaid the government during the year that it's giving back, it's not taxable income. I've got some really bad news for you. I'm taxed each year on the amount of my tax return check from the previous year by the state of Kentucky. By some legaleze magic, they don't consider it double taxation. The only way to avoid it is to owe the state each year, which is very difficult to do. |
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Do or do not citizens have the financial power to influence big business, namely to keep big business from turning tyrannical?
In theory, they do, but they don't have the unity, or collective organization, or motivation to make it happen. A government does, however, if some fraction of the citizens convince the government to. They're also missing another key factor: information. Big business has a massive information advantage. And, in fact, this is exactly what a proper government is. It is citizens united to give themselves collective bargaining power against those entities more powerful than themselves. This is actually one of the better arguments for your 'benevolent statism' position. And, speaking historicly, it's true. The Internet has been systematicly undermining the 'leverage' of superior data gathering long held by large organizations for centuries. We are all already in uncharted territory, and continue down this same path with each passing day. Bitcoin is just one piece in that great puzzle, but it's already true that a person transplanted from 1980 couldn't have predicted the reality of 2011. Twelve year old girls regularly get a new cell phone for their birthday, although not necessarily their first cell phone. Furthermore, cell phones are only called such for historic reasons, as talking upon them is just one application of the tiny & portable computers with multiple built-in digital radios, all of which have bitrates that would have cost a fortune for a wired connection in 1980. If that person from 1980 was even aware of the Internet, what the average middle class fourth grader has access to would have still floored him. If he was an academic, Wikipedia would have made him fear for his tenure; and if he was a member of the military officer's core, Google Earth would have scared the crap out of him even after learning about the complete collapse of the Soviet Union. |
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I am here to say, with certainty, that this is not a fraud. I got mine to work, and now I think I know what has been going wrong. The download is getting interupted without any kind of error or even a force close. To get it done, you need to plug your phone into the charger, turn on the app, select 'refresh' from the settings menu, and just set it down near your wifi router and go to bed. DO NOT hit the button to make the screen sleep. The app will keep the screen on, which is why you need it plugged in, and will take many hours to march through the blockchain. But by morning, the spinning icon should be gone and any coins that you sent to it should be visable. You can safely stop the app, and the next time you start the app, it will take only a short while to catch up.
Obviously we're talking about different apps here. Make sure you've got the app from my sig installed. I'm talking about the recently released 'Bitcoin Android' client that keeps a local copy of the blockchain on the SD card. Not your 'Bitcoin Wallet' app. Since I'm the one who started this thread, I'd say that I don't have to make sure of anything with regards to what is in your sig. |
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I have figured out why mine wasn't working. The sleep mode was interupting the download. If you are having this problem, plug your phone into it's charger, open the app, select 'refresh' from the settings menu, and then set the phone down near your wifi router and go to bed. DO NOT hit the button to sleep the screen. The app should have marched through the blockchain by morning, and daily updates only take a minute or so. Also, after downloading the blockchain and finally seeing the coins that I sent it, I sent it more. It took less time for the phone app to see the transaction than it took me to pull my finger from the mouse and pick up the phone. Less than a second. It was "pending" (not unconfirmed, I think that I like that description better) of course, but it knew that it was there.
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I'm having the same problem, and am starting to suspect that we've been tricked into sending small change to an address not under our own control. I can't find evidence on my own phone that it's actually downloading the blockchain (headers or full). There is no block count, only a spinning icon; so there is no way to judge it's progress. The only option in the settings section is 'refresh'. What is it refreshing? I can't examine the code, so until I see evidence otherwise, or someone on this forum that I trust will inform me otherwise, I will consider this a rather ingenious method of 'phishing' fraud.
I am here to say, with certainty, that this is not a fraud. I got mine to work, and now I think I know what has been going wrong. The download is getting interupted without any kind of error or even a force close. To get it done, you need to plug your phone into the charger, turn on the app, select 'refresh' from the settings menu, and just set it down near your wifi router and go to bed. DO NOT hit the button to make the screen sleep. The app will keep the screen on, which is why you need it plugged in, and will take many hours to march through the blockchain. But by morning, the spinning icon should be gone and any coins that you sent to it should be visable. You can safely stop the app, and the next time you start the app, it will take only a short while to catch up. |
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Right, so you don't actually have any property rights. I said the only thing stopping you, which has nothing to do with rights. However, if we follow your logic then nobody has any rights at all. The only thing stopping you from murdering me is more firepower so according to your logic, I don't have the right to not be murdered. That's a pretty absurd viewpoint. Why? Where do rights come from if not from enforcement by superior force? You should stop and consider your own choice of words. Rights come from our Creator, or if you reject that concept, from our basic humanity. However, enforcement of rights comes from the justifiable use of superior force. Just because you can violate the rights of another, should you have the bigger guns at the moment, doesn't mean that 'might makes right'. Obviously what does make right is whatever YOU say makes right, right? No. |
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Right, so you don't actually have any property rights. I said the only thing stopping you, which has nothing to do with rights. However, if we follow your logic then nobody has any rights at all. The only thing stopping you from murdering me is more firepower so according to your logic, I don't have the right to not be murdered. That's a pretty absurd viewpoint. Why? Where do rights come from if not from enforcement by superior force? You should stop and consider your own choice of words. Rights come from our Creator, or if you reject that concept, from our basic humanity. However, enforcement of rights comes from the justifiable use of superior force. Just because you can violate the rights of another, should you have the bigger guns at the moment, doesn't mean that 'might makes right'. |
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Very well. You're right. the law should be stated: States cock-up money supplies.
The advice based on that law is: Don't give States control of the money.
Thank you. I have absolutely no problem with either of your statements, I can't vouch for how true they are (depends entirely on who they cock things up for!) but I still think that the linked article is incredibly hard to take seriously. Cultist tricks like the redefinition of the words "true" and "law" serve to add artificial authority to whatever opinion is being pushed; it's emotive, intellectually dishonest and only works in circle-jerks. People parading around claiming to be the Truth TM, Light TM or The One True Way TM are not people you should be taking seriously, even if you share beliefs with them. If you don't like my circle jerk, stay out of the middle. |
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What is most economically viable absent government intervention is what should be implemented and what would naturally be implemented in a free market.
well, that solves that problem. time to build more coal plants. Coal plants only have an advantage presently, because in the past they were protected from the external costs by governments, and presently they already have huge sunk capital costs. In a free market, not a single new coal plant would be built. |
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It's theater at present but there is a interest in the world that would love to see a US default as it would be incredibly deflationary for the USD.
If you want Bitcoin to succeed a US default is not in your best interest (not that it would be anyway), a default would almost certainly send prices of BTC into the sub $1 range.
If the US were to actually default on it's debt obligations, something that I don't consider to be in the cards even if the credit limit isn't raised, the results would most certainly not be deflationary. That would be highly inflationary. Perhaps even hyperinflationary. There is simply too much US $ that exists outside of the national borders that would be quickly trying to find it's way home to be intergrated into the US economy. That would be the end game for the US $ as an international reserve currency. |
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Right, so you don't actually have any property rights. You just have bigger guns on that piece of land than I do. So when someone with bigger guns than you comes along, your "ownership" is history, because you never actually owned anything, you just maintained your presence there with bigger guns than the next guy.
Interesting direction you're taking here. It sounds like, at least to me, unless your just being sarcastic, that the only thing you fear is the bigger "stick". That rights, which are theoretical constructs, are only derived from superior forces. That the only consequence there is, is pain, and were it possible that you could avoid this, if you had this "bigger stick", you would use it to acquire land and commodities. Sounds like we are merely prey and predator. There is no right nor wrong. No justice or injustice. All of this garrulity is mere topic fodder for the weak. Might makes right. Moral relativism is pegged to nothingness. Pain avoidance is the name of the game is it? Okaaayyyy..... It would seem that way, wouldn't it? If you go and read bitcoin2cash's post history, you'll begin to see the contradiction I've been talking about. This point of view would make you a sociopath. |
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If you are being paid in paypal or credit cards, you should be paranoid. If the transactions were local, and he was paying in cash, or otherwise couldn't get funds into MtGox (not easy, I can't do it either) and was otherwise unwilling to wait for the post to make it to one of the cash in the mail dealers, they'd be as legit as any others.
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