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4161  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Game-Protect.com did not refund my money and stopped replying to my emails on: November 03, 2019, 07:35:28 PM
In the real world it works like this:

If Game Protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, around July 2019, then h4ns's brain would have substantiated that Game Protect is a scam / show around July 2019 and not September 3rd after I asked him if he can lend me BTC worth 10€ the second time! Smiley


Lets say a player gets frustrated with a casino for some reason and calls them a scam on a forum. (happens all the time)

Do you think the Casino has the right to just take the players money from their account, cancel any withdraws and just keep it and tell the player the funds were being deducted from $10,000 that the player now owes the Casino?

What would you say to a Casino that did this?

Who's wrong, Casino or Player?

4162  Economy / Gambling / Re: Game Protect Legal Case - Curacao License Scam on: November 03, 2019, 06:01:35 PM
I've already explained that I signed an NDA and part of the NDA (=Non Disclosure Agreement) is to not disclose the details of the settlement, do you want to see a bank transfer slip showing a payment was made? This I can show you but I cannot show the other things here. Nonetheless at least some other good members like the one quoted above does believe this, I have no intention of lying about it, none whatsoever.

I believe that he did actually help you get your funds back.  I hope you understand the reason you're getting all these questions is because you're the only person that appears even a little credible that has come forward and said GP actually returned your funds.  He's been here over 3 years.  Almost 5,000 posts.  And you're the only one.  (Of course it's pretty clear he managed to scam you out of ~$1k USD a few months later, which ironically makes you even more credible, but that's besides the point)

My guess is that your case was one of the rare ones where a few emails was all it took to convince the Casino to return the funds.  I wouldn't be surprised if he tried to appear to you as if he was using a lawyer and working with multiple people, but really it was just him trying to scare the Casino into giving you a refund, and it actually worked for once.

Did he ever have other players contact you as a reference?

Did you know the Lady that you decided to put up the money for personally?  Or did Game-Protect introduce you guys and then help work out a deal so that "everyone could win?"

To be clear, I'm purely speculating here.
4163  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: November 03, 2019, 03:51:38 AM
Are we on the same page at least that politically appointed federal employees (not including the President) can be fired for any reason at any time, without due process?

They can be fired by their boss (e.g. by the President when applicable) but they can also be subject to impeachment - yes, a cabinet member can be impeached - so not sure how that analogy helps here. These are two different ways to remove someone from a job.

Extending this to the President's job basically means the he can be voted out by his "boss" (the people) or be impeached. Voters don't really engage in any due process, they can vote any way they want for any reason or no reason at all, so that's fine. But the House is not President's boss so they have to follow the constitutionally prescribed impeachment procedure, which to be fair is sufficiently vague for everyone to find something to complain about. But there is at least the "high crimes and misdemeanors" thing.



Found an interesting paper that goes into detail of exactly what we've been debating : High Crimes Without Law.

Part 1 goes into detail of Johnsons Senate Trial.  During the Trial, his lawyer based his entire defense on one of the same arguments that TECSHARE and Spendulus have been making, and it worked:  

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nullum crimen sine lege “There can be no crime, there can be no misdemeanor without a law.”
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The principle of no crime without law has been described as one of the most “widely held value-judgments in the entire history of human thought.”

Part 2 is Modern Counterarguments to the idea of nullum crimen sine lege

The consensus among law nerds over the past 150 years is pretty clear that when the constitution was written, the founders would not have considered nullum crimen sine lege to be a valid defense during the Senate Trial of an impeached official.

One point I hadn't heard or considered before was that 'high crimes' are crimes naughty actions that only a President (or someone in power) can be held accountable for.  If a civilian did the same thing, they wouldn't be in any trouble with the government, because it's not against the law.  There is no official extensive list of things a President can be impeached for.  There for, the assumption is that it's up to Congress to decide whether it's naughty enough to remove him from office - not whether or not it's a crime.  

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A high crime is one that can be done only by someone in a unique position of authority, which is political in character, who does things to circumvent justice. The phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors," used together, was a common phrase when the U.S. Constitution was written and did not require any stringent or difficult criteria for determining guilt but meant the opposite. The phrase was historically used to cover a very broad range of crimes.

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The charge of high crimes and misdemeanors covers allegations of misconduct by officials. Offenses by officials also include ordinary crimes, but perhaps with different standards of proof and punishment than for non-officials, on the grounds that more is expected of officials by their oaths of office. Indeed the offense may not even be a breach of criminal statute.

Another interesting point is that since the Constitution explicitly states that after being impeached/removed, a President can still be charged criminally for the same thing that got him removed.  This contradicts the Double Jeopardy clause, unless being convicted by the Senate isn't the same as being convicted of a crime.


And then you get to the end of the paper and realize none of it even really mattered:

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In the end, however, it doesn’t really matter how logical Benjamin Curtis’s argument may have been considering how often it has been ignored in practice. In the century-and-a-half since 1868, six federal judges have been convicted and removed from office for conduct that wasn’t necessarily a crime when they committed it — a clear violation of Curtis’s conclusion.






4164  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: November 02, 2019, 11:20:52 PM
Because you are just basically wrong in what you said. Due process is an integral part of many aspects of society. In administrative law, promulgated regulations are required to have extensive comment periods, and if one is assessed a penalty, there is an appeals process (WITH DUE PROCESS). The lack of due process is a valid defense in many matters, taking a simple example, when an individual pays rent.

Or when a civil servant is about to be terminated for cause. His contract most certainly requires due process.

Yes, there are laws in place that make it very difficult to fire a federal employee.  Tons of paperwork, tons of evidence.

Politically appointed federal employees are different though.  They can be fired at any time for pretty much any reason (I'd guess it's still illegal to fire them because of their gender race or religion though).  No due process required since the reason can literally be "i don't like you" or "I disagree with your opinions" or "I want someone else to have your job".  If a non-politically appointed federal employee was fired for any of these reasons, they'd easily win a lawsuit for a very nice pay day.

Due process is a very well understood concept and ingrained in culture, institutions, law, and common law.

Let me know if you want to continue arguing that the President of the United States is not entitled to due process. If you do, please present case history and similar facts. Otherwise I will ignore postings, I don't think your "opinion" matters in something like this.

Yeah, that's what we're discussing right?

Are we on the same page at least that politically appointed federal employees (not including the President) can be fired for any reason at any time, without due process?

It's relevant because I'm trying to make the point that getting fired without due process is not just a right that every American has.
4165  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: November 02, 2019, 10:47:56 PM
Because you are just basically wrong in what you said. Due process is an integral part of many aspects of society. In administrative law, promulgated regulations are required to have extensive comment periods, and if one is assessed a penalty, there is an appeals process (WITH DUE PROCESS). The lack of due process is a valid defense in many matters, taking a simple example, when an individual pays rent.

Or when a civil servant is about to be terminated for cause. His contract most certainly requires due process.

Yes, there are laws in place that make it very difficult to fire a federal employee.  Tons of paperwork, tons of evidence.

Politically appointed federal employees are different though.  They can be fired at any time for pretty much any reason (I'd guess it's still illegal to fire them because of their gender race or religion though).  No due process required since the reason can literally be "i don't like you" or "I disagree with your opinions" or "I want someone else to have your job".  If a non-politically appointed federal employee was fired for any of these reasons, they'd easily win a lawsuit for a very nice pay day.
4166  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Game-Protect.com did not refund my money and stopped replying to my emails on: November 02, 2019, 03:29:32 PM
Also, you are the least trusted person (most distrusted) on this forum.
His BPIP profile is ridiculously out of date*. His trust value under the old system actually stands at a whopping -549,755,813,888. One more tag and he'll become the first red trust trillionaire! Grin (Maybe that's the achievement he's aiming for.)

*His negative trust is high enough to trigger a 32-bit integer overflow, so maybe it's straight-up crashing Vod's parser. Undecided
The trust of who on this forum did I breach and how?


If you click your mouse on the word 'here' in your scam flag, it's a link to all the details.  Just click your mouse on it.

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here.

4167  Other / Off-topic / Re: false scam accusation made a guy who stole my account. on: November 02, 2019, 11:59:34 AM
The investor who invested 0.2btc to list the token requested for the identity of the developer. But the developer got angry and refuse. Then next thing he wants to swap. That’s a scam right?

No, it's not.
4168  Other / Off-topic / Re: false scam accusation made a guy who stole my account. on: November 02, 2019, 05:42:12 AM
Sorry for making the thread such a pain in the ass to read with all those screen shots.  I edited the post.

The reason I went through and added all those img tags is because I think they paint a pretty clear picture:  Lollypop is a pretty decent person and OP is a massive douchebag that is just fucking with Lollypop.  (Also seems very likely that Bastonet is alt account of OP)


I encourage everyone to read through at least some of the screenshots Lollypop posted before coming to any conclusion.   link to screenshots  

(Lollypop, you should link this in your defense thread, A long list of imgur links are a huge pain to read through.  Might also be a good idea to provide an edited list of the most relevant screen shots.)


4169  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 12:57:28 PM
Will you ask her to help you understand or do you not want her to know of all the trouble you've gotten into here?
h4ns has gotten into trouble here, not Game Protect! Roll Eyes

Is she aware of your reputation?
4170  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 12:47:28 PM
In the real world, if you publicly support that a written contract was violated, you need to be able to tell at what day and how, otherwise you actively participate in the criminal offense!

In the real world, if you publicly claim that someone is mentally abusing children, you need to be able to tell at what day and how, otherwise you actively participate in the criminal offense of defamation!
They are at a high risk of getting mentally abused whenever they read the extremely mentally ill brain wash nonsense shit!!! Smiley



Do you have any friends or family that can help you?

How about Nardy?  Will you ask her to help you understand or do you not want her to know of all the trouble you've gotten into here?

If you don't have anyone else I'd be willing to try and explain things over skype to you.  A lot of people have tried to help you understand what's going on here but it seems that's a lost cause.
4171  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 12:37:56 PM
Do you have any friends or family that can help you understand?

How about Nardy?  Can she help you understand or do you not want her to know of all the trouble you've gotten into here?  You understand that you've been doing bad things, right?
4172  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 12:04:25 PM
I try try to find out at what day and how it happened?

If you actually forgot, you should go to your own profile then click on the trust rating or the big red scam flag.  Click the links.  All the info is there.
I did, but around July 2019 is not a day in the real world! Roll Eyes

It also is not described how the violation of a non-existing contract happened Huh

Asking to lend BTC worth 10€ is not a scam in the real world!

(September 3rd) My suspicion substantiated when he asked me to borrow him €10. For the second time.

I am also not able to find the words trust and steal  Huh

Do you have any friends that speak english and could explain it to you?
4173  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 11:53:02 AM
I try try to find out at what day and how it happened?

If you actually forgot, you should go to your own profile then click on the trust rating or the big red scam flag.  Click the links (the words that are blue).  All the info is there.
4174  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 10:02:30 AM
If you click your mouse on the word 'here' in your scam flag, it's a link to all the details.  Just click your mouse on it.

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here  <==============.
I clicked on the link you recommend, but it does not contain the word steal Huh

You should read all the words. 
I did, but it does not contain the word steal Huh


You should read all the words.  Not just look took and see if one specific word is used.

Give it a shot.  Maybe ask a native English speaking friend to explain things to you if you're still confused.
4175  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 09:56:55 AM
If you click your mouse on the word 'here' in your scam flag, it's a link to all the details.  Just click your mouse on it.

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here  <==============.
I clicked on the link you recommend, but it does not contain the word STEAL Huh

You should read all the words.  Not just look took and see if one specific word is used.

Give it a shot.  Maybe ask a native English speaking friend to explain things to you if you're still confused.
4176  Economy / Reputation / Re: Game Protect flag on: November 01, 2019, 09:51:45 AM
If you click your mouse on the word 'here' in your scam flag, it's a link to all the details.  Just click your mouse on it.

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h4ns alleges: game-protect violated a written contract, resulting in damages, in the specific act referenced here  <==============.
4177  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Car and Driver licensing on: November 01, 2019, 08:45:57 AM


how deep do you want to climb out of the rabbit hole you fell down..

This line is possibly the point of it all. You might have knowledge of what you mean, but in general, it doesn't make sense. Same with the courts - legalease. So, simply maintain your own court by filing a claim (becoming prosecutor) right into their court, therby making it your court, every time they want to make a complaint against you (make you a defendent).

i could go on for hours busting the flaws of the 'freeman' stuff

Anybody could do the same. The freeman stuff isn't the route to go.

first of all, the basics of human vs civil. is if simplified down about 'illegal aliens' and 'tresspass' if your not a legal citizen(not member of public)(not under government rule) then you are tresspassing and will be deported.

Don't steer court into human vs. civil. Human is written right into the basics of the Constitution and Bill of Rights Articles. Drop the "vs.," and simply use the "human" side exactly as it is written. If they don't bring up the idea of public, and who is under government rule, why bring it up? That isn't what your case is about.

if you try using government services you will be denied. roads are a service. so without showing you have a licence(permit(permission)) to use their services then you should not be on the road.

Even government people write that if you use "right to travel" in the correct way, you have that right. There are people all over the place that do this.

legal acts of the road(government service) is that the public(citizens) should not walk on the road but use the pavement and crossings. roads are made for vehicles and laws of how those vehicles apply to how they should act on the roads

You sound like you were trying to change government somewhere along the line. This isn't the point of Karl or myself. Rather, we use government as it is meant to be used by people.

if you dont want to obide by those government legal acts. then become an illegal alien and hide off the grid.. or walk on land which you own or have permission to walk through..
but if you are found using government services accept to be charged for that service.

Government legal acts don't always apply to what you are doing, or to your life. Why try to make them apply when they don't? Are you trying to rebuild government to your own specifications?

In the Jack McLamb site I listed in a previous post, we are shown that government has said things that are different than our regular thinking. Use the court cases correctly, and you can drive without licensing. (Using them correctly includes referring to them rather than using directly.)

ok its ben a few years. so lets dig in
https://www.youarelaw.org/common-law-discussion-karl-lentz-billy-thornton/
mp3. #1 time0:00-15:00
guy goes to court and say he doesnt recognise the courts the case lasts 7 minutes and is ended.
it clearly says in the mp3 the liability order was still active. after the case
all that happened was just wasting the courts time.
the liability order was no quashed
the guy then went to say to those he was liable to that he went to court. but didnt say that those he was liable to just went away.
what half of this freemason crap is about is not lawfully dismissing liability. but actually trying to waste everyones time soo much that they just give up after their accountant works out that its more expensive to keep trying and to just write it off as acceptable loss of revenue.

So what? The joker doesn't know what he is talking about. He isn't using the law. He is mostly doing what you were doing... using government legalease, and trying to run a government's case rather than filing your own case into theirs. That isn't what Karl does in point... remain a defendant in their case. However, the page you listed wasn't found.

As an alternative, try https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrobPy1orU. This is #10 of 10 interviews with Karl. Listen to the rest of them, as well. They aren't freeman. They are different.

things like this are done all the time. if you have a credit card/loan owing &pound;500 but know it costs a credit card company &pound;500 to pay to a financial omburdsmen to make a decision. and then &pound;1000 to go to court, and court of appeals. the freemasons would try making credit card companies aware of the costs its costing them to keep fighting for their funds, and mentioning after that the person can just claim bankruptcy meaning the credit card company wont get anything back. thats not the person winning because of human rights. but just getting a company to make a loss and move on.
but the fremasons hide all that tactic in lots of half truths and ploys to make it sound ik its about human rights

mp3. #1 time15:00-30:00
ok this segment is about what authority a court has.
basically anyone can choose any fair venue to argue their case. many contracts can b formed whereby if a person has a problem with thier telephone service. they can first go to their telephone regulator, then tribubal, mitigation, then court.

people can form their own court. but if one party such as&nbsp; government that feels you have tresspassed or broke one of the rules of the use of their property they can ask you to attend their court.

if someone stands on your land then you can escort them to your barn and get them to defend their actions or suffer the consequences.
EG at a drinking bar/pub, but customer dosnt have money for the drink. you can take them into the kitchen and mak them wash dishes/glasses as payment/punishment/reimbursment of lost costs
but be careful.. your punishment may not be lawful or legal which means you could get in trouble for the punishment you give out.

the whole going to court and saying you dont recognise their authority is not declaring your innocence its just wasting the courts time. if its related to a government service which you broke the rules of then the government courts have procedures for that. they simply add a warrent to get you to turn up later. you actually can end up getting in worse trouble than just admitting you as a human did make a mistake by driving unlicenced

EG by claiming your not a citizen of government you could end up in a detention centre until they can identify a country you are a citizen of to deport you to. rather than just paying a fine for being unlicenced on the road

I agree. Doing things like these are silly if they are done just the way you say. The trick is that you don't do these things, but rather, use the part of the courts that get you your results.

The formal reason for the licensing is so that government and everyone else easily recognize that you are a person who is a reasonably safe person to be traveling in an area. When you beat them in court, you can travel without licensing. But why go to all that trouble? Get a license.

Karl never talks about citizenship except if the citizenship issue is the one being brought up by government. In fact, his point is that he is a man, and if they bring up citizenshp to move him away from his claim, Karl asks them what citizenship has to do with it? That's not what the case is about.



Here's the point. There is a side of government and law that is not the legal side. Rather, it is the lawful side. It works like this, very simply.

Whenever government takes you to court for something, they always file a complaint against you. If you file a claim (not a motion) inside their complaint, they are required by law to have a person on the stand accusing you of harm or damage... real harm or damage... not some simple thing like you damaged their law by not obeying it, or their feelings were hurt.

They can't do it because of the 4 legs of the table in court. They need an accuser who can take the oath and get on the stand and testify. They need the accuser to have been harmed or damaged in some way that he can show and prove is harm or damage. The other two are evidence and at least one witness that show that you did it.

The thing they will do is try to move you back into the complaint side of the court when you file your claim into their case. They do this because a claim trumps a complaint. When they can't do this because you are shrewd enough to not let them, you win.

To say it another way, the name on the indictment is your accuser. If the name is the State of XXXXX, vs. Jon Doe, and JD files a claim (not a motion) into their case requiring to face his accuser and question him/her on the stand (standard law), who does the indictment say the accuser is? How does the the State of XXXXX get on the stand? But even if he does, how is he going to testify? But even if he can testify, where is the harm or damage? But if there is harm or damage, hasn't JD been an honorable person and agreed to pay off the harm or damage on the private side? But if JD has already agreed to pay, where is the case? It was settled on the private side, right? But if they won't accept the conditions of JD's payment when JD says this is all that he can afford, UCC says that the debt is cancelled because they wouldn't accept his offer of payment. If there is no harm or damage in the first place, there can be no guilty verdict in a properly written claim case.

The reason the right to travel usage isn't popular is that people constantly let government run all over them in court.

Cool

My Eyes Are Bleeding.
4178  Other / Off-topic / Re: Flat Earth on: November 01, 2019, 07:30:00 AM
^^^ That post gave me cancer.

@BADecker, that link you posted is nonsense and lies. It completely disregards the optical compression that occurs at the angular resolution limit of the eye or camera then starts claiming it's the earth that's curving. The article then goes on to fake a horizon drop with a smartphone theodolite app zeroed off-centre.

The icing on this cake of shit is the illustration they provide:



LOL

All that you are saying is that sighting with transit, and then calculating the measurements, doesn't work. If in your mind it doesn't work, why are you so intent on the idea that the earth is flat. Since sight and sight measurement doesn't work, are you smelling that the earth is flat?

You rely on Youtube videos that you say show the earth is flat. Yet you want to disregard cellphone stuff that's in an article that I mentioned. Yet the cellphone stuff isn't really the important part of the measuring in the article.

The thing that you are really doing is to negate anything that you say by negating the things that I say? How are you doing this? We are both using similar measurement methods. If you negate my using of them, you negate your using of them.

Mine work. Yours don't. In addition, your picture doesn't illustrate what I said.

Cool



Omg wow.

Batman, a Flat Earther

VS

BADECKER, Cool,  Our resident Conspiracy Theorist/Anti-Vaxxer/Moon Landing was Fake/Bin Laden is Still Alive/Chem Trails/and on and on and on...



Prepare yourself for some disinformation folks.

Winner gets the tin foil crown.


I'm pretty surprised BADecker isn't a Flat Earther.  I guess he decided to pick one wacky conspiracy to not endorse to seem....not crazy?



4179  Economy / Gambling / Re: ⚖️ Crypto Gambling Foundation ⚖️ - Fair Gambling For All on: November 01, 2019, 06:59:31 AM
BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do.  For Shame Bitdice!  

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share).  Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me.   Undecided

4180  Other / Politics & Society / Re: [POLL] Trump Impeachment Poll: Who's Fault Is It? on: November 01, 2019, 03:41:43 AM
It's a very twisted, sick fuck of a mis definition that argues that a sitting President is not a citizen and entitled to all the rights of a citizen.

He absolutely has rights as an individual citizen.

But not when it comes to an impeachment investigation.

I hear you saying something you like to say, but I'm not interested any more than whether you like oranges or apples. You made a fairly crazy, illogical assertion and the result was that I refuted it.

If you want to produce a logical argument to support your belief, go do it, otherwise, don't waste peoples' time.
Looking back at my posts I def wasn't doing the best job at explaining my stance.  Let me try again:

'Due Process in the Court of Law' is for when the government decides whether to take someones property, throw them in jail or execute them.  

Congress can not provide due process because they do not have the power to decide these things.  (They make the laws, it would go against the whole idea of our system if they also had the power to enforce them)

Congress is not trying to take away the presidents life, liberty or property.  They're just deciding whether to fire him from his job or not.

He isn't owed any more 'due process' than a CEO that gets voted out by the shareholders/board of a company.
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