⚖️ Crypto Gambling Foundation ⚖️ - Fair Gambling For All

[JollyGood]

I doubt BetKing in its current trust standing (reference: this) is representative of the values CGF stands for.

I actually think betking was removed quite a while ago, when they first started doing shady stuff. Which I believe that was even before they reneged on their promise to investors, which is when they fell out of favor on bitcointalk.

I removed myself from the cgf after Stunna decided to side with you and Devans without even hearing my side of the story. I left the telegram group and removed the banner/link from betking then.

In other words that was serial scammer Dean Nolan throwing another tantrum and spitting out his dummy 

With all the evidence mounting against a scam website such as betking and its owner/operator serial scammer Dean Nolan I guess there was enough evidence in the posts to show what scams were carried out.

Having said that I am pleased CGF will never allow serial scammer Dean Nolan or his betking scam website back as a member

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[joksim299]

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

[TwitchySeal]

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do.  For Shame Bitdice!  

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share).  Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me.   

[joksim299]

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do.  For Shame Bitdice!  

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share).  Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me.   

Most players usually do not even try to check their rolls and verify results, they think that is enough for operator to mention they are provably fair, those will be victims of shady slot games from even more shadier studios.
I asked once how to verify roll for SoftSwiss games and they told me to ask casino and casino said they are not allowed to give such information...

[docthusinh]

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do.  For Shame Bitdice!  

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share).  Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me.   

Most players usually do not even try to check their rolls and verify results, they think that is enough for operator to mention they are provably fair, those will be victims of shady slot games from even more shadier studios.
I asked once how to verify roll for SoftSwiss games and they told me to ask casino and casino said they are not allowed to give such information...

That's their biggest issue, unless the site owner there change his mind and concentrate his employees on the Dice game itself. What I can see is they put so much effort on useless/ not effective thing (sport betting, slot games, fiat rather than dice game and it's contest events), they will lose their ass to competitors faster with this status considering too many new sites and attractive things there. The users needs are: good LB & BB percentage, continous attractive wagering contest (ie, freebitco: 0.2BTC daily wagering prize, around 0.6 BTC weekly lottery, 32k USD monthly wagering contest, 200k USD Lambo every six months), that't the only way to retain players rather than useless things.

Users may like sport betting, but unless they do it in house which only the reference odds & bet results are getting pulled from providers at most and they pay winners or take losers stake themself other than handling over the thing to providers and they stay as middle man to earn for both losing and winning cases, this is the biggest issue, users won't get paid (for cancelled winning bets) and they don't have to take responsibility for that..so I think certainly user won't like it and might just go for other site for sport bettings.

[joksim299]

BitDice have some non provably fair games on their site while they still have seal of foundation

Indeed they do.  For Shame Bitdice!  

Would love to know the details of whatever deal you worked out with these providers though (hold, payouts, how the backend works, whatever you can share).  Always been curious how these guys that basically answer to nobody operate but for some reason nobody will ever tell me.  

Most players usually do not even try to check their rolls and verify results, they think that is enough for operator to mention they are provably fair, those will be victims of shady slot games from even more shadier studios.
I asked once how to verify roll for SoftSwiss games and they told me to ask casino and casino said they are not allowed to give such information...

That's their biggest issue, unless the site owner there change his mind and concentrate his employees on the Dice game itself. What I can see is they put so much effort on useless/ not effective thing (sport betting, slot games, fiat rather than dice game and it's contest events), they will lose their ass to competitors faster with this status considering too many new sites and attractive things there. The users needs are: good LB & BB percentage, continous attractive wagering contest (ie, freebitco: 0.2BTC daily wagering prize, around 0.6 BTC weekly lottery, 32k USD monthly wagering contest, 200k USD Lambo every six months), that't the only way to retain players rather than useless things.

Users may like sport betting, but unless they do it in house which only the reference odds & bet results are getting pulled from providers at most and they pay winners or take losers stake themself other than handling over the thing to providers and they stay as middle man to earn for both losing and winning cases, this is the biggest issue, users won't get paid (for cancelled winning bets) and they don't have to take responsibility for that..so I think certainly user won't like it and might just go for other site for sport bettings.

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say  suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough  documentation for average user to be able to verify results

[docthusinh]

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say  suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough  documentation for average user to be able to verify results

For dice game, I can confirm it's provably fair but other games I am not sure. And yes signature squad make them worsen overtime (not including the initial phase which the casino need them to spread the brand to people) and since they will just defend it regardless of the true status and true gamblers needs, they will just lose users overtime. But don't worry, there are enough budget for the team to have another 2 years to make thing change before spending all of their USD reserve, so that if you are a gambler, stay with dice game which is more or less enough fair, and if you are the investor or having any form of benefit from the casino, just don't worry for now lol.

[BoXXoB]

Sorry, I didn't see these before so I've not been here before to comment.

Firstly we don't really claim that each of our games are provably fair. I don't see the problem with anyone having a choice whether or not they want to play 3rd party games.

Secondly, the Crypto Gambling foundation seal was removed from the landing page (when logged out of site) but for some reason still remains for logged in users. It's going to be removed though.

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say  suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough  documentation for average user to be able to verify results

For dice game, I can confirm it's provably fair but other games I am not sure. And yes signature squad make them worsen overtime (not including the initial phase which the casino need them to spread the brand to people) and since they will just defend it regardless of the true status and true gamblers needs, they will just lose users overtime. But don't worry, there are enough budget for the team to have another 2 years to make thing change before spending all of their USD reserve, so that if you are a gambler, stay with dice game which is more or less enough fair, and if you are the investor or having any form of benefit from the casino, just don't worry for now lol.

I agree signature campaign users shouldn't defend the site about anything and everything blindly but then again we have never even told them to say good things about the site. They are free to post whatever they want.

Then again I don't see what ground breaking revelation this is because things haven't changed much regarding the game selection etc. in a while (apart from addition of sports betting).

[Juggy777]

Sorry, I didn't see these before so I've not been here before to comment.

Firstly we don't really claim that each of our games are provably fair. I don't see the problem with anyone having a choice whether or not they want to play 3rd party games.

Secondly, the Crypto Gambling foundation seal was removed from the landing page (when logged out of site) but for some reason still remains for logged in users. It's going to be removed though.

User base is at all time low...
They are not advertising anywhere since ICO finished in ICO period blog was regularly updated, they listened to suggestions now silence and if you say  suggestion or ask them anything their signature squad will defend even if it is just feedback
They do not deserve CGF seal until all games they provide are provably fair with good enough  documentation for average user to be able to verify results

For dice game, I can confirm it's provably fair but other games I am not sure. And yes signature squad make them worsen overtime (not including the initial phase which the casino need them to spread the brand to people) and since they will just defend it regardless of the true status and true gamblers needs, they will just lose users overtime. But don't worry, there are enough budget for the team to have another 2 years to make thing change before spending all of their USD reserve, so that if you are a gambler, stay with dice game which is more or less enough fair, and if you are the investor or having any form of benefit from the casino, just don't worry for now lol.

I agree signature campaign users shouldn't defend the site about anything and everything blindly but then again we have never even told them to say good things about the site. They are free to post whatever they want.

Then again I don't see what ground breaking revelation this is because things haven't changed much regarding the game selection etc. in a while (apart from addition of sports betting).

As @Boxxob represents Bitdice official support and he has clarified their stand, I would like you’ll to know the truth about signature campaigners too. It’s public knowledge that we get paid for wearing their signature, but we are never told to sugar coat our posts in favour of bitdice or attack anyone who posts against it. I’m not aware of how other signature campaigns work, but I remember making a factually wrong statement during a competition of Bitdice and @boxxob promptly messaged me and made me understand why it was wrong and asked me to immediately change it. All the Bitdice signature campaigners only have to follow the rules listed here, unless you’re aware of some other rules please bring it forward.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1697546.0

[TwitchySeal]

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever.  And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything.  But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh.  Sad. 

[Ringg]

Glad to see an organization such as this in the gambling scene.
I think while striving for transparency and provable fairness with the gambling scene is a great thing,
You should also be transparent as possible with the approval process so when users see a site with the operator seal it's evident exactly what standards they're put up against.

[BoXXoB]

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever.  And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything.  But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh.  Sad. 

While I understand your point, there's nothing secret about it and it certainly isn't a new thing. It's a question of being able to provide a wide selection of games while still offering provably fair options. We don't believe giving an option harms anyone.

[leea-1334]

Good to see the recent developments in discussing one of the members here up there, and I think everyone can appreciate when owners and representatives are also upfront about what is going on. This is good for the entire industry.

I did see that there is 1 name in that list that has relaunched several times since I have been around though. Never been a personal victim but I have seen all the complaints and some of them look,,, quite bad. I think outstanding accusations about members should also be left,,,

Good job on everything guys, whoever you are.

[TwitchySeal]

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever.  And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything.  But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh.  Sad. 

While I understand your point, there's nothing secret about it and it certainly isn't a new thing. It's a question of being able to provide a wide selection of games while still offering provably fair options. We don't believe giving an option harms anyone.

What is the house edge for each game?  Are you able to verify it?

Can it be changed?

Would the provider be able to change the game without you knowing?

Do you have access to the source code?

[JollyGood]

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever.  And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything.  But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh.  Sad. 

While I understand your point, there's nothing secret about it and it certainly isn't a new thing. It's a question of being able to provide a wide selection of games while still offering provably fair options. We don't believe giving an option harms anyone.

Could you kindly explain what is the exact definition of "Absolutely Fair Games" as stated on your website?

Thank you

[BoXXoB]

I know Boxxo is a good guy that's been around forever.  And I'm not saying Bitdice is a scam or anything.  But going from one of the more transparent, respected, provably fair sites to hosting someone else's non-provably-fair, mystery-server games run by a company that answers to nobody is...ughh.  Sad. 

While I understand your point, there's nothing secret about it and it certainly isn't a new thing. It's a question of being able to provide a wide selection of games while still offering provably fair options. We don't believe giving an option harms anyone.

What is the house edge for each game?  Are you able to verify it?

Can it be changed?

Would the provider be able to change the game without you knowing?

Do you have access to the source code?

You probably know the answer to most of these questions. As I said, we don't claim that all of our games are provably fair. With third-party games it boils down to whether the user trusts the provider or not. We cannot guarantee most of what you are asking although we try to make sure we don't have games from providers known to run a shady business. As I said, we provide an option and it's up to the user what they choose. There are players who would rather play third-party games simply because of the wide selection.

Now, I didn't give exact answers to your questions because I don't handle the technical side of the site so I am only able to give answers to what I know.

The questions you are asking could be directed to a bunch of sites. As I have said, we're going to remove the seal from the site but again, that cannot be done by me so I've got to wait until it's handled by someone else. I would understand all of these questions if I were claiming all of our games are provably fair  but I'm not claiming that so I don't understand the reason behind such a sudden burst of questions.

[riverdip]

i applied listing for my website, its open source and fairness verfication

still no reply after a week

are you only listing website owned by you and your friends ?  i thought this was open organisation.

[JollyGood]

Well if the games are not Provably Fair then how can be described as Absolutely Fair Games ?

It states "Absolutely Fair Games" on the Bitdice website but what is the definition?

What is the house edge for each game?  Are you able to verify it?

Can it be changed?

Would the provider be able to change the game without you knowing?

Do you have access to the source code?

You probably know the answer to most of these questions. As I said, we don't claim that all of our games are provably fair. With third-party games it boils down to whether the user trusts the provider or not. We cannot guarantee most of what you are asking although we try to make sure we don't have games from providers known to run a shady business. As I said, we provide an option and it's up to the user what they choose. There are players who would rather play third-party games simply because of the wide selection.

Now, I didn't give exact answers to your questions because I don't handle the technical side of the site so I am only able to give answers to what I know.

The questions you are asking could be directed to a bunch of sites. As I have said, we're going to remove the seal from the site but again, that cannot be done by me so I've got to wait until it's handled by someone else. I would understand all of these questions if I were claiming all of our games are provably fair  but I'm not claiming that so I don't understand the reason behind such a sudden burst of questions.

[bitbunnny]

Good to see the recent developments in discussing one of the members here up there, and I think everyone can appreciate when owners and representatives are also upfront about what is going on. This is good for the entire industry.

I did see that there is 1 name in that list that has relaunched several times since I have been around though. Never been a personal victim but I have seen all the complaints and some of them look,,, quite bad. I think outstanding accusations about members should also be left,,,

Good job on everything guys, whoever you are.

Yes, some progress is visible. It seems that business owners don't care only about profit but that transparency and fair game as well as legitimacy also matter. That is the progress for whole gaming industry and I'm glad that awarness is rising.
Personaly I wasn't a scam victim but it's terrible when you find yourself in such situation unprotected.

[Kakmakr]

I see a lot of people in this thread that are raising issues with gambling operators or people who used to operate gambling sites, being affiliated with this foundations. I personally think you need these people to form part of this foundation, because they know the key details or most practical aspects of these operations and they know how these people are cheating the system. 

I see some other sites claiming to use expert lawyers to fight these sites, but a lawyer does not know the tricks of the trade and how to determine if a system is provably fair or not. A lot of these gambling operators know some coding too, so they can evaluate gambling scripts and see where the cheating are done in the code.    < If it is Open source >

I have always said that the policing should come from the people within the community and not from some third party organization from outside. The government organizations and employees are usually targeted for bribes, so we cannot trust them.