Black, Cedivad.  Black is the proper color for SFOish tech gurus in the making.  Blue is for guys that still shop at Wal-Mart.

Anybody really from Austin can tell you that 11130 Jollyville Rd. is located in California.

Somebody please tell the dude in the middle to change his t-shirt. 

And will somebody puh-leeze tell Eduardo to take that damn masturbator out of his ear, at least for photos?

Then you are probably in good shape unless you live in some huge-assed place with electric heat, and charge electric cars, dry your clothes, run a half dozen hair dryers all the time, and have 89 inch tube TV.  

A home wiring book will explain all this, it's really not as complicated as it seems.

If you stick to 120v....:

Remember that anybody might have put either a 15 amp or a 20 amp breaker on the same 120v circuit, but that circuit might be more appropriate for 15 than 20, when the size of wire and/or ratings of outlets are taken into consideration. So the existing breaker size doesn't necessarily give you the information you need if you are thinking about constantly running the circuit at or near max.

I would have 12 ga. wire on a 120v 20 amp circuit that I was going to push hard, and not spindly smaller stuff, and I would aim for that circuit to be dedicated to a single outlet.  That's ideal.  (Obviously you need 10 ga if you move up to 240v.)

What else you have on the same circuit matters!  You can't run max load on one outlet while another outlet on the same circuit controls, say, the dishwasher... or you plug a vacuum cleaner into it!  If you do that, then you may pop the circuit.

Space on your breaker board doesn't necessarily mean you have that much unused overhead in your service.  What matters is the load you put on the overall house service - all your electric demand put together compared to your total house service.

If you want to know the amps of your overall service, locate the box where electric service enters your house.  There should be an indication there. You may need to open the box door and take a look at the 'big breaker' there.

If you've got the ability, I think D&T's suggestion makes sense.  Personally, I've got a few solid 120v circuits on new 12 ga copper (which I wired myself!) that don't have a lot of load on them, so I plan to run a couple of miners on them, rather than going to 240v.

I think they just hooked up the oscilloscope leads to the shriveled rump that is Icebreaker's brain.  Garbage in, garbage out.

The terms of sale are those posted at the date of the sale.  Subsequent changes apply to subsequent purchases.  Point being:  The TOS applicable to your purchase is the TOS at the time of your purchase.

In my case there was one TOS on the website on my day of purchase, and another appended to my order confirmation.  

They can't change the terms of sale after the fact.

Present estimated Hashfast fraud score for 1st batch customers (by Hanlon's Razor):  

Incompetence:  3  |  Malice: 1

Still doesn't mean that they can't make up for it all... if they decide to.

As to the 72 degree ambient temperature bullshit... BWAHH! 

We have a "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity" situation. We just don't have enough data to know the correct explanation.

On the one hand, to me, the statements about being "on track" for October when they were clearly not suggest malice.

On the other hand, all this inept fumbling around with their message - the relationships with Taco, CypherDoc, the odd appearance and disappearance of official reps, and other things (e.g. the signature raffle of a BJ) - suggest stupidity.

Which is it?  I'm still not sure, but I think we'll find out on about December 31st.

Comprehensive information on substrates, from Rev. Jim White:

http://www.amazon.com/Drill-Hole-That-Substrate-Tell/dp/B00026WT6A

I'm mildly more optimistic now and hope Hashfast keeps posting updates.  Regularly.  On-topic.   Maybe since they apparently tested the BJ with two chips, that means they'll ship with two chips. 

But to answer your question, RoadStress, if it's really all bullshit, I've done a mockup of Hashfast's next image update:

Yup.

One or two sentence on topic update...  I really don't care if somebody got the flu or if they need to install a new printer driver.

Not mine. Wonder how many permutations there are.  

Just like all the different TOS versions.  The one posted on the site on the day I bought is different than the one appended to my order confirmation (yes, I have it saved).  

I think they kind of screwed some of this stuff up from the beginning, and imagine that there's inconsistency in many places.

All unimportant, however, if they do their first batch shareholders customers whatever right.  We'll see.

Hard to take seriously without additional data.  Who want to pose as Boss Hogg and give them a call, demanding terms on 500 boards yesterday?

The Hashfast order confirmation says "59 BTC"?

I paid in USD and my order confirmation is denominated in USD.  For people that paid in BTC, what does your order confirmation say?

I was up in Norway last year, way up in Norway, and flew back to Oslo with a big bunch of the crew of the Oden, the Swedish icebreaker. They were nice guys.  Tough, but nice.  This icebreaker we have around here gives them a bad name, because he's just nothing but quarrelsome.

I just want to say that every time I read this thread my faith in humanity is restored.

There is that, and there are also contradictory statements and suggestions, sometimes together in the same document.  And people are rounding these up.

What I've said, and which the trolls consistently misstate is "if there is litigation with Hashfast, it will be about the MPP".   All these legal eagles, proud of how sharp they think they are, especially with interpretation of legal text ... yes, you know the ones...  these guys apparently can't actually read, because they think that "if there is litigation with Hashfast, it will be about the MPP" means, "I'm gonna sue Hashfast because I know I can win a big judgement against them."  

Folks that can't tell the difference between those two statements can go back to English 101, and should definitely reconsider their self-assigned legal credentials.

Anyway, I'm not sure what my personal strategy would be if, at the end of the day, even with the MPP, I still don't ROI.  I would consider joining a lawsuit or arbitration at that time (which isn't yet), if I thought it had a chance, and I don't think it's a cut and dry situation either way. For example, there are indications of what might be called fraud with respect to timing of chip delivery. It's not that time yet, though.  

I think I would mainly think of more creative ways to put pressure on the company.  It's a less than ideal outcome, but, for example, if I feel assured that the company had to spend enough money to counteract bad publicity generated so as to make their sale to me unprofitable for them.... there's a modicum of justice in that.

But as I've taken pains to point out, I still hold out hope that Hashfast will prove themselves to be straight up guys (and gals, I guess), and will proactively address the problem when they ship.  In which case, everybody's happy and Hashfast's reputation is enhanced.

That sounds like a challenge, and if it was Hashfast that issued it, I'd get to work.  

But it's only some little small-brained pedant board troll who doesn't understand that you can put whatever the fuck you want in 70 pages of click-wrap, declare the moon to be made of green cheese, and exert a right to a blowjob from your daughter, but that doesn't mean it's enforceable, either in law or in public opinion and perception of the business selling the product.

We'll see when the time comes.

What's your point?  

You can go read the MPP yourself if you are confused about it.