Are they just stupid or were they being paid to be scummy?

Why is this true?

Because they claim to be a singapore operation?

because ions aren't actually anything?

What reason could they give that insider trading laws don't apply to this that would also make you think it's a good investment?

The difference with sports betting, which is why it is a better option than other games, is that the edge is variable in sports betting.

On a roulette wheel, the casino knows exactly what the odds of the ball landing on number 7 are, so they pay out less than that.

In sports betting, no one knows exactly what the odds of the giants beating the redskins tomorrow. the house has an edge because they are smart and tell you that they are planning to take a cut out of th emoney coming in, but it is much more likely for a sports line to be wrong than to find a broken roulette wheel in a casino.

What do I know?

I know mr coins spent a lot of time convince suckers to buy xpy.

I know that mr coins is spending lots of time convincing people to buy ion.

According to his story, he was an innocent victim who was scammed by garza.

If he was an innocent victim, it's because he wasn't smart enough to realize that hashlets didn't exist and that none of the xpy plans/claims/promises that garza made a lick of sense.

What I want to know is how he is so sure ION is a good investment when it's obvious now that xpy was a bad investment. I also would like to know why people that lost money due to xpy and/or mr coins' shilling of it are so welcoming to him now after he caused so much damage in the past.

Has mr. coins explained what he learned from "getting scammed" that lead him to believe that this a good investment?

Still REALLY unsure why anyone would trust someone dumb enough to get robbed by Garza to have a valid opinion on any sort of coin, but what do I know?

Is he really claiming that he was just a naive idiot with GAW and not someone trying a pump and dump and/or a paid shill?

Betting on both sides is pretty stupid unless the odds change over time or are different on different sites so you can guarantee yourself a victory.

Or if you do something like Team A -8, Team B +10 so there is a middle where you can win both bets possibly.

Brilliant business plan.

Leave typos and inaccuracies everyone to spite some "trolls," I'm sure that will really help take this thing to the next level.

Mr coins is a victim too?

That's great.

Continue to act like the GAW fiasco was the fault of only one person and be shocked  when similar results happen again, I'll be sitting here with my popcorn. Thanks for the laughs.

I had no losses, because I knew that hashlets didn't exist because they couldn't prove they existed on the blockchain.

No comment on a guy from Texas lying about running a company in singapore in terms of ill  content?

Also, why are they so welcoming of Mr coins whosee nonsense caused them so many losses?

A guy in Texas claiming to be running a company in singapore but being unable to prove it seems like I'll intent to me.

I also can't think of any positive reasons to become business partners with someone who is very responsible for me losing 6 figures in a scam.

Then again, I'm not smart enough to believe hashlets were real so it's clear that you geniuses are working at a level above the one I am able to comprehend.

Has fear, uncertainty, and doubt ever derailed a legitimate operation?

I really don't get it, I've seen lots of scammers accuse other people of that, but I don't recall any legitimate operation caring about that. It's probably because fear, uncertainty, and doubt can't destroy tangible profits and results.

If you don't get any answers this time, I would suggest trying during business hours in singapore, you know, since this is a totally legitimate operation there.

As a sidenote, this is one of the problems with having the main information channel be a free slack channel. Things disappear, a forum where questions and answers can live forever has it's benefits.

There is certainly house edge in sports betting. It's "better" because they don't know exactly what the odds of an event happening are, but if they calculate a team to have a 50% chance of winning, they will make the payout less than 2x, and that is house edge.

There is a possibility that you can make a good bet while betting on sports, which means that it is possible to make money doing it.

You cannot make a good bet on a roulette table or a dice site. They are all mathematically bad bets, and it can be proven that they are bad bets.

Since we don't know the exact probability of an event happening in sports, we can't know definitively that a bet is a bad bet. If the bookie thinks that team A has a 50% chance of winning, and in reality they have a 60% chance of winning, and you know that, you can make a good bet.

That just isn't possible in other types of gambling. Whatever you are betting on, the house knows the odds of you winning, and pays you out less than they should. They don't KNOW the odds of a team winning, so they have to guess, and they can guess wrong, and then people can make money.

i never said garza has anything to do with this. I said and have been saying that team ion is doing some of the things that allowed him to fuck you over, and you seem to be ignoring it.

i have not only done business with nice people, but that's not what I'm saying. I'm not saying that Mordica isn't nice. I'm saying that mordica is VERY responsible for Matlack losing 6 figures, yet somehow he thought it was a good idea to become partners with him right away? that doesn't make sense. Either someone is lying or stupid.

let's try again.

your 6 month ejector seat plan is based on everyone having the same motivation as you. It will take you 6 months to get out because you paid for your ions and just selling them all right now will result in you ending up with less usable money/coins than you started with.

That logic does not apply to everyone, because there are people that have large amounts of ions that they paid zero for. i bring up Garza because this is literally the exact same way he fucked you over a year ago, and you are giving someone the chance to do it again. he screwed you by dumping the premine and all the coins he took in to "run" hashlets and stakers, and now you are dealing with a coin that has a huge premine and the team getting free coins from running stakers.

the math for team ION to make a profit by dumping the coins they earn by running stakers is not the same as the math for you to make a profit selling ions that you paid for because you bought your ions, and they created theirs out of thin air.

to do that you have to trust that the people running the stakers (free coins for them) and all the other people who didn't put in any actual money or coins won't try to bail before you, and that goes back to the major problem with all of this.

Garza fucked you guys because he was a scumbag, but he was able to fuck you so thoroughly because he had a zillion free coins that cost him nothing that he was able to dump to get real coins/money.

Now you guys are letting a guy  that thought it was a good idea to work with joe mordica have how many free coins?

Wow!!!

Like $1000 volume during a BTC pump and dump that left the price right back at 15 cents per coin (which is the price at the time it was when you posted that old picture) good try captain shill.

Edit: More looking at the chart, Jesus what a mess.

.4 btc spent pumping, someone sells about 5.4 ION (for .001 btc) and the price is right back down where it was. Buy 150 ion to raise the price, sell 6 and it's back down.

Nothing is actually happening, there is just so little interest in the coin that tiny purchases make huge noise on charts.

They are not dumping at the moment, but the fact that they can would scare the shit out of me. remember the damage done instant that Garza dumped a zillion coins in order to get the actual usable money to make the 3 purchases that were made in coinstand beta? That was possible because no one cared that he had a zillion coins that he paid nothing for. I don't know what will happen (if anything) to cause team ION to do something like that, but that doesn't change the fact that they have the possibility to do that. The stakers give them literally free ions. What are they going to do with them? Why do they need them? How do they benefit you?

You keep putting the whole thing on Garza's narcissism and cleverness while ignoring HOW he was able to screw so many people over. Now, you say you got out before the paycoin shenanigans really started, so this may be news to you, but I see similarities with the way GAW ran that lead to losses, and the way that ION is running that may lead to losses.

GAW refused to show proof on the blockchain that hashlets existed, this allowed them to take in more money than he should have. Similarly, team ION is not using the blockchain to show where all the funds that you guys gave them are, or what funds they contributed themselves, which makes it impossible to keep track of what is actually going on. Did they actually put any money in to get their ION, did they even turn in their XPY that was supposed to get burned (and still hasn't as far as i know)?

The other problem that lead to lots of losses as GAW went into paycoinland, is the insane number of coins that Garza got for nothing (from the premine and prime controllers) and the damage he did to the price dumping those coins. Do you know how many IONS the team has? what about the free coins that they get from stakers? Since the stakers are not coded into the coin like they were with paycoin, the only way stakers make sense is that when a customer "puts" 2000 coins in a staker, team ION puts those coins into one of their masternodes to generate more than the 15%apr. So more free coins for the team. And what exactly are they going to do with those coins? Do they need them to play the games they are making? Or are they just going to dump them onto others? You trust them not to dump those free coins onto your head, but why even get into a situation where they have the ability to amass so many free coins?

You never know someone's true intentions so it's impossible to be 100% sure you aren't going to get robbed, but you can reduce your odds of getting robbed by staying out of certain situations. This just has too many ways for it go wrong.