Crickets...
It seem those two questions stumped our ultra ION shills.
Not really, I just can't be arsed to either do some digging around or to respond to people whose motives are driven by ill intent.
PlusWhat little time I have has been spent playing/alpha testing Gravity, you know that piece of vapourware  Here are some questions for you to ponder What is Ionomy ? a) Charity b) Business What do Charities/Business's need to survive a) Money b) Money What keeps your PC switched on a) Money b) Money Come on be honest now.... why have you been here for so long trying to expose the scam that it isn't. Paycoin went from zero to scam in 3 months. Ionomy is now 7 months old soon to release their first game......... why hate ? You not realizing/being able to admit that GAW was a scam from the beginning really makes you an unreliable source on the trustworthiness of anyone/anything. You do realise that you've pretty much covered everyone that regularly posts on this thread, Suchmoon being one example. I guess your lack of reading comprehension explains how you got robbed and how you will get robbed again. Suchmoon, and many others saw paycoin as a scam from the second it was announced. Many people who fell for various parts of Garza's scam now readily admit that it was a scam from day 1. If you think paycoin became a scam 3 months into that part of the venture you are a moron of epic proportions. |
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Crickets...
It seem those two questions stumped our ultra ION shills.
Not really, I just can't be arsed to either do some digging around or to respond to people whose motives are driven by ill intent.
PlusWhat little time I have has been spent playing/alpha testing Gravity, you know that piece of vapourware Here are some questions for you to ponder What is Ionomy ? a) Charity b) Business What do Charities/Business's need to survive a) Money b) Money What keeps your PC switched on a) Money b) Money Come on be honest now.... why have you been here for so long trying to expose the scam that it isn't. Paycoin went from zero to scam in 3 months. Ionomy is now 7 months old soon to release their first game......... why hate ? You not realizing/being able to admit that GAW was a scam from the beginning really makes you an unreliable source on the trustworthiness of anyone/anything. |
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Also still no answer on why they don't know or care about the free coins the team gets via running the staker program, unless they have another explanation as to where those coins are coming from.
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ION is a blockchain based decentralized cryptocurrency that rewards network participation via static proof of stake. ION rewards "connectivity age" instead of “coin age,” thus eliminating abuse from exchanges and users that do not actively contribute to the network. By having a static reward system, the rewards for participation are proportional to the work every active node contributes. This discourages centralization and promotes network health. In addition to static rewards, ION implements a masternode network to incentivize large holders, and perform advanced functions such as near instant and private transactions.
The long term vision for ION is a thriving cryptocurrency ecosystem centered on gaming and digital goods.
How many masternodes does the team own? And encouraging everyone to buy stakers is giving all the control to TeamION...centralized. @CryptoBuds I think you are very confused because there is no TeamION! ION is a POS coin that has developers supporting and maintaining the new coin... Masternodes are setup by the user when the user has 20K IONs to stake and shares in the blockchain rewards... Semantics. How many masternodes does the team own? How much of the premine is in masternodes? How many free coins is the team minting? And don't tell me there is no team. That's a blatant fucking lie and I'm not confused. You're the one looking through rose colored glasses. But you're in too deep to actually want to ask critical questions. You're nothing by a shill that comes up with every excuse to not answer questions. Masternodes are decentralized and maintain by users with an ION wallet. Here is a screen shot showing that there is currently 151 ION Masternodes in the system.  I didn't ask how many masternodes there were total, quit dancing around the question. How many masternodes does the "team" control? Or whomever controls the premine, since you enjoy the word games. The only team that advertises their masternodes is the Community Masternode Project which is displayed below in the current payout: Here is some blockchain information for the last Community Node Payout on 10 October. MN1 Payout (iYQmYLTngqQHeVQzf3nZdDSAYW1wMmD9qC) - 253.0 IONs MN2 Payout (iZiGkguV1JiFGCvyCKTPoWSikn5rDcT6Wg) - 471.50151 IONs MN3 Payout (iiTsA1KMktJgmddiij8kADiak3LKBZyjm2) - 483.00052 IONs MN4 Payout (iigQptDvFfiTgSiJz1qfJKqxrdzuyJ7jTR) - 460.00107 IONs MN5 Payout (iUC8pCRCnKi4eA7mV38W2TLSopfWWoFdJ4) - 264.500015 IONs Total Payout - 1932.003115 IONs Daily Average Masternode Reward - 55.200089 IONs @ 14 cents = $7.73 dollars Minus 1% Pool Fee - 1912.68308385 IONs by 2000 shares = 0.956341541925 IONs per Share
The payout for the MNs reflect a 7 day sum. For more information on the payout, visit http://www.iontalk.net/t/masternode-status-for-10-october/243So the core team refuses to disclose their masternodes? The masternodes that are filled with a bunch of unaccountable FREE coins. This project wreaks, especially with WildShill as the vocal face of ION. Are you going to use your Garza lawyer to force Team Ionomy to disclose their masternodes? or tell you the name of their team? you can file the complaint against the core team... Wildshark, do you have at least a little idea about the reason we keep asking for the number and the addresses of the masternodes that belong to Team Ionomy? Any idea why an investment in ION is an absolute no-go as long as the team masternodes of a premined coin with hyperinflating "nodes" are kept secret? Come on, Wildshark, take a wild guess, it's really not that hard to figure it out. Why do you think we believe this information should be disclosed? It has been released that the bounty/premine coins are not in masternodes and are sitting in staking wallet.. Why is it so hard to prove that? the entire point of crypto is that we don't have to take people's word and can see everything on the blockcain? Even if it's true that the bounty coins aren't in masternodes, what about the free coins that team ION gets by putting the coins that are in "stakers" into masternodes? There is no "free coins" when IONs are placed in stakers. The staking wallet or masternodes competes (known as mining) for each block reward with everyone in the system based on the blockchain algorithm define in the ION white paper @ https://ionomy.com/about/whitepaperSo where does my 15% APR come from when I "load" a "staker" (quotation marks because they are not things that exist) with 1000 coins? Is team Ion going to give me coins from the premine? Or are they going to take those 1000 coins, stake them (either in a regular wallet or a masternode) and pay me 15% APR and keep the rest? |
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ION is a blockchain based decentralized cryptocurrency that rewards network participation via static proof of stake. ION rewards "connectivity age" instead of “coin age,” thus eliminating abuse from exchanges and users that do not actively contribute to the network. By having a static reward system, the rewards for participation are proportional to the work every active node contributes. This discourages centralization and promotes network health. In addition to static rewards, ION implements a masternode network to incentivize large holders, and perform advanced functions such as near instant and private transactions.
The long term vision for ION is a thriving cryptocurrency ecosystem centered on gaming and digital goods.
How many masternodes does the team own? And encouraging everyone to buy stakers is giving all the control to TeamION...centralized. @CryptoBuds I think you are very confused because there is no TeamION! ION is a POS coin that has developers supporting and maintaining the new coin... Masternodes are setup by the user when the user has 20K IONs to stake and shares in the blockchain rewards... Semantics. How many masternodes does the team own? How much of the premine is in masternodes? How many free coins is the team minting? And don't tell me there is no team. That's a blatant fucking lie and I'm not confused. You're the one looking through rose colored glasses. But you're in too deep to actually want to ask critical questions. You're nothing by a shill that comes up with every excuse to not answer questions. Masternodes are decentralized and maintain by users with an ION wallet. Here is a screen shot showing that there is currently 151 ION Masternodes in the system. I didn't ask how many masternodes there were total, quit dancing around the question. How many masternodes does the "team" control? Or whomever controls the premine, since you enjoy the word games. The only team that advertises their masternodes is the Community Masternode Project which is displayed below in the current payout: Here is some blockchain information for the last Community Node Payout on 10 October. MN1 Payout (iYQmYLTngqQHeVQzf3nZdDSAYW1wMmD9qC) - 253.0 IONs MN2 Payout (iZiGkguV1JiFGCvyCKTPoWSikn5rDcT6Wg) - 471.50151 IONs MN3 Payout (iiTsA1KMktJgmddiij8kADiak3LKBZyjm2) - 483.00052 IONs MN4 Payout (iigQptDvFfiTgSiJz1qfJKqxrdzuyJ7jTR) - 460.00107 IONs MN5 Payout (iUC8pCRCnKi4eA7mV38W2TLSopfWWoFdJ4) - 264.500015 IONs Total Payout - 1932.003115 IONs Daily Average Masternode Reward - 55.200089 IONs @ 14 cents = $7.73 dollars Minus 1% Pool Fee - 1912.68308385 IONs by 2000 shares = 0.956341541925 IONs per Share
The payout for the MNs reflect a 7 day sum. For more information on the payout, visit http://www.iontalk.net/t/masternode-status-for-10-october/243So the core team refuses to disclose their masternodes? The masternodes that are filled with a bunch of unaccountable FREE coins. This project wreaks, especially with WildShill as the vocal face of ION. Are you going to use your Garza lawyer to force Team Ionomy to disclose their masternodes? or tell you the name of their team? you can file the complaint against the core team... Wildshark, do you have at least a little idea about the reason we keep asking for the number and the addresses of the masternodes that belong to Team Ionomy? Any idea why an investment in ION is an absolute no-go as long as the team masternodes of a premined coin with hyperinflating "nodes" are kept secret? Come on, Wildshark, take a wild guess, it's really not that hard to figure it out. Why do you think we believe this information should be disclosed? It has been released that the bounty/premine coins are not in masternodes and are sitting in staking wallet.. Why is it so hard to prove that? the entire point of crypto is that we don't have to take people's word and can see everything on the blockcain? Even if it's true that the bounty coins aren't in masternodes, what about the free coins that team ION gets by putting the coins that are in "stakers" into masternodes? Did you not learn from xpy how giving someone large amounts of free coins is a bad idea? |
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Are you going to use your Garza lawyer to force Team Ionomy to disclose their masternodes? or tell you the name of their team? you can file the complaint against the core team...
Holy crap that makes no sense. Yes, he's going to use Garza's lawyer that tried to sue him to get Team Ionomy to disclose their masternodes, that's exactly what is going to happen. Definitely not going to sit back and make fun of you, going to reach out to people who tried to sue him via pm to sue someone else for information that you would be asking for/demanding if you had half a clue. |
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Shark, why are you encouraging people to start new masternodes?
Don't more masternodes make yours less valuable? Isn't that confirmed by the drop in the daily average masternode reward?
how does me starting a masternode hep you? All I can come up with is that you are hoping you can unload some of your bags to me while I gather the 20k to start a masternode.
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the question korvas, is why don't you care?
If you want to give them a year, that's your right, but I really don't get it. If it's no big deal why did they claim it? Why can't they do it? Why do you trust these people?
From that website of atom holders if its accurate korvas is #1 holder/#1 whale in their terms. Its just natural with the amount invested that korvas is going to be less likely to review and acknowledge info contrary to how deep he's in. These gaming specific coins just don't work. Voxels failed misserably and thats done by halsey minor (spelling?) who actually has business sense or rather did in the past. Huey has no real experience nor skillset in IT/computing so that makes it even worse of potential investment in my books. Nobody wants or needs a gaming coin. Take voxels... the official currency of virtual reality.. who made it official? its official because they said its official. Nobody wants more currency and gaming currency just because the name says it is. People want services and platforms that use existing currencies. The only reason to make a currency now is to milk some cash from ico's etc. There is literally hundreds of currencies out there that can be used to launch your product with and im sure one fits what you need, shit you only really have to find an active dev one and a block time that suits. By doing this you don't have to worry about the burden of broken wallets etc and can focus on the product. So because others did not work scrap the idea? Interesting judgement. " Voxels failed misserably and thats done by halsey minor (spelling?) who actually has business sense or rather did in the past."
Maybe he should have stuck to "business" and not "cryptocoins". "Huey has no real experience nor skillset in IT/computing so that makes it even worse of potential investment in my books."This one is my favorite, Can you point us to some proof of your claim that he does not have any skillset in this it/computing space? Being stupid enough to believe hashlets existed puts the burden of proof of proving competence in the area of cryptocurrency onto mr matlack I believe |
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the question korvas, is why don't you care?
If you want to give them a year, that's your right, but I really don't get it. If it's no big deal why did they claim it? Why can't they do it? Why do you trust these people?
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Every time I read mrcoins' nonsense I wonder how anyone claiming to be intelligent would be on the same side as him with anything.
How was he unable to see the facts because of our "fud" which happened to be true?
How on earth did us saying we don't believe hashlets exist because they don't make any fucking sense and because there was zero evidence of them existing somehow make it impossible to see that there was no evidence of them existing?
How can anyone believing in ion do so when mrcoins says it's a good idea?
If he said the earth was round I would have to do hours of research to confirm/convince myself of something i've known for years. How can anyone trust his thoughts on a coin?
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Name me one company in Crypto that provides the level of information your looking for that I can use as a benchmark If you refuse to even consider any question that could potentially have a bullshit answer then you're deliberately missing pretty much any kind of warning signs. Not that it's any news but still highly amusing to see you use the "in crypto" excuse over and over and over. What does it even mean? Common sense should be turned off? Because crypto?No, what it means is you can be bullshited to and I less likely My references to crypto aren't an excuse they are an acknowledgement of the environment something you choose to ignore That GIF of yourself at the bottom of your post.... I thought you were older LOL, yeah keep punting. You're the one supposedly done your homework to the point where you felt confident enough to invest in it. Except every time the question about due diligence comes up - "name me that", "show me this", "not sharing 'cause secrets". Pathetic. Somehow you ended up "bullshitted" by Garza though, while most of those whom you're arguing with here didn't. That shows that you are in fact MORE likely to be "bullshitted" because you refuse to even raise questions. Let's look at the possibilities: Don't ask a question - don't get an answer - doesn't help to make an informed choice. Ask a question - don't get an answer - helps to make an informed choice. Ask a question - get a bullshit answer - helps to make an informed choice. Ask a question - get a verifiable answer - helps to make an informed choice. Re ionomy - even if you think that I've been "bullshitted" on slack when I asked questions there - that's still a good thing to know for you or anyone else considering ION/ionomy as an investment. You're welcome. And I'm not ignoring anything, quite the opposite, I'm applying the same common sense whether I'm investing money in Netflix or into my friend's food truck or - God forbid - any of the new-fangled "crypto" thingies. Let me try again Name me one company in Crypto that provides the level of information your looking for that I can use as a benchmark[/quote none have provided the level of information I've been looking for. As a result I haven't lost money in any crytpo scams. |
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Awesome! You get to see and play the game early. You can then make the decision before the rest of the ION customers if it is good or not and buy or sell IONs before it hits the masses. Should be a rule that the people alpha testing can't buy or sell until half way through the beta period.
do you really think the people who missed all the typos and the volume bug on the internal market are going to be smart enough to evaluate this game? Yep So people too stupid to realize that garza is robbing them are smart enough to run a new coin to revolutionize mobile gaming. And their investors, who are too stupid to notice bugs staring them straight in the face are going to be able to test the program and find every issue down deep in the code of that system. it's really a shame i missed out on getting in on the ground floor because it's obvious that nothing can happen but a trip to the moon. Definitely, see it and then pass judgement And their investors, who are too stupid to notice bugs staring them straight in the face are going to be able to test the program and find every issue down deep in the code of that system.Not stupid just didn't care. Since when do you need to be a programmer to Alpha test a game.
it's really a shame i missed out on getting in on the ground floor because it's obvious that nothing can happen but a trip to the moon.Never to late........... In a multi billion dollar market you don't need to reach the moon to be successful, a piece of the pie is plenty You don't NEED to be a programmer to alpha test a game. I just am curious how effective that alpha testing will be when the people doing the testing didn't notice or didn't care about bugs staring them straight in the face. the point of testing games isn't to play them early, it's to try and break them, and this testing is going to be done by people who thought hashlets were real and didn't see/ignored bugs staring them directly in the face. |
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Awesome! You get to see and play the game early. You can then make the decision before the rest of the ION customers if it is good or not and buy or sell IONs before it hits the masses. Should be a rule that the people alpha testing can't buy or sell until half way through the beta period.
do you really think the people who missed all the typos and the volume bug on the internal market are going to be smart enough to evaluate this game? Yep So people too stupid to realize that garza is robbing them are smart enough to run a new coin to revolutionize mobile gaming. And their investors, who are too stupid to notice bugs staring them straight in the face are going to be able to test the program and find every issue down deep in the code of that system. it's really a shame i missed out on getting in on the ground floor because it's obvious that nothing can happen but a trip to the moon. |
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Awesome! You get to see and play the game early. You can then make the decision before the rest of the ION customers if it is good or not and buy or sell IONs before it hits the masses. Should be a rule that the people alpha testing can't buy or sell until half way through the beta period.
do you really think the people who missed all the typos and the volume bug on the internal market are going to be smart enough to evaluate this game? |
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How are ionites ok with this "local contact" excuse?
What is the reason for registering in singapore if they aren't really there?
Who is the contact?
What is the reason for the delay?
why rename a company that hasn't filed financial reports filed instead of starting from scratch?
is there any evidence connecting them to graval besides their word?
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Big thanks to the five fraudster's FUDsters that take time to post FUD at every opportunity I wonder how many of you are using this as a tactic to buy cheap ION Straight from the Paycoin book again: Crying "FUD" when people show the many red flags and crying "zOMG the fudsters just want to buy cheap paycoins themselves". Hilarious. Spoken like a true GAWtard. The whole of crypto is awash in a sea of red flags Where are the FACTS that prove ION is a scam Just one will do..... it's been 6+ months now so please share you keep looking for facts that prove it's a scam while ignoring all the evidence that it's a shitty investment if it somehow isn't a scam. just like you did with gaw. |
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Why do say I'm lying? There will be a closed Beta Testing of Gravity and look forward to you giving it a try and feedback the results in your Bitcoin ION FAQ for the benefit of the entire crypto and gaming community...
Let me try to use your style - with crayons, maybe that will work. As for beta, we'll cross that bridge once it's built. We've been waiting for it for 3 or 4 months now. Some more questions for you suchmoon from an angle I don't think has been asked. 1. How does ionomy intend to show transparency for electron purchases on app store to show it does go back to the market dollars to ion buybacks. Since its blockchainless and an asset how is it going to be shown that 33% of every dollar goes to the market. 2. What market is the money going back to? Assuming ionomy uses their own market, as a conflict of interest how do they intend to show transparency of received funds. Cryptsy has shown how figures can be fudged... trust us won't cut it. 3. What happens to the bought back ions. How is the team going to show they don't just dump them back to recover the 33% for their personal gain. Are they to burned? Are they to be used for bounties and rewards only? If so and whatever the path how do you intend to show openly this is indeed happening? 4. why don't the people invested in this think of these questions? |
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that press release and email is much more damning than the wsj horseshit.
Should be fun.
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Although the qntra post throws things back into the muck. Josh says "stuart says this" and a lack of responses from stuart.
not sure how hard it will be for fraser to argue he was conned also and didn't see a dime.
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Right here, another clear cut example: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/12/01/bitbeat-under-fire-gaw-miners-ceo-garza-takes-on-his-critics/As for the charge that GAW is a Ponzi scheme, Mr. Garza pointed out that his principal partner, Cantor Fitzgerald Vice Chairman Stuart Fraser, in whose name the patent for one of Wall Street’s most important bond trading programs is listed, has “got more to lose than all of us combined.” He added, “Why would a guy that already has a ton of money, and would get thrown in jail if he was involved in anything sketchy, be involved in a scam?” Nice words to rope everyone in to the fraud "partner" " principal partner" even, "founder" ... etc. so what was the public supposed to know back then? That was really, it was all white lies, there is and never was proof that Uncle Stu was nothing more than a hands off silent partner?  C'mon Mr. Judge. Got Uncle Stu changing that other press release to make it sound like he was more involved that he was. Which of course we all only find out now, long after the fact?? Q:
What is a principal partner?
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Quick Answer
A principal partner in a business is the partner that represents the firm. Usually, a principal partner's decisions are representative of the all the partner's interests, and often speaks on behalf on the entire firm.
Little White Lies, to lure in more money isn't fraud?  People can, and will, claim that the line in the wsj blog about Fraser's involvement is just as accurate as the information in those posts about the data center, how many bitcoins they had, and all the other horseshit involved. There's a huge difference between Fraser being intimately involved, and the guy saying that he had miners that could mine on 2 pools at once saying that they were involved. I don't remember what the emails said, and who knows what will be turned up in discovery, but pointing to a blog post that we all knew was full of bullshit the second it was posted probably isn't going to get anyone anywhere. |
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Still not sure how you can find that variance in the masternode payouts an acceptable risk.
seems crazy to me, not as crazy as believing hashlets were real, but still crazy.
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