There will be no new Newbie-jails. I recalled when theymos enhanced merit system, made demotion on zero-merit-earned old-era Junior members, he emphasized that the forum will no longer has newbie jails (rejection on further restrictions from community).
I don't see it as a problem if a few (thousand) users reach Jr. Member from Newbie, even though their posts aren't great. It's no longer hundreds of thousands of users, so the main flood was stopped.
Yes, theymos did a great job and I also remember his comments on this. But as I said above, and at the same time stressed several times that the topic of conversation, in particular, concerns the Altcoins section. Moderators are not ubiquitous, and "control" over spam and account farmers that are published in the Altcoins section should be implementing ICO and OP projects. This "Lock Newbie" feature is just a kind of spam control tool. And this has nothing to do with "Newbie-jails", because good beginners do not publish messages in the Altcoin section, they first start to understand the intricacies of the forum and communicate in those sections where they can learn something new for themselves. Or, for example, the theymos can make it so that newbies can post messages in the Altcoin section only when their posts are approved by the moderators. |
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Where you will suggest to apply "Lock newbie" function? In my understanding based on the statement above, it should be applied on the meta section. Correct me if I am wrong!!
I gave an example that prompted me to think. And below, as you can see, I emphasize several times that the topic of conversation in particular concerns the section of Altcoins. Despite the innovations in the Altcoins section, ..... Theymos's innovations don't touch the Meta
.... , in particular on the Altcoin board . '
Since there is little we can do against those Projects that choose this marketing method, .... It seems to me it was clear that I was talking about Announcements |
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1. Much as we are trying to fight spammers, bumping services and bots. It's also important to note that there are genuine new members out there just like you were at one point, and for the continuity of the forum, we shouldn't make life too hard for them. Some of them will be the future of the forum. The bumping rule that was introduced is good enough to fight the pointless bumping of threads using bumping services in a few selected boards where the practice was rampant.
2. Sometimes it's not just newbie accounts that are spammers, it could be Jr member or Member accounts. Does that mean even Jr Member and Member profiles to be should be blocked from posting in certain threads?
Well, initially the idea of blocking newbies only concerned the Altcoin section. And I doubt the good newbies you are referring to will first start posting in this section before they start grasping the intricacies of the forum. And I believe that the "control" over spam and account farmers that are published in this section should be carried out by ICO and OP projects. A decent project can easily understand the policy of the forum, so yes, the "Lock newbie" feature is just some kind of control tool. You must know that account rank doesn't always determine about post quality, there are many newbies with good post quality.
Don't forget that we don't fight Newbies but spammers. Not all spammers are newbies, they can be varied, even a legendary can make spam posts. In my opinion, it is more than enough to deal with the spammers by reporting them via "Report to moderator". I don't see any problems with this way so far.
Are you an active reporter? Would you like me to show you three threads of 500 one-line, meaningless messages from newbies, how long will it take you to report? Nobody is talking about adding this function to the meta section, this section is devoted to various questions on the forum. |
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The lack of self-moderation in the meta section prompted me to think about the need to add a "Lock newbie" function when creating new threads.
This proposal aims to improve the Enhanced newbie restrictions & requirements and touches all old and future threads. While this won't stop spam, it will definitely help. - Despite the innovations in the Altcoins section, the problem with "shitposters" and "bumping" still remains.
(It's not as effective as it used to be, but annoying nonetheless). - I think it will likely boost the average quality of content in posting.
- If someone is impatient then they should buy a copper membership and then they will automatically be whitelisted.
Since there is little we can do against those projects that choose this marketing method, such a decision can help all those who continue to make reports. It's pointless to report such accounts, because almost all of them are newbies and they would just make new account after getting ban to continue spam. Moderators are not ubiquitous, and "control" over spam and account farmers that are published in the Altcoins section should be implementing ICO and OP projects. This "Lock Newbie" feature is just a kind of spam control tool. And this has nothing to do with "Newbie-jails", because good beginners do not publish messages in the Altcoin section, they first start to understand the intricacies of the forum and communicate in those sections where they can learn something new for themselves. As far as the merit system is concerned, some tweaks are needed as the definition of a “ good” post is rather vague. Users (including sources of merit) are more likely to consider a post to be good when a thought matches their own opinion. I would also like to add that it would be better if it took 5 merit to achieve Jr Member. Writing a quality post and getting one merit to bypass the blocking is a fairly easy task.
If this proposal gets support it would be interesting to see how this affects the number of messages sent, in particular on the Altcoin board.
* Added some commentsThat's certainly true, but I sure as hell wouldn't mind having a "block newbie/Jr. Member/Member" button to select in the Currency Exchange section so I wouldn't have to include a local rule every time that half of them don't bother to read anyway.
- Newbie-jails has a chronogical history as below:
- The forum already has Ignore button.
- You can use it in various ways to ignore one user
- Click on Ignore line under avatar, username.
- Use Ignore list (in profile settings)
- Use Personal Message options to ignore PMs
Ignore listhttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=yourUID;sa=ignprefs
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=yourUID;sa=pmprefs
For last 2 methods, get it done by simply add username of the member you want to Ignore into a box, and click Change profile. |
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Actually, Satoshi created both bitcoin.org and a forum (earlier it was bitcoin.org/smf). Later, the forum had its own domain, which is why bitcoin.org and bitcointalk.org were linked. As far as I know, theymos and Cøbra used to jointly manage domain names. And Cøbra never took much part in the forum, so he left, so these sites should be considered independent from each other. |
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That is part of the opening sentence in the latest PM I received. He goes on to mention his merit count, and asks if I support this initiative of Theymos. They are getting quite creative with their merit begging.
You are confusing me because I do not understand why you distort the facts (exaggeration may be normal for you, but not for me). And before creating a thread, you could just clarify what message I was talking about, then you probably would have lost the desire to act out the drama. But undoubtedly some people got screwed by this, and if they have decent posts, by all means, give them the 250 or 500 merit that they need to rank-up.
As for PM... I was looking for a wiser interlocutor and asked for advice from some of the forum participants based on their judgments or the judgments of people from their circle of trust, since I trust them directly. Some of them kindly shared their thoughts on this matter, showing more or less relevant topics. And we have come to an agreement that there is no hard policy regarding users approaching a new rank and the threads discussed are more suited to DTs or people encouraging decent posts. Although now things are so that many simply ignore such threads. Yep, I got one unsolicited PM that I could barely make sense of, but it had to do with merits and I think the member was asking me to review his post history. I don't consider that merit begging and I actually don't mind if members send me PMs asking me to review their posts, but in this last case I deferred replying to the member since I had a hard time figuring out what he was asking exactly.
As for you, The Pharmacist, I have already answered above why I wrote to you. And it seemed obvious to me that you might be asked for advice, not because you might be a generous sender of merit, but because of your sober mind. And if my memory serves me, I also supported those users when I agreed with you and when you were empty. |
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Money is the reason why such people exist on this forum. Investment projects flood the Altcoins section every week, maybe daily, and most likely the vast majority of these ICOs are scams. theymos has already suggested that someone develop a certification process, but this idea was not crowned with success. P.S. It would be interesting if someone plagiarized the WP of HoweyCoins  |
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I read about this thread in Discord group. It is a nice idea and looking forward to vote for the nominees as soon as it's up!
Do you mean you will create 20 threads, one for each award and then use preferential-voting method to short list the candidates? 20 threads in my opinion will be too much mess. One thread is fine for voting. You can provide options for all 20 awards in single template inside code tags so the height of the replies will be limited to 20 lines even though the actual length of reply is more than 20 lines.
Thanks for the support. Not necessarily 20 topics, I have not yet come to a consensus with some of the respected forum participants which nominations will be included. Perhaps, there will be much less of them, given that in addition to the winner, the results for II and III places will be announced. When talking about closed topics, I meant that the names of the finalists will be placed on the first page (post 1, 2, 3, etc.). Users will be able to vote by specifying the merits under the post number with the name of the finalist in each category (or several). Single-thread voting can only take place if the template for nominating candidates is simultaneously considered a vote. (But then there will be a lot of finalists when counting the votes, which does not reflect the real support of the leading favorites). That is, we will have a kind of double tour |
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ANN Bumping using false noise is likely to be unsuccessful or fraudulent. Such projects are aimed at people who do not understand or do not want to take crypto too seriously.BAEXdApp: Topics is active
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Or you could just create a separate thread for users to post their votes, as was done here. Why make things more complicated than they need to be? └── The main thread is designed to describe the entire process and nominate candidates according to the template, (Including navigation through voting threads). 1. Moderator of the Year .......... Username
2. Cryptomaniac ................... Username
3. Ninja .......................... Username
4. And others ..................... Username After that, all applications that did not receive enough support will be discarded (A candidate is considered nominated if he received support from 3-5 users). ├── Thread "Ninja" ├── Thread "Cryptomaniac" ├── Thread "Moderator of the Year" └── And others Further down in each thread, I will publish the names that have received enough support and close the thread, (Post 1,2, etc). Each thread will have a convenient navigation system that redirects to each other. |
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Nice work, it would be great if someone took it upon themselves to merge all the blacklists and existing alt/scam/red-bases into one.  |
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Если вы прочитали эту историю то уже в курсе о таинственности десятой монеты. В нитях я раскопал сообщение от OgNasty в которых он заявляет что получал фотографии и предложение датированное 5м февраля 2015 года (что предположительно совпадает с временными рамками создания девяти других). Поиск сокровищ хотя может и невозможен но при этом все еще интересно чем закончиться эта история   |
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I decided that it would be useful to revive the thread a little. There is news, perhaps there is another voting option, (So as not to use the standard interface). In the meantime, it is only possible to implement the option in which users will vote, confirming their vote with the merit sent. But you need to be sure that after summing up the results, theymos will return the merits to the senders (as it was, for example, on April 1). Since the OP will receive over 1000 merit during the vote. P.S. Guess who could theoretically own the first T-shirt?  |
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I recommend not using the MetaMask symbol, at least so as not to confuse newbies. If I were the creator of Metamask, I would take it as plagiarism and take steps to protect the identity of my product.
You can take a look at this selection of resources, I'm sure you will find what you need: https://neede.co/#/TemplatesFree HTML landing page templates, UI Kits, and freebies for your projects. |
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Purchased or hacked accounts that have been inactive for 6-9 years that are involved in promoting such fraudulent projects as: Uncommonn, Amepay, MSKMINER, Monolith. Shitposters: GBGglenn cinnam0n8247, mid0000, yagsiades, josh105, Tert2012, rampagewsu, mdmtAGNTaj, nsdf, alezgut2410, suraqahpatakah, will2548, SofBry333, binben, qqyvpfe, LaraSamr, yourshorter.Besides, these shitty projects were caught in fraud. (Monolith Whitepaper is Plagiarized: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5264296.msg54861009#msg54861009). All Shitposts on these threads are 95% done by these accounts led by GBGglenn. Below is an example of posts from any of these users. You can also support deleting these threads by clicking "Report to Moderator".  |
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I don't think its a bad idea to tag bumper accounts if one feels strongly about it... I think it definitely solidifies the case for a tag if the same bumping service was found to have been bumping a scam project in the past.
This is not entirely true, since we do not know who is running the " Bumping services", and we cannot know if their accounts have already received warnings or red flags. But in general, its the scams that tend to employ these types of services; whether or not the project account deserves a red tag I think should be based on more than simply using bumping services. In most instances it won't be hard to find evidence pointing to a scam -- its good to buffer a rating with additional evidence.
Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads. As The Pharmacist once said, it boils down to this: Shitposters write poorly-written posts, Shitposters produce vapid content. But if you still don't have enough arguments to leave a red tag to the "bump'members" who buy and sell this shit as a service, you can just visit resources like "airdropalert, airdrops_io, etc". You just need to find conditions among the hosted airdrops that do not comply with the bitcointalk rules. - Go to Bitcointalk and write a valuable comment. Submit the link of your comment. ©Cures Token
- Post a positive message about unification and your Telegram username on this Bitcointalk thread ©Unification
- Comment on the BitcoinTalk post with positive feedback. ©SNTX
Yes I now that mods can delete threads if there is a proof that OP is paying for comments, but afaik, you have to have really strong evidence for that to happen. I report those when I have proof, I usually make post about it in [CLUB] The SpamBusters! Busting rule-breakers constantly and then report to the mods. Try sorting threads by number of views and you will see the ratio of posts / views. When I notice that the view-to-post ratio is less than 25/30, I will at least take a closer look at this ANN and see what the abnormal thread activity is based on. You can also leave a message in the thread itself, with a warning for the OP and for the Shitposters. I mean, if you did a few of these simple things and, in addition to reporting, report it, the moderator will not pass by (at least this is the case in the Russian section). But if you still don't see enough evidence, you can PM me or this thread, then I can dig deeper. |
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As I already said, I got stuck at the voting stage because the existing voting interface does not quite fit ( just need to exclude the lowest ranks from the vote, and for this I need to see who has already voted). 1. Choice Voting and PublicityCurrently, during public voting, users can only make one choice, known as "bullet voting", which is not very convenient for some counting scenarios. - Proposal: To enable users to give preference to any number of items or candidates during voting.
- Poll Options: Public, Identification of users participating in the survey, (As below).
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It seems to me that any DT contributor would agree with me that posting only one link to the ANN can only help promote your own thread. In addition, I noticed that you are adding quite a few threads to the list, (no archives, and not flagging OP accounts to protect other users). In your opinion, can DT tag them, relying only on your word? Also, you can always report a violation to the moderators. There are example's when moderators deleted threads even with 100,000 views. Below I gave an example of how such reports might look, (If you need help creating reports like this, let me know).Does the thread concern exclusively alts? Or can ANN Bumping related accounts also be published?
Below is an example.With the help of third parties, "ico bumping services" are used for their flows, which in itself is fraud. As a consequence, forced publications in ANN flows and the false, meaningless feedback. This means that the participants publish 70 - 80% of the messages in the streams of this project in order to get a larger stack. Thus, AMEPAY encourages "paid shill bumping" and creates for itself a fake noise. Below you can clearly see how it looks in reality. |
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My main goal is to keep things Bitcoin-related. How the place is cleaned shouldn't be notable especially when it comes to maintaining threads about maintaining things. I'm sorry but this is mad and a huge waste of energy on everybodys part.
Let's stop fretting over threads complaining about forum policy and start fretting more about Bitcoin.
To delete your account:
- Delete all of your posts you want deleted
- PM me with the name you want your remaining posts credited under
message sent
I went through a few old threads and saw some interesting posts. In addition to the fact that the author has quite ideological posts, it is also strange that he made a request to delete the account. (I first see the publication on behalf of the guest) |
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