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4281  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: July 03, 2017, 03:55:03 PM
The standard position for any human being is  to not believe crazy claims unless there is good evidence for it, otherwise you would get lost in all the claims. Paranormal shit, ghosts, telekinesis, god and so on and so on. The burden of proof is on the people who make these outrageous claims and guess what, no one has ever proved any of it.
4282  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Health and Religion on: July 03, 2017, 09:19:33 AM
Socialism itself is not the problem. The problem there is bad implementation of a good idea.

Atheism is a smart choice for people who do not need a safety net from reality.

Atheism is a false religion. The true atheist doesn't exist, because he knows that God might exist somewhere that he hasn't examined, yet. This means that even though he wants to be an atheist, and even though he says he is an atheist, he is a liar, and he may not even know it.

Cool

atheism is not A RELIGION.
"The true atheist doesn't exist, because he knows that God might exist somewhere that he hasn't examined, yet."
- I agree on this, maybe atheist are still waiting for a moment where God really shows up .

According to the definition of religion, atheism is definitely a religion. See #6 in the definition at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion?s=t. Other parts of the definition hold, as well.

The definition of atheism at http://www.dictionary.com/browse/atheism?s=t says:
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1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

The more a so-called atheist thinks about atheism, the more he know that God might exist somewhere. When he knows this, he can't believe that God doesn't exist.

The only atheists that have "disbelief" are the ones who never thought about it one way or the other. But even they understand God in their hearts.

Atheism is a sham and a hoax, just like evolution.

Cool
I'll accept your take on this, but still i will not acknowledge this as a general truth.

Hey. We all miss truth at times. Since I have shown the definitions, don't you think you should stop missing the truth?

Cool

Atheism is a standard position for any human being. Religiotards claim their god is real, atheists simply don't see them having enough evidence to be convinced. Every religiotard will tell you he saw his god and that his god is real, which one of them is right? There are hundreds of religions and they all claim theirs is the real one. It's all bullshit, people, wake up.
4283  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 03, 2017, 09:17:23 AM


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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

Cool

''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''



But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?

Cool

So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl

Cool

Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.

Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible.

You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread.

Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible.

It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect.

Cool

Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God.
And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is.

You seem to neglect the fact that I had the little word "if" in there. Since you neglect it intentionally, you are opposing me rather than the fact that God exists. Since you are opposing me, you essentially have admitted that you know that God exists.

Cool

And that's the problem, you don't know what created the universe, it could be your god from the bible or it could be something totally different therefore your proof is meaningless.

Well, no. I know from science and other things that God created the universe.

What is an Astargath? It seemeth to be something that posteth in the forum. What is it actually? Don't really know. It seemeth quite intelligent, however. And certainly, it does exist. After all, there are all these posts that it posteth.

But what is an Astargath made out of. Nobody really knows. Nobody has seen it. But the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. Of course, it could delete all its posts. Then it would be difficult to tell if it existed. But Theymos probably has backups.

Cool

No you don't. You only proved that the universe had a cause or a beginning but you haven't proved that God is the cause. The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them.

That's what complexity does. The way complexity works in an entropy universe shows that God exists. The fact of cause and effect working the way it does, shows God through the ultra high - beyond conceivable understanding - complexity in cause and effect alone, to say nothing about the intelligence of the mind of man produced thereby.

Of course, even the lower intelligence of you and other people who won't accept the science that proves God, is still proof in itself that God exists.

Cool

Explain how complexity shows god exists, don't just say it does. Where is your argument
4284  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 02, 2017, 10:02:44 PM
I think is enough to not believe in Evolution theory when they brought up the so called "neandertal man" who killed himself after these so called peaceful evolutionists put him in a cage.

Even scientists are turning against this stupid theory which has no foundations.

https://www.ecclesia.org/truth/deception.html

I see a lot of replies and people protecting evolution in a fanatic way here, do not think I have the time to reply to such persons.

This whole evolution theory says alot of things and doesnt have the facts to back them up, they don't have the data to prove anything and they may eventually need a time machine to clear everything up.

Uhm, what? Have you even studied anything about evolution to say that? It amazes me how 99.9% of people that say evolution is a lie are people who actually haven't studied evolution or anything close to it like biology, etc. Fossils, DNA and even direct observation, we can directly observe small-scale evolution in organisms with short life cycles (e.g., pesticide-resistant insects). That's not evidence to you?
4285  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 02, 2017, 04:01:08 PM


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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

Cool

''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''



But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?

Cool

So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl

Cool

Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.

Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible.

You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread.

Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible.

It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect.

Cool

Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God.
And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is.

You seem to neglect the fact that I had the little word "if" in there. Since you neglect it intentionally, you are opposing me rather than the fact that God exists. Since you are opposing me, you essentially have admitted that you know that God exists.

Cool

And that's the problem, you don't know what created the universe, it could be your god from the bible or it could be something totally different therefore your proof is meaningless.

Well, no. I know from science and other things that God created the universe.

What is an Astargath? It seemeth to be something that posteth in the forum. What is it actually? Don't really know. It seemeth quite intelligent, however. And certainly, it does exist. After all, there are all these posts that it posteth.

But what is an Astargath made out of. Nobody really knows. Nobody has seen it. But the evidence that it exists is overwhelming. Of course, it could delete all its posts. Then it would be difficult to tell if it existed. But Theymos probably has backups.

Cool

No you don't. You only proved that the universe had a cause or a beginning but you haven't proved that God is the cause. The cause could be many things, claiming it was God it's like claiming it was aliens, no proof for any of them.
4286  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 01, 2017, 07:44:51 PM


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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

Cool

''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''



But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?

Cool

So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl

Cool

Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.

Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible.

You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread.

Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible.

It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect.

Cool

Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God.
And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is.

You seem to neglect the fact that I had the little word "if" in there. Since you neglect it intentionally, you are opposing me rather than the fact that God exists. Since you are opposing me, you essentially have admitted that you know that God exists.

Cool

And that's the problem, you don't know what created the universe, it could be your god from the bible or it could be something totally different therefore your proof is meaningless.
4287  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 01, 2017, 07:43:58 PM

Then again you can't say that everything has a cause right now because we don't know that. Also by cause you are referring to a God or a creator when you talked about everything being programmed which we have no evidence for. Things have causes but they are not programmed. A volcano eruption has a cause: As rock inside the earth melts, its mass remains the same while its volume increases--producing a melt that is less dense than the surrounding rock. This lighter magma then rises toward the surface by virtue of its buoyancy. If the density of the magma between the zone of its generation and the surface is less than that of the surrounding and overlying rocks, the magma reaches the surface and erupts. Now you can't prove that, that was programmed in.

You can't say anything that makes any sense.

Cause and effect is all we see in the universe. We don't see any pure random. The countless numbes of cause and effect actions compared with the pure random actions, places the odds so great agaisnt anything other than cause and effect that science would say that pure random is impossible.

Cause and effect is essentially programming, since entropy shows that there is a beginning. Something had to get cause and effect going according to the laws of physics, as it is today. Nothing breaks the cause and effect physics. It is all programming.

The idea of evolution relies on some pure random effect taking place. None has ever been observed. But countless trillions upon trillions of cause and effect actions have been observed, all operating according to the set laws of physics. Evolution is a pure hoax.

Cool

Nah, what odds? We don't know almost anything about the universe, we explored, what? like 0.00000001% of the universe? So what if the things you see here have a cause, it means nothing, so many other things could have no cause like i said many times, radioactive decay seems to be one of them.
4288  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 01, 2017, 06:54:38 PM


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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

Cool

''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''



But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?

Cool

So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl

Cool

Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.

Show the place where cause and effect combined with entropy combined with complexity relies on the Bible.

You keep trying to bring religion into this science thread.

Even the fact that machines have makers, and the Machine Maker of the universe is God, doesn't have anything to do with the Bible.

It's the other way around. God exists, and the Bible exists because He made it through cause and effect.

Cool

Since you said God is anything that created the universe, it makes no sense to say that God is the God from the bible because the god from the bible is clearly not Zeus or The big bang which is just a process, not a God.
And from that we are back to the beginning where you can't prove what the first cause really is.
4289  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 01, 2017, 06:53:20 PM

Cause and effect is meaningless.
Your statement is meaningless.


If everything must have a cause, then what caused God? The counter-arguement to that is that God is an exceptional being that doesn't need a cause.
God is not a thing.


But if there can be something without a cause, why does the exceptional being have to be labeled God?
No need for a label. Just another method for identifying in our puny minds.


We can use the same argument to say that the Earth is an exceptional thing that, just like your conception of "God", also doesn't need a creator.
Earth is not God. Same argument doesn't fit.


There is no reason for us to believe that this universe had a beginning, and therefore was created by anything.
If there was no beginning to the universe, entropy would have reduced all complexity to an equal state of simplicity throughout the universe long ago.


There is evidence of things being created, sure, we have humans and some animals using tools to make artifacts. From this you jump to 'everything is created'? How, exactly?
Are you talking about the fact that the universe is a big machine filled with numerous smaller machines? Machines have makers. The intelligently made, ultra complex, machines of the universe have a Maker, as well. However, before something exists, there is nothing to make anything out of. This shows that at least the foundations of the universe were created.



Everything I see and experience hasn't been created, it has been altered, grown, rearranged, spun, settled, and transformed.

How do you know or prove that anything was ever created, as opposed to things simply changing shapes and forms eternally?
We have never found anything that does not have a cause. Nothing. Nada. Zip. We may not know what the cause is for some things, but even the idea of something existing without a cause, does not fit how the universe works. In fact, for many years, many scientists have been searching for something that exists without a cause. They simply won't accept that the ignorant among us have found such. It is God.



For example, can you prove that the earth was ever truly created as opposed to it simply being a large space rock that was pulled into the sun's orbit, and then sculpted by solar wind and meteorites into the shape it currently has?


The fact that all material has a beginning shows that there at least was creation of that which ultimately became the material of the earth.

Why are you so dead set against God? Everything shows that God exists. Live with it. You will only wind up destroying yourself if you fight it.

Cool

Like what machines? And why is the universe a big ''machine''? You also don't know everything that is in the universe and whether it had a cause or not so you can't say everything has a cause because we haven't found something without one, which btw physicists did find, radioactive decay.

Not everyone thinks that radioactive decay isn't a cause and effect thing. Actually it is.

All there is in the universe are machines. Take your pick. A rock is an example of cause and effect machines on the atomic or molecular level.

While nobody knows everything that is in the universe, there is no evidence of universal operation which does not use cause and effect. The universe is one. If it happens here, it happens throughout.

Cool

There is also no evidence that everything needs a cause so again, cause and effect is meaningless

You are missing so extremely much.

Only the things that we don't know the cause of might not need a cause, at least until we find the cause.

Since we know the cause of many things, and since everything that is common among us has a cause, and since there is nothing that we know of that for a fact does NOT have a cause, cause and effect are foundational.

Of course, I know that you know better than the things that you say. So, thanks for helping me get the point across that evolution is a hoax, just by bringing up your silliness that is easily explained away.

Cool

Then again you can't say that everything has a cause right now because we don't know that. Also by cause you are referring to a God or a creator when you talked about everything being programmed which we have no evidence for. Things have causes but they are not programmed. A volcano eruption has a cause: As rock inside the earth melts, its mass remains the same while its volume increases--producing a melt that is less dense than the surrounding rock. This lighter magma then rises toward the surface by virtue of its buoyancy. If the density of the magma between the zone of its generation and the surface is less than that of the surrounding and overlying rocks, the magma reaches the surface and erupts. Now you can't prove that, that was programmed in.
4290  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 01, 2017, 03:34:36 PM

Cause and effect is meaningless.
Your statement is meaningless.


If everything must have a cause, then what caused God? The counter-arguement to that is that God is an exceptional being that doesn't need a cause.
God is not a thing.


But if there can be something without a cause, why does the exceptional being have to be labeled God?
No need for a label. Just another method for identifying in our puny minds.


We can use the same argument to say that the Earth is an exceptional thing that, just like your conception of "God", also doesn't need a creator.
Earth is not God. Same argument doesn't fit.


There is no reason for us to believe that this universe had a beginning, and therefore was created by anything.
If there was no beginning to the universe, entropy would have reduced all complexity to an equal state of simplicity throughout the universe long ago.


There is evidence of things being created, sure, we have humans and some animals using tools to make artifacts. From this you jump to 'everything is created'? How, exactly?
Are you talking about the fact that the universe is a big machine filled with numerous smaller machines? Machines have makers. The intelligently made, ultra complex, machines of the universe have a Maker, as well. However, before something exists, there is nothing to make anything out of. This shows that at least the foundations of the universe were created.



Everything I see and experience hasn't been created, it has been altered, grown, rearranged, spun, settled, and transformed.

How do you know or prove that anything was ever created, as opposed to things simply changing shapes and forms eternally?
We have never found anything that does not have a cause. Nothing. Nada. Zip. We may not know what the cause is for some things, but even the idea of something existing without a cause, does not fit how the universe works. In fact, for many years, many scientists have been searching for something that exists without a cause. They simply won't accept that the ignorant among us have found such. It is God.



For example, can you prove that the earth was ever truly created as opposed to it simply being a large space rock that was pulled into the sun's orbit, and then sculpted by solar wind and meteorites into the shape it currently has?


The fact that all material has a beginning shows that there at least was creation of that which ultimately became the material of the earth.

Why are you so dead set against God? Everything shows that God exists. Live with it. You will only wind up destroying yourself if you fight it.

Cool

Like what machines? And why is the universe a big ''machine''? You also don't know everything that is in the universe and whether it had a cause or not so you can't say everything has a cause because we haven't found something without one, which btw physicists did find, radioactive decay.

Not everyone thinks that radioactive decay isn't a cause and effect thing. Actually it is.

All there is in the universe are machines. Take your pick. A rock is an example of cause and effect machines on the atomic or molecular level.

While nobody knows everything that is in the universe, there is no evidence of universal operation which does not use cause and effect. The universe is one. If it happens here, it happens throughout.

Cool

There is also no evidence that everything needs a cause so again, cause and effect is meaningless
4291  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: July 01, 2017, 10:40:48 AM

Cause and effect is meaningless.
Your statement is meaningless.


If everything must have a cause, then what caused God? The counter-arguement to that is that God is an exceptional being that doesn't need a cause.
God is not a thing.


But if there can be something without a cause, why does the exceptional being have to be labeled God?
No need for a label. Just another method for identifying in our puny minds.


We can use the same argument to say that the Earth is an exceptional thing that, just like your conception of "God", also doesn't need a creator.
Earth is not God. Same argument doesn't fit.


There is no reason for us to believe that this universe had a beginning, and therefore was created by anything.
If there was no beginning to the universe, entropy would have reduced all complexity to an equal state of simplicity throughout the universe long ago.


There is evidence of things being created, sure, we have humans and some animals using tools to make artifacts. From this you jump to 'everything is created'? How, exactly?
Are you talking about the fact that the universe is a big machine filled with numerous smaller machines? Machines have makers. The intelligently made, ultra complex, machines of the universe have a Maker, as well. However, before something exists, there is nothing to make anything out of. This shows that at least the foundations of the universe were created.



Everything I see and experience hasn't been created, it has been altered, grown, rearranged, spun, settled, and transformed.

How do you know or prove that anything was ever created, as opposed to things simply changing shapes and forms eternally?
We have never found anything that does not have a cause. Nothing. Nada. Zip. We may not know what the cause is for some things, but even the idea of something existing without a cause, does not fit how the universe works. In fact, for many years, many scientists have been searching for something that exists without a cause. They simply won't accept that the ignorant among us have found such. It is God.



For example, can you prove that the earth was ever truly created as opposed to it simply being a large space rock that was pulled into the sun's orbit, and then sculpted by solar wind and meteorites into the shape it currently has?


The fact that all material has a beginning shows that there at least was creation of that which ultimately became the material of the earth.

Why are you so dead set against God? Everything shows that God exists. Live with it. You will only wind up destroying yourself if you fight it.

Cool

Like what machines? And why is the universe a big ''machine''? You also don't know everything that is in the universe and whether it had a cause or not so you can't say everything has a cause because we haven't found something without one, which btw physicists did find, radioactive decay.
4292  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: July 01, 2017, 10:38:00 AM


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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

Cool

''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''



But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?

Cool

So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl

Cool

Give it up. You know as well as I do, that if Zeus set cause and effect in place, that all the information we have about Zeus is extremely limited, or completely wrong. Why? Because the Bible is right. But, this being a science topic, science proves God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

First of all, you don't know whether the bible is right or wrong. If the bible were right then none of the other possible causes for the existence of the universe would be possible because only the God from the bible had to be the creator, therefore your scientific proof is gone and now relies on the bible being right or not.
4293  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Do you believe in god? on: June 30, 2017, 03:50:49 PM
I believe in God, because he exists and helps in difficult situations, if a person really deserves it. I hope that God will guide me along the right path throughout my life.

 Shocked Shocked Shocked Shocked

Imagine that you are a boxing fighter and will fight mike tayson

You pray to god to give you victory against mike tayson, mike tayson has a big experience in boxing and you are just a newbie

Mike Tyson also prayed to God to give him victory

You and mike tyson fight and you lose, in which case god abandoned you? Or did you lose because of low experience and physical preparation?

Well it's clear that praying does not work, they claim that people have been healed of cancer with prayer but you never see amputees getting healed with prayers, you never see people decapitated growing a head back.
4294  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: June 30, 2017, 09:48:39 AM
Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

Cool

Talking out of your ass again eh? Most mutations are neutral in the sense that they will not be significant. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).


Here you are, talking propaganda, again. Are you actually trying to play the retard?

How long does a person live? Say, 100 years, maybe. Yet, the human body was designed to live forever. That is how harmful "bad" mutations are.

What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations. The correction is reasonable, generally, because most life doesn't simply die from the bad mutations. It takes a cumulative, joint batch of bad mutations to destroy life. And in people, that cumulation is based on all kinds of things, including radiation, hygiene, smoking, food eaten, and many more.

Both mutation forms are simply cause and effect actions of the universe, directed by the physics laws of the universe. And since mutations are cause and effect things, they don't really fall under the classification and standard definition of mutations. Evolution as the standard evolutionist understands it doesn't exist.

Wake up. You are losing credibility fast.

Cool

''the human body was designed to live forever.'' Prove it.
''What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations'' You made up that definition tho.
Plenty of examples of good mutations:
Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
Of course you just ignore them because you can't really refute it.


So, you see? You admit that evolution fails. What do you admit that shows its failure? You admit that the mutation idea can be attributed to at least one other thing. What is the other thing? Resistance: "They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.)"

Since you haven't refuted cause and effect programming, resistance is simply something that is programmed into the universe by the Programmer. Evolutionists attempt to add a touch of randomness to the idea of evolution by throwing in the mutation idea. But they can't bypass cause and effect in reality, so they just try to ignore it.

The idea of ignoring what the evolutionists do isn't the important thing. What is way more important is showing that evolutionists ignore reality in their idea of evolution. Evolution is a big, fat hoax.

Cool

Cause and effect is meaningless. If everything must have a cause, then what caused God? The counter-arguement to that is that God is an exceptional being that doesn't need a cause. But if there can be something without a cause, why does the exceptional being have to be labeled God? We can use the same argument to say that the Earth is an exceptional thing that, just like your conception of "God", also doesn't need a creator. There is no reason for us to believe that this universe had a beginning, and therefore was created by anything.
There is evidence of things being created, sure, we have humans and some animals using tools to make artifacts. From this you jump to 'everything is created'? How, exactly?

Everything I see and experience hasn't been created, it has been altered, grown, rearranged, spun, settled, and transformed.

How do you know or prove that anything was ever created, as opposed to things simply changing shapes and forms eternally?

For example, can you prove that the earth was ever truly created as opposed to it simply being a large space rock that was pulled into the sun's orbit, and then sculpted by solar wind and meteorites into the shape it currently has?

4295  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 30, 2017, 08:56:38 AM


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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

Cool

''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''



But this thread is about scientific proof for the existence of God. Are you suggesting that science has proof for the existence of Zeus as well?

Cool

So you have no answer to my question and you keep ignoring it? You claimed that if cause and effect were put in place by Zeus, then zeus is god. If that was the case then you can't say the bible is true, it's simple logic that you obviously are ignoring because I made you look bad again rofl

Cool
4296  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: June 30, 2017, 08:55:02 AM
Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

Cool

Talking out of your ass again eh? Most mutations are neutral in the sense that they will not be significant. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).


Here you are, talking propaganda, again. Are you actually trying to play the retard?

How long does a person live? Say, 100 years, maybe. Yet, the human body was designed to live forever. That is how harmful "bad" mutations are.

What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations. The correction is reasonable, generally, because most life doesn't simply die from the bad mutations. It takes a cumulative, joint batch of bad mutations to destroy life. And in people, that cumulation is based on all kinds of things, including radiation, hygiene, smoking, food eaten, and many more.

Both mutation forms are simply cause and effect actions of the universe, directed by the physics laws of the universe. And since mutations are cause and effect things, they don't really fall under the classification and standard definition of mutations. Evolution as the standard evolutionist understands it doesn't exist.

Wake up. You are losing credibility fast.

Cool

''the human body was designed to live forever.'' Prove it.
''What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations'' You made up that definition tho.
Plenty of examples of good mutations:
Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
Of course you just ignore them because you can't really refute it.

4297  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 30, 2017, 08:50:37 AM


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You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

Now that you understand that God created the universe, you also understand that He exists. Just because I haven't explained something to you, doesn't necessarily mean I haven't explained it. However, thank you for looking to me as an authority.

I was just wondering. When you claim that I claimed something, are you trying to refresh my memory? Or are you making a false claim? Are you trying to deceive yourself into believing something?

You are a person, right? You have an identity. You are you, right? The things that you do and say in life might affect others, but they mostly affect you.

Now that you understand that God exists, seek Him. Contact him with your mind and identity. He is open to answering your questions. But ask Him with a sincere heart rather than trying to deceive, like you constantly try to deceive yourself into thinking that you can deceive other people. Since God rules through cause and effect, He understands all your deception.

Contact Him through prayer, for real. He is listening for you.

Cool

''2. If cause and effect were put into place by Zeus, then Zeus is God;'' ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''

4298  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 30, 2017, 12:49:22 AM
I just can not understand. What other proofs of God do you need to have in the scientific plan? This is not provable at all and I do not understand how it can be proved. Is there a god and how much religion is there in society. It already depends purely on everyone from what he believes.

If people were right in the things they believed, there wouldn't be any accidents.

Science attempts to prove many things without having people believe them. Some things it has proven. Some it hasn't proven. Not everybody understands how science proves all the things it proves.

God is the only One Who believes what is right all the time.

Maybe nobody needs scientific proof that God exists, but some people are curious.

Science proves and nature showsthat God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

If your crappy links were in fact proof of your god, pretty sure that everyone would know this as it would have been made public a long time ago.

As your links are not quoted by a single other person aside from yourself....

Your links = FAIL

That's wherein your problem lies. It is your problem, and the problem of most people. But the scientific establishment loves it when people have your problem.

What is your problem? You don't understand much of everything. And you can easily be subverted to lies. And it happens right out in the open for you and your kind. And science people love it when it happens. Because it is more profit for them.

You are the kind of person who would stand out in the rain and say it is not raining. Why would you say it? Because the high priests of your science religion suggested it to you.

Learn to think a little, and you might see a whole lot of things you miss.

Cool

Said the guy who believes adam and eve were the first humans, snakes talk, miracles exist and that God is all powerful and all knowing yet he fails several times in the bible.

What's the matter? Finding out that science actually proves that God exists? And you don't like it when somebody rubs your nose in it, so you go into religion and badmouthing, right?

You know what this does, don't you? It actually strengthens the understanding that God exists. So, in spite of your attempted badmouthing (which is backfiring on you), thanks for your help.

Cool

You haven't explained this tho ''If the bible is a fact then God can't be Zeus or any of the other things you said so your logic is a bit confusing here. You claim that God is anything that created the universe but at the same time God is the God from the bible??''
4299  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Evolution is a hoax on: June 29, 2017, 02:28:09 PM

If you live in African desert for just a week, you will notice your skin turn red. Live there for a month and your skin will gradually turn redder and eventually turn black after years.  Turning black is evolution that you won't feel much heat under the sun. Who knows you'll become a dinosaur after billion of years.  Grin

That is not evolution, Darwin just threw up in his own mouth after reading that.

It is hilarious how the most ardent evolution fundamentalists dont even understand the concept at all.

So let me ask you.

How do you explain existence of African-Americans living in relatively cold weather? And how do you explain existence of white Australians living on equator? For hundreds of years. Shouldnt they start changing skin color the moment they arrive in the new environment?



Why do you call that random guy on the internet evolution fundamentalist? It's obvious he doesn't know what he is talking about.
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE


There are still monkeys around because it is a proof that evolution theory is not true.  It is better to believe that there is God who created me and He has great purpose why He made me rather than believing that I am from family of monkeys. And if ever evolution really exist, why we still man and woman, I mean, thousand of years already past but still we don't hear any news that human evolve into another form of life.

Ugh, Evolutionists and scientists punch themselves in the face when they read things like you said. Evolution is the change in populations, not in individuals.
Evolution is not a process in which species universally progress up a "ladder".
Humans are not descended from any modern species of monkey; both monkeys and humans are descended from some long-extinct ancestor pre-dating both. Although this species, if it were transferred to today, would be considered a "monkey", it is not any living species of monkey.
Evolution explains how humans developed from a primate ancestor, but not an extant species of monkey or ape. Modern primates include: bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons, macaques, lemurs, gibbons, and humans. None of these is a descendant of any other.
Speciation can occur by branching into two or more reproductively isolated populations (cladogenesis) or when a single population changes over time to such an extent that the later population is considered a different species (anagenesis).
4300  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: June 29, 2017, 09:30:57 AM
I just can not understand. What other proofs of God do you need to have in the scientific plan? This is not provable at all and I do not understand how it can be proved. Is there a god and how much religion is there in society. It already depends purely on everyone from what he believes.

If people were right in the things they believed, there wouldn't be any accidents.

Science attempts to prove many things without having people believe them. Some things it has proven. Some it hasn't proven. Not everybody understands how science proves all the things it proves.

God is the only One Who believes what is right all the time.

Maybe nobody needs scientific proof that God exists, but some people are curious.

Science proves and nature showsthat God exists:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=737322.msg10718395#msg10718395
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1355109.msg14047133#msg14047133
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1662153.40
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg16803380#msg16803380.

Cool

If your crappy links were in fact proof of your god, pretty sure that everyone would know this as it would have been made public a long time ago.

As your links are not quoted by a single other person aside from yourself....

Your links = FAIL

That's wherein your problem lies. It is your problem, and the problem of most people. But the scientific establishment loves it when people have your problem.

What is your problem? You don't understand much of everything. And you can easily be subverted to lies. And it happens right out in the open for you and your kind. And science people love it when it happens. Because it is more profit for them.

You are the kind of person who would stand out in the rain and say it is not raining. Why would you say it? Because the high priests of your science religion suggested it to you.

Learn to think a little, and you might see a whole lot of things you miss.

Cool

Said the guy who believes adam and eve were the first humans, snakes talk, miracles exist and that God is all powerful and all knowing yet he fails several times in the bible.
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