The board will clock between 40 and 80Ghs and 64 GHs with BitFury chips has been demonstrated. I ordered in good faith that I will get a 64 GHs.
I'm still waiting for a proof of that! |
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No reply. I think we can label this as a scam. Mods? Gave a bad rating too. I hope other people will do that too |
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I dont think there will be any problem getting your money back, if it doesn't do 64 GHs. Use a credit card with PayPal. Then if PayPal wont refund, you can always do a chargeback on the CC.
Well not sure. They state the board performs between 40-80Ghash. If they deliver with 40Ghash then it's in the advertised specs and i'm not sure i can get a refund for this. cryptx or burnin i'm waiting for a confirmation and maybe some proof for the actual speed of the boards and not some guesstimates |
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care to prove you statement....
and problem is not the price only, the problem is that we do not know the specification of these boards yet, there is no prove that they got the chips working at 4 Gh/s to get the midle 60Gh/s and there is just no prove for that 80Gh/s all what we know that the board work between 40-80Gh/s which is a crazy and illogical scope... this is why I cant tell what is the real value of these boards, and this is why I have to say that they will perform only at 40Gh/s (the minimum) in this case they are soooooo expansive and the price is unacceptable.
The 40-80Gh/s is false advertising. The board works at 64Gh/s. Period. There is nothing more over 64Gh/s yet! Edit: After thinking i will order some boards, but i have a problem with the 40-64Ghash spread. cryptx or burnin please confirm that each ordered board will have at least 60Ghash/s. I don't want boards hashing at 40Ghash/s. I have also sent you an e-mail and i hope to get a quick reply. |
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Bitfury themselves are selling completed kits at close to .15/Gh. Why would you pay more to add in two additional points of failure? This product was marginally attractive at a price point below what can be obtained by ordering direct from bitfury. At a price premium to bitfury it shouldn't leave the drawing board.
I'd actually rather bet on burnin than Bitfury themselves as he has shown excellent performance (the best known, i guess?) with Avalon chips plus fast assembly and support. Delay between him and Bitfury is 1-2 days for shipping of the chips. I would bet on burnin too, just not at this price. |
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It's not very economical to make an 8-chip board because of the fixed cost of the parts.
Even with identical board and 8 chips it will be 520 EUR (700 - 180). Say 600 with shipping and accesories. Which is 0.2 BTC/GH. If burnin overclocks the chip to 5 GH, it becomes 0.16 BTC/GH. What's your point? You find that economical? |
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I think pricing is quite fair but where's the 8-chip board?!
I had an order for 105 EUR BitBurner, 150 total incl. raspi and shipping. Now I'm supposed to get discount for a 700 EUR product. Avalon-based model used to be the best (and maybe even only) entry-level miner on the market. The new one is not anymore.
It's not very economical to make an 8-chip board because of the fixed cost of the parts. |
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Very disappointed. Excessive markup has killed it for me. How did such a noble cause of open sourcing community hardware end up here with a greedy monopoly?
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We know the chips cost 360 euros per board, so that means there's already 110 euro reserved for parts and labour, design etc. Increase that by maybe 30 euro for reasonable amount, and we'd get about 500 euro for a board from burnin directly. The BitBurner XX assembly etc cost about 100 euro so I don't think I'm that far off with 140 euro for parts, labour etc.
The 360 euros for the chips is based on the retail price of the chips, but i was hoping burnin may get a better deal on the chips since he will sell assambled miners and will buy them in bigger numbers, but considering the final price of the board i was awfully wrong. |
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lol crumbs ignore button in the brightest yellow i have seen on this forum.
I think eve has first place. |
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It sucks if you canceled another order and waited for these boards based on the projection that they would be cheaper, but unless you were *guaranteed* that these boards would cost €470, not sure what recourse you'd really have. This is the exact reason I don't invest anything in Bitcoin/preorders/ASICs that I'm not willing to lose.
Well i am aware that i wasn't guaranteed that price, but i just trusted burnin. He was usually a man of word and he never said anything about the price going up for this boards and cryptx kept it secret until he opened his store (no idea what's the logic there). I already said that i'm ok with the loss and will try to minimize it and i will move on. I don't have a grudge against anyone. |
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The 470eur was an early estimate, part costs increased as the design continued.
I am not involved in the pricing of the BitBurner Fury units, i kept my margin reasonable as usual.
I will speak to them if costs at their end can be cut.
yes but to add 229 € is a bit strange, and how come they state 40-80 GH/s, this is out of all logical scopes Useless advertising at 80GH/s if they got it max to 64GH/s. |
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Pricing isn't based manufacturing costs, it's based on how much people are willing to pay. Charging the maximum the market will bear isn't greed, it's just smart business. They'd be idiots to give their product away for less than they could get out of it. What is idiotic is comments like this. You don't know how much the network hashrate grows in the coming months, and pricing your product so high the miners won't even ROI if the growth is just slightly higher than pessimistic estimates is just plain greedy - offloading the risk to miners. Besides, if every manufacturer followed your advice of not selling to "the public", you'd just get centralization of the network hashpower - the exact opposite that Bitcoin is supposed to achieve. Actually he is true. From a business point of view it's better to sell at what people are willing to pay than at manufacturing costs+small profit, but you need to find the sweet spot. |
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On the bright side for those who want it cheaper, with difficulty increasing as fast as it is, probably won't have to wait long at all before it's available for €470 or even less.  Yeah, but €470 now isn't the same with €470 in a month |
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You know, all this complaining about the price is unnecessary. You can just vote with your BTC's. Then when he starts taking a loss because he's not selling enough, the price falls.
Well i am sure we are voting with our btc too, but i think being vocal is good too. |
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Burnin bitfury board + chips + heatsink + postage + VAT (> 40 GH/s) = 895.40 Euro = 9.95 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.02 GH/s/BTC
H-boards + VAT + postage (25GH/s) = 483.6 Euro = 5.37 BTC (at 90 Euro/BTC) = 4.66 GH/s/BTC
I'm assuming the worst case scenario on burnin's bitfury boards (40 GH/s) as nothing significantly higher has been demonstrated publicly yet. I think if anybody can OC these things to the max then burnin can, but without evidence we can't take this into account when comparing products.
Don't you need an M-board in order to use the H-board? |
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It makes more sense to keep buying H-boards from bitfurystrikesback (unless burnin can really get 80 GH/s out of these).
The cheapest option at Bitfurystrikesback is 6500€ for 400 GH/s We offer 512 Gh/s for 5499€ I don't want to be rude but instead of advertising your boards maybe you wish to respond to questions on your dedicated thread. Thank you. |
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I decided to buy just one board to use up my discount. I'm VAT registered, so I figure I should just about ROI if delivered before KNC ship.
I had planned to buy at least 4, if not more.
Actually after a bit of thinking i will order 1-2 boards with my discount too. I planned to buy at least 10 boards for the price stated by burnin, but not anymore. Do note it's not a discount. It's money you've already given them... of which 30% they get to keep. Yes but as i said it's minimal loss for me. I'm pretty sure i will ROI on the boards bought with the 70% of the money with instead of ROIing(is this possible?) on my full Avalon chip+boards order. |
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Maybe that's what they're counting on. Squeeze just so much as to make most people think "oh well, this loss is easier to swallow than going to the courts".
First 30% loss at least, now overpriced boards...
Yes but i find that a very very bad decision from a business point of view. He will have less new clients and old clients will buy the minimum that they can so they will sell just a few boards instead of selling in bigger numbers. |
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700 EUR is really hardcore...
hopefully those of us (including me) who requested a refund will get the 70%+X instead of 50%... would be really nice.
we'll see..
Yes, I also want 70% refund but I'm afraid all we can to get from cryptx is 50% (in mid october). In truth I do not believe that 50% is the part that burnin lost from avalon orders. I am totally disappointed. You will get 70% if you ask for a voucher for a BitFury board. The 50% is only if you want cash. But i dont want to buy this expensive boards with questionable ROI. Because i think realistic date to get this device in hands - november http://mining.thegenesisblock.com/a/05945f0b55cryptx promissed first week of Octomber delivery, not November. He will receive chips on 20 September so it's doable. I miss the adventure of burnin his post on designing the board. We didn't see any posts on the bitfury adventure  True! I miss that too, but oh well times seem to change very fast in the bitcoin mining business considering just some months ago i was waiting for Avalon's posts. |
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