Kauf von 100 BTC bei 200$. Verkauf bei 700$. Rückkauf bei 600$. Gewinn etwa 17 BTC. Falsch. Der Rückkauf ist steuerlich irrelevant. Der Gewinn ist 100*700 - 100*200= 50000$. Diese 50000 musst du versteuern, wenn zwischen Verkauf und Kauf weniger als 12 Monate lagen und sonst keine anderen privaten Veräußerungsgeschäfte vorlagen, die du gegenrechnen kannst. Dann wäre, bei diesem Beispiel (und auch bei den meisten anderen), der Handel mit Bitcoins quasi unmöglich. Ich frage mich, was die Leute dann hier eigentlich machen, die vorgeben durch den Handel ihre BTC zu vermehren. Man muss dann ja Kursschwankungen von <30% realisieren, um überhaupt mal die Steuer zu reinzubekommen. Falsch. Kauf bei 100$, Verkauf bei 110$. Folglich 10% Kursgewinn. Bedeutet du musst 10$ versteuern. Also sagen wir mal 3,33$ Steuern zahlen. Bleiben immer noch 6,66$ Gewinn. |
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iam talking about greed in mine
sorry about english but sometimes i think is more easy but not
where are you from? |
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Bankrupt UNLESS, they decided to bump up the MPP so that their customers would at least have a chance of breaking even. Now that their R&D is complete, the easiest and cheapest them for them to do is ship more chips.
That's essentially what CoinTerra decided to do. Batch 1 customers will be receiving more hashpower. So far as I can tell, those customers are largely satisfied with that outcome. Thats exactly the way to go. Hashfast should be pointed to that solution. |
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Double down on the MPP would have been the least worst option for Hashfast, instead its management seems to be circling the wagons for a suicidal shootout with its customers.
Working together - not for "full BTC refunds" - but to twist Hashfast's arms, and legs, to force increased and hopefully accelerated hashpower compensation to Batch 1 customers was also the least worst option for most customers, because if such an effort was successful, all Batch 1 customers stood a chance at getting most of their investment back, or even a return. The legal route? A chance of a big payout, but especially for small guys, uncertain and self-defeatingly illogical, and it could lock in even larger losses.
This may not be a herd of cats, instead it's starting to look more like a circular firing squad.
I'd say ramping up another MPP is still the best option for HF and customers. |
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Colored Coins ist sowas ähnliches. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmFjmvwPGKUWenn man jeden Vertrag in die Blockchain schreibt dann geht die Blockchain Größe ja durch die Decke. Das könnte man jedoch sicher auch auslagern. http://www.proofofexistence.com/aboutUse our service to anonymously and securely store an online distributed proof of existence for any document. Your documents are NOT stored in our database or in the Bitcoin blockchain, so you don't have to worry about your data being accessed by others.
All we store is a cryptographic digest of the file, associated to the time in which you uploaded the document. In this way, you can later certify that said data existed at that time. This is the first online service allowing you to publicly prove that you have certain information without revealing the data or yourself, with a decentralized certification based on the Bitcoin network.
da schreibt man doch keine verträge rein sondern nur ein veröffentlichungsdatum timestamp das es existiert diese stamp ist dann für immer mit dem dokument verbunden. so was kann sehr wichtig werden für verträge, testament und ganz besonders für patentanmeldungen. und coloredcoin klingt noch besser einfach,schnell, decentral..... ich komm aus dem staunen über die genialität der bitcointechnik gar nicht mehr raus. wir haben bei unserem letzten termin dem notar erzählt er solle sich da mal reinarbeiten, könnte auch für seine branche "interessant" werden. er hat es überhaupt nicht verstanden. der war aber sowieso ein wenig misstrauisch beim thema btc. wir waren dort um eine ug zu gründen wegen der party. unser partner bulleric verspätete sich. wir: "herr s. verspätet sich, er wird gerade noch vom Wall Street Journal interviewt" notar: "ja, klar und der obama kommt auch noch vorbei" wir:  lol! hat er später wenigstens eingesehen das ihr keinen scheiss labert? |
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Where can I sign up for new newsletters?
I got the original upgrade modules email, never got Neptune even for existing customers, never got this supposed new one.
Still furious about their disregard for pre existing customers. And now I can't even get damn updates.
What disregard now?? Geez.  I have that but I still haven't received whatever recent newsletter went out. And I certainly don't have them under spam. same here |
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Das hat sich qwk doch von ganzem Herzen gewünscht  ja, da hatten wir es noch letzte woche davon! Jetzt ist er endlich da! gabs im mai ebenfalls schonmal ne weile. zusätzlich hatte ein boardmember für 50$ einen altcoin-service angeboten. etliche der heute bekannten kleineren altcoins wurden so erstellt und traden heute für 7-stellige beträge |
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Reason why I don't want more MPP because:
a) MPP will come too late to be useful
its usefullness is a combination of delivery TIME and SIZE. that means, a well stocked MPP in June or even July could be sufficient given enough hashpower is delivered. b) it may cost too much for HF to provide 3x of MPP i.e. 12 extra boards with chips to each customer instead of 4
no, it wont. this business is a business of high r&d costs, but all later fabrication runs are very cheap to do. as far as i can remember death&taxes provided once a good estimate of the raw costs of such a mining device and the raw chip/board costs are going down to several hundred us$. thats it. given that they are still selling new batches, they should stem that with ease. and HF may not even have that many available in March/April
thats just a question of the pre-order queue at the silicon producing fabric in Taiwan/SouthKorea. ordering today a rocket run could bring the chips/boards as early as march. but i dont expect them to react so swift. thats a thought process thats has to happen first and we all dont know at the moment which outcome this project will finally come up to. i personally would expect hashfast to react as soon as the MPP is deployed and one can estimate which BTC profit/loss is to be expected. so that could be march and in march they could order enough cheap boards for may that everyone is satisfied. and we will have to buy power, cases, cooling hardware and then host it for 6-12 months in the temperature controlled facility because of the heat so many systems will generate and power they will use ~5,850W (450W*13) or more
those chips/boards will have some serious market value, just like the chips from BFl had. nobody is forced to build/mine. I rather let them take on that risk of mining and have my BTC back now.
as i see it, the only ones that COULD be able to get some of their BTC back are those who ordered BEFORE august 15th. cause afterwards the TOS changed and we all agreed to USD refunds. so that might be some option for you but for a majority of us here that wont be an option. |
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additional MPP = in my view the most realistic and profitable possibility
it would basically mean to get for example in Q2 3 x MPP in raw chips. thats not to expensive for them and for us customers its ok cause those chips could be sold or being built into rigs. just what suits better.
Your Raw chips idea is bad, please stop suggesting it. You have no idea of its sale to others value nor cost and time of turning them in to functioning units. I have do have a good idea on cost and time and I am suggesting don't ever mention that again. i actually didnt meant "raw chips". to be more accurate i meant complete boards as thats what the MPP will be like. and those complete boards wont be such a big problem to handle, as we have already discussed here in this thread a thousand times. thats for them easy to accomplish and is for us a good way to break even. |
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I am a HashFast's Batch 1 customer. If any of you want to join my effort of ether:
1. Getting full BTC refund in the amount that you paid, or
2. It's current equivalent in USD, or
3. getting additional MPP, or
4. some other compensation
please PM me. So we can discuss this in private.
What exactly do you mean by "getting additional MPP"? additional MPP = in my view the most realistic and profitable possibility it would basically mean to get for example in Q2 3 x MPP in raw chips. thats not to expensive for them and for us customers its ok cause those chips could be sold or being built into rigs. just what suits better. |
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i propose lets go for an additional x-times ramped up MPP sent in Q2. they can afford it and we could break even.
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Well looks like people will get a extra 5% for a refund not 500% . HF is asking for another 30 days to ship Oct 2013 Jets.
If I had to guess... their time booked at Ciarra has expired for Batch1 and they won't get access again until the end of January... ergo 30 days. This is of course speculation, as I have no information other than what they write. Hopefully they realize how much they have screwed up and when the assembly line re-opens, they just ship B1 with MPP (since it will be past the 90days from Oct 30th). If another 30 days are needed and batch#1 customers are seriously screwed, i would propose that HF offers some kind of compensation. This compensation doesnt have to be hurried. Instead they could offer us for example units of their (probably happening) second generation units for free including shipping. Similar to whats Cointerra doing at the moment. They are giving free march Terraminer to their screwed Dec customers. Thats not second generation but it shows how such a situation could be handled between Hashfast and their customers in a satisfying way for both sides. You are already screwed if IceDrill gets all their units before customers: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=269216.msg4254717#msg4254717why? icedrills TH/s wont matter one piece of shit at this stage of the network power. thats basically not more than 2-3% more diff. also to be exact Icedrill has been shipped ONE unit so far. no reason to freak out. |
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Well looks like people will get a extra 5% for a refund not 500% . HF is asking for another 30 days to ship Oct 2013 Jets.
If I had to guess... their time booked at Ciarra has expired for Batch1 and they won't get access again until the end of January... ergo 30 days. This is of course speculation, as I have no information other than what they write. Hopefully they realize how much they have screwed up and when the assembly line re-opens, they just ship B1 with MPP (since it will be past the 90days from Oct 30th). If another 30 days are needed and batch#1 customers are seriously screwed, i would propose that HF offers some kind of compensation. This compensation doesnt have to be hurried. Instead they could offer us for example units of their (probably happening) second generation units for free including shipping. Similar to whats Cointerra doing at the moment. They are giving free march Terraminer to their screwed Dec customers. Thats not second generation but it shows how such a situation could be handled between Hashfast and their customers in a satisfying way for both sides. It seems clear to me that they are way over their heads and don't know what the heck they are doing. Why do you think a 2nd generation would be any better? If I thought they had a chance in hell of succeeding, I would demand that my guaranteed 60%+ loss B1 order be cancelled and all the BTC be applied to their next generation. But... I don't have any confidence in them succeeding there when they failed so clearly and miserably with this generation. No... I am afraid the best option other than legal is to get the machines as quickly as possible and dig out of the hole as much as possible. Hard lessons... engineering doesn't overcome bad management and businessmen hellbent on not ensuring value for their customers. you dont have to focus on the second generation so much lets assume they will get over their current problems with their chips etc. why there should be no possibility to order another batch of chips and to bring on an additional MPP?? lets make it 3 x MPP sent to us in may/june. i think that could be very well some solution to this situation. |
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Well looks like people will get a extra 5% for a refund not 500% . HF is asking for another 30 days to ship Oct 2013 Jets.
If I had to guess... their time booked at Ciarra has expired for Batch1 and they won't get access again until the end of January... ergo 30 days. This is of course speculation, as I have no information other than what they write. Hopefully they realize how much they have screwed up and when the assembly line re-opens, they just ship B1 with MPP (since it will be past the 90days from Oct 30th). If another 30 days are needed and batch#1 customers are seriously screwed, i would propose that HF offers some kind of compensation. This compensation doesnt have to be hurried. Instead they could offer us for example units of their (probably happening) second generation units for free including shipping. Similar to whats Cointerra doing at the moment. They are giving free march Terraminer to their screwed Dec customers. Thats not second generation but it shows how such a situation could be handled between Hashfast and their customers in a satisfying way for both sides. |
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Say bye to hf_cl you won't hear from him for a while. The refund form is in us dollars. Is this fkn American company for really? Why does every man that lands on American soil become a god dam scam aretitist
wtf? whats this nation-hate-bullshit doing here? better, keep your usa-hate to yourself mate. bitcoin is all about inter-national trade and communication and you come up with your fuckn hate against other nations?! just stfu. |
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Blocksize is 0-2,000,000 ??
That means basically longterm its 1,000,000 ??
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In a manner of seconds, things scroll off the first page. It makes finding even relatively new topics difficult. In the short time it took me to write this short post, the post I had just read is 3/4 of the way down the page!
There are many threads here relating to new Cryptos, their creation, support, software, etc. They need their own sub-forum.
Their are threads just posing questions in general, they should not be grouped with the above.
And perhaps a couple of other sub forums as well, ideas?
Thanks,
IAS
This issue is being discussed here reguarly since months. Answer is always the same. |
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Dude, read back in the thread instead of pulling speculations out of your ass. That address was confirmed by the pool operator to belong to someone OTHER THAN hashfast. You expect too much of him. He can't write properly, so what makes you think he can read properly?  |
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