waves is rising on youbit trying to create and account theres so i can buy some cheap waves but its been 20 mins still no registration email what a shitty exchange lol
waves deposit addresses dont work for waves either so its fake volume fore sure |
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waves is rising on youbit trying to create and account theres so i can buy some cheap waves but its been 20 mins still no registration email what a shitty exchange lol
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Ethereium is slated to go POS a while before *3* GB cards become unviable for mining - if the timeframe doesn't get pushed back again.
The real limit is likely to be "when will the diff increase to the point it overcomes the price and mining become uneconomic if your power cost is higher then VERY VERY cheap".
i can assume within this year, etheruem will not be profitable anymore, unless something crazy happen to bitcoin, which may skyrocket to unbelievable level like 2k or more... At the current rate of difficulty increase, ie 40% a months, in 4 months, when the difficulty quadrupled, most miners will be not profitable. People have been saying that about Bitcoin every year, yet people still mine and still remain profitable. (Input response: well those are Chinese miners who have $.03 electricity!) The same thing keeps being repeated but look, the S9 just was released, people are buying and still making profit (yes I know the halving ...blah blah blah... if the price continues to go up, mining still remains profitable. Just like any investment, their is risk. Either you risk it or you don't, but let's stop spouting numbers and percentages as if its gospel. Mine or don't mine its your choice. For those that keep asking about profit ...how much longer... if my electricity rate is xyz... stop answering them please. Being older and not having been blessed with the internet at my finger tips since birth, I seem to find all my answers by searching the forum or using google. Its an amazing invention! Stop enabling them). As for ethereum mining, newer, more efficient gpus are constantly being released (aka 480x and 470x.. yes I know we don't know benchmarks yet but will eventually) and the price of ethereum might increase, thus, mining remains profitable even as difficulty increases. Some individuals continued to mine during "uneconomic" (aka unprofitable) times during bitcoin, especially last year when it was below $200. Now look at the price, stable at $750. Just because mining might become unprofitable, doesn't mean shit, as seen with bitcoin on multiple occasions. hear hear sticky this somone |
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Can someone explain this guy above me that there is no mining benchmarks for RX 480?
Any guesses now is pure speculation.
That is just a guess. The 390 has 512 bit memory bus, while the 480 has just 256. Ethereum mining is memory speed limited. So there is a possibility that 480 is slower, but it will consume less power. that is hogwash the 1070 has a 256 memory bus same as the 970 but more powerful individual cuda cores and it gets more hash per core. If your logic was sound the 1070 would hash the same as the 970 but it is at 27mhs stock. the 480 is three years newer tech than the hawaii cards even with the 256 memory buss it WILL mine at least at 27-28 mhs if not higher book it. p.s and if memory badnwith was the determining factor the fiji cards and the nano would 4012 memory bandwidth would hash at 80 mhs lol get real. |
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It is 3D mark, so it is not too relavant to the Ethereum mining. It is even 40% slower than 1070, not very encouraging. seems that the 480 is close to nano speed and caps out at 100 watts http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months i would avoid buying a card only for one algo, on the other algo 480 will be worse than a 1070, and not by few % etheruem will not last forever, what you will do in six months then when another new algo will kick in and destroy etheruem that went pos? at that point would be wise to have a strong card with better density to save on many rigs gimme a break with your voodo economics its about making money now no one is making money with a $500 1070 fuck the future youre not fooling anyone bro no idiots here. if the 480 is decentcand price holds around 230 best belive im swapping put all my power hungry cards for it a $500 card that can be sold 1 year later for 400 , will hold its value no problem, the initial investment is not really a concern for me, what it matter is the profit you make with that card i bought my 970 for 230-240 euro i can easily sell them for the same price now 2 months later or even more buying a gpu only for one algo is not so different than buying an asic, shitty strategy also buying now a 1070 is not different than buying nano before(actually it's better nano was priced $600), same crap, so i don't understand the issue about the price really two 480s will mine at a minimum of 23 mhs each and both cost at worst and cost less than half the price of a 1070 and they will hold their value just as well as a 1070. We were buying nano's because there was nothing out there as efficient at the time , in 14 days all that changes it would be stupid to buy a single 1070 now when you will be able to get nearly double the hash rate for the same price and possibly with rom mods the close to the same power drain. The 1070 purchase is kind of moot anyways , you cant find them for sale anywhere ,at least you can find nanos in any quantity to you want. the 480 will most likely be priced higher than excepted the same is happening for the 1070, so do not expect 200 at launch at all but probably 250 or more in some country even 300 the new target price is 229 for the 480 btw.. since one 480 is equal to 970 in hashrate in any other algo and a 1070 it's already 50%(without any optimization i believe it can be pushed to 80% easily) faster than a 1070 you have already a card that is worth $400 and again i don't care about etheruem, you guys should really stop basing your argument only about etheruem when even now there is another more profitable coin retail for a 1070 is still 449 still nearly twice the price of a single 480 and $229 is the price of the 8gb 480 which no alogos need more than 4g . optimzation or not id rather have the amd parts right now , whose to say with optimzation they wont hash bettter on ther algos than expected either. price per watt is king though because they are equal to a 970 in gaming or slightly worse, usually this mean that they will be there in hashing surely not on par with a 1070 in overall performance, that's why they cost only 200, if you except them to perform the same(as 1070) in any other algo minus etheruem you are wrong a 1070 will be 50% faster on other algo, not talking about etheruem, so it's worth 400 at launch, and 350 after the price return to the right point for the record the rx 480 has been benched faster than 390 and a non oced 970 one reviewer had it pushing a nano with a small oc! even withoute that i am really saying id rather have two 480s than a single 1070 for any algo let alone eth where a single 480 is as fast as a 1070 |
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Im not sure these cards will really cause hash rates to go up, most of hash probably belongs to those giant gpu farms and this card should produce about the same hash as the 390. So its basically just a replacement card to reduce your electric bill and keep about the same amount of hash in your farm. If you/them were going to expand further that likely would happen regardless of this card getting released. The watts to hash is basically just a bonus and this will be the card everyone wants to expand on as well replace there existing gpus with.
I think this card will be difficult to get at first with the high demand by gamers and miners alike but then again ati might have planned for that with massive shipments. There are shipping containers filled full with the 480 as we speak sailing its way to our sea ports =P
no way i could expand woithoute these cards the older gen amd cards are too hot for the midrange farmer say 2500gh with these i can double my hash rate for the same density due to less heat and less power so id not say those who were going to expand anyways. i was done expanding actually donsizing till i got wind of these parts and im sure alot of other folks are of the same mind which is why i think it might end up a wash in the long term |
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It is 3D mark, so it is not too relavant to the Ethereum mining. It is even 40% slower than 1070, not very encouraging. seems that the 480 is close to nano speed and caps out at 100 watts http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months i would avoid buying a card only for one algo, on the other algo 480 will be worse than a 1070, and not by few % etheruem will not last forever, what you will do in six months then when another new algo will kick in and destroy etheruem that went pos? at that point would be wise to have a strong card with better density to save on many rigs gimme a break with your voodo economics its about making money now no one is making money with a $500 1070 fuck the future youre not fooling anyone bro no idiots here. if the 480 is decentcand price holds around 230 best belive im swapping put all my power hungry cards for it a $500 card that can be sold 1 year later for 400 , will hold its value no problem, the initial investment is not really a concern for me, what it matter is the profit you make with that card i bought my 970 for 230-240 euro i can easily sell them for the same price now 2 months later or even more buying a gpu only for one algo is not so different than buying an asic, shitty strategy also buying now a 1070 is not different than buying nano before(actually it's better nano was priced $600), same crap, so i don't understand the issue about the price really two 480s will mine at a minimum of 23 mhs each and both cost at worst and cost less than half the price of a 1070 and they will hold their value just as well as a 1070. We were buying nano's because there was nothing out there as efficient at the time , in 14 days all that changes it would be stupid to buy a single 1070 now when you will be able to get nearly double the hash rate for the same price and possibly with rom mods the close to the same power drain. The 1070 purchase is kind of moot anyways , you cant find them for sale anywhere ,at least you can find nanos in any quantity to you want. the 480 will most likely be priced higher than excepted the same is happening for the 1070, so do not expect 200 at launch at all but probably 250 or more in some country even 300 the new target price is 229 for the 480 btw.. since one 480 is equal to 970 in hashrate in any other algo and a 1070 it's already 50%(without any optimization i believe it can be pushed to 80% easily) faster than a 1070 you have already a card that is worth $400 and again i don't care about etheruem, you guys should really stop basing your argument only about etheruem when even now there is another more profitable coin retail for a 1070 is still 449 still nearly twice the price of a single 480 and $229 is the price of the 8gb 480 which no alogos need more than 4g . optimzation or not id rather have the amd parts right now , whose to say with optimzation they wont hash bettter on ther algos than expected either. price per watt is king though |
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I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months
Won't ETH be POS in a few months ? if by a few months you mean 10 months minimum yes lol on a side note i rached out to my contact in newegg buisness to try and get pricing on a preorder for 30k usd worth of 480s i really perfer the refernce cards for any amd cards i buy i have rfernce 290s i bought back in 2013 and cooked for years at 90degree temps gamed with etc that are currntly minng eth now beastly cards those rfernce amds man Hell of an order if they let you get that many, 150 gpu min if they don't give a bulk discount seems like a whole batch of cards newegg would get. Any chances of getting an order directly with AMD? yeah i doubt they would sell that many but a few months back they were willing to sell me 20k worth of 390s althought that card was priced at 320 at the time. supposedly yeild rates on the asic qualities required for these mid range cards the 480 and 470 ,460 are really good at 14nm so it stands to reason this being a mainstream card there will be plenty of stock. the 1080 ans 1070 are high end parts with higer rquired asic quality yeild chips and its well documeted that thier supplier i has been having alot of issues producing alot of high quality chips thus the card shortage |
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It says Friday hows that happy trading lol |
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we have to update from 3.0 to 3.1 version for client ?
It updates automatically, no worries  FUD ? |
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It is 3D mark, so it is not too relavant to the Ethereum mining. It is even 40% slower than 1070, not very encouraging. seems that the 480 is close to nano speed and caps out at 100 watts http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months Hope it is good. My only concern is the memory width of only 256 bit, it might be just a little faster than 380. Not considering architectural and slightly higher CU changes between the 380 and 480 and on base clocks that 380 does 21MH/s @ 1500 mem clock, the 480 *should* run AT LEAST 28MH with its mem clock of 2000. I wouldn't be surprised if we see 30+ on it with just small OC's. That sounds amazing all for 100 watts or less ?! The big question is now with this cheap powerful card on the horizon hash rates could start to climb even faster lol and erase the gains in power since you will need more and more cards to keep pace with the already ballooning hash rate. The old bitcoin mining theory of older cards coming off as hash rate rises (which i never believed anyways since most people who use older cards have cheap or free power anyways) wont apply here since even with 17cents power eth is profitable still. People with free power will buy 390s still since they should drop in price. I hope this quashes all the rumors and innuendos that AMD and NVIDA care about mining , they really could give a flying f**k as you can see lol |
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I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months
Won't ETH be POS in a few months ? if by a few months you mean 10 months minimum yes lol on a side note i rached out to my contact in newegg buisness to try and get pricing on a preorder for 30k usd worth of 480s i really perfer the refernce cards for any amd cards i buy i have rfernce 290s i bought back in 2013 and cooked for years at 90degree temps gamed with etc that are currntly minng eth now beastly cards those rfernce amds man |
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It is 3D mark, so it is not too relavant to the Ethereum mining. It is even 40% slower than 1070, not very encouraging. seems that the 480 is close to nano speed and caps out at 100 watts http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months i would avoid buying a card only for one algo, on the other algo 480 will be worse than a 1070, and not by few % etheruem will not last forever, what you will do in six months then when another new algo will kick in and destroy etheruem that went pos? at that point would be wise to have a strong card with better density to save on many rigs gimme a break with your voodo economics its about making money now no one is making money with a $500 1070 fuck the future youre not fooling anyone bro no idiots here. if the 480 is decentcand price holds around 230 best belive im swapping put all my power hungry cards for it a $500 card that can be sold 1 year later for 400 , will hold its value no problem, the initial investment is not really a concern for me, what it matter is the profit you make with that card i bought my 970 for 230-240 euro i can easily sell them for the same price now 2 months later or even more buying a gpu only for one algo is not so different than buying an asic, shitty strategy also buying now a 1070 is not different than buying nano before(actually it's better nano was priced $600), same crap, so i don't understand the issue about the price really two 480s will mine at a minimum of 23 mhs each and both cost at worst and cost less than half the price of a 1070 and they will hold their value just as well as a 1070. We were buying nano's because there was nothing out there as efficient at the time , in 14 days all that changes it would be stupid to buy a single 1070 now when you will be able to get nearly double the hash rate for the same price and possibly with rom mods the close to the same power drain. The 1070 purchase is kind of moot anyways , you cant find them for sale anywhere ,at least you can find nanos in any quantity to you want. |
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I'll leave other to post pics. Got mine today and so far am - happy - with it but...
A. is so far averaging just over 13THs
B. A thermal design issue raises it head with these. The middle card and the one with long finned heatsinks facing the case wall run well over 4.3-.5 THs each. They report chip temps of around 90C. The one with the short fin topsinks facing the case is giving a bit over 3THs and reports the chip temp as banging around 99-100C. The air coming out of that card is also substantially warmer than the other 2. Will measure temps tomorrow sometime.
The root problem is that the short sinks are presenting a much high airflow resistance because the flow channel is restricted by them and the case wall. If somehow move the cards over a smig, hell even 1/8" might do it, then airflow should remarkably improve.
yes short term I down clocked from 650 to 625. But UPS was late. I had to dissemble the avalon6s from the array. My sprained ankle from 65 days ago still hurts. ( bitch to be 59 it would have healed in under 10 days when I was 25-30) The mining gear is in a loft with a ladder. First time I turned them on I climbed down the ladder knowing they were mining for bitmaintech. So we went to the pc to check them and setup kano.is temps were very high chips in the 90's   only 2 machines and a large loft I was supposed to point miners in the direction in this photo about 70 feet and an up draft fan in the center  Baller alert , you have one of those EGO eclectic mowers how do you like it ? |
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It is 3D mark, so it is not too relavant to the Ethereum mining. It is even 40% slower than 1070, not very encouraging. seems that the 480 is close to nano speed and caps out at 100 watts http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months i would avoid buying a card only for one algo, on the other algo 480 will be worse than a 1070, and not by few % etheruem will not last forever, what you will do in six months then when another new algo will kick in and destroy etheruem that went pos? at that point would be wise to have a strong card with better density to save on many rigs gimme a break with your voodo economics its about making money now no one is making money with a $500 1070 fuck the future youre not fooling anyone bro no idiots here. if the 480 is decentcand price holds around 230 best belive im swapping put all my power hungry cards for it |
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It is 3D mark, so it is not too relavant to the Ethereum mining. It is even 40% slower than 1070, not very encouraging. seems that the 480 is close to nano speed and caps out at 100 watts http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months |
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Something tells me that right now you are better off buying a 390 and mining today rather then waiting and buying the 480 in the future even if you have high electricity costs.
depends on if you can handle the heat i had 2700 worth of hash 1300 worth was 390s but i would get alot of unstable and overheating rigs in my mining area so i sold the 390 hash and replace it with 3 rigs of nanos and now i have virtually no downtime or random events of 5 or six rigs going down my hash is only 1700 now but far more stable going forward im waiting for 480s 470 or more nanos |
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With the price bump in ether the wait for this card to get released feel like forever and then we don't even know how well it will perform.
Yes. I am thinking if I should wait another 16 days or buy some R9 390 now. I can start making money now. Depens on if you dont have a problem with the heat and power drain of the 390s if you have power under .10cents i would say buy as many 390 as you can as long as you can cool them the 390s run HOT and also the 970s as well , compared to the nanos and these newer cards which can mine at full power at 70degrees easily even in a poorly ventilated area like mine. People always worry about power use but the bigger issue is the heat, the higer the power drain of a GPU the more heat it will generate and you have to be able to counteract that somehow. also this will lead to increase in cost, because to cool down each of those rig you need additional fan that are not free, and increase the overall consumption i added industrial noctua now that we are in summer, and they are expensive yeah and fans can only do so much its curious to me that unlike the 1000 series where we had a fe in the wild two weeks before luanch we have not a single review on a 480 or 480x is the card gonq be delayed ? i stopped most of my card buys (nanos) waiting for the 480 benchmarks which i really regret no with th craZy price spike these last days waitinv for news on the 480 |
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I think mining ethereum still profitable and many miners still choosesn ethereum to mine. if you have a good rig to mine ethereum better to buy the best GPU 4gb in up to make more ethereum fast..before ethereum will explode to increase the value this coming block halving..
There is no block halving in Ethereum... true but it is traded against BTC thus ethereum price will be halved as well It does not work that way. If the bitcoin price doubles, everything else priced in bitcoin will be halved. But the price in US dollar is the same. you can make more money now than when bitcoin was at 500, because the value of etheruem is still there, not counting the pump to 0.03 Mining Ethereum is still very profitable as its price has risen in dollar terms. As long as your cost in in fiat, it is OK to mine. I thought the Ethereum price could crash after the DAO listing, but it is still very strong. I will mine at again. 1 thing I learnt here is to completly ignore the altcoin discussion.... Yup same here i only read it for entertainment purposes and to find out the new item thats being pumped I found out about waves out there and ill probbaly make a killing with the 5btc worth i bought other than that i ignore most of the spam out there |
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