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4361  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 29, 2011, 07:44:48 PM

That's f'ing awesome!
4362  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: All that "waste" of computing power... on: June 29, 2011, 06:24:51 PM
Why should I read it?  I know that it's wrong.
Controversial, I know ... but maybe you should read it before you decide whether it's wrong or not. Seemed a very well thought out comment to me.

This is the title...

"Could BitCoin be a decentralized password cracking system?"

This is the money quote...

"Could these mining processes be used to crack highly encrypted passwords and encryption keys by linking together computers for unmatched processing power?"

The answer is, no it cannot.  Thus continuing is not worth my time.  Anyone who can read the code, read the packets leaving their own computer, or even read blockexplorer.com, would know the answer to this question.  Nothing, and I mean nothing is actually being encrypted or decrypted in the bitcoin system, and certainly not in the p2p portion.  Bitcoin doesn't even use methods capable of encryption or decryption of arbitrary data.  Bitcoin uses secure hashing methods and secure public/private digital signature methods.  Nothing in bitcoin can actually do what it is accused of doing.  The open nature of Bitcoin aside for just a moment, the code cannot actually do it.  This crap is just FUD, and doesn't deserve the attention that I've already granted it.

That said, pool mining potentially could be used as cover for a distributed brute force cracking network, but pools are not Bitcoin.
What about making rainbow tables for the hash function?

Even that is easy to check for, since the packets entering or leaving your computer are not encrypted.
4363  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Transaction Volume on: June 29, 2011, 05:46:09 PM
Two questions maybe someone can answer:

How could one determine the ACTUAL number of BTC transfered daily?


www.bitcoinwatch.com

Quote
Where do transaction fees go?

Transaction fees are added to the block reward given to the miner who finds the solution to the block your transaction is included within.
4364  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflation and Bitcoin, the last word on this forum on: June 29, 2011, 04:09:08 PM
That's what some people don't like about bitcoin and why many people think central banks are a good thing.

Yeah, many people think that the gold standard worsened the Great Depression because the Fed was limited by what it could do.

(please don't flame me)

Perhaps you are referring to "Golden Fetters: The Gold Standard and the Great Depression" by Barry Eichengreen.
Book learning isn't tolerated around here. So you are right to expect to get flamed.

Enter the ignorant hordes....


Just because someone once published a book on the topic, doesn't make them right.
4365  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: THIS is Why Bitcoin Has and Will Gain Support and Popularity on: June 29, 2011, 02:33:37 PM

The Federal Reserve would crush iCoin before it had a chance to finish the job.  Paper, rock, scissors.
4366  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 29, 2011, 02:29:51 PM
http://www.good.is/post/why-bitcoin-is-a-scam/?utm_content=image&utm_medium=hp_carousel&utm_source=slide_5

hehe, oh the intellect of some! i guess a license to write is not dependent on your understanding of the letter you pen...

He gets it wrong almost right of the bat when he says "decoders" get a 50 BTC bounty. I wish I could get 50 BTC for "decoding the block". And he seems to not realize the system isn't designed based on "trust" but rather on cryptographic reliability. No one is trusted, all facts are checked cryptographically. I didn't read much further when I figured out he didn't get it at all.

It's not even a decent hit piece.  I don't think the author is being malicious, he is just poorly informed.  There will come a day that he will regret his current position.
4367  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price is too high at 20$/BTC on: June 29, 2011, 02:00:29 PM
I don't need an exchange now.  I've never cashed out.  I've bought many physical and digital goods, but never cash.  I'm sure that day will come, but I'm not really willing to do so before Bitcoin is big enough that local people are asking for exchange.
How many of those were from sellers that could only offer goods for bitcoins because they had access to an exchange?

I couldn't possibly answer that question.  Exchanges are a good thing, my point is that they are not critical to the functions of Bitcoin.  As Bitcoin matures, exchanges will become even less relevant until they are as necessary to the average bitcoiner as the Forex is to the average first world citizen, which is almost zero.
4368  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 29, 2011, 04:35:19 AM
The author uses Flooz as an example of a failed online currency. Flooz was based in New York City. Flooz was a dotcom, bitcoin is not a dotcom. The company was investigated by the FBI. Bitcoin is decentralized. The FBI has no jurisdiction over the global economy. There is absolutely no comparison.

I keep hearing about this comparison of Bitcoin to failed digital currencies, and specificly Beans and Flooz.  Yet I had never even heard of either of them before Bitcoin.  I can't see how either of them could still compare at all, did either make a market cap of over $100 million?
4369  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflation and Bitcoin, the last word on this forum on: June 29, 2011, 04:32:57 AM
Nobody with an IQ lower than 40 could feed themselves, much less make any rational choice about currencies.
4370  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to run an Anarchy on: June 29, 2011, 04:29:03 AM
I meant to imply that it was contingent on impossible conditions.  And it's not just due process but the entire legal system that is contingent on impossible conditions.

I am interested in knowing where you think things are different, so you can tell me which of these you disagree with, (or the logical step from one to another).

1. Assumption: any person or group can call themselves a 'court' and make decisions.  There exist a diversity of courts and a diversity of interpretations of law.
2. There is no way to determine which court will have jurisdiction, as parties will seek courts that agree with their interpretation.  If any person can be a court unto themselves, he can refuse the jurisdiction of any court other than himself.
3. The ability to pick and choose courts also means the ability to pick and choose interpretations of words.
4. Law that can be reinterpreted to mean what you want them to mean is the same as no law at all.
5. If we are not subject to lawful force, we will be subject to unlawful force.  And this is the difference between having due process and not.


First, let me state that I actually agree with your position that a complete anarchy is impossible for reasons similar to your line of thought above.  Which is why I'm a lib and not an anarchist.

That said, that above statements have an unstated assumption.  Namely that there isn't such a thing as a natural or common body of law.  Thus, although #1 is true on it's face, it's not likely in practice.  Mediation is just another service, and people will seek out those who have a history dealing with this topic.  More likely, contract level disputes will already have a named court system to act as an arbitraitor, similar to the merchant courts of the last several centuries and the International Business Court of London.  Neither had any government backing, but their decisions are binding because businesses specificly refer to them as the court in juristiction in contracts.

#2 then falls flat, in most cases, because not only would most explicit contracts have a named court (and if that court is suspected of bias or corruption, a competing arbitraitor will take their business) but there will settle to be local arbitraitors to settle civil disputes among locals that didn't have such a contract.

#3 does not follow, because the meaning of words are not relevant in a natural law/common body of law court.  If the court tries to start making crap up that doesn't fit the public's understanding of the common law, they will start losing business.

And therefor #4 fails.

But I honestly don't know how to respond to #5, because just because a court makes a decision, doesn't make force lawful.  And words on paper and declared law by a group of rich men, democraticly elected or not, doesn't make force lawful either.  If you want to get technical, those aren't laws, they are statutes.  And if pressed, even they will make that distinction.  The term "the Law" used to have a very specific meaning in former colonies of the British Empire, and referred to the body of law that we now call British Common Law.  I live in a commonwealth state, that explicitly refers back to British Common Law as it's default body of law.
4371  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin Survive? Is It Legal? - Forbes on: June 29, 2011, 01:11:33 AM
That's what is exciting... there is no way to stop it, but they have to try. Government has to because of taxes, finance has to try because of fees. It's on. It's going to make napster v. music look like a thumb wrestling match. IMHO

Realistically, nerds better get on telling their parents and grandparents about this funny money sooner than later, because once government informs an older person on how to think, it's pretty much done.

Till they die.
4372  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price is too high at 20$/BTC on: June 29, 2011, 01:02:08 AM
I don't need an exchange now.  I've never cashed out.  I've bought many physical and digital goods, but never cash.

Which makes you an exception.

You can't possiblely know this with any certainty.
4373  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Deep block chain re-organisation on: June 29, 2011, 01:00:28 AM
Hi,

What happens if there's a fork really deep?


That's astronomicly unlikely to occur, but even if it did, all the clients have benchmarking hard coded into them that prevents them from going back and reorging beyond their latest benchmarked block.  The benchmarking basicly involves a list of block numbers chosen largely at random, and their established hash values.  If there is any kind of blockchain attack that tries to convince one or more clients that there is a differnet true chain, it must also be able to match hashs with these benchmarks as far back as they go, and not all of the clients have the same benchmarking list, so even diving into your own client to find the list to match won't necessarily mean that an attacker won't run into a client with a different benchmarked list.
4374  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Newbie restrictions on: June 29, 2011, 12:53:11 AM
I see where this policy is coming from but it seems to be seriously flawed.

1) the four hour limit just means that people will idle, occasionally switching pages to make sure they're still logged in and logging back in if they get auto-logged out. In essence this limit accomplishes absolutely nothing while annoying legitimate users

Yes, but bots won't be able to do anything outside of the newbie forums, and bots posting in the newbie forums are easy to identify and destroy.
4375  Economy / Goods / Re: Selling off my mining rigs on: June 29, 2011, 12:50:57 AM
Wow, this makes me realize where all that processing power comes from.

I never thought about this... if there ever is a large price crash in Bitcoin, the hardware markets will be flooded with used high-throughput graphics cards.

And the Southern Islands GPUs are around the corner... ebay might be a feast for gamers soon. Grin

That's just the ebb and flow of markets, as applied to bitcoin mining.  I'm in the market for some used mining gear to build my mining heater for my garage.  It might need to be as large as a rack for an electric heater as powerful as I can buy at Wal-Mart for $30, but this one has the potential of paying for itself.  Any miners who live in climates with a heating season longer than 6 months should really consider shutting down, but waiting until fall before considering selling.  Any miners in  tropical climates really shouldn't be mining at all.  The thread with the miner in Hawaii, with year round AC demands and 25 cents per KWH, just made me laugh. 
4376  Other / Off-topic / Re: Last Person to Reply Wins 1 BTC! on: June 29, 2011, 12:41:39 AM
Whoever wins this has no life.

Or mod powers.

EDIT: keep your money.
4377  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price is too high at 20$/BTC on: June 29, 2011, 12:37:55 AM
Bitcoin has the advantage of having a public ledger that can be verified by anyone. To be sure, an exchange that produces a flattened market for Bitcoin has certain desirable traits, but it is by no means the only tool in the shed.

As far as I'm concerned the sooner you don't need an exchange at all the better, but I'm not saying that's going to happen soon, or is very realistic to begin with either.


I don't need an exchange now.  I've never cashed out.  I've bought many physical and digital goods, but never cash.  I'm sure that day will come, but I'm not really willing to do so before Bitcoin is big enough that local people are asking for exchange.
4378  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Bank on: June 29, 2011, 12:33:54 AM

And someone asked if there is insurance if the site get's hacked?  Though we're taking every single security option we can think of,   Last time I checked the FDIC doesn't insure bitcoins....  if anyone has any ideas I am all ears.


We don't need the FDIC.  If you can get the explict backing of some early adopter with substantial reserves, who is willing to function in the position of the FDIC, that would be grand.  This alone would give any wallet service a huge advantage over the others, whether they offer dividends or not.

Is this bank going to be fractional?  If so, what will the ratio be?  What kind of loans, CD's, etc do you plan to offer?  I can imagine that such a bank that offers a 50% reserve ratio, and invests into it's own mining hardware, might be able to make this all work; but some kind of major backing would certianly quiet my nerves.
4379  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflation and Bitcoin, the last word on this forum on: June 29, 2011, 12:25:19 AM

If you would like to show appreciation for your economics lesson, my donation address is:



If you were my student, you would be held back.  The part that I find most amusing is that some teenager actually believes that he is giving me an economics lesson.

EDIT:  BTW, mine were not assumptions.
4380  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: All that "waste" of computing power... on: June 29, 2011, 12:17:16 AM
Why should I read it?  I know that it's wrong.
Controversial, I know ... but maybe you should read it before you decide whether it's wrong or not. Seemed a very well thought out comment to me.

This is the title...

"Could BitCoin be a decentralized password cracking system?"

This is the money quote...

"Could these mining processes be used to crack highly encrypted passwords and encryption keys by linking together computers for unmatched processing power?"

The answer is, no it cannot.  Thus continuing is not worth my time.  Anyone who can read the code, read the packets leaving their own computer, or even read blockexplorer.com, would know the answer to this question.  Nothing, and I mean nothing is actually being encrypted or decrypted in the bitcoin system, and certainly not in the p2p portion.  Bitcoin doesn't even use methods capable of encryption or decryption of arbitrary data.  Bitcoin uses secure hashing methods and secure public/private digital signature methods.  Nothing in bitcoin can actually do what it is accused of doing.  The open nature of Bitcoin aside for just a moment, the code cannot actually do it.  This crap is just FUD, and doesn't deserve the attention that I've already granted it.

That said, pool mining potentially could be used as cover for a distributed brute force cracking network, but pools are not Bitcoin.
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