The Turkey coup d'etat was a deliberate false flag by Erdogan to cement his power
It's simple, really.
Erdogan was struggling with approval lately, thus he orchestrated a coup during which, inexplicably, a lot civilians were injured, killed or at least fired upon (in contrast to the past 4 coups, where the military focus was solely on government).
Now he has a legitimate reason to cut civil liberties even more, suppress all opposition and become a de-facto dictator with little resistance from the international community.
And since he smack down a coup by dangerous psychos killing civilians and not a legitimate opposition, he will walk away the hero protecting his people.
Edit: Also consider how quickly this ended and the small part of the military that was involved. All past coups have been orchestrated nation-wide by huge portions of the military.
Yeah, its suspicious and raises alot of questions. A conspiracy theory but what I'm sure is Erdogan is not the right person for Turkey's leadership and is suffering. Erdogan should not lead any country. What has been happening in Turkey so far is very evil. The problem is that the whole government is pretty much corrupted. You can't get rid of the leader when all his underlings are vying for him. And you can't take out a whole parliament. Biggest issue in my opinion is turkish people. And i really mean it. I saw it with my eyes yesterday. After such an unfortunate situation like coup(fake or real doesnt matter), government called people by announcing from mosques every hour and they killed those young soldiers who didnt even know why they were there. Turkish military soldiers are beaten, tortured and murdered on streets by people and those murderers are claimed as worriors,saviors of democrasy and erdogan turns into a national hero and commander soon. This is madness. Indeed. Not everyone here is like that but we've seen those people yesterday... Killing innocent privates shouting Allahuaqbar and stuff. This is just pure madness. And thte call to prayers and Salas, telling people to go out on the streets were so dumb as well. And those people who killed those soldiers think that they're the guardiands of the democracy and celebrating today. |
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey
Please, put the proof of such demand. Proof of what? The relations between Gülen Movement and the Turkish Government have been very bad for the last few years. The government claims this was their job, Erdoğan said that they demand him from the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_government_%E2%80%93_G%C3%BClen_Movement_conflictWell the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey but US denies. Fethullah Gülen's organisation is like a cult, government was very close with them, doing all sorts of stuff with them but they became enemies with Erdoğan later than.
Turkish here, feel free to ask me any questions.
Excellent! Why do you consider them a cult? Why do you not consider Erdogan as a member of this cult given the close, symbiotic relationship Gulen and Erdogan shared as they proffered democracy to the Turks and rose to power? Because they're Islamists as well, having their own school courses which are over religious and stuff. Erdoğan was very close with the Gülen Movement before like I said but now they're enemies, I wouldn't consider him a member of this movement. Okay. Now, Russian media is saying that the coup attempt was caused by Erdogan's support of Islamist groups in Turkey and that the army felt that Erdogan wasn't putting enough pressure on IS. So it seems like he is still close to the movement in this case. I don't know man this seems really fishy or unorganised. Like most soldiers didn't shoot, just surrendered and the angry mob beat them, killed some of them. People are in like celebrating like they're the guardians of democracy and stuff (pro government people and Islamists) one thing is for sure, this will help Erdoğan getting more powers and the presidency system. |
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey
Please, put the proof of such demand. I watched a video from 1993? To what end? This is 2016.
This is how the proofs are produced. The court accept such videos. And For the Public opinion such "proofs" are a 100% true. The proof of your first quote is in every American publication I pick up. The Turkish courts indicted Gulen in October last year for crimes against the state; specifically for attempting to overthrow the government. They have been demanding his extradition since that time. As for your second, a court would accept this as proof of events in 1993 but not proof of events yesterday. It would be inadmissible as evidence of the coup attempt. I didn't say that Gülen was behind the coup, I just said what the government officials claimed. Like I said everything looks fishy about what happened these days. |
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey
Please, put the proof of such demand. Proof of what? The relations between Gülen Movement and the Turkish Government have been very bad for the last few years. The government claims this was their job, Erdoğan said that they demand him from the US. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_government_%E2%80%93_G%C3%BClen_Movement_conflictWell the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey but US denies. Fethullah Gülen's organisation is like a cult, government was very close with them, doing all sorts of stuff with them but they became enemies with Erdoğan later than.
Turkish here, feel free to ask me any questions.
Excellent! Why do you consider them a cult? Why do you not consider Erdogan as a member of this cult given the close, symbiotic relationship Gulen and Erdogan shared as they proffered democracy to the Turks and rose to power? Because they're Islamists as well, having their own school courses which are over religious and stuff. Erdoğan was very close with the Gülen Movement before like I said but now they're enemies, I wouldn't consider him a member of this movement. |
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Well, Turkey is getting away from Europe approaching to Middle East.
In fact, Turkey never really was part of Europe. Their mentality, culture, tradition, history etc. is much more connected with Asia than Europe. It's obvious that even many countries in EU seriously doubt should Turkey ever become part of EU? Such thing, as military coup, it's not possible in Europe any more. Their democratic standard is weaker than in europe, even behind Albania or Kosovo. Turkish society really have serious issues right now and nobody can help them to solve it. I hope that Turkey will not accept radical Islam now, like neighbor countries around. There are secular parts and people in Turkey, it's not like It's an Islamic kingdom. Yes the government is corrupt but Turkey was found as a full secular and modern country against all kinds of superstitions it was a modern European country back then but Turkey is pretty mixed right now, both secularists and Islamists. |
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Well the government demans US to give Fethullah Gülen to Turkey but US denies. Fethullah Gülen's organisation is like a cult, government was very close with them, doing all sorts of stuff with them but they became enemies with Erdoğan later than.
Turkish here, feel free to ask me any questions.
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Turkish here, what I know is this is REALLY strange, like this is either something else or something so poorly organised.
Can you give us more information (because you are in Turkey and of course you know more things than us)? I live in the capital but at the time, I was visiting relatives in a small city with my family. My friends from the capital was saying there are F16s flying really low for hours and posting snaps, news from the Istanbul showed that some soliders had closed the Bosphours bridge and a friend who was traveling to Istanbul said they are making all the busses return, what the hell is going on? We were confused, didn't know what was happening, I stayed up till 5-6 am that night to follow the news A few hours later, tanks and armored personnel carriers were rolling onto the streets in Ankara and Istanbul, government officials said that this was an 'uprising and that they would pay the biggest price' Then, some soliders took over the TRT(the national TV station) and made the anchorwoman read a statement that said that 'By the orders of the Turkish Armed Forces this statement has to be shown in every TV station, saying that there's a curfew, a martial law and saying that they took over the government as Yurtta Sulh Konseyi (Peace at home council) the statement was pretty long, I can link the full statement. At the same night some soldiers also took over the CNN Türk, Hürriyet Newspapers' office too, in the CNN Türk, they connected to the president via Facetime, he told people to go out on the streets and protest this. So millions of people (Almost all of them are Islamists or pro government people) gone out on the streets. Joint Chiefs of Staff HQ, Gendermerie HQ was attacked by helicopters of coup forces. They also hit Police Special Forces HQ, Armed Special Forces HQ as well, also after Erdoğan left on a plane, they hit his hotel too. They also took Head of Armed Forces Hulusi Akart hostage too, he's rescued now. Most soldiers on the street were privates, who didn't know that there was a coup plot so most of them didn't even fire, surrendered but the angry mob that president called out on the streets killed some of them, there are NSFW videos all over there, killing unarmed, surrendered soldiers. But the fishy thing is they didn't take any politicials or did any very strong moves like it wasn't like a coup and they started doing this at 10PM. There are several theories. Government claims that the coup attempt was done by a small group in the army, people from the FETÖ (they're like an Islamic cult which were like brothers with the government years ago but now total enemies) There were also call to the prayers and salas till the morning from all the mosques in the country which is another fucked up thing. 265 dead. ((other source says only 20 coup forces killed) gov-source: 104 coup forces, ~40 civilians, ~161 pro-gov forces [117 unknown combatants, 41 police, 2 soldiers]) 1,600+ injured. 3000+ soldiers arrested 2700+ judges arrested (2 Supreme Court members) 6 generals arrested (4-star generals: 1 AF Chief, 2 Army Cmdrs) You can check this thread out on reddit https://www.reddit.com/r/Turkey/comments/4t6ql6/facts_about_turkish_coup_july_15_2016/Feel free to ask me any questions. |
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Malatya'da 2.Ordu Karargahına ateş açıldığı söyleniyor fakat birkaç site haricinde kaynak bulamadım, doğruluğu hakkında bilgisi olan var mı?
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Turkish here, what I know is this is REALLY strange, like this is either something else or something so poorly organised.
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Bir grup havacı genç subay ve destekçilerinin mikro seviyede bir darbe girişimi olduğuna dair bilgi düştü internet'e.
tbmm üstünden alçaktan uçan uçaklara polisin ateş açtığı söyleniyor.
CNN Türk'te Binali Yıldırım konuştu, bu bir kalkışma girişimidir falan diyordu. Karışacak gibi ortalık. |
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Şu an memleketteyim, Ankara'da değilim fakat Ankara'daki arkadaşlar özellikle Bahçelievler-Emek civarlarında jetlerin alçak uçuş yaptığını söylüyor.
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beter olsun kahrolasıcalar . dünya yasa bürünmüş. vay vay vay. biz hergün şehit verirken dünyanın şeyindemi. pyd desteklenirken türkmenler öldürülürken kimse masumlar için konuşmuyor. böyle olaylar olunca aklımıza geliyor insanlık. bu insanlıksa insanlığınızda batsın.
Eğer siz cidden böyle bir şey diyebiliyorsanız, o saldırıyı yapan kişiden hiçbir farkınız yok. Masum insanlar sadece, milli bayramlarını kutlarken 84 kişi ölüyor, birçok insan hayatına yakın(lar)ı eksik başladı bugün. |
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O tabela gözüme çarpmamış eğer ilk bölümdeyse, ikinci bölümü daha izlemedim fakat Bitcoin logolu kamyon gözüme çarptı ilk bölümde   Evet, bundan bahsediyordum. Ayrıca iki sahne daha var Bitcoin ve Bitcoin sembolü geçen, bu sezonda dizide gelişen olaylar neticesinde kriptopara kullanımını daha fazla göstereceklerini düşünüyorum. |
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Twitch'te falan görüyorum birçok kişi var GPS hack yapan, umarım iyi bir anti hile sistemi geliştirmişlerdir de banlanır hile yapanlar, böyle bir oyunda bir insan ne amaçla hile yapar anlamıyorum.
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Oha, rule 34 yine geçerliliğini gösteriyor, redditte subredditi olmayan bir şey yok sanırım  |
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Telefon cepte geziyorum da demin bahsettiğim bluetooth kulaklık olayı sound Effect lerde tepki veriyor iyi olur. Müziksiz, kafa yormuyor. Pokemon belirdiğnde çıkan özel bir ses var veya pokestop alanına girdgnde vs . Hepsini seçebiliyorsun, ben mesela pokemon toplayacaksma gezintim sırasında sadece o seslere tepki verip alıp bakıyorum bğeenirsem yakalıyorum yoksa gezmeye devam.
Bir de telefon tutucusu almayı düşünüyorum, daha önceden bakmıştım da fiyatları saçma diye almadım ucuz bulursam alacağım, telefonu navigasyon olarakta kullanmak için ideal oluyor bisikletein gidona sabitliyorsun.
Dediğiniz gibi daha rahat olur, haklısınız. Reddit'te kendi telefon tutucusunu yapanlar vardı bisikletine |
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Tablet sayılır mı bilmem ama bir kaç sene içerisinde chromebook lar pazara hakim olacak.
Üstad bu chromebook olayını çok tartıştık başka forumlarda. DH daki abiler de seninle aynı fikirde ancak ben chromebook un Türkiye'de yaygınlaşamayacağını düşünüyorum. chromebook hızlı internet bağlantın varsa anlamlı. Arkadaşım var ABD de yaşan o chromebook kullanıyor çok mutlu. ofis ihtiyaçlarını da google dan hallediyor. şubat tatilinde Ankara'ya geldiler. Burda evde 8 mbps adsl var. bizim wifi ye dahil oldu çalışamadı uyuz oldu. Bence de, Chromebooklar ayrıca içine Linux vs. kurulmadıkça çok kısıtlı, internete mahkumsunuz çoğu işlem için. Bildiğim kadarıyla bazı chromebook modellerine xubuntu felan kurulabiliyor ama ne kadar verimli olur? Arkadaşım 99 USD ye Lenovo 100S aldı amerikada buna ubuntu kurdu kullanıyor ama 32GB microsd kart normal bir hdd ye göre çok aşırı yavaş kalıyormuş dediğine göre. Xubuntu, Lubuntu falan kurulabildiğini biliyorum da ne kadar verimli oluyor bilmiyorum hiç Chromebook kullanmadım fakat Chromebooklar'a Linux için redditte /r/ChrUbuntu subredditini buldm bakabilirsiniz. |
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Bendeki mevcut sistem: NG450 salcano bisiklet Bluetooth kulaklık Powerbank 20 bin lik 2 USB çıkışlı Ben bunları çok önceden kendi teknolojim için almıştım, bir süredir gezinti yapıyordum, Spotify dan müzik açıp geziyordum şimdi Pokemon Go açıp geziyorum  Pokemon go ayarları: Settings de herşey disable, sadece Sound Effect açık. Battery saver da kapalı daha çok bug oluşuyor iPhone da. tecrübeme göre. Full şarjla 2-3 saat çok rahat geziyorum, azalırsa yapıştırıyorum powerbank i aynı devam. İş günlerinde tabi bu kadar gezilmiyor haftasonu ancak. Birde bizim burada yeni elemanlarla tanıştık her akşam buluşuyorlar biri lure atıyor, hep berbaer sohbet muhabbet pokestop gezintileri filan. Güzel makara . Abartmamak lazım ama tek şeritli yolda yolu kapatıp arabayı durdurup pokemon yakalayanlar gördüm gerek yok yani o kadarına Battery saverda oyun çökebiliyor bazen Android'de de, onu da hesaba katmak lazım. Eğer telefon cebinizde yürüyorsanız titreşimi de açık tutmak lazım. Ben oyunun zevkini daha çıkaramadım pek ufak yerdeyim şu an Ankara'ya gidince nasıl olacak bakalım |
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I saw a sticker for bitcoin in the second epesode in the super market scene. I assume it is bitcoin accepted here sticker but it was not clear so I just noticed the big BTC
There is alone another one I noticed, there is a BTC symbol in the sandwich place. |
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Tablet sayılır mı bilmem ama bir kaç sene içerisinde chromebook lar pazara hakim olacak.
Üstad bu chromebook olayını çok tartıştık başka forumlarda. DH daki abiler de seninle aynı fikirde ancak ben chromebook un Türkiye'de yaygınlaşamayacağını düşünüyorum. chromebook hızlı internet bağlantın varsa anlamlı. Arkadaşım var ABD de yaşan o chromebook kullanıyor çok mutlu. ofis ihtiyaçlarını da google dan hallediyor. şubat tatilinde Ankara'ya geldiler. Burda evde 8 mbps adsl var. bizim wifi ye dahil oldu çalışamadı uyuz oldu. Bence de, Chromebooklar ayrıca içine Linux vs. kurulmadıkça çok kısıtlı, internete mahkumsunuz çoğu işlem için. |
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