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441  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What happened when btc frm Nakamoto's wallet moved to binance?? on: May 29, 2018, 05:25:24 AM
Imagine one day all the btc moved frm Satoshi Nakamoto's wallet to binance exchange Huh
If all the bitcoins will move from SATOSHI NAKAMOTO Easley to binance exchange then there will be huge panic among people, the valuation will deflate to very low valuation,Internet breaks will occur, bitcoin sites will get hanged , people will then hesitate to invest again into bitcoin when then again prices starts inflating and will recover then people again trust the bitcoin and the drama that has happened will be ended and people will starts investing if valuation starts inflating again.
442  Economy / Speculation / Re: why bitcoin is volatility? on: May 29, 2018, 05:20:03 AM
Why bitcoin is votality compare to fiat money. Many say bitcoin is not a good investment because it is votality.

What is votality?
liability to change rapidly and unpredictably, especially for the worse. this is the fast price change.

Why is the votality of bitcoin high?
Bitcoin is a low supply at the time of its growing number of users and it has become a demand for the masses. Many want to buy, Many want to sell in easy-word multiple transactions. When many bitcoin transactions are fast market movements and we do not know what might happen because of the emotion of the seller and the buyer may have the price increase or decrease. So the bitcoin is votality because of the small supply and in-demand.

Why is fiat money not too volatility?
Because the government is able to regulate a traditional money, they can make new money and just increase its supply so that it does not have a votality compare to bitcoin.

Note: This is my only opinion, if you have any opinion you can also share it.
Volatility is the property of the currency to undergo rapid and unpredictable flactuation and I think bitcoin is the most volatile crypto currency among all and the reason being the multi transactions. People buy and sell bitcoins very rapidly and I think this is all because of the that valuation flactuation, people always have fear of there loses so they keep on buying and selling and this bitcoin is very volatile in comparison to Fiat currency whose valuation is fixed and does not undergo flactuation
443  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you think we don't get quality Bitcoin users anymore? on: May 28, 2018, 11:05:07 AM
Maybe I'm wrong but I have the feeling that with Bitcoin price growth we have got a lot of new users who are not honesty and passionate interested in Bitcoin but only in fast, instant profit and if they don't get it they got disappointed and give up. Some of them don't even bother to get some basic knowledge about Bitcoin and cryptocurrencies in general. That is also the reason why we see so much panic selling when the price dumps. Is that only my feeling or do you think that also?
I don’t think the same like you because many of the people who are investing into bitcoin are only because of the profit ratio of bitcoin because now bitcoin are now in controversies that bitcoin being the most profitable crypto currency and all big industries, multinational companies, all the whales invest into bitcoin for their profit only , there could be only few who invest into bitcoin very wisely after getting all the information and making strategy before investing into bitcoin and I am one of those who invest into bitcoin for the profit but sometimes I invest wisely.
444  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I have NEVER seen Bitcoin in such a sorry state as this!! on: May 28, 2018, 10:04:33 AM
Several transactions of mine have gone with 0 confirmations in the past several days.  And some of those I was paying 1.5X or 2X the recommended fees.  Nothing.  Nada.  Zilch.

Bitcoin has gone from being an expensive network to use to a practically unusable network.  I was defending Bitcoin against millions of tards back in 2011 and 2012.  Are they going to have the last laugh on me now?  It pisses me off to actually see some of you defending this too and saying "this is the way Bitcoin is supposed to work".  Umm... NO IT IS NOT .

I have ZERO confidence left in Core and their "developers".  Their network can't handle the slightest bit of volume without totally seizing up.  And then Adam Back is out there with the press talking about Bitcoin vendors and merchants running a tab system??  Really??  You can't do your job properly so you want people to run a tab in BTC??  You saw this coming from 10 miles away and did nothing about it.  Stupid or malicious?... you decide.

I will be converting my remaining BTC to BCH, Dash, XMR and coins that actually work! And coins that have teams that have at least a Grade 7 level understanding of economics, ie.. "when you are at capacity, you open more locations".  And not throw out "but but centralization!!" juvenile red herrings!

Long time Bitcoiner of 6 years here saying, "SEE YA LATER! CASHING OUT NOW!"


There is no such bad condition of bitcoin as it seem to be. Though bitcoin has been going through many ups and downs during these months but it doesn’t mean that it will not recover ever. Bitcoin is very sustainable crypto currency and it will last for many decades so the deflation in the VA is very common in every investment so the same is applicable for bitcoin also and moreover the valuation is inflated from last few weeks and I think it has inflated to about 20% and according to some economists it will further inflate in the coming months.
445  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why cryptocurrency usually recovery in the weekend? on: May 28, 2018, 09:42:45 AM
I am curious about the price of cryptocurrency usually recovery in the weekend even most of cryptocurrency are in the downtrend ?
 
The valuation flactuation in all the crypto currencies are very common. All the crypto currencies has always going through many ups and downs so a very wise decision is very much necessary before investing into bitcoin because if bitcoin has that potential that it can provide you very good profit so it can also giv a you a very huge loss if you don’t invest wisely into bitcoin but on average the valuation is almost normal and at the end of the week it will gives you good profit but presence of mind is necessary.
446  Economy / Speculation / Re: why more red days than green days on: May 26, 2018, 09:58:56 AM
Two days greenery then suddenly 4 days red. I think this happened due to money makers. Most are coming to money making from fluctuation. Because of this fud or any bad news there , these people get panic and selling their portfolios so the  whole market crash.

But people like us , invest to the technology. What ever the thing has happen , we think that this has good future. so we keep our coins for long time.



This is my opinion. Why more red days and few green days


The market is very down for all the crypto currencies and those who had brought bitcoin at the month of December and November when the valuation is quite good, are now holding their bitcoins and no one is now bother to sell their bitcoins and moreover the best thing the people are not even interested to buy more bitcoins because they have news that at low valuation if they buy bitcoins then in future, the market may crash also and I think this could be the reason for more red days than green days.
447  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Tax Collector to Accept Bitcoin on: May 26, 2018, 09:32:55 AM
Florida Tax Collector to Accept Bitcoin, Bitcoin Cash Payments

A Florida county tax collector has partnered with bitcoin payments processor BitPay to accept cryptocurrency for a variety of services.

Seminole County Tax Collector Joel Greenberg said in a statement Monday that his office will take bitcoin and bitcoin cash for payments associated with driver licenses and ID cards, automobile tags and titles and property tax.

The office decided to accept the cryptocurrencies in an effort to streamline fee collection, reduce the potential for fraud and identity theft and increase the transparency and accuracy of payments. Greenberg's office added that it does not perceive any "price volatility or risk to the County" in accepting the cryptocurrencies.

credits: https://www.coindesk.com/florida-tax-collector-accept-bitcoin-bitcoin-cash-payments/
There are also many other governments who has legalised bitcoin in their nation and I think South Korea was the first to legalise bitcoin and then other countries also understands the potential of bitcoin and has legalised crypto currencies in their nation like they are accepting bitcoin in selling of their cars and normal daily activities and now the Florida is accepting bitcoin for paying of taxes by their country members and I think this is the evolution of bitcoin and all other crypto currencies too.
448  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Evolution of currencies on: May 26, 2018, 08:20:49 AM
First, humans exchanged commodities. You could eat it, burn it for energy, modify it to create tools or jewelry. You exchanged something useful for something useful.

* It was energy.

Then, humans exchanged commodities for gold. You couldn't eat it or burn but it was still possible to modify it.

* It was poor energy.

Then, humans used papers checks or bank notes. It wasn't very useful, but you still could burn it during a very cold winter.

* It was very poor energy.

Now, we wants to use Cryptocurrencies. You can't do anything with it.

* It is not energy but proof of destruction of energy.

Something looks wrong. We should exchange potential energy, not destroyed energy.
Earlier the mode of buying and selling of goods was barter system where they have to exchange goods in exchange of goods then comes the taking gold in exchange of goods , it was a kind of investment also that one you take gold in exchange of your goods , you could save it for future use till the valuation of gold increases then you can earn the profit also in this mode of payment but as the time passes, the payment system becomes very convenient and easy and now people take money or currency for buying or selling things , this is the best method I guess but there is no flow of energy in this method
449  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Canadian Bitcoin Community on: May 25, 2018, 09:17:48 AM
I am new in Canada so I don't know how active Canadian Bitcoin Community. Maybe this topic helps Canadian BTC users to share information. Smiley

We can share BTC blogs, trading sites, and forums from Canada.  Grin
I don’t think Canadian government has still legalised crypto currency in their nation. So according to me the condition of Canada is like other countries where crypto currencies are banned. Ban in the sense that no people can buy and sell bitcoin and other crypto currencies from the domestic exchanges but anyone can buy or sell bitcoins from any international exchanges and I guess this is the condition of crypto currencies in Canada also.
450  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Definition for bitcoin fans and bitcoin hater on: May 25, 2018, 08:22:50 AM
Hello folks,

I often discuss with friends and family about newspaper articles where banker, politicians and ceos give their options about the future of bitcoin.
Bankers speak mostly against bitcoin and spread FUD. People who work in the information industy often like the idea.

What do you say? Is there a definition of bitcoin fans and bitcoin hater? And how would you describe them?
This is as simple as that. Those who understands the fate of bitcoin and knows that bitcoin has that potential to be very great are the bitcoin supporters and are bitcoin fans and those who thinks bitcoin a Ponzi scheme , a scam, a bubble which could burst any time and thinks that bitcoin is only use for illegal activities like selling drugs, explosives, money laundering etc are bitcoin haters but in my opinion bitcoin will be central currency globally in the future and every one will be then bitcoin fan.
451  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Alibaba's Jack Ma Calls Bitcoin a Bubble (BTC) - Do you care? on: May 25, 2018, 08:00:00 AM
Obviously I do care . The deflation in the valuation is all because of these negative rumours that are constantly demotivating people from investing into bitcoin. Most of the governments are against bitcoin and they are discouraging people also to not to use bitcoin by saying bitcoin is not centralised currency and government is not responsible for any kind of loses regarding bitcoin, they have to suffer it by their own and if in this condition someone is saying bitcoin a bubble then obviously I do care.
452  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can you recieve stolen bitcoins using a bitcoin mixer? on: May 24, 2018, 09:19:10 AM
Hi. For people that use bitcoin mixers to mix their bitcoins, is it possible that somebody may actaully end up with stolen bitcoins? So in this case, using a bitcoin mixer could be far worse. For example if these stolen bitcoins are being tracked, then is it possible legit users using a mixing service, could end up with stolen bitcoins? If so, is there any way to prevent this or to find out if you have received stolen coins?
I don’t think that till now it is possible to receive your stolen bitcoins because the most characteristic features of bitcoin transactions is that it Keeps transactions very safe and confidential and does not involve any third party seizure so it like next to impossible to trace the stolen bitcoin, I can’t predict the future that whether in future such type of mixer could be made or not but fro now it is impossible to trace stolen bitcoin and if you know something that can help to trace the stolen bitcoin then let me know.
453  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Do you agree that Bitcoin is nearly to be just like another business? on: May 24, 2018, 09:03:04 AM
More than 50,000 U.S. merchants already accept bitcoin, and you may soon fall behind your competitors if you don’t have a plan for dealing with cryptocurrencies.
Over the short term, it means getting educated about the technology and adapting some business processes. Over the long term, it offers increased simplicity, greater efficiency and lower costs.
Though bitcoin is like other investment where it follows the basic principles as all investment follows but if you talk about the profit ratio then bitcoin is the leader of all the investment. Bitcoin has that potential that it can provide a very good profit in a very short span of time and moreover bitcoin has always proved its potential by providing employment to millions of people who has invested into bitcoin and the proof is the success stories of bitcoin billionaires who has kept faith in bitcoin so investing into bitcoin is more than a business.
454  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Physical bitcoin - Is this the future? on: May 24, 2018, 08:03:09 AM
I am exploring blockhain technologies for about 3 months now. So there are a lot of things I don't understand very good yet. These are all my opinions and solutions for problems I present might have been found already.

As I have seen these past months blockhain technology shows huge potential but there are still a lot of improvements needed in this technology.

One of the problems is network fees. All or at least majority of videos/presentations of Bitcoin are offering us zero or very low fees. As the Bitcoins price and number of transactions raised significantly these fees became pretty high.1 They are not like impossible high so the Bitcoin isn't affected by this too much. And for big transactions these fees are still very small. Let's say there is 3$ fee worth of BTC, if you are sending 1 BTC the fee is still nothing -> less then 0,15% (BTC price = 2700$). As I have seen there are some ideas of solving these high fees 2 but these solutions doesn't seem to satisfy whole community so some problems with this may occur.

I see two major problems of ''high'' fees.
1. It is not good for advertisement of Bitcoin and what happens is a big doubt of new users and users which operate with low amounts of bitcoins.
2. Second problem is using bitcoins for everyday use. You just can't buy 2$ thing in shop and pay 5$ for it (2$+3$ fee).
Because these two reasons I think bitcoin is far from currency which we could use for everyday and would suit everyone, from poor regions to most developed countries.

So to get to the topic:
Physical bitcoin.
Physical bitcoin would completely solve this fee problem, as you don't transfer bitcoins/satoshis from one address to another, but instead you transfer the ownership of this address from one person to another. This would increase bitcoins usage a lot, at least I think so.
Physical bitcoin should contain public key and private key. Public key must be there so you can verify balance on this coin. Private key must be hidden and you could only see public key once - and with you seeing private key, coin would become worthless. So when someone ''opens'' (check private key) coin you should clearly see it is worthless, it must be like broken or something. 3
If we get safe and practical physical bitcoins this solves few problems. I will present some advantages and disadvantages of using physical bitcoin.

Disadvantages:
1. Safety - I have come across some ''stickers'' which are considered safe. It is possible to check if someone tried to use private key 4. It bothers me what happens if someone peel of the sticker and save private key, then he apply new sticker which looks exactly the same on the outside. So the coin have completely same look on the outside. He can sell/ pass it over and he has private key. I haven't researched a lot about this, so please tell me more about this if you know
2. Centralisation - there must be complete trust to manufacturer of the physical bitcoins. He can save private keys, make ''empty'' coins and probably other things he could do to scam you.
3. Bitcoin price - You have let's say physical bitcoin worth 0,01BTC. In the moment you spend it you must check it's price, this means there must be internet connection at the spot you are spending this bitcoin. This is not really big problem nowadays in my opinion, but it is a problem. Actually only the person who is accepting this coin must know the price of bitcoin.
4. Return of change - You buy stuff worth 15$ and your physical bitcoin is worth 23,52$, so how can we make this work? Today there is still big dominance by FIAT currencies. So they can't just be canceled today. And I think we could use them very good in solving problem of returning the change. You would just simply return him FIAT currency. It would be also possible to return physical bitcoin + FIAT money. You buy thing for 15$, pay it with 23,52$ worth of BTC they can return you 8,52$ or you get back 6,52 worth of BTC and 2$.
5. Legal problems - If people would start using bitcoins a lot more, governments/banks would definitely interfere in it with some regulations, prohibitions etc. I think good concept of physical bitcoin would raise it's use a lot. So we can only imagine what would/will happen.
6. Hand to hand - You can't send physical bitcoin over the internet. The people involved in transaction must be at the same place. Of course this is not really a problem, as you can just get private key and send BTC to your digital wallet.

Advantages:
1. No fees - Only fee it would be paid would be in the process of making physical bitcoin and when you would send BTC from the physical bitcoin. And both of these fees can be at minimum, because there is no need to hurry. When you are spending physical bitcoin there is no fee required. The only fee could be from the person who receive bitcoins as payments. 5
2. Simplicity - It would finally become simple for old grandpa or grandma to use Bitcoin. No wallet, no computer, no explaining, no electricity...
3. No need to understand everything - We don't understand all the things we use everyday (how computers work, how internet works, how cars work...) but we still use them with no concerns. So it should become same with Bitcoin, we just need to make thing so simple that anyone can use without understanding it. And physical bitcoin is a big step towards this goal.
4. Good advertisement - If anyone can use BTC as payment method with ease it is very good for Bitcoin.
5. Interest - You can start to explain about Bitcoin, blockchain with something to show. Now only people who can use computer are able to operate with bitcoins. If you have something to hold anyone can start from there. This would in my opinion raise interest in blockchain technology a lot.
6. Secure - If coins would be safe (disadvantage n.1) this would be really safe currency to use. It would actually be backed with blockchain technology which we know is impossible to break, for now.

So what are your thought about physical bitcoin? Is this the future of Bitcoin?

1 Can someone post link where you could see average fees in BTC per byte over the time.
2 I don't understand technology behind this solutions yet, so I can't comment on that and predict it's effectiveness.
3 This is the idea I have about physical bitcoins, please correct me if I am wrong.
4 Is this information correct?
5 The person receiving coins can set fee. Example: Paying with bitcoins increase price for 3%. This fees are mostly set because of volatility of bitcoin, which should decrease over time so these fees will get smaller and smaller, until 0.

Please correct me, add disadvantages/advantages, answer, explain...

P.S. I don't want worthless spam in this topic. So I will delete posts which won't be constructive and make topic hard to read. This first post will probably get edited!
No not at all, I think no one has never think that future of the bitcoin. This is one of the great advantage of bitcoin that it is very very difficult to steal because it does not have my physical form and can only stored in accounts, you can only feel it, see it in your account but cannot touch it and moreover every one is talking that in future it will replace all Fiat currency and if bitcoin itself will become the paper currency then the supporters who are now in favour of bitcoin will also comes in against of it.
455  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: the benefits of managing bitcoin on: May 24, 2018, 07:44:48 AM
when bitcoin prices are drops, I think we better talk more about the positive value of bitcoin. do not think about the value of bitcoin today, because thinking about it will only make us panic and confused. enough G20 make us calm.

So, now. we are talking about the benefits of bitcoin if bitcoin managed well.

what do you think if bitcoin is managed well by a country?
Bitcoin is that powerful crypto currency, if managed well and wise, can change the entire situation of any country, I mean from worst to best. Bitcoin is that resource if used wisely can help the entire country and boost up the development of any country to a very great heights. Bitcoin has always proved its potential by helping millions of people to earn their livelihood and providing them employment and thus reducing poverty and thus is very helpful in increasing the GDP of any country.
456  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin fees will NEVER come down on: May 23, 2018, 06:26:34 AM
think about it if you were a miner, and have learnt that you can charge XXX for transaction why would you be happy to again charge just one X?
It is certain the more popular coins will increase costs to catch up with bitcoin, as opposed to bitcoin lowering .
Developers are already being pressured to behave in ways that I dare not repeat.
I don’t think that bitcoin transaction fee could ever be come down because there is no proper regulating body over body and people there are just doing according to their will there is no such authentic regulating body who could keep over all these activities and should take care of the consumer rights that in any way they should not be exploited and if bitcoin will centralised world wide then also the transaction fee will be high because then government will implement tax over the transaction fee but in that case conditions will be good.
457  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: if bitcoin becomes the country's currency on: May 23, 2018, 06:12:33 AM
The popularity of bitcoin has now grown so rapidly that almost everyone in different countries recognizes and utilizes bitcoin either as a business asset or as a means of payment transactions.
And as we know so far the bitcoin legality is still a consideration for governments in various countries.

Looking at that fact is it possible bitcoin will be the currency of a country?
And can bitcoin change the country's economy for the better?
If bitcoin will be legalise in any country then obviously it will make country, a heaven . Bitcoin introduction to any country can bring numerous advantages to country. Bitcoin has that potential that it can provide employment to millions of people and has enabled people to earn their livelihood, bitcoin has reduced poverty to very great extent and it can boost the development of country to very great extent and moreover it boost up the GDP of the country, so it’s like boon for any country.
458  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: some good info about bitcoin on: May 23, 2018, 05:57:03 AM
I am trying to learn and share with u guys about bitcoin. I think it is gonna help someone like me.

"Research produced by the University of Cambridge estimates that in 2017, there were 2.9 to 5.8 million unique users using a cryptocurrency wallet, most of them using bitcoin"

one more interesting knowledge is :
"The word bitcoin first occurred and was defined in the white paper that was published on 31 October 2008. It is a compound of the words bit and coin".
( The white paper frequently uses the shorter coin).

so guys you can also share good and short info about bitcoin.
This thing is clear from very first day from the introduction of bitcoin that is from the year 2099 that bitcoin is the superstar of all crypto currencies, the most successful and leading crypto currency among all and there are thousands of evidences to prove this. If we look at the geowth statistics of all crypto currencies then it is clearly stating that the growth curve of bitcoin is much higher and moreover the valuation of bitcoin is much higher than all other crypto currencies and according to many economists that bitcoin valuation will further inflate in the coming years .
459  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Opportunity to sell for bitcoin on: May 23, 2018, 05:41:48 AM
I was wondering, if you had an opportunity to sell your stuff alike cars, pc, homethings and etc., would you sell it for bitcoin (or maybe other altcoin)? The main question is to see, are you ready trade stuff for cryptocurrencies and how do you imagine it?
I would love to sell my things in exchange of bitcoin because bitcoin is not merely a currency but it is a kind of investment also because when you sell your stuff in exchange of bitcoin then you can hold those bitcoins till you think the valuation has been inflated to a sufficient level and then you can sell it and get the good profit and this will like boon if people starts accepting and giving bitcoins in exchange of stuff.
460  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Opportunity to sell for bitcoin on: May 22, 2018, 10:54:50 AM
I was wondering, if you had an opportunity to sell your stuff alike cars, pc, homethings and etc., would you sell it for bitcoin (or maybe other altcoin)? The main question is to see, are you ready trade stuff for cryptocurrencies and how do you imagine it?
I would love to sell my stuff in exchange of bitcoin and it will always like my dream come true . From the very first day when I got to know the potential of bitcoin I just always wants and waiting for the day when bitcoin will use as a central currency for transactions though in present scenario the condition is completely hypothetical because in today’s life that’s are even thousands of people who are completely unaware of bitcoin so first everyone needs to be awarded about bitcoin so that everyone can use bitcoin with ease in future.
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