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4401  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Free market efficiency and planned obsolescence on: June 27, 2011, 07:20:51 PM
Therefore, you would need to FORCE all the non-agreers to comply with your enacted belief system by threat of violence - this is the very defintion of coercion.

You call it coercion. I call it self-defense.


That's cool and all, but it doesn't change the facts, as already addressed:

Quote from: AyeYo
You can pretend that YOUR version of violence is "retaliation", but it's nothing more than a semantics game when you take into account the fact that NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH YOU and in order for it to be defined as retaliation, a person must first agree with your belief system, BUT NOT EVERYONE DOES.

Those are not facts, they are opinions. 
4402  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0/unconfirmed for 2 weeks on: June 27, 2011, 06:27:42 PM
We need a Rescan button inside the client...

Not a button, but perhaps a menu option.
4403  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Ok. Now it is official - Mtgox STEALING bitcoins on: June 27, 2011, 06:24:20 PM
Let the bitcoiner beware.

I suppose that you can chock this up to a learning experience, whether or not you ever succeed in getting your funds back.
4404  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0/unconfirmed for 2 weeks on: June 27, 2011, 06:15:59 PM
I see.  How do you rescan in windows?  would redownloading the blockchain do it?

Yes, but that is unnecessary.  Stop the client, and give it about 10 minutes to really stop.  And make sure that it's not hiding in the dock.  After your delay, restart the client from a command line with the -rescan flag, and it will sit there for some time rechecking the blockchain and rebuilding your index.
4405  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin inflation now is 44% per year on: June 27, 2011, 06:11:33 PM
Inflation rate is measured by change in the price level over time.


That's actually price inflation.  The economic definition of "inflation" in this context is the expansion of the monetary base.

Quote

To avoid future embarrassments, look up definitions of economic terms on wikipedia or in an introductory economics text.

You should take your own advice before playing among the adults.
4406  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0/unconfirmed for 2 weeks on: June 27, 2011, 06:09:15 PM

the txn shows up in block explorer.  So It's a matter of no miners accepting it.

I see.  No, it's not a matter of miners not accepting it.  If the transaction is visable in block explorer, then it had to have been accepted by all of the clients between you and blockexplorer as valid.

I recommend a -rescan.  It's most likely that your client just missed it for some reason.
4407  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: 0/unconfirmed for 2 weeks on: June 27, 2011, 06:06:22 PM
The default transaction fee is no longer zero, and that makes people mad too.  Still seems unlikely that a transaction would be in limbo for so long simply because it's free.  There are plenty of blocks that still go by without transaction fees at all, and the online wallet services don't send a fee by default either, and I've done several of those kind of transactions over the past couple of weeks and had to wait 30 minutes at the most.  If your transaction didn't make it out to the network, that would explain it as well.
4408  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Free market efficiency and planned obsolescence on: June 27, 2011, 02:00:36 PM

Likewise, the little exception you tag on to the end of your coercion definition does NOT change the fact that your system is also coercive.

In what way is the libertarian concept of "coercion" different than the general definition?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coercion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

Money quote:
"Coercion (pronounced /koʊˈɜrʃən/) is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, rewards, or intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. In law, coercion is codified as the duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced."
In that fact that your belief system and political system involve "forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner" else there will be "use of threats" or "intimidation or some other form of pressure or force" to make them comply.

Let me say this again: NOT EVERYONE AGREES WITH YOU, in fact, a HUGE majority disagree with you.  Therefore, you would need to FORCE all the non-agreers to comply with your enacted belief system by threat of violence - this is the very defintion of coercion.
Based upon your assumptions about what the majority may believe, I'd have to say that you are correct in a literal sense.  That people are expected to act in accordance with the NAP, under the potential threat of retaliation.  However, the assertion that the majority disagree with libs on this point is false, and provablely so.  The threat of retaliation isn't the same as coercion under threat of force, because it matters who is the initial aggressor.  Also, the majority of people actually do agree with the NAP as a general social rule, but most people have exceptions.  The difference is that (most of us) don't make exceptions, and none of us make exceptions based solely upon the idea that a police officer is doing the action.  If the police officer represents someone with an honest claim, then the officer is within rights to act upon the interests of said party, whether that be another citizen or even the group of people loosely called the state.  However, that does not give the state the right to make up violations that don't exist, and then expect the police officer to enforce them.
4409  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Free market efficiency and planned obsolescence on: June 27, 2011, 12:26:31 PM

Likewise, the little exception you tag on to the end of your coercion definition does NOT change the fact that your system is also coercive.

In what way is the libertarian concept of "coercion" different than the general definition?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/coercion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coercion

Money quote:
"Coercion (pronounced /koʊˈɜrʃən/) is the practice of forcing another party to behave in an involuntary manner (whether through action or inaction) by use of threats, rewards, or intimidation or some other form of pressure or force. In law, coercion is codified as the duress crime. Such actions are used as leverage, to force the victim to act in the desired way. Coercion may involve the actual infliction of physical pain/injury or psychological harm in order to enhance the credibility of a threat. The threat of further harm may lead to the cooperation or obedience of the person being coerced."
4410  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to run an Anarchy on: June 27, 2011, 03:32:31 AM
Justice is pointless.

Definately not pointless.  Justice for a murderer (a real one, not an accidental one or an incidental one) is death.  Incarceration is not.
4411  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to run an Anarchy on: June 27, 2011, 03:30:39 AM
This seems to be a pretty high-brow thread, so I would like to join in: I have never once heard a compelling argument from an anarchist for why we shouldn't incarcerate murders.

And I don't really think that you will.
4412  Bitcoin / Press / Re: Bitcoin press hits, notable sources on: June 27, 2011, 12:38:14 AM
http://www.portstephensexaminer.com.au/news/national/national/general/mine-your-machines-abc-probes-security-breach/2205622.aspx

http://thenextweb.com/industry/2011/06/24/lulzsec-claims-to-have-received-over-18000-worth-of-donations/

http://www.psfk.com/2011/06/flexcoin-the-first-online-bitcoin-bank.html
4413  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Looks like Mt. Gox's price has stabilized pretty nicely... on: June 27, 2011, 12:25:07 AM
I think the hackers did us a favor - we'll all be better for it in the long run.

Some people did pay a high price for the learning curve.
4414  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Timestamps going backwards - why ? on: June 27, 2011, 12:23:58 AM

Where is my mistake?


There is no mistake, the timestamp is provided by the machine that submits the block.  The client permits a great deal of variation for the timestamp before it rejects it, because the only reason that it's in there at all is to determine the retarget value once every 2016 blocks, and it only needs to be so accurate.  It wouldn't be necessary to reject incorrect timestamps at all, if not for the possibility of manipulation of the retarget.
4415  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to run an Anarchy on: June 27, 2011, 12:18:34 AM
I'm just curious, since this topic has touched upon muggings.

Has anyone on this thread ever been mugged?  More than once?  And if yes, where do you live?

Personally, I've never been mugged, and I was in my thirties before I met anyone who had, and he was a self admitted homeless person at that time.  I've yet to met anyone else since.  I've had stuff stolen out of my car, and out of my backyard overnight, but I've never been confronted with an actual individual willing to threaten harm to steal something from me.

But then, I live in a citizens' concealed carry state, which probably influences such things significantly.
4416  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: 0400hrs GMT - Odd Time To Start Trading @ MT Gox on: June 26, 2011, 08:04:53 PM

I don't see how that's any different for Japan or any other country. English is my 3rd language but I'm 100% fluent in it, maybe more so than in my native language which I've already forgotten partially.

It's different for Japan, at least for most people.  Some parents send their children to after school classes for English with a native English teacher, but nearly every Japanese student attends publicly funded schools, which are prohibited from hiring foreign nationals as teachers due to union rules.  The result being that a Japanese born native speaker of English is a rare teacher, and one who is in very high demand; while the vast majority of English students (which is all children in public schools in Japan) get a teacher who's native language is Japanese.  This causes distortions in the grammer that is detectable by native English speakers that is commonly called "Japlish".  Although they can be understood, they are also easily identified.  It really is different for native Chinese.
4417  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How does a Thorium reactor work? on: June 26, 2011, 07:56:21 PM
I have a degree in Nuclear Technology and I could explain the process in great detail, but really, this is stupid. Google the answer. You're just being lazy.


No, actually I'm missing some details but thanks for the effort.

Most thorium reactor designs aren't much different from conventional designs where the reactor is essentially a giant boiler that runs a steam turbine. The primary fuel is still Uranium (or in rare cases plutonium) and the Thorium merely increases the efficiency of the fuel burn.

Those are all retrofit designs.  There are designs intended to use the thorium fuel cycle as the primary fuel, after the initial breeding cycle of course.  India has been studying teh feasibility of transitioning to the thorium fuel cycle for a number of years.  I don't know if they concluded that their existing reactors could be retrofitted to a complete thorium cycle or not, but even if only new reactors were completely thorium fuel, the mixed fuel setup would still allow India to detach itself from the international atomic fuel industries to a large extent for decades.
4418  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Oh crap. I was afraid of this. on: June 26, 2011, 07:42:18 PM
Hmm, and as common sense man i must see any evidence of this. 26 june  and i am enjoing 16 Celsium. Not a cold record in my region, but it used to be 22 celsium here in that time of year.  And , sorry  i am very , i am mean VERY, very much doubt that you are scientist.

Celsius...that is how the scientists spell it when they are not using Kelvin.

Scientists, yes, but it's spelled a bit differently in common usage depending upon the language.  You understood what he was talking about well enough. 
4419  Other / Politics & Society / Re: How to run an Anarchy on: June 26, 2011, 07:40:52 PM
I have read it and the answer is not there either.

Look here: http://forum.bitcoin.org/index.php?topic=21217.msg268418#msg268418 (yes, that goes to this thread)

Yes, I acknowledged that before.  The only recourse against criminals is ostracism.

Good luck with that.

I'd say not being able to buy a meal or find a place to sleep is a better punishment than 'three hots and a cot'.

Bear in mind, also, that in such a society that generally honors the NAP, there will be those who will not.  The criminal would have to deal with being labeled a criminal, which largely removes that person's expectations of civil support in the event that another criminal were to take advantage of them.  Most people would simply call that karma, whether or not the second criminal were himself blacklisted.
4420  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Down to zero it goes! on: June 26, 2011, 02:00:28 PM

it is only recently that it was hard to match inflation in a bank account, and the reason for that has more to do with the unique failures of central banks over the last few years than the generalised problems that people here want to assign to all central banks everywhere, throughout time.

Well, that's just it.  The recent failures of central banking over the last few years were not only not unique, they were entirely predictable from the moment the central banks shed the discipline of the gold standard and thus gained the power to inflate.  That is what happens to all fiat currencies.  It always has.  Just because we are finally starting to see the fatal imbalances in the system accumulate to a visible level, doesn't mean that those imbalances were not there from the start.  They were, and I believe that you are smart enough to understand that.  The cognative dissonance that you are experiencing within this forum is not a unique affliction.  Most people very much desire to believe that the society that they live within is a predominately honest one, and that the image that it presents to us is not fraudulent.  I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this, but what you have been told since you were a child, what your parents believed, and what you believe about the best intentions of those who command these vast monetary systems is a lie.

but do you honestly think that kind of general, simplistic statement is convincing?

Of course not.  I don't think that you could be convinced of anything.  You have a strong belief system, and are unlikely to accept any evidence to the contrary of that belief system.  It's like trying to convince a muslim from afganistan that a Catholic is correct.  It doesn't really happen.  Very few people who grow up surrounded by such a particular belief are going to be able to break free from it,
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