Also, why didn't I have any trouble when I first started bitcoining a couple of months ago?
That is a very good question.
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I'll do it if you post pics of your junk. Be careful of such commitments.
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Ok, so....BTC. Intrinsic value or use value? Or something else? Novelty value? It certainly has functional value does it not?
BTC has no use value, outside of the context of a medium of exchange. BTC is both the currency and an effective, worldwide, transfer mechanism. Just like gold's intrinsic value is rooted in it's properties that make it an ideal money, BTC's intrinsic value rests in the properties imbued into it by powerful cryptology and rigid code practices.
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If this is already happening how does it handle long delays i.e. one month.
The same way that it handles short delays. What happens to bitcoins created and spent in this case? Obviously the transactions are voided, but the economic activity has already taken place and the money would have been distributed through the network as wages, purchases or gifts.
If coins are created during the split, and the split lasts longer than 100 blocks, then those coins and all the transactions that depended upon them in the minority chain simply cease to exist after the merger. There is no other way to do it, unfortunately. If the minority blocks were permited to exist, block splits would become a profit vector in their own right, breaking the 21 million coin limit with ease. Seems that for areas of frequent connectivity dropouts it may be better to have their own currencies and block chains with an exchange rate.
If you have frequent connectivity dropouts, you probably shouldn't be trying to mine at all. But blockchain splits should never be an issue, as it's trivial for a watchdog process to detect a blockchain split, particularly when it's on the minority side of the break. As large as the Internet is, a near even network split, resulting in a near even block discovery rate on both sides of the divide, is astronomicly unlikely. If the rate of block discovery, from your perspectives, drops by more than half then users should be suspending the acceptance of new coins created since the division anyway. Is there any documentation for how block chain management works
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Have you read the white paper?
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"I hear Republicans and Libertarians and so forth talking about property rights, but they stop talking about property rights as soon as the subject of American Indians comes up, because they know fully well, perhaps not in a fully articulated, conscious form, but they know fully well that the basis for the very system of endeavor and enterprise and profitability to which they are committed and devoted accrues on the basis of theft of the resources of someone else. They are in possession of stolen property. They know it. They all know it. It's a dishonest endeavor from day one." -Ward Churchill
Very few of the American Indian tribes made any claim towards owning the land. For the most part, the tribes West of the Missippi River were nomadic; and did not have a coherent concept of property ownership at all. Tribes East of the Missippi, however, generally did. In particular, the five tribes ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Civilized_Tribe) that made up the Cherokee nation; who owned all of Ohio and much of the territories that now make up surrounding states. I'm directly decendent from Cherokee stock, and I can prove it. Are you trying to say that I should have a claim to the state of Ohio? I reject that concept. I've never owned it, and as far as I can tell, none of my ancestors were swindled out of anything. Prejudice of the early white settlers aside, my ancestors chose to move of their own accord. Probably, in part, because of their own prejudices.
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I'm using the new client. It's still stuck at 8 connections. You're incoming connection requests are being blocked at some point. Most likely by a firewall in a broadband router.
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It's a shame that very few people seem to know what "backing" means and what "intrinsic" value is.
I almost fell out of my chair when Peter said gold had intrinsic value because you could craft jewelry from gold or use it in electronics. While being true, you can do the same with seashells and silicon, those properties have nothing to do with why gold is a good medium of exchange.. I thought Peter was smarter than that. Well I'm sure he's trying to make sense of it too. He needs an education just like everyone else. Does he have the wisdom to feed his intellect? He was talking about an Austrian economist stating that gold had intrinsic value by reason of it's use value. Austrians don't normally talk in those terms, because use value doesn't equate to an intrinsic value. Value is always subjective, and an 'intrinsic' value would necessarily have to exist, if it did exist, by reason of a commodities natural characteristics. Gold's use value is not very closely related to it's elemental properties, but it's monetary value is related to it's elemental properties. If gold has an intrisic value, it's directly related to it's quality as an ideal money, not it's industrial or commercial uses.
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The valuable posts in this thread occurred in the first three pages, the quality of posts have declined since. I'm locking this thread.
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I think you guys owe us all at least a redacted version of what the hell actually happened.
Do you think that you could wait until they have had a chance to figure it out?
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An obvious comeback would be "of course, you're gay", but i'm not the type of person that would react like that.
edit:wow, that guy's a mod o.o Talk about playing with fire Xp
ps: my previous post was supposed to make people laugh, please don't be offended, regardless of who you are
I'm a bit more secure and mature than to let jokes from random people on the Internet offend me.
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Whether or not Kevin was at all involved with the hacker is irrelevant. He has taken possession of stolen goods. At the time he probably didn't know they were stolen. Now he does. Now it's a crime if he keeps them.
There is no proof other than Mt Gox saying there was a theft. I suspect there was never any hacker. I suspect there was a bug in their code or someone at their company screwed up big time. WHO with 500k bitcoins makes it easy for their account to be compromised? Until PROOF of a hacking is provided, he has NOT accepted stolen goods. By his own version of the story, he withdrew the funds that he did because he suspected that someone's account had be compromised already, and he was not certain that it couldn't happen to him as well. There has been no evidence to suggest that this event is anything other than what MagicalTux says it was. Kevin understood, at least on some level, that he might be accepting stolen property. This doesn't mean that Kevin did anything wrong at the time, but now that there is credible verification that was so, it's wrong for Kevin to keep that property.
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Agree 100%
Synaptic has to be the worst troll on this site. He poisons nearly every thread.
Trust me, Synaptic is definately not the worst troll on this site.
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I'm on Gox's side. Every network/site is vulnerable in some way. In this case, it was through a trusted user.
While Gox may have granted more access to that user than they should have, it was certainly not grossly irresponsible of them to do so.
Look at how many Sony properties have been hacked, and how many more "experts" they have in their employ, with huge amounts of revenue/profits.
How about RSA? They are a company that is pretty much 100% focused on security and represents the de facto standard in two-factor authentication. Their entire RSA ID product was compromised and caused Lockheed Martin to be compromised as well.
And you guys are getting upset at Gox for a auditor not securing his laptop and resulting in a bunch of illegitimate trades that are completely reversible, with Gox eating the non-reversible damages?
EXCEPT MT GOX WAS SUPPOSEDLY A FINANCIAL MARKET. They are held to a different standard BY LAW, than some shit like PSN. And everyone did know, or at least reasonablely should have known, that MtGox was neither a financial market regulated under the laws of any particular nation nor even international law. None of the Bitcoin markets are subject to such regulations, and thus such standards do not apply to Bitcoin markets. At least not as of yet. Anyone who was operating under any other perspective did so at their own risk. This is risky business that we engage in, wildcat banking and finance.
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Kevin had only one chance that day to place his 0.01 buy order. So either he had a lot of luck, and somehow knew it was the right time to place a 0.01 buy order, or something smells fishy in there. It's not up to me to decide, but I will report this as it has become a public matter.
Occam's Razor would imply luck. I'm sure that Kevin wasn't the only one desperately trying to place a low-ball buy order as fast as he could, but perhaps he was just the one who clicked at just the right millisecond. It is also true that, even assuming that Kevin's story is accurate from his perspectives, that he is in possession of stolen property and he knows this. Unless he is going to try to present evidence to the contrary, this is an accepted given. Thus it is proper for Kevin to return the funds and permit MtGox to undo the trades as best as he can. Whether or not MtGox chooses to compensate the owner of the compromised account or not is his own business. The fact that no policy existed that covered this scenario prior to the event is not relevant.
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You could probably have gotten more coins if you posted pics of your tits to prove you're a girl (no, showing the lumps on a t-shirt isn't enough, anyone can stash balloons or whatever under their shirt), oh, and write somthing like "Bitcoin rules!!!" with a sharpie to prove it isn't just a pic you got off the 'net.
Not from me.
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What does it take to get Bitcoin on Forex?
The support of a central bank.
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Quiet dude, I'm trying to get some cheap here!
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Moreover, it seems too much to have been plausibly earned in a legitimate way (anyone mined 100K+ BTCs?)
Yes, some miners that have been here since the first few months have mined substanial amounts, well into the 100's of thousands. Most of those same miners have divested since then, and no longer hold such huge amounts. I can think of only one miner, that I know of, that has likely never sold much of his holdings.
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I can't read this link, but what does it propose that doesn't already happen?
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Measuring in flops is silly, hashes don't use and floating point operations. Anyway, using your numbers, that means that the network is 103 petaflops, so another 8 isn't that much.
DamienBlack, I'm quoting a respectful source - http://www.bitcoinwatch.com/Network Hashrate Gigahashs/s - 8166.60 Network Hashrate TeraFLOP/s - 103716 I'm sorry you think this is trolling. That TeraFLOP/s figure on the Bitcoin Watch front page is meaningless and bears no resemblence to anything whatsoever; it's just there so users can boast about how powerful the network of Bitcoin mining rigs is. I kinda wish they didn't have it because it just causes confusion. The TeraFLOP's number is an estimate based off of the hashing ratios of common cpus and their FLOP's as benchmarked. It can be inaccurate, but not by that much.
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