My twitter account is not fake. ETC really is like open book for criminals. Actually ETC is criminal. IF they really support world computer idea it was not needed to renegade like this from the project. I wrote it and I am going to write it again. Few code lines can make contracts and all features immutable. But bunch of scammers like ETC decide to use the people expectations and naivety to earn money using it. If this is not a crime a clearly and so visible crime I don't know what is. Before 21 hours DAO Attacker drain the ballance of his wallet and now is free and happy with your funds. So is this a crime? What do you think?
Whether something is a crime or not depends on jurisdiction. But I do find it interesting that they tried to steal this thread as well. I guess it says something about the mentality. |
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Hi friends I am supporting ETH the one and only. I do not like this ETC scam that is trying to kill the idea for unique world computer system. If you want to support the cause. Join me in twitter https://twitter.com/real_ethereum. Let's show the renegades we will not tolerate them and let's defend the good reputation of ETH This is a parody account, right? If not then you are not doing ETH any favors. ETH supporters must be allowed to get hotheaded as well. It certainly can't harm. |
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Will DAO refund to both chains?
Not to eth. Only to forked eth. That was the whole point of the fork. Don't confuse people Exchanges show eth and etc Only one exchange decided to rename eth to etc. Other exchanges will do the right thing when they start trading both chains. This kind of trolling could lead to people losing money. Please stop it. you losing money ? No, but those sending eth or etc to a wrong account, because becoin is in a trolling mood, might (Believe me, I know becoin, he does not care about eth nor etc). pls be so kind and stop picking on single users if you have a thing with ihm sort it ouside of this thread. and i think people collect info befor they invest and find out what is eth and what is etc offering. then decide which way to go here an article http://bitcoinist.net/ethereum-classic-jumps-into-top-10-altcoins-in-less-than-a-day/.... yes, and part of collecting info in crypto is asking on forums. Keep your trolls on a leash and I won't bug them so much. |
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Any comments from ETH dev? I believe he can contact Poloniex and force them to shutdown ETC, no? In fact ETC is just a empty box, a dead coin as there is no team, no dev, no nothing, only the thief with his $50M. Correct?
No, in fact it seems like devs are leaning towards supporting etc development. I haven't seen any final word on it though. Edit: Any comments from ETH dev? I believe he can contact Poloniex and force them to shutdown ETC, no? In fact ETC is just a empty box, a dead coin as there is no team, no dev, no nothing, only the thief with his $50M. Correct?
Stop lying It was a question. |
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Will DAO refund to both chains?
Not to eth. Only to forked eth. That was the whole point of the fork. Don't confuse people Exchanges show eth and etc Only one exchange decided to rename eth to etc. Other exchanges will do the right thing when they start trading both chains. This kind of trolling could lead to people losing money. Please stop it. you losing money ? No, but those sending eth or etc to a wrong account, because becoin is in a trolling mood, might (Believe me, I know becoin, he does not care about eth nor etc). |
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Will DAO refund to both chains?
Not to eth. Only to forked eth. That was the whole point of the fork. Don't confuse people Exchanges show eth and etc Only one exchange decided to rename eth to etc. Other exchanges will do the right thing when they start trading both chains. This kind of trolling could lead to people losing money. Please stop it. |
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Will DAO refund to both chains?
Not to eth. Only to forked eth. That was the whole point of the fork. Don't confuse people Exchanges show eth and etc |
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Will DAO refund to both chains?
No, only with eth. |
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Ok Thanks to all... But when Start DAO Refund in ETH?mi have DAO on bittrex ... Refund is automatic or i need WTD and convert in manual? If manual i can do? Thanks for The support
It's already started. You should contact Bittrex about whether they have a conversion tool. I know poloniex has one. |
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The real world you created by forcing "consensus" with the illusion of democracy. In the real world those votes get thrown out. Look what has happened here.
No, the real world where sometimes you don't get it your way. The non-fork did not have enough support. Get over it. Enjoy the new alt. The real world where sometimes you don't get your way goes the same for you as it does me. The "non-fork" vote obviously has more support than you guys are willing to admit to. If the vote was done in a fair and democratic way then this chain wouldn't have survived long enough to get added to Poloniex in the first place. ETC is literally the exact same coin that had a billion dollar market cap a week ago. With developers saying they are going to support it still. If you want to dump yours, then dump. None of us care. We'll just buy it and profit later. If you're so convinced that ETC isn't going to survive then stop spamming the thread whining about us. Go do something more productive. I know I am. lol Yes, I was surprised to see BTCDrak, Samson Mow and Barry Silbert suddenly take an interest in the lowly world of non-btc smart contracts. Beyond that it's not much that surprised me about it. Maybe that Poloniex decided to take on a dying chain, but they will have to explain themselves to the regulatory authorities if things go awry. Not me. My whole point of engaging in this discussion was to prevent bitpop and a couple of others from wrecking the thread. I don't mind if you discuss etc news and price movements on this thread, but don't come here and try to disrupt the one place at bct where I can find some stuff and talk about Ethereum. This should not be a Ethereum Classic only thread. Bitpop has one of those. Whether or not it should be an Ethereum only thread will have to be up to the mods or thread starter. Also, if you come to any thread with screaming inaccuracies you shouldn't be surprised if those are addressed. |
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The real world you created by forcing "consensus" with the illusion of democracy. In the real world those votes get thrown out. Look what has happened here.
No, the real world where sometimes you don't get it your way. The non-fork did not have enough support. Get over it. Enjoy the new alt. |
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The choice given was fork or not. A majority of the aforementioned groups chose the proposed HF, including F2Pool. I guess they found that they had to, as they themselves suggested. I am sure there are people who disagree with how "democratic" it was, but the existence of Ethereum Classic shows that there was a choice. And, ironically, they're the ones who have decided not to respect this choice.
You're contradicting yourself here. If there is a choice, and some choose one way and others choose another way - which part of this you're having a problem with? That's how crypto forks work. Even a single dissenter with a CPU miner could keep the original chain alive. Should have thought about that BEFORE supporting a hard fork instead of expecting "respect" after the fact. No, there is no contradiction. The community as a whole chose the proposed HF. That does not mean that every single person chose or was in favor of the HF. That isn't a requirement either. But if you're going to remain in the community you have to at least act as if you've accepted the decision. What ETC has done is to ignore this. They've decided to not respect the choice of the community and create an altcoin. Which is fine in crypto. But what isn't fine is them running around spamming Ethereum threads with misinformation about Ethereum and their new altcoin. Otoh it does show their lack of seriousness and will accelerate their decline into insignificance. If you have a problem with someone spamming you should report it to moderators. Part of the debate is what is Ethereum. It would be sort of weird to report it to the mods before these questions are laid to rest, or at least discussed. I get the appeal to emotion. You're doing the same thing though. "misinformation", "altcoin", etc. The fact is - some people clicked "No" in Mist and are now on a different chain. Calling it names isn't any more serious than anyone else spamming this thread.
Do you disagree that there are two chains and two coins now? If so, we need to contact all these exchanges and get them to withdraw the latest addition. And they both are altcoins, btw. Regardless of your emotional life. I'm still failing to understand what exactly is the issue here for the pro-forkers. Everything seems to be happening EXACTLY as it was supposed to happen after a hard fork. Misplaced expectations perhaps?
People disagree. The world is not all rainbows and unicorns. Huh? You're the one expecting "respect" for the "chosen" fork. I'm perfectly fine with the disagreement and letting the blockchains live or die on their own. I'm getting a feeling you just want to stir shit up so I'll leave you to it. Ok, you've misunderstood the word "respect" in this context. I tried to make it more clear in my first reply to you. |
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The choice given was fork or not. A majority of the aforementioned groups chose the proposed HF, including F2Pool. I guess they found that they had to, as they themselves suggested. I am sure there are people who disagree with how "democratic" it was, but the existence of Ethereum Classic shows that there was a choice. And, ironically, they're the ones who have decided not to respect this choice.
You're contradicting yourself here. If there is a choice, and some choose one way and others choose another way - which part of this you're having a problem with? That's how crypto forks work. Even a single dissenter with a CPU miner could keep the original chain alive. Should have thought about that BEFORE supporting a hard fork instead of expecting "respect" after the fact. No, there is no contradiction. The community as a whole chose the proposed HF. That does not mean that every single person chose or was in favor of the HF. That isn't a requirement either. But if you're going to remain in the community you have to at least act as if you've accepted the decision. What ETC has done is to ignore this. They've decided to not respect the choice of the community and create an altcoin. Which is fine in crypto. But what isn't fine is them running around spamming Ethereum threads with misinformation about Ethereum and their new altcoin. Otoh it does show their lack of seriousness and will accelerate their decline into insignificance. If you have a problem with someone spamming you should report it to moderators. Part of the debate is what is Ethereum. It would be sort of weird to report it to the mods before these questions are laid to rest, or at least discussed. I get the appeal to emotion. You're doing the same thing though. "misinformation", "altcoin", etc. The fact is - some people clicked "No" in Mist and are now on a different chain. Calling it names isn't any more serious than anyone else spamming this thread.
Do you disagree that there are two chains and two coins now? If so, we need to contact all these exchanges and get them to withdraw the latest addition. And they both are altcoins, btw. Regardless of your emotional life. I'm still failing to understand what exactly is the issue here for the pro-forkers. Everything seems to be happening EXACTLY as it was supposed to happen after a hard fork. Misplaced expectations perhaps?
People disagree. The world is not all rainbows and unicorns. The choice given was fork or not. A majority of the aforementioned groups chose the proposed HF, including F2Pool. I guess they found that they had to, as they themselves suggested. I am sure there are people who disagree with how "democratic" it was, but the existence of Ethereum Classic shows that there was a choice. And, ironically, they're the ones who have decided not to respect this choice.
You're contradicting yourself here. If there is a choice, and some choose one way and others choose another way - which part of this you're having a problem with? That's how crypto forks work. Even a single dissenter with a CPU miner could keep the original chain alive. Should have thought about that BEFORE supporting a hard fork instead of expecting "respect" after the fact. No, there is no contradiction. The community as a whole chose the proposed HF. That does not mean that every single person chose or was in favor of the HF. That isn't a requirement either. But if you're going to remain in the community you have to at least act as if you've accepted the decision. What ETC has done is to ignore this. They've decided to not respect the choice of the community and create an altcoin. Which is fine in crypto. But what isn't fine is them running around spamming Ethereum threads with misinformation about Ethereum and their new altcoin. Otoh it does show their lack of seriousness and will accelerate their decline into insignificance. The community as a whole, except for all those people that were opposed to it. But fuck them, right? Welcome to the real world, buddy! But how can a dev support 2 competing chains and "take care of them equally"? This is a blatant case of what the law defines as 'conflict of interest'.
No it isn't. |
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The choice given was fork or not. A majority of the aforementioned groups chose the proposed HF, including F2Pool. I guess they found that they had to, as they themselves suggested. I am sure there are people who disagree with how "democratic" it was, but the existence of Ethereum Classic shows that there was a choice. And, ironically, they're the ones who have decided not to respect this choice.
You're contradicting yourself here. If there is a choice, and some choose one way and others choose another way - which part of this you're having a problem with? That's how crypto forks work. Even a single dissenter with a CPU miner could keep the original chain alive. Should have thought about that BEFORE supporting a hard fork instead of expecting "respect" after the fact. No, there is no contradiction. The community as a whole chose the proposed HF. That does not mean that every single person chose or was in favor of the HF. That isn't a requirement either. But if you're going to remain in the community you have to at least act as if you've accepted the decision. What ETC has done is to ignore this. They've decided to not respect the choice of the community and create an altcoin. Which is fine in crypto. But what isn't fine is them running around spamming Ethereum threads with misinformation about Ethereum and their new altcoin. Otoh it does show their lack of seriousness and will accelerate their decline into insignificance. |
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is this project (Ethereum Classic) in relation with ETH ? i am confused please let us know the different between the two if not ?
Ethereum Classic is original ethereum before they did a centralized fork. In other words: it's a new altcoin without the backing of The Ethereum Team, without the backing of The Ethereum Foundation, and with their own tokens called ETC at exchanges. They have their own thread too: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1559630.msg15702715#msg15702715But for some reason mr.bitpop has decided to hang in this thread just to confuse people. |
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Last I checked the ETH developers implemented a design to make this possible. They gave us the means. They created the wallet for this project. They have pledged support to this project. All you had to do was click "no" in your wallet. Then you were on ETC. You had to disagree with a change for technical reasons. It had nothing to do with your vote. This is within the design created by the Ethereum project that forked away from the chain. Yes but this thread is about the immutable chain which is ETC
Is this the kind of stupid you expect to build your community on?You might disagree with Vitalik about the way forward, but anyone with half a brain knows who made this thread and what it's for. Vitaliks team wanted to take Ethereum in a different direction than you. They got the miners, users and exchanges to follow them. So you created an alt. And you have accepted this. You don't call it Ethereum. You call it Ethereum Classic. All the exchanges use the abbreviation ETC for this new alt. Eth from the original Ethereum team is still listed as ETH. Unless ETC is just a project meant to troll Ethereum I suggest that you clean up these distinctions so that users can make an informed decision between Ethereum and your Ethereum Alt. Like Expanse, Lisk and others have done. Btw, why not sell your eth, move to Expanse or Lisk and boost those projects? At least they have a clear profile, active devs and some USPs. It's amazing how much stupid I see coming from this thread. Vitalik's team created ETC. They got the miners, users, and exchanges to follow them against their will. They were given a "choice", not a choice. The process was not truly democratic. A pool voted against it and was forced to fork. The pools that voted for it had terrible turnout. Turnout that was so bad any true democratic process would have thrown out the vote and tried again. Is it not true that if I send 2 Ether to the "yes" wallet and 1 Ether to the "no" wallet that both would count? So, if I wanted to have a thousandmillion votes I just needed to be the next Soros, right? Is that a democratic process? Is that consensus? Does it even matter now? We've already heard from enough people to know that there are people within the foundation that disagree with the fork and have committed to helping ETC. Or are you willfully blind to the statements being made? You say they had the miners. We're showing you they didn't with hashrate. We have new pools joining every day, and more miners joining as they find out about us. You say they had the users. We're showing you they didn't with volume, price, tweets, threads, etc. You say they had the exchanges. We're showing you they didn't by getting added to more exchanges and those exchanges issuing the tokens ETC holders are owed. Bitfinex and Shapeshift coming soon. What more do you need to see there isn't a consensus here? How about this thread on Steem? https://steemit.com/ethereum/@pigeons/conversation-between-vitalik-and-exchangesYou've never had the support of the exchanges or the pools. They were forced. http://www.coindesk.com/hard-fork-ethereum-dao/Did you really have the support of the miners? This article suggests you didn't. F2pool said: "We are as a matter of principle against unduly rushed or controversial hard forks irrespective of the team proposing and we will not run such code on production systems nor mine any block from that hard-fork. I believe this is universal and it could be applied to ethereum, too. I fail to see why we must take such a controversial and risky hard fork. We are not willing to deploy this hard fork unless we have to." Consensus? We have it. Do you? Fitting. https://twitter.com/SatoshiLite/status/757377362677764096No devs eh. https://decentralize.today/a-tale-of-two-chains-3f6d58a9df4a#.x9jm54rrmhttps://twitter.com/gavofyork/status/757197495801880576This is why ETC exists. https://twitter.com/Excellion/status/757006923057078272What's wrong with ETH. https://twitter.com/ChandlerGuo/status/757191880740184064I guess the answer is yes. I was open to finding a reason to accept Ethereum Classic as a legitimate alt. Sadly, there is nothing here.
I will try to address some points though. The choice given was fork or not. A majority of the aforementioned groups chose the proposed HF, including F2Pool. I guess they found that they had to, as they themselves suggested. I am sure there are people who disagree with how "democratic" it was, but the existence of Ethereum Classic shows that there was a choice. And, ironically, they're the ones who have decided not to respect this choice. There was a hashrate spike yesterday when ETC was listed on polo, but it's declining now. At max I think it was still below 7%. And some of those were ETH miners trying to attack the network. Yes, ETC is listed at polo and a couple of other places, but it is not listed as ETH. Therefore, you didn't get the exchanges with you. Users.... well, If you retained any users this should show in price. Atm the price of ETC is 1/20 of ETH and rapidly declining. I'm sure there is more I can poke a hole in, but if people don't see the big picture now, I doubt they ever will. |
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Can someone give the ELI5 on why the forkers seem to be butthurt about ETC? Isn't that the whole idea of the fork? Two chains and all.
Because ETC is not legit. For me what ethc will be a good gauge of, is who in the community supports theft! If etc gains traction then the majority of crypto space are either traders which isn't any good as we won't see consistent development as the coin can be dumped to shit by tomorrow. Or they are mostly scammers and that is disheartening to say the least. I could easily dump the 1k ether I had prior to fork but I feel it's just wrong. And the more and more this happens this becomes about just making a quick buck instead of the "crypto revolution". The more time passes the more this whole thing looks like joke to me. Starting to dump my hw on eBay. Time to look for a new hobby. This is becoming a scammers paradise run by those that are supposedly trustworthy. What a fucking joke seriously bitpop you lost all credibility where with me you would have to earn in the first place and this isn't the correct fork to take to do that  . Good luck with scam ethc. Bad enough we had to fork to keep the fucking theives at bay. Then we have the likes of ethc. What a joke! o my god, how often does one have to tell . the ETC does not support the thief . ETC suports the international law that says lynchjustic is a crime . selfjustic is not alowed. the thief shall be punished by the law and not the crime is erased by the devs couse investors dont wanted to hassle of an investigation. So if someone is in your garage stealing your car you're going to open the garage door for them because "[sic]selfjustic is not alowed". If you believe in what you say you should call the proper authorities and let them handle it. Creating an alt is not a solution. One solution is to take it back. There are plenty of instances of self justice that are allowed. If you lose a bike and you find it 6 months later you can just take it back (I'd advice you to notify the police of when and where you took it, though). But this is not "[sic]lynchjustic", nor is taking back blockchain tokens. no you misinterpret what you call a allowed selfjustic. in the case you find your stolen bike . you are only alowed to keep a hold on it not take it in posetion and walk awy. all you can do it put a lock on it ride it to the cops and then claim it as yours . where you have to prove without doubt that is is yours , for example with a picture that shows you on it and so on. at least in a civilisation its handled like that There are 196 countries in the world. All with different legal systems. Ethereum is a globally distributed decentralized network. Within this context I would ask that you explain your position. |
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Yes but this thread is about the immutable chain which is ETC
Is this the kind of stupid you expect to build your community on? You might disagree with Vitalik about the way forward, but anyone with half a brain knows who made this thread and what it's for. Vitaliks team wanted to take Ethereum in a different direction than you. They got the miners, users and exchanges to follow them. So you created an alt. And you have accepted this. You don't call it Ethereum. You call it Ethereum Classic. All the exchanges use the abbreviation ETC for this new alt. Eth from the original Ethereum team is still listed as ETH. Unless ETC is just a project meant to troll Ethereum I suggest that you clean up these distinctions so that users can make an informed decision between Ethereum and your Ethereum Alt. Like Expanse, Lisk and others have done. Btw, why not sell your eth, move to Expanse or Lisk and boost those projects? At least they have a clear profile, active devs and some USPs. are you vitaliks spokesman? his pulic voice? did he entitle you to speak for him? i didnt find anything on his page about you ......if what you said here is his opinion.... go back to him and let him give you an autorisation to speak for him if not please stop posting in his name Are you bitpops spokeswoman? Edit: I seriously hope you're not a lawyer. If so, you don't really understand what you're doing. |
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Yes but this thread is about the immutable chain which is ETC
Vitaliks team wanted to take Ethereum in a different direction than you. They got the miners, users and exchanges to follow them. So you created an alt. lol How do I create something that is already there? How do I create something that is already present and I guard it from being killed? Hi becoin Have you bought some ETC now? Of course. It'd be a sin to miss this huge opportunity and not buy the original ETH at such a wild discount. Have you bought non-forked ETH as well? They literally threw it at me. I had to hurry dumping it before the price tanked. Sure good there were some Bitcoin maximalists, with money to burn and a point to prove, ready to buy them from me. |
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Yes but this thread is about the immutable chain which is ETC
Vitaliks team wanted to take Ethereum in a different direction than you. They got the miners, users and exchanges to follow them. So you created an alt. lol How do I create something that is already there? How do I create something that is already present and I guard it from being killed? Hi becoin Have you bought some ETC now? |
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