Honestly I don't think there is much to do on pascal as compared to maxwell, from the miner point of view.
I hope I'm proven wrong, but we should be happy with that 50% to 80% increase in hash/power ratio.
Excluding ether, of course (neoscrypt just needs to be tuned and lyra2re (v1) is dead).
80%? i didn't see any 80% in the 970 vs 1070, if it was the case, i would be more than happy, it would be a must buy for me according to: http://cryptomining-blog.com/7973-testing-the-nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-for-crypto-mining/1080 vs 970 is up to 120% faster (see lyra2v2 or nist5 for example). 1070 should be about 30% slower, so well over 80% faster than 970, in those cases. Power usage similar, maybe even lower on 1070. too bad this is not the case the 1070 is getting like 34MH on lyra, which is only 50% faster than a 970, i dunno about nist, can not find anything ...wait i think your math on % is wrong there, an increase of 50% is equal to a decrease of 30%, so being slower 30% is in fact equal to being faster of 50% not 80% 48MH on lyra for 1080 is equal to around 32MH(30% slower) on a 1070, and a 32MH is almost 50% higher versus 22MH on a 970 now based on the bench i see that a 1070 should be around 70% faster than a 970, so there is definetily room for an improvement in the code |
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Honestly I don't think there is much to do on pascal as compared to maxwell, from the miner point of view.
I hope I'm proven wrong, but we should be happy with that 50% to 80% increase in hash/power ratio.
Excluding ether, of course (neoscrypt just needs to be tuned and lyra2re (v1) is dead).
80%? i didn't see any 80% in the 970 vs 1070, if it was the case, i would be more than happy, it would be a must buy for me |
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also i believe the current price increase it's due probably to 50% halving, another 30% chinese moving from yuan, and 20% brexit, then the 50% will reduce to 40% and you have that 10% because of the halved block reward as you speculated
You are playing with percentages a bit too loosely. You just can't take one percentage, subtract it from another and then claim the difference to represent a ratio. Just for your educational purposes, if you subtract two percentages, as a result you get percentage points, not percents... As I once told you, you shouldn't have skipped classes in school, since the lack of basic education severely betrays you don't lose yourself too much into semantic, it's worth shit, not worth debating and not worth my time with that what i said it's just to give you an idea, no need to be the "finicky guy"....that's what i call useless precision... Then don't get surprised if you are being constantly misunderstood due to your indiscriminate use and promiscuous confusion of diverse notions, concepts and ideas, i.e. the opposite of what you call "useless precision"... Though, as I said, it is no more than a lack of basic education and thought discipline it's not a lack of basic education, it's just a way to teach thing faster like you do with your code in programmer area you will optimize it by removing the useless things to make it faster, i do it in the same way with our language, certain things do not need to be explained with an eli5, they can be understood easily it depend on the context |
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I like this position. I either become wealthier, or buy back and get free coins. No matter what the price does, I win.
Until 'they' stop pumping Bitcoin and instead, take a big shit all over it and it dumps back down to beneath your mean buy-in level. this pump was actually very predictable, any retarded would have known that the hype + other shit would have resulted in a huge pump, easy profit there if you want to p%d yourself...
If this pump is so predictable (it was, everyone 'predicted it', they just never knew exactly where, how, and when), then at what levels are you going to start taking profits? If you start taking profits before BTC dumps, how do you know that you won't start rebuying on 'corrections', only to watch Bitcoin slip further and further down from your rebuy in price? Loads and loads of people do this. I have done it in the past. Whilst I am far from pleased with my performance during the pump, I would rather skim some profit from it, then have the dubious pleasure of sitting staring at max profit taking potential, only for my hubris to turn to despair as I end up getting run over by the market, or rather, by those who decides where the market goes, where it stops, and then where it dumps to. Been there, done it all before. the pump itself was predictable not the final outcome, all i know is that it was basically 100% sure to be pumped, then you can not expect to have precise guess about the top and the bottom, i never implied that with my post but here what i think it may happen, so don't yell at me in few day/weeks and say you were wrong and bullshit like that, it's just a guess i was guessing since we were at 4xx level that the pump will make the price jump up to 8xx-9xx without touching 1k, than a consolidation around 8xx for some weeks/months |
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they should build a decentralized exchange directly into core client, no need a third party software
that would be majestic to have
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your lack of understanding or possible trolling is concerning me some times, saying that he is not right have more than 1 meaning, in this case he is not fully right but only partially.... But you assumed that he was right, not that he was wrong (or right only in part to a limited extent) the price is increase because of the hype around the halving for now and subsequently because of the less reward that will be present in few weeks, so not only because of pure hype like many think That's why I'm asking if the OP is going to cancel halving, since it is the first thing that should be done, assuming he is right, i.e. that much of the price increase (say over 90%) is due to sheer hype and heavy brainwashing linked to halving... Isn't this the same what you were assuming too? i think the op is just talking from his ass, he don't know if he is right or not, and hopefully he can not cancel any halving, or we would be screwed also i believe the current price increase it's due probably to 50% halving, another 30% chinese moving from yuan, and 20% brexit, then the 50% will reduce to 40% and you have that 10% because of the halved block reward as you speculated You are playing with percentages a bit too loosely. You just can't take one percentage, subtract it from another and then claim the difference to represent a ratio. Just for your educational purposes, if you subtract two percentages, as a result you get percentage points, not percents... As I once told you, you shouldn't have skipped classes in school, since the lack of basic education severely betrays you don't lose yourself too much into semantic, it's worth shit, not worth debating and not worth my time with that what i said it's just to give you an idea, no need to be the "finicky guy"....that's what i call useless precision... |
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AND Neoscrypt (half the performance of 970). Those are basically all the algos that are worth mining right now besides Lyra2. CMB did some testing, couple people posted it here. Considering there is only one algo for 1xxx series to mine, expect that one to start dipping down to the other shit algos like blake. So you're essentially mining for one coin with the 1xxx series. Not one to hate, but your math in this case is seriously lacking. In other news, Nicehash really needs a auto-upload mode for their benchmark mode in their miner. Right now, the only place to go to look at GPUs is like here: http://62.212.74.86/~mining/list/index.php?brand=amdThat's a giant list of shit, mixed clocks, versions of sgminer (for instance), multiple GPUs in some cases(!?!?), and you can barely sort it let alone separate it. A bit of automation in this case would be super helpful. I was trying to find some data on the latest versions of sgminer, but it's a shit show. you will never know what the best algo will be for the future, all i know is that i will never mine for one algo, EVER, this si like having an asic, which i hate to death my math is right, and it is based on my consumption, but you are actually losing money by missing the 50% more hash that a 1070 can give to you right now over the 970 or over any other amd also what you're talking about when saying "half the performance"? currently a 1070 can mine at 1MH on neoiscrypt which is 50% more than a 970, and this without any optimization for pascal Lyra2 IS one algo. The other two, NeoS and Dagger, that actually earn money the 1XXX series does not perform well in, actually worse then a 970. I agree, I'll never mine one algo either... And in this case the 1XXX series only can mine one algo at any sort of meaningful rate. As such, anyone buying one will only mine that algo and we will see equalization with the other algos except Dagger (Ethereum). Where are you getting your results for the 1070 on Neoscrypt? According to cryptominingblog, the 1080 is doing 357khs on Neoscrypt, which makes sense as both 1XXX have a 256bit bus and are crippled on Dagger. Neoscrypt is also very memory intensive, although not as much as dagger. http://cryptomining-blog.com/I also agree you have to think long term, but right now you're going to lose money buying a 1xxx over other cards due to their craptastic hashrate in 2 of the 3 big algos, low availability, and crappy super hiked up prices. i think they are using a worse version, this guy is getting 900 on neoscrypt, but bears in mind that the pascal architecture need a code rewrite to be able to reach full potential it's not far stretched to think that there will be a 50% boost in the future, on all algo, we just need the coder... you can not compare like this, you optimized like no tomorrow your 980ti, but you didn't the same with the 1080, with optimization a 1080 can probably do 30% more hash than a 980ti, this is basing on the benchmark
not talking about intensity, here talking about rewrite the code for the new architecture that is pascal, which has yet to be unveiled
True. But I will not do the job.  well that's bad, if we collect some btc maybe you will change your mind? otherwise we need to ask to someone else |
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for 970 nvidia
still better to use win7 , 347.52 driver with ethminer 1,1,4 -G option ?
are those the best driver? i changed to the last one, it may explain why i experienced a little loss in the hash, but not sure |
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no it's that thing i'm sure, it's the cpu limit thing, a g1840 can not be overclocked, it's locked to 2.8, you need at least 3.2 or more to not be limited
i need to buy the g3528 which is unlocked and can be overclocked to 4G easily
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assuming you increased some algo to 10-20%, the same will happen for the 1080, so add 20% more on top of that hashrate...
This is not the case. I have a few that has tested the "public" private bins, and they are sometimes slower than the opensource. My buyable private Spreadcoin #9 is up 0.6MHASH on the 1070 and 1MHASH on the 1080 compared to the opensource. 1070: 6000 -> 6600 1080: 7500 -> 8500 you still need to tweak it for the pascal, you can squeeze some more hash from it I think playing with the -x parameter can give a boost. i mean from a kernel point of view, pascal it's a new architecture, there should be a considerable boost, with the correct code did you look at it already? THIS IS NOT MY CARD MSI gtx 1080 Gaming X on lyra2v2 NiceHashMiner.v1.5.1.0
43.6MHASH is good, but I can do 41 MHASH stable on my 980ti. So the 1080 is only 6.34% faster than a pimped 980ti. (private kernal (sp-mod #7) with overclocking) You can pick up a used 980ti for half the price of the 1080 on ebay... The 1080 use around 180Watt and the 980ti use 250Watt. you can not compare like this, you optimized like no tomorrow your 980ti, but you didn't the same with the 1080, with optimization a 1080 can probably do 30% more hash than a 980ti, this is basing on the benchmark not talking about intensity, here talking about rewrite the code for the new architecture that is pascal, which has yet to be unveiled |
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assuming you increased some algo to 10-20%, the same will happen for the 1080, so add 20% more on top of that hashrate...
This is not the case. I have a few that has tested the "public" private bins, and they are sometimes slower than the opensource. My buyable private Spreadcoin #9 is up 0.6MHASH on the 1070 and 1MHASH on the 1080 compared to the opensource. 1070: 6000 -> 6600 1080: 7500 -> 8500 you still need to tweak it for the pascal, you can squeeze some more hash from it AND Neoscrypt (half the performance of 970). Those are basically all the algos that are worth mining right now besides Lyra2. CMB did some testing, couple people posted it here. Considering there is only one algo for 1xxx series to mine, expect that one to start dipping down to the other shit algos like blake. So you're essentially mining for one coin with the 1xxx series. Not one to hate, but your math in this case is seriously lacking. In other news, Nicehash really needs a auto-upload mode for their benchmark mode in their miner. Right now, the only place to go to look at GPUs is like here: http://62.212.74.86/~mining/list/index.php?brand=amdThat's a giant list of shit, mixed clocks, versions of sgminer (for instance), multiple GPUs in some cases(!?!?), and you can barely sort it let alone separate it. A bit of automation in this case would be super helpful. I was trying to find some data on the latest versions of sgminer, but it's a shit show. you will never know what the best algo will be for the future, all i know is that i will never mine for one algo, EVER, this si like having an asic, which i hate to death my math is right, and it is based on my consumption, but you are actually losing money by missing the 50% more hash that a 1070 can give to you right now over the 970 or over any other amd also what you're talking about when saying "half the performance"? currently a 1070 can mine at 1MH on neoscrypt which is 50% more than a 970, and this without any optimization for pascal |
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your lack of understanding or possible trolling is concerning me some times, saying that he is not right have more than 1 meaning, in this case he is not fully right but only partially.... But you assumed that he was right, not that he was wrong (or right only in part to a limited extent) the price is increase because of the hype around the halving for now and subsequently because of the less reward that will be present in few weeks, so not only because of pure hype like many think That's why I'm asking if the OP is going to cancel halving, since it is the first thing that should be done, assuming he is right, i.e. that much of the price increase (say over 90%) is due to sheer hype and heavy brainwashing linked to halving... Isn't this the same what you were assuming too? i think the op is just talking from his ass, he don't know if he is right or not, and hopefully he can not cancel any halving, or we would be screwed also i believe the current price increase it's due probably to 50% halving, another 30% chinese moving from yuan, and 20% brexit, then the 50% will reduce to 40% and you have that 10% because of the halved block reward as you speculated |
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My triple-GPU Nvidia Win7 rig (2x 950 1x 960) runs a 4-core APU - AND also runs the DNet client on the APU's GPU part, AND Prime95 on all 4 CPU cores
I DO notice that one of the CPU cores seems to run Prime a LOT slower than the others - obviously the one that's actively running the system and various software.
I don't notice ANY hashrate difference between when I'm runnnig all of it and just running the miner by itself.
The only difference I've seen on multi-core CPU vs single-core is during DAG file creation - I sometimes get 2 DAG file "threads" running at the same time, and the system doesn't seem to bog down as much.
The Big Rig (triple AMD R9-290) is quite happy with it's Semperon 145 - though when I shift it over to something else after ETH gets unprofitable I'll probably swap one of my X240 dual-cores in it's place - planning to build a new file server and that 145 would be overkill for it.
Might it be the g3240 is just too slow clocked, rather than being single-core? I don't know Intel low-end CPUs well enough to rememeber even appx specs on their G-series stuff.
Semperon 145 is the same series as the X240 (Regor) except it's got one core disabled, I forget which clocks higher but might be the same - 2,8 Ghz comes to mind.
Aren't the G series dual core? Dual core has been around forever... Anyway, you can clock those things to 4.2ghz+, that's what they're good for. 4.2? 50% oc? i don't think so, and you need a good cooler for that not the stock intel one, also it might not work with a h81 pro btc |
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It is 3D mark, so it is not too relavant to the Ethereum mining. It is even 40% slower than 1070, not very encouraging. seems that the 480 is close to nano speed and caps out at 100 watts http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-480-faster-than-nano-980/I expect it to be the go to card for eth mining in the next few months i would avoid buying a card only for one algo, on the other algo 480 will be worse than a 1070, and not by few % etheruem will not last forever, what you will do in six months then when another new algo will kick in and destroy etheruem that went pos? at that point would be wise to have a strong card with better density to save on many rigs gimme a break with your voodo economics its about making money now no one is making money with a $500 1070 fuck the future youre not fooling anyone bro no idiots here. if the 480 is decentcand price holds around 230 best belive im swapping put all my power hungry cards for it a $500 card that can be sold 1 year later for 400 , will hold its value no problem, the initial investment is not really a concern for me, what it matter is the profit you make with that card i bought my 970 for 230-240 euro i can easily sell them for the same price now 2 months later or even more buying a gpu only for one algo is not so different than buying an asic, shitty strategy also buying now a 1070 is not different than buying nano before(actually it's better nano was priced $600), same crap, so i don't understand the issue about the price really two 480s will mine at a minimum of 23 mhs each and both cost at worst and cost less than half the price of a 1070 and they will hold their value just as well as a 1070. We were buying nano's because there was nothing out there as efficient at the time , in 14 days all that changes it would be stupid to buy a single 1070 now when you will be able to get nearly double the hash rate for the same price and possibly with rom mods the close to the same power drain. The 1070 purchase is kind of moot anyways , you cant find them for sale anywhere ,at least you can find nanos in any quantity to you want. the 480 will most likely be priced higher than excepted the same is happening for the 1070, so do not expect 200 at launch at all but probably 250 or more in some country even 300 the new target price is 229 for the 480 btw.. since one 480 is equal to 970 in hashrate in any other algo and a 1070 it's already 50%(without any optimization i believe it can be pushed to 80% easily) faster than a 1070 you have already a card that is worth $400 and again i don't care about etheruem, you guys should really stop basing your argument only about etheruem when even now there is another more profitable coin retail for a 1070 is still 449 still nearly twice the price of a single 480 and $229 is the price of the 8gb 480 which no alogos need more than 4g . optimzation or not id rather have the amd parts right now , whose to say with optimzation they wont hash bettter on ther algos than expected either. price per watt is king though because they are equal to a 970 in gaming or slightly worse, usually this mean that they will be there in hashing surely not on par with a 1070 in overall performance, that's why they cost only 200, if you except them to perform the same(as 1070) in any other algo minus etheruem you are wrong a 1070 will be 50% faster on other algo, not talking about etheruem, so it's worth 400 at launch, and 350 after the price return to the right point |
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Mat, you just posted a picture where you said it's "dangerous" to buy at $430. Dangerous for anyone who doesn't want to leave poverty?
I think it is dangerous to buy Bitcoin at any price, cos I know that Bitcoin is worthless bloated shit, and that it is all just a dirty Chinaman's game to put whitey's USD in his back pocket....  when you lose the train you start insulting the thing that made you lose the profit, you are basing your trading too much on TA, bitcoin don't care about old TA or TA at all it's all fucking random, you can not predict this market, no matter the skil this pump was actually very predictable, any retarded would have known that the hype + other shit would have resulted in a huge pump, easy profit there if you want to p%d yourself... |
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there is any flaw in bitcoin, it's just don't scale right, but it still work wonderfully scaling problem can be fixed easily for now, it's justa problem of consensus... |
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no, etheruem is a scam made in the way that the hype is overlooking the scam itself, besides they are good only for your bitcoin portfolio, i would not hold any alt for the time being and for any other time
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you must be new here, remember the run up to the last ath? it happened in 2-3 week, and it moved from $90 to $1200
now that was impressive, this is a child play in comparison, but it look more solid at elast
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that is an old news, it say march 2016, how it is related with the recent pump? it can still be because of chinese, or brexit or halving, many possibility, i think the halving is the greatest betwen those yes It was somehow relevant or related with the recent pump because as far as we know, it was a fake pump manipulated by those chinese exchangers. That's probably why we are now seeing a slow drop of value. Probably. slow drop in value is gone. Are we back to the 'fake pump manipulated by chinese'? most likely, this is not a fake pump at all, too many thing are going on that can increase easily the bitcoin price, brexit, halving, chinese yuan losing value etc... how you can even think this si fake is beyond me.... |
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i think the problem may occur only with more than a certain number of gpu, say 5-6
i noticed this in many algo, now on neoscrypt i'm getting 20-30 kh less on each card that is running with the g1840, the single card running with the i7 beast is sitting at 670-678 EVEN when i use the pc
but perhaps it has to do because of the number of gpu itself, the more gpu you have in one rig, the more hash you lose overall on that rig? can anyone confirm?
we are however talking about minimal losses, nothing major...
Some algo/os/cpu/ram/miner combos are cpu limited when you have multiple GPU“s. that's what i was talking about, now my question is if one buy a i3 core/4 thread, they will remain cpu limited or not? |
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