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481  Other / Meta / Re: Merit & new rank requirements on: February 03, 2018, 04:42:59 PM
... While the legit members who the Merit system is designed to aid get next to no Merit due to scarcity and lack of desire to Merit.

It may work out this way, but who knows.. is early days lol


I´m sympathetic to this viewpoint. Many people don´t seem to bother with the merit system
at all, which artificially reduces the supply of merit. I read somewhere that roughly 600k merits
were initially distributed. As of now merits are not really circulating as freely as theymos envisioned
it. The situation is going to get worse, because only ~11k merits are generated by the merit sources each month.

If the system is not working properly in spite of the huge supply due to the initial starting
balance of each user, how is it ever going to work when new merits are only generated by merit sources?

I know the theory is that merits will trickle down, because each awarded merit generates 0.5 sMerit.
However, this is clearly not working as intended, because many users don´t award merits at all.

Just take a look at a recent 1 hour period:
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Today at 04:28:40 PM: 1 from actmyname for Re:
    USERS THAT ARE ABUSING MERIT SYSTEM
    Today at 04:20:08 PM: 1 from vinz7229 for Re: Why Bitcoin is better than cash?
    Today at 04:13:27 PM: 1 from Altcoins enthusiast for when you sell out of panic, you are contributing to the dump!
    Today at 04:05:49 PM: 2 from rog1121 for Re: How to explain bitcoin to teenagers or children
    Today at 04:02:03 PM: 3 from Copulative for Re: How to protect your bitcoin
    Today at 03:37:50 PM: 2 from mjglqw for Re: Only 21.000.000 Bitcoins in existance
    Today at 03:37:29 PM: 1 from filterMX for Re: Penjualan Token Sampai Jadi Rupiah Lewat Etherdelta
    Today at 03:36:28 PM: 1 from Old God for Airdrop & Bounty
    Today at 03:36:12 PM: 1 from Old God for Re: Кошелек риппл не отдает 22 риппла
    Today at 03:34:48 PM: 1 from Old God for Re: чувак, зачем тебе столько денег?
    Today at 03:34:13 PM: 1 from kaisa for Re: Why the bitcoin price is down?
    Today at 03:31:47 PM: 1 from twbt for Re: Der Aktuelle Kursverlauf
A few random observations:
-only 16 merits were awarded in one hour
-for nearly 25 minutes of this hour not a single merit was awarded
-maybe 3/16 merits were awarded to a quality post (I concede that this is subjective and only my opinion) ... but if you take
a look at the posts that were awarded with merits most are pretty terrible

There are several other 1 hour periods where exactly the same problems
occurred (low total amount of merits awarded, merits for questionable posts) and I didn´t really
had to invest any time into cherry picking.

I like the general intention behind the merit system, but it clearly is not working very well.
I also disagree with the viewpoint that "you have to give it some time" or "it´s early days" or
similar adages, because as I argued above it should work great at the start due to the merit starting
balances of most Member-Legendary users.

Besides, I completely understand why many people don´t want to bother with the merit
system at all. Even if giving out a merit only takes a few seconds if you are fast it still
interrupts your reading experience.

I would compare merits to a shitcoin with a 600k coin supply, where probably half
of the supply belongs to inactive users and will never be spent while many of the remaining
HODLers don´t want to bother with it, because it is worth nothing and isn´t traded
at any exchange. Consequently, we are left with a few enthusiasts, who use the shitcoin
for its intended purpose and a few people, who just use it to troll or to have fun (e.g. stuff
like awarding merits to random shitposts or old classics like the Satoshi posts).

Disclaimer: I´m not even particularly affected by the merit system personally, because even though
I would be a Sr. Member based on activity, I have already "earned" 91 merits since the introduction
of the system and will likely rank up soon anyway.


I just don´t think that the sytem is working as intended and that theymos has to take
some measures to increase the circulation of merits.

Possible solutions could be:
-increase the amount of merit sources (I´m not talking about 2-3 new sources, I would increase them by 100 % or more)
-lower the merit requirements for ranking up to take into account the fact that they are not circulating as intended
-remove the merit system completely and replace it with another solution
-impose a minimum merit requirement to prevent people from only awarding a single merit to a post
(theymos argued in one of his recent posts that he initially envisioned that people would award 5-10 merits to a good
post and 1 merit to every post that is remotely readable)
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People are so impatient. I would imagine theymos spent 100 times longer attempting to develop a solution to the problem than this solution has been in place. Your dataset is too small to determine anything. Come back in six months and let’s see if it’s working.

How many Legendary members with plenty of merit to give have had to work the last week and have had no free time to visit the forum?

How many Legendary members have been here once or twice but have yet to notice the merit system?

You said, there was a period of 25 minutes of a one hour period where no merit was awarded. I’m sorry, I had to take a shower. I couldn’t do it right then. I’ve noticed for, um, let’s see, about the last 7 years that there are frequently large periods of inactivity on this forum. People are doing other things. They’re not all here at once.

What I’ve observed since the merit system began is that there are fewer people posting:

My doggie is a pony.

I like bitcoin go higher so snickers make money do good top run.

I want make deposit to bitcoin bank can I buy fish with bitcoin credit card?

Bitcoin transactions cost so much because so much fee is really really high for selling. That’s why you have problem. Glad I could help. Can you tip me?

You don’t like the response, “give it some time” because your impatient. I’ve already seen it working but to really know you will need a lot more time not just a little.

This forum was a shitnest of people that were either all 9 years old, having a monkey rank them up by banging on their keyboard so they can earn money, or non english speaking people banging on a keyboard nonsensically so they can earn money. This has to change.

Would you rather implement a “likes” system. If you remove this system you’re just as likely to get something that’s worse. I can tell you that it’s harder to find people worthy of ranking up than you think it is. I’ve lowered my standards a lot just to be able to give merit to reasonably decent posters because I can’t find very many.

Increasing the number of sources would only help if there were these great members that are being ignored. If sources aren’t handing out enough merit to people that will become obvious and theymos can replace them with a new source.

Lowering the requirements would just keep the same monkeys banging on keyboards. Making people give more merit per post is the equivalent of increasing the number of sources.

I am handing out merit in the thread linked in my signature but I’m not getting nearly as many requests as I thought I would so obviously not that many people care or have found out yet. So what’s my answer to you? Wait for it, you’re gonna love it, you need to give this more time to work.
482  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is it true bitcoin will fall to the leve of $1800 or $1500 ? on: February 03, 2018, 06:48:20 AM
Some experts who says bitcoin to completely crash is it true ?
all i am going to say to this is that each time there is a tiny crash, some idiots come out and start calling themselves "experts" and say price will fall to some ridiculously low number. they say this with complete randomness.

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One of the reason said is virtual currency having no physical form and at least no transferable physically can not be recognized by  retail public users.
hence proving my point that these are idiots calling themselves "experts".

I don’t know dude, $20,000 to $8,000 drop. I think this qualifies as a little more than a tiny crash, it was a bloodletting that drained away 60% of bitcoins value inside of two weeks. I don’t know how far it will drop but this is already a major bubble pop. I hope these experts are right because I’m going to buy btc like mad at $1,500.
483  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: WARREN BUFFET says Bitcoin won't end well on: February 03, 2018, 04:56:02 AM
Why would anyone still listen to Warren Buffet? He’s 87 years old. He probably craps in his pants as much or more than he does on porcelain. He thinks someone giving you a teabag is making you tea. Snowballing to him is when you gang up on someone in a snow ball fight. This was a badassed new car when he started investing:



His knowledge and understanding of the world is outdated. His day to help anyone investing in anything ended about twenty years ago.
484  Other / Meta / Re: TEN CLASSIC Bitcointalk posts. on: February 03, 2018, 04:24:21 AM
QA, is this it?

It's mentioned in this post of Slush's pool thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1976.msg2439359#msg2439359

As I've read in another post:

Please help out Organofcorti by taking part in this miner survey: https://docs.google.com/a/organofcorti.org/forms/d/1EgNjL-N6mMEfOsDup2Pr7I5B9sM2LUVZOGcddcBCEFI/viewform

That way he can keep bringing us awesome statistics at the neighborhood pool watch at http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/

Found this pool neighborhood watch statistics site: http://organofcorti.blogspot.com/

Fun little tidbit: While Slush's pool is the first commercial(?) mining pool, I believe the first case of pooled mining was actually this, by puddinpop.

Reading over that really shows how far mining has come and makes me remember the days when you could pool-hop for additional earnings.

That’s right, I forgot about pool-hopping. I learned the best pools to hop from organofcorti in his critical review of pools thread. I can’t remember the name of the thread, something like neighborhood watch.

That’s not it but that did help me find it, thanks. This is it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=66026.0
485  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: February 03, 2018, 04:14:41 AM
I'll never asked someone to give me some merits, i think it's not the way it is created for, i think it is made for every member to make a constructive and quality posts that if someone read and get some thoughts or knowledge then he or she will give merit. I think merit like respect is earned and not asked to give.

That’s a very astute observation.
486  Other / Meta / Re: TEN CLASSIC Bitcointalk posts. on: February 03, 2018, 12:59:17 AM
Fun little tidbit: While Slush's pool is the first commercial(?) mining pool, I believe the first case of pooled mining was actually this, by puddinpop.

Reading over that really shows how far mining has come and makes me remember the days when you could pool-hop for additional earnings.

That’s right, I forgot about pool-hopping. I learned the best pools to hop from organofcorti in his critical review of pools thread. I can’t remember the name of the thread, something like neighborhood watch.
487  Economy / Digital goods / Re: This is the official Sell Your sMerit Here thread - I'll start with my 200 sM .. on: February 03, 2018, 12:30:19 AM
That thread is a classic dude. I forgot about some of the people posting there. Xenland, Randy Folds, logansryche, Jonathan Ryan Owens, Atlas, greyhawk, deslok - shit some of the people in that thread were master trolls themselves. Ah, the good old days. LOL
488  Economy / Digital goods / Re: This is the official Sell Your sMerit Here thread - I'll start with my 200 sM .. on: February 02, 2018, 11:39:16 PM
Yep, Matt was the most entertaining thing on is forum for a long time. Remember the Christmas Special? I looked around the web recently to see if I could find a copy and it’s nowhere to be found. That friggin guy was hilarious.

I’m CornedBeefHash. There’s still a very few quotes of mine around. This one is mine from the upside down thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49126.msg588036#msg588036


"That was one fucked up thread back in the day. Even BitcoinPorn was in it."

This forum was much more entertaining in 2011. Pinkiepie would cry if she could see what this forum is today. It’s good that she’s dead.

489  Economy / Speculation / Re: The game is getting hilariously apparent... on: February 02, 2018, 07:25:00 PM
You realize that in the above scenario Satoshi’s vision is completely lost and bitcoin is a failed experiment. That scenario goes against the very reason Satoshi invented bitcoin. He intended bitcoin to allow people to send value between each other without the need for a bank in the middle of the transaction. When huge investment firms control bitcoin, bitcoin is the bank.

The idea of digital cash died the moment Satoshi decided on a hard cap. Hoarding and reluctance to spend is inevitable. That's what all humans do and no amount of cajoling will encourage them to give it up.

There might be some usage as currency if it ever becomes 'boring', but to get there it has to get through the speculative phase and become a store of value first. That implies a monstrous price.

Even then if you have USD to spend you're still going to prefer to get rid of that.

Satoshi's original vision may well be fulfilled by another coin, certainly not BCH, but that won't mean Bitcoin failed. It will have morphed into what its initial parameters dictated.

That’s a good point. Even if bitcoin implodes maybe it will lead to something that does fulfill his vision.
A possibility I have been thinking is maybe a bitcoin fork could appear focusing in that aspect, with no limit in the amount of coins and with a fixed 3% per year increase in the money supply? So if the supply of the bitcoin fork is 16.8 million at the beginning of the year 0.5 million coins will be created at the end of the year distributed by dividing that number of coins created and the number of blocks created. So instead of a deflationary currency we will have one with fixed inflation that cannot be manipulated by politicians and unlike fiat the inflation cannot be hidden like they are currently doing.

Governments usually appoint teams of scholars to control the overall economy of a country. These people have advanced degrees in business and economics from well respected universities and still get it wrong often. Without getting into the complexity of monetary policy, simply setting some automatic triggers won’t make a cryptocurrency exchange rate more stable.

You’re right, the coin you describe would probably have a more stable price, at least initially, but it would lose some of the advantages of bitcoin. Having a percentage based adjustable money supply would eventually lead to exponential inflation (the more coins you have the greater the number created by your fixed percentage). Prices rise when currency within a small economy is worth less than it was before. For a fixed amount, your coin would continuously buy fewer products than it could have before. When a currency is worth less, its exchange rate weakens when compared to other currencies. Exponential inflation would eventually make your coin worthless. I don’t believe there is an automatic mechanism that can be implemented in lines of code and left static for decades that can allow any cryptocurrency to be valuable when used as a true currency.
490  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: February 02, 2018, 05:28:12 PM

The best advice I can give you is to always read the whole of the OP of a thread before posting. You'll find out there are two reasons why you are asking in the wrong place. If you have a look around you'll find others that are helping people in your situation.


Thanks, that makes my job easier. I don’t know why anyone is ever comfortable posting in any thread without reading the OP. To me that’s like being a vegetarian and eating processed food without reading the package. Your just going to find out something later that pisses you off. LOL
491  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What will happen to Bitcoin in a World War scenario on: February 02, 2018, 08:29:44 AM
Just thinking, what would be the case in a scenario like

1. North Korea launches a successful nuclear missile to the USA. A war breaks out. Will the Bitcoin be seen as a safe haven?

2. What about if this leads to the World War III? Will the biggest victim be fiat or cryptocurrency?

Just for the hell of it, I’m going to pretend the only thing you have to worry about is your money when the fallout starts raining down.

If your country is one of the combatants you will most likely lose all access to the internet because your country will need to control the flow in information. Former shipping lanes (railroads, highways, waterways) will become military targets and under military control. Because of the control of shipping lanes it’s likely that normal commerce will cease to exist. The means of production will be aimed at military uses and civilians will be given products necessary for population survival by marshall law deliveries.

Under the above WW III scenario, the currently used fiat will be suspended. Military scrip will likely replace any form of currency used to buy anything. Most staple products can only be purchased from government distribution centers. Millions will die from radiation exposure or starvation. Currency between individuals will be anything of value. Things like medicine, gasoline and food will be the new money. Bitcoin will be nonexistent.
492  Other / Off-topic / Re: How Bitcoin Can Change The World? on: February 02, 2018, 07:36:19 AM
How Bitcoin Can Change The World?

The world might be not changed, but there will be a revolution in people’s minds. Bitcoin resembles me internet. Nobody could realize years ago that internet would become a part of our life. BTC and cryptocurrency can be also integrated into our life. Money transaction will become very easy.

The BBS Network (FidoNet), Usenet and the WWW spread like wildfire because of the porn. If we could figure out how to spread free porn using the blockchain bitcoin would resemble the internet.

My favorite Usenet newsgroup in the 80s was alt.binaries.pictures.erotica.fucktheskullofjesus   LOL
493  Economy / Digital goods / Re: This is the official Sell Your sMerit Here thread - I'll start with my 200 sM .. on: February 02, 2018, 07:11:38 AM
Yep, Matt was the most entertaining thing on is forum for a long time. Remember the Christmas Special? I looked around the web recently to see if I could find a copy and it’s nowhere to be found. That friggin guy was hilarious.

I’m CornedBeefHash. There’s still a very few quotes of mine around. This one is mine from the upside down thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=49126.msg588036#msg588036
494  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: February 02, 2018, 12:29:05 AM
Great Initiative. Great to see people being nice to each other. Sad that I missed being in this tech in early years (Many other tech forums treat noobs / less experienced users badly)

Yeah, I’ve noticed that people are willing to say things on forums that they would never say to someone that they’re talking to face-to-face. Thanks for the kind words and you haven’t missed out. This party is just beginning.
495  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: February 02, 2018, 12:25:45 AM
Nice gesture. I hope you don't mind me sharing my story.
I was senior member and I deleted few posts from February 2017.
So my rank dropped to full member.
It happened only few days before this "upgrade" as you can see from my activity. Hah! Crazy!

So...
...you probably have better things to do in your life than researching 10-20 someones posts and I probably have better things in my life than answering someones questions about bitcoin so we will split here...

But before I go, I will leave you most constructive post you will ever find on this forum, as one true bitcoiner should post. Enjoj reading it.
 
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2839091.msg29254222#msg29254222

LOL I’m going to give you one just for making me laugh. Too bad I can’t help you with more. I’m sure you read the OP so you know why.
496  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Stop Selling bitcoin folks on: February 01, 2018, 10:40:46 PM
Shush! That’s how we make money.

497  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't there more women in Bitcoin? on: February 01, 2018, 09:09:30 PM
We just make the mens do all job for us

And men allow that to happen so why shouldn’t you.
498  Other / Off-topic / Re: Merit System Upgrade on: February 01, 2018, 09:03:04 PM

I did pass along some merit to vlom in his thread to help give him a start helping in the alt section: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833111.0 All of the altcoiners that stop in here should think about helping him out.


I have made a jump in vlom's thread only now since I was busy before, but the thread is already closed - it didn't last very much... Any more Legendaries willing to try that again? Smiley

Wow, that’s really sad. vlom’s thread exploded in a nightmare of anti-Semitic craziness and off topic posts. Too bad he didn’t know how to handle it. That’s when you bring in a mod and start blasting people out of the thread. Please do me a favor, send a PM to mprep and ask for help dealing with that issue. As far as I’m concerned, some of the people in that thread need some cool down time away from this forum (banned).
499  Other / Off-topic / Re: Earning Strategy on: February 01, 2018, 07:10:47 PM
You realize if everyone here did what your saying to do there won’t be a here anymore.

These “companies” (and I’m using the term loosely) pay advertising people, like yourself, to increase awareness of their “product” (shell game, racket, hustle, snow job, sham, etc.) with potential buyers (idiots, fools, marks, suckers, etc.). If everyone here is advertising and no one here is buying then how are these “companies” (scammers, conmen, hustlers, crooks, sharks, etc.) supposed to make money and survive?
500  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Japanese company will start paying salaries in Bitcoin on: February 01, 2018, 06:41:02 PM
That’s too funny. This week you’ll be making $900. Next week $200. The week after $1,100 then $300. If they are going to give people the equivalent of their salary in btc, those people may never know if they can pay their monthly bills by the time they cash out to pay them.
That is a logical answer. But may be they are calculating the salaries of their workers in bitcoin for every month and they pay them in bitcoin, just here in this form some signature campaigns are paying to their participant in Dollar, they calculate dollar for bitcoin and then transfer fund in bitcoin. I think that in future when bitcoin will become more stable then it will become more easy for them to pay them their salaries in bitcoin.

Right, see highlight above.
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