So thanks to the extensive research of vadoff, you can see potentially manipulated results from (7mbtc.com) in purple: https://jsfiddle.net/vadoff/r4kp44Lv/1/embedded/result/I can't come up with a good explanation for how this would be happening, and it means their house edge isn't matching what they are advertising. I will update the bustabit.com/license.txt file to reference this post So they are only manipulating winning bets by paying out less than they should? If I were a cheater that owned a site like this, that's what I would do. Players are much less likely to scrutinize a winning bet. Does 7mbit.com have any presence on this forum? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but it looks like they are saying that some games are crashing at very low numbers (which would make most if not all players lose when some of them would have won) when they should be crashing at higher numbers. For example: 27807ebb19abb46b215a159430ec701b1ff062867b9458eef139bb782f4c8536 should have crashed at 1.13 but crashed at 1.10 eb18dca6fa47714a37f95622a760a8a87061b48b80da3c9f5b2c64bd26baf566 should have crashed at 1.43 but crashed at 1.01 d1a0c7681205d1150beb27fa36f0062999d0fbb87fc2e160e43aae30500a35d6 should have crashed at 1.48 but crashed at 1.02 8887f6e956118c1625878bb46d2754c03f3983dd6f11a33d44537e9e8028f9a9 should have crashed at 1.63 but crashed at 1.00 0aea96252b1f5a6b72672a8930006c9d62e4dd67e2a9dc1933797b5629ab231a should have crashed at 1.66 but crashed at 1.01 9f01292ec66a211bd09bdfeb744392b3ccf43d70fd2b8d7c3e1bfb4a20fb097a should have crashed at 1.21 but crashed at 1.08 e97d35503abc8f9480226e6192efaf7780982e0ad04e553858ffef7d085774bb should have crashed at 1.90 but crashed at 1.09 Ahh, that makes sense. I was totally wrong - clearly a Bustabit n00b |
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Hi ktetris, We have agreed with Askgamblers, given their extensive reputation in the industry as a trusted independent 3rd party, to help handle any customer complaints. We will be abiding by their decision given any customer complaints. Why they rejected your claim is unknown to us but they do look at multiple aspects before accepting a complaint. For your information, they have an FAQ to think about before submitting one which can be found here: https://www.askgamblers.com/submit-complaint-p47. Our goal is to keep a fair and safe environment for all of our users which also means providing clear options to resolve complaints as possible. Best regards, Bitcasino.io Hi, Full disclosure, I do not have a ton of information on ktetris' claim. Regardless of ktetris' claim, why are you directing a player to an affiliate site "askgamblers", when you are licensed by a regulatory body? To me, you are discrediting your own licensee ( curacao ) by doing so. Does curacao not have any interest in protecting players that play at site they regulate? What rules are you forced to follow as a business licensed by Curacao? 1) Pay the fee 2)  ?? Who owns askgamblers? What kind of business deal do you have worked out with them? How can we be sure that their "rulings" are unbiased? I'd love to have a conversation with the owners of Bitcasino, the Curacao Regulators as well as AskGamblers.com |
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So thanks to the extensive research of vadoff, you can see potentially manipulated results from (7mbtc.com) in purple: https://jsfiddle.net/vadoff/r4kp44Lv/1/embedded/result/I can't come up with a good explanation for how this would be happening, and it means their house edge isn't matching what they are advertising. I will update the bustabit.com/license.txt file to reference this post So they are only manipulating winning bets by paying out less than they should? If I were a cheater that owned a site like this, that's what I would do. Players are much less likely to scrutinize a winning bet. Does 7mbit.com have any presence on this forum? |
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Just wanted to let you guys know, Betcoins main forum account got banned for spamming earlier this month. I think initially it was only for one week, but perhaps it was extended for some reason. (they've been inactive for more than a week)
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My withdrawal not cancelled just sitting on pending.
Have any of the chat support answered? It may not be any good but I would suggest you PM Natalie here as she had been very helpful to other past issues here. Her username here is Fortunejack Actually we do not need to ask, but she should be here inform about what is happening without need to wait many people asking about the same issue. If she did post prior announcement then there will be no panic from players. Who the fuck are you guys? (bolded) Seriously...wtf? |
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Be warned this has happened 4 times tonight I only have proof of 3 since the first caught me off guard. These hands should be draws but they are loss BETID: 18469923 TIME: 06:19:02 https://ibb.co/k9CVKFEDIT:It happened again a few minutes later but I could not get a screenshot
BETID: 18469971 TIME: 06:26:46
Screen shot not adding up. Why did you block out the user name of the most recent bet, but not the one before that ( your username ) Looks like you bet .075 on two hands (.15 total) , busted one, pushed the second, and got paid .075 - even though the push says lose.
Just looked at the other hands you posted. Seems like you are getting paid correctly despite "lose" being displayed. In all three hands you bet .075 x 2, busted one hand and pushed the other, and got paid .075 for each. |
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We are investigating the OFC hand that appears to have over-raked the pot.
We will make appropriate refunds and fix this bug.
SwC Poker takes this situation very seriously and will do right by our players.
Some very reasonable questions were asked over a week ago. ==> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=962440.msg21431811#msg21431811Sadly this thread is starting to smell like a Betcoin.ag thread. Well over a year ago they over-raked players, then ignored it for months, then made things even worse with a half-ass resolution that they have refused to address ever since. Things have been regularly getting worse ever since. Hope you prove me wrong. |
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Hey Twitchy, are you back now?
Somewhat  I see Betcoin seems to think everyone has forgotten about how messed up their Betsoft Progressives are, they posted this today: |
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TL;DR: SWC reversed their position on providing player HHs to independently verify they refunded players in full and stated there is no appeals process if you find a discrepancy between your HHs and the amount refunded. ------ I have some more questions; some are old ones that were never answered, others are new. 1. Why did you reverse your position on releasing hand histories and are now rejecting appeals?Can you please explain why you reversed your position on distributing hand histories between August 18th and today? It looks like something happened during that time frame that required you to block players from having any recourse or access to data that would prove you're an honest site. If I had to speculate, I'd guess it's because the numbers of chips owed wouldn't match (screenshots below). 2. When did the bug occur the first and second times, and why weren't players informed/refunded the first time?Your players have given you the benefit of the doubt for the last 2 years that you are trustworthy based on your predecessor's good reputation, only to find out from other players that you owed them thousands of dollars that you failed to mention. Only then did you take action, and then with a 5-month delay. Even if this bug was unintentional, I cannot come up with a scenario where an honest site would find a bug that was stealing money off the table, fix it, and not inform/refund players like SWC when they found the bug the first time around. SWC has repeatedly ignored questions about why they swept it under the rug. Please explain how this can be construed as unintentional, because I would like to think that SWC hasn't been flat-out lying by omission. 3. Where and when can players get accurate data regarding their hands?Poker players have no way to determine if a site is trustworthy unless they have HHs. The HHs that your client saves are broken and corrupted and this has not been addressed since the site's inception. As it currently stands, even if players personally saved a complete set of HH files, they cannot determine how much you owe them because the files are corrupted. Even if they could get past the data corruption and can show you specific instances where they have been shorted, it doesn't matter because there are no appeals. I do not know of an honest poker site that would not refund a customer who realized they were shorted and provided proof.4. Why is SWC fading questions and decreasing transparency?Why the utter lack of transparency and accountability about such a serious bug? You were happy to tell us what you spent on the leaderboard promotion, so why is information about how many players were affected and the amount of coin involved treated like a matter of national security? Some players were refunded close to a coin, although I believe it should have been in the multiple coins based on the incomplete data that I've seen. Why should we blindly trust that your refund code isn't buggy or that you didn't do a half-assed job calculating refunds when SWC has an impeccable track record of writing buggy code and doing half-assed jobs months or years behind schedule? You were doing well in the regaining trust department by stating that you would release HHs and a script so that players could perform self-audits. Going back on your promise looks extremely suspect.5. Is SWC really "use at your own risk" now?I have also seen e-mails recently stating that users should play on SWC "at their own risk" until the new client is developed (no ETA of course). Can you explain this in more detail? Does this mean that going forward, if a player loses money because of an SWC bug, you're not refunding them? This raises concerns regarding SWC's ability and desire to spread fair games. I can't play on a site with a "use at your own risk" clause, close to zero communication with players, and who has done their best to obfuscate and minimize the fact that they took tens of thousands of dollars of player funds straight off the table under sketchy circumstances for which they won't provide concrete answers. You say it was an honest mistake and everyone was made whole, and I will believe you when I see the results of the self-audit. I resent SWC for taking a great site with a dedicated community and huge amount of potential and turning it into a raging dumpster fire during the biggest BTC boom to date. Their mismanagement has already alienated the majority of the player base and continues to do so. The only players left are the ones who don't mind being ignored or verbally abused by the staff, getting raked up to 2 chips/hand when BTC is close to $5k (the Venetian is capped at $5), don't mind the lack of meaningful promotions, and who can blindly trust the man-behind-the-curtain management.   Hi people
Because I am bored to read hundred messages can someone please post for me if this platform for poker is legit and trustworthy.
Also, do you know a number of constantly online players?
Thanks a lot
No, I do not consider them legit or trustworthy. How would you feel if you found out from another player that the house had taken thousands of dollars from you for years and only refunded it when other players realized it on their own and called them out in a public forum? Because that's how players at SWC are feeling right now. As a customer who has earned more than 250k krill I find it very untrustworthy that your staff continually goes back on their word, like blowing off players who need hand histories and promising but never delivering on your software deadlines. For over 2.5 years i was very loyal to your site, helped promote your site and arguably paid the most rake of any player on your site. Management has done nothing but drive the site into the ground, while you continued to hide the truth from your players about the over rake bug and did not recognize it until it was brought to public attention in the bitcoin talk thread. Your tournament director has harassed, threatened and doxxed many of your longest rake paying customers. I also do not think that the response that was given about the refund policy was adequate. Your response basically told me to go screw myself. Now it's time for you guys to give a nice public response in the bitcointalk thread that addresses all these problems. I find myself forced to take these issues to a public forum because when I e-mail support they show no intention of addressing my concerns or even replying in a timely manner. Trust me I can tell by the way management runs this site that i have more time and energy to devote to letting players know that this site is run by thieves than you guys have to make things right with the players you have been screwing over for years. So please take a break from counting your bitcoins and take the time to address all the concerns in the bitcoin talk thread. A long time loyal rake paying pissed off customer BrokeNeck Wtf is this true? Any evidence to back up this claim there BrokeNeck? Surely a company with any kind of integrity or common sense would have fired an employee who threatened their own customers. Who is this tourney director? Glitch? (been out of loop for a while) |
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Both of these resolutions would be more responsible than allowing/encouraging the player who claims to have a gambling problem to continue to gamble.
Ok, but this player came to casino, didn't activate bonus, didn't read ToS - which i don't believe(i already stated why) tried to withraw and after all that he said he has gambling problem? Ok, never mind, I have my own opinion on this case - don't blame me for that. I wasn't speaking in general, i was speaking for his case only and what he was trying to pull here. I'm sure the funds would be returned to the player (since that's the most reasonable thing to do) - but if they weren't - they would be donated to a problem gambling organization Maybe to allow players to withdraw only deposited money(player pays fee) before they close account and remaining money(if player win something) to use as donation for a problem gambling organization?
Btw, i talked to support about 5X rule a month ago, so it is not 2 days new rule. I am sure they will do something about the whole thing. All things considered, Fortune Jack telling a player who claimed to have a gambling problem that they had to gamble their deposit 5 times or surrender their funds really isn't that big of a deal. Most of the bullshit they have pulled over the past couple years is much worse. You should do more research, just check out the references in their negative feedback. Really no excuse, other than ignorance I suppose, to justify promoting a site like FJ. |
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TL;DR: SWC reversed their position on providing player HHs to independently verify they refunded players in full and stated there is no appeals process if you find a discrepancy between your HHs and the amount refunded. ------ I have some more questions; some are old ones that were never answered, others are new. 1. Why did you reverse your position on releasing hand histories and are now rejecting appeals?Can you please explain why you reversed your position on distributing hand histories between August 18th and today? It looks like something happened during that time frame that required you to block players from having any recourse or access to data that would prove you're an honest site. If I had to speculate, I'd guess it's because the numbers of chips owed wouldn't match (screenshots below). 2. When did the bug occur the first and second times, and why weren't players informed/refunded the first time?Your players have given you the benefit of the doubt for the last 2 years that you are trustworthy based on your predecessor's good reputation, only to find out from other players that you owed them thousands of dollars that you failed to mention. Only then did you take action, and then with a 5-month delay. Even if this bug was unintentional, I cannot come up with a scenario where an honest site would find a bug that was stealing money off the table, fix it, and not inform/refund players like SWC when they found the bug the first time around. SWC has repeatedly ignored questions about why they swept it under the rug. Please explain how this can be construed as unintentional, because I would like to think that SWC hasn't been flat-out lying by omission. 3. Where and when can players get accurate data regarding their hands?Poker players have no way to determine if a site is trustworthy unless they have HHs. The HHs that your client saves are broken and corrupted and this has not been addressed since the site's inception. As it currently stands, even if players personally saved a complete set of HH files, they cannot determine how much you owe them because the files are corrupted. Even if they could get past the data corruption and can show you specific instances where they have been shorted, it doesn't matter because there are no appeals. I do not know of an honest poker site that would not refund a customer who realized they were shorted and provided proof.4. Why is SWC fading questions and decreasing transparency?Why the utter lack of transparency and accountability about such a serious bug? You were happy to tell us what you spent on the leaderboard promotion, so why is information about how many players were affected and the amount of coin involved treated like a matter of national security? Some players were refunded close to a coin, although I believe it should have been in the multiple coins based on the incomplete data that I've seen. Why should we blindly trust that your refund code isn't buggy or that you didn't do a half-assed job calculating refunds when SWC has an impeccable track record of writing buggy code and doing half-assed jobs months or years behind schedule? You were doing well in the regaining trust department by stating that you would release HHs and a script so that players could perform self-audits. Going back on your promise looks extremely suspect.5. Is SWC really "use at your own risk" now?I have also seen e-mails recently stating that users should play on SWC "at their own risk" until the new client is developed (no ETA of course). Can you explain this in more detail? Does this mean that going forward, if a player loses money because of an SWC bug, you're not refunding them? This raises concerns regarding SWC's ability and desire to spread fair games. I can't play on a site with a "use at your own risk" clause, close to zero communication with players, and who has done their best to obfuscate and minimize the fact that they took tens of thousands of dollars of player funds straight off the table under sketchy circumstances for which they won't provide concrete answers. You say it was an honest mistake and everyone was made whole, and I will believe you when I see the results of the self-audit. I resent SWC for taking a great site with a dedicated community and huge amount of potential and turning it into a raging dumpster fire during the biggest BTC boom to date. Their mismanagement has already alienated the majority of the player base and continues to do so. The only players left are the ones who don't mind being ignored or verbally abused by the staff, getting raked up to 2 chips/hand when BTC is close to $5k (the Venetian is capped at $5), don't mind the lack of meaningful promotions, and who can blindly trust the man-behind-the-curtain management. Hi people
Because I am bored to read hundred messages can someone please post for me if this platform for poker is legit and trustworthy.
Also, do you know a number of constantly online players?
Thanks a lot
No, I do not consider them legit or trustworthy. How would you feel if you found out from another player that the house had taken thousands of dollars from you for years and only refunded it when other players realized it on their own and called them out in a public forum? Because that's how players at SWC are feeling right now. This is super disappointing to see --- would be really great to see a reasonable response to all of marlias' questions. |
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Please, go to pokerstars, largest poker site in the world with 100000 players online and read their ToS and you will see that they have wagering requirement too.. You can't deposit money there and withdraw it without rollover no matter what, after all why would someone deposit money to casino and not gamble? (c/p from pokerstars ToS only funds that have been wagered on your account will become available for withdrawal).
If a pokerstars player requests their account to be closed because of a gambling problem, the account is closed - permanently. No exceptions. I'm sure the funds would be returned to the player (since that's the most reasonable thing to do) - but if they weren't - they would be donated to a problem gambling organization ( like http://www.gamcare.org.uk/ ). Both of these resolutions would be more responsible than allowing/encouraging the player who claims to have a gambling problem to continue to gamble. |
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Xiao is 5 weeks behind on paying rakeback, and is once again locking his thread to keep people from complaining publicly.
I see he hasn't logged into his account in a week now either. Lay down with snakes, you're gonna get bit kids. Affiliate and partner in crime Xiaoxiao defrauded betcoin.ag scam customers! Hello everyone, it's time for me to come out with the truth about the recent "delayed" rakeback situation. This is not easy to do, especially since some of you guys viewed me as a helping hand to resolve issues or expedite support tickets and be an advocate for the players.
The truth is that I have personally mismanaged players' rakeback funds because I have gambled most of it away; I have a gambling problem. I'm sure Betcoin can attest to this by simply looking at my past gambling records on the site, and most of the cashouts I made were to a few other bitcoin gambling sites which I lost. The reason I made up the excuse of "delayed rakeback stats" was to buy time so I can get loans or use continued incoming affiliate funds to try to make back what I needed to cover.
In the past you may have noticed there's been similar "delays," though not as prolonged as this one. Many of which (if not all) were because of my gambling habits in which I lost the funds which I should have set aside to pay out players at the end of the week. However, I was always able to some how come up with it either taking out loans with every credit line that I have, or somehow winning it back via gambling, which is why this program has been afloat for so long amidst my gambling issues.
I hope you all could see that this delay of player rakeback was not the result of any malicious intent. I've always tried to help the players under this program to the best of my abilities, a lot of time intervening with support and helping expedite issues they may be having with the ever enhancing Betcoin platform, or sending early rakeback when players needed it.
Currently I am working with Betcoin and a few possible investors to figure out a way to appease all those that haven't received their due rakeback from this program in the past few months. I have exact records of who is owed what amount.
I apologize and feel incredibly bad for all those that were eagerly awaiting their rakeback, because I've been there before myself. In no way shape or form have I ever intended to "scam" anyone. As you know, I started this program back in 2014, and I always did my best to do whatever I can to make sure my players' get their due rakeback. However this time around I ran out of credit lines and my luck also ran out so I told a bigger lie to buy myself time to figure out a way to come up with player funds. Been away for a while - can't say I'm all that surprised to find out Xiao stole a bunch of money and then disappeared, or that Betcoin responded by screwing them even more. They are still snap deleting most criticism/complaints from their thread. What else have I missed? Props to mods for finally putting their foot down when it comes to spamming same crap over and over in their self modded thread. Edit: Was just going through some of Betcoins posts, found some more evidence supporting my theory that they are run by Betsoft ( scammers ). Hello, everyone and thank you for being a member of our campaign. WE updated the casino recently to add several new providers including Ezugi, GameArt and Endorphina which has been great for our players but in order to receive a casino bonus all players must play a Betsoft game in order to be properly registered. You can login and do that here: https://www.betcoin.ag/casino/slots?provider=betsoftOnce complete, please create a ticket and we can get you taken care of. Thank you! |
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Well it's been just a little over a year since I created this thread. I haven't been active for the past several months, and just spent some time skimming over the drama OGNasty has been involved in recently. I am 0 % surprised by any of it.
I hate to see anyone just "get away with" scummy behavior because it was forgotten. So, I'm making this post to bring attention to it. If anyone is interested, please:
- Read this threads OP.
- Go through OGNasty's reputation and check out any references from Neg trust.
- Ask questions if anything isn't clear. ( This stuff is complicated )
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You stole presumably 10s of thousands of dollars from the community and blew it all on dice. And now will get nothing from your years of collecting accounts. You are not only a scumbag but dumb as fuck also....
Hey look, cmoltisanti and I agree on something. Who would have thought... |
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If anyone wants to run a shitty softswiss casino, just contact softswiss and get your own.
And pay 50.000-100.000$. 6-8 months necessary for obtaining a license and 4-6 months development.  lol All you need to know about satoshigames- How popular is satoshigames.io?Alexa Traffic Ranks Global rank icon 247,197 2,423 Daily Pageviews per Visitor 1.00 Daily Time on Site 1:08
Curacao eGaming
Part of the Netherland Antilles, which is just off the north coast of South America, Curacao has offered licencing to egaming groups since 1996 attracting companies from all over the world due to their very low tax rates.
A large number of casinos that have poor reputations are regulated in Curacao and while there have been signs of improvement in the last year or so, with the move from the Cyberluck name – which took no involvement whatsoever in assisting players with any disputes that involved casinos they regulate – to Curacao eGaming, they are still widely considered by the playing community to be toothless when it comes to ensuring their casinos behave in an ethical fashion.
A little better than a license from Costa Rica – which is the same as being unlicensed for all practical purposes – and not even in the same universe as licenses issues in Gibraltar, the Isle of Man and Alderney.
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GOT PAID AGAIN IN MINUTES
THANX ADMIN FOR YOUR SUPER FAST SUPPORT SERVICE
Admin stopped posting here after it came out that they only process small cashouts, leaving any big winner high and dry. fun-casino = scum-casino |
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Your new casino has been running for at least 8 months and you've def invested in advertising Here's one exampleNow we have 5-10 registrations every day and about 500 unique visitors. Without investment in advertising. Casinos don't make money off unique visitors. What matters is: Total deposits Total cashouts Total current player balances (unrestricted and restricted) |
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Op you should really stop arguing non-sense. If your offer is legit you should show and reveal every detail of your offer so that the people interested could be apprised of what you are truly offering. If your casino has bad reputation, then most likely you will no get any investors. So better show us what you are offering.
We have a new casino with poker room satoshigames.io and we have a good reputation. We held many actions after which there were many satisfied players. Now we have 5-10 registrations every day and about 500 unique visitors. Without investment in advertising. We have many satisfied affiliates who work and receive payments on time Your new casino has been running for at least 8 months and you've def invested in advertising Here's one exampleIf anyone wants to run a shitty softswiss casino, just contact softswiss and get your own. (I'm not actually recommending this, just pointing out it's a much better option than partnering with this scummy russian) |
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