UKash users are limited to UKash because UKash is the most often used amongst scammers because it can be stolen and unloaded easily.

Basically, OP wouldn't know about these issues of scalability and risk because he has 0 customers on his scam site hosted in his kitchen.

Irony.

That is in fact a concern. Some of us think of Bitcoin already as a digital commodity, but to have ANY court decisions related to values of property loss related to Bitcoin will be a dangerous territory to get into because it can set precedence for things we can't easily take back later imo.

No, I don't believe so. It will be treated as a digital commody, just like if someone hacked your account then stole facebook credits. I don't think they need to define it anything further than just "damaged incurred due to the illegal entry" etc. It might be pushed further than that but I doubt it. Disclaimer, I'm not a lawyer.


hehe. Don't worry about me. I am a dog. I chew bones.

Rule #1 of law: States and courtrooms decide damages, not silly internet contracts. Numerous times, big players like eBay and Paypal have had judges call their user contracts "ridiculous and verbose" and had cases lost because of it.

Rule #2 of law: states differ on what is actually allowed in a contract and what is not.

Rule #3 of law: If this contract was supposedly "air tight", then what do you think would happen if their employees openly admitted to having robbed the customer while working there? You think the law would not be able to prosecute them because of the contract? It doesn't mean anything.

And then what happens when there is another sell off in the next 24 hours? Going to ask them 'nicely' again to publish private information? Hell, why not just make a private line to you for all their future deposits too!

Get real. MtGox would need permission from every single user (and the hacker would never give it, would they?) for it to be allowed in any manner that wouldn't breach their very own privacy policy.

Alex, I'm going to say this one last time for your thick skull---- breaching their own Privacy Policy will not win them any friends, especially not to just please -you-, who is the only one on this entire forum stupid enough to think that the coins being sold right now are the same ones as the hacker (for what reason, I don't know).

MtGox are the ones who have to handle it if it happens anyway, so what good is there in telling you?

It's even more likely they never will. People who already had that amount could just be recouping losses of selling their legitimate coins. We're not looking for a poor hacker here, we're looking for someone who already had a lot of coins to begin with. A business maybe. Bitcoinica would be the first person to suspect tbh (although I don't have reason to believe it was Zhou).

You're misguided. We are already helping the 'robbed people' out by asking questions. You are making statements and asking people to break other laws just to make you happy. You're as misguided now as you were when you filed a police report because Zhou Tong didn't answer you quickly enough.

Being honest is important. I am completely honest that Zhou Tong dropped the ball by ignoring our advice to be collocated instead of using the magical cloud he loves so much. I support him and believe since he is covering the costs himself, he has learned his lesson and will move on. He's a bright kid who just needs some polishing.

I am not advocating secrecy, I am advocating common sense. What your asking for doesn't help anyone. What you think is necessary isn't even necessary. Yet, you're not listening to anyone and you can't give a good reason. Why would anyone support you? Start asking questions and giving reasons instead of making demands and statements against things.

Your reputation is not in line with me. You do not work with me. I had held on to you against the recommendation of every-single-participating-party in the Bitcoin Magazine because I didn't believe it was fair to judge you on a single instance of irresponsible behavior (regardless of how large and idiotic it was) for filing a worthless police report against Zhou and bragging about it on the forums. Today however, before this thread was started, I removed you from the magazine completely for continuing to be over-the-top, ignoring facts, and just pushing pushing pushing, like a wannabe cop with no jurisdiction.

Slush and ZhouTong are both in the DCAO with me. Gavin might be too. Other Bitcoiners do business with me. The robber might too (who knows!). I am not on anyones side. I am on the side of common sense, as always. You are not making any sense. Your demands, even if provided, would help no one and hurt people in the process. Your continued denial of this shows your ignorance, your continued lack of self explanation and clarification shows your stubbornness and your continued self important vagaries about how you're going to help when people who are actually helping right now don't even need what you're asking for shows me that you're so out of the loop you should just be ignored.

Why am I responding to you then? Because it's in my nature to care, as obnoxious and vicious as I come across, it is in my nature to never ignore people who need a good punch in the face. I would do it to you, I would do it to my own father. Humans are humans and we all need a good check once in a while. This is your check.

Trust the powers that be or stop supporting them. You are not a shareholder of MtGox. You are not a recognized legal official. You are not representing anyone right now. If you are curious and want to "do your part", then start asking questions and stop asking people to do things for you like you are an all-knowing investigator, ready to file your weekly police reports!

Trust me, I am. You just don't realize it yet.

Yea well, I don't work for them so I don't really care what they do-- our immediate issue is Zhou getting his money back. Second issue is catching the thief. If Linode lies to their insurance company in order to survive the losses, what does anyone here care? I wouldn't recommend doing it, and I've never even filed insurance on so much as a car wreck before, always just eat the losses myself.

You're talking too much about how Linode should be honest, and not enough about punishing the messenger. Do you know anything about laws in the US? Do you know that their bad employee reflects them 100%? If you like Linode and want them to succeed, would you want this to shut them down because of their choice to hire a thief?

You're not thinking this the whole way through because you're stuck in a moral haze. Be sensible.

Also, no I am not advocating that they get special treatment. I have no dog in the fight personally, I just telling you what I believe they are doing. I'm not saying it's right. If you look at my posts on this forum, you'll know that I play devil's advocate most of the time.

It's not always about money. Sometimes it's just about staying in business. Your discounting an awful lot of things with your statements.

Tom Williams was at least intelligent.

CoinExchanger is an emotionally immature douchenozzle.

Then let's see proof you aren't doing the same thing. Until you provide proof otherwise, we will assume you are both 17 and holding your wallets all in unencrypted non-password protected folders on a free-hosting site.

Oh yes. Inspire confidence in their company name by fullfilling the demands of a lunatic on the forum and breaking their company-wide privacy policy in order to do so. Did you forget a pill this morning?



Neither is your involvement. None of your involvement is necessary either! MtGox is already doing this on their own I'm sure. Why do they need to break their own Privacy Policy and lose support from their members just so you can be satisfied?


Probably not, but none of us need to know the addresses that go through MtGox. Only MtGox needs to know. All we need to know is what MtGox is going to do about it if they find one, and that is up to them to tell us, since we agree to the user agreement when we make our accounts and we support them as a community by giving them our business.

Since MtGox already stated publicly that the coins were not the same ones, it's very clear he's just out to cause trouble.

1) CoinExchanger is not registered as a business, much less an exchange.
2) CoinExchanger is not AML compliant and is in direct violation of FinCEN rulings.
3) CoinExchanger's owner has publicly stated that he thinks bitcoin is worthless and is monopoly money.
4) CoinExchange's threads always make ridiculous claims, just like this one "We just received a 20k BTC deposit!" yet never any proof of those claims.
5) He says he owns a restaurant in New York city, except when Charlie Shrem of BitInstant (also a native New Yorker) offered to pay him a visit, he froze up and completely stopped responding to all his scammy threads.
6) He has the same IP as "Maria" who is a Forex spammer.
7) He claims he owns the restaurant, has millions of dollars, and much business experience but can't provide a single bit of proof for anything he says.
He is a scammer. He promised to give me BTC for joining his exchange but when I tried to use the code he gave me, it said the code was invalid, and upon inquiry of why that was, he ignored me.

Paraipan, I know you are just anxious to sink your teeth into lawbreakers and such, so why don't you stop bothering the adults who are working on this in a mature and educated manner and start looking into Mr. CoinExchanger who publicly states that he is running a completely unlicensed exchange and is PROUD of it, calling bitcoin 'worthless, even worth less than monopoly money"?

He's also tied to the scammer account "Maria" (same IP) and here is his latest self promotional thread with a misleading title claiming he has 20,000BTC deposited by someone but absolutely no mention of it in his actual post.

Sick 'em, boy!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=67044

Yes! What did we expect! Surely your exchange (which has absolutely no customers) is better! Besides the huge fees, lack of transparency, total lack of legal registration, insistence that Bitcoin is fake money (which is your poorman's excuse for why you don't need registration-- ignorance is no excuse for breaking the law, idiot) of course.

How are you and Maria doing? Do you guys talk anymore? You both have the same IP address so I just assume she must be your cleaning lady since you also claim to be a millionaire who owns his own restaurant. What was that address again? I'll be in New York for the next few days. I'd love to come take some photos so that FinCEN knows more about you before you close you down for money laundering. Your 6 month grace period for registering with the US Federal Government for money exchange is almost up amigo.

You're confused. When you log in to your MtGox account and get a fresh new deposit address attached to your account only, no, that is not public. It never will be public unless you make it public. MtGox has no duty or right to release that information, as it would tie MtGox customers to addresses. Even if they gave the information out without telling you who owned the address, it would still be releasing customer information, to a forum user who likes calling the cops whenever there is something he doesn't like.

If MtGox is the one who has to make the decision on selling/buying, why not leave it up to them in the first place? What possible good would come to them for giving you a list of private addresses? That is a basic law of security. If someone doesn't need it, don't give it to them.

When the first issue of Bitcoin Magazine gets published, is this thread going to start filling up quickly with every article we have? 

Or better yet, something may have been -forced-.

Ever think that ZhouTong, slush and Gavin are in cahoots and merely hacked Linode themselves and stole their own coins (which is why he has the backing to pay back so quickly) and just used this to push along what he feels to be a better solution for the BIP 16?

Politics never die, Bitcoin can't solve that human problem.

Ironic that I'm an idea guy who always has his mouth open.  

This has happened to me quite a few times in the US court system where knowledge of how to twist laws is what decides your right more than a moral judge. Spirit of the law is seldom used outside of TV courtrooms, especially when $200k is at stake.

lol

I think all the sane people here agree with you. That said, they most certainly do have insurance and if data stolen from their centers was due to a hacker who was able to gain entry through their own private employee-only gateways and not even remotely related to the security of their customer's applications, that is a pretty clear cut case for responsibility, even if the insurance doesn't cover it.

Some members of the DCAO have already advised the Bitcoin Magazine to take the defensive on this one, but I think it's a non-issue. What'd be a better use of our expensive pages is outlining how Linode dropped the ball and finding out if it was an internal job (employee, not evil anti-bitcoin CEO).

P.S. Did you change your name? I always thought your name was "Jared". I also always thought Mark's last name was "Karples".


http://dcao.org

Find the post where I said any addresses were public. What I said was that any public information is of course public. I highly doubt the personal deposit addresses given to MtGox users are public unless those users want to make them public (which means they are using mtGox as their e-wallet). This information would most certainly break MtGox's privacy policy for users and it will not happen. Sorry.