kinda lost on the above..what I meant was will the BM 1485 now be used in ASIC BTC MINERS as a more advanced asic chip or is the BM 1485
scypt specific asic (assuming that bm 1385 in now btc miners is equiv asic chip that can do above)
The BM 1485 is Scrypt specific. The ONLY company that ever made chips that could do both Scrypt and SHA256 was Gridseed (SFards was the merger of GridSeed and WiBox). Their first chip (the GC3355) persisted in Scrypt for a long time due to very little competition and to Scrypt being a more complicated algorytmn that could not be sped up as much by semiconductor process improvements as SHA256 could. They VERY quickly became obsolete in SHA256 usage because they were surpassed very quickly by a LOT - the second chip they did was already behind the SHA256 curve when they released it. That second chip never made an impact in Scrypt because the MINER it was sold in was total junk design at the board level and badly overpriced, and appears to have only had one batch ever manufactured for sale. I suspect there are no L3's posted to the Bitmain US site because they've already sold out on the ones they made from their first batch of chips, and they're in "have to wait" mode for the second batch of chips. Litecoin difficulty has been VERY flat the last couple weeks indicating very few if any new machines being sold to ANYONE. You could very well be correct. Bitmain fills up its own data halls first and the big data halls in china etc...to test the waters.....then blamo the L4 will be huge, bigger, badder pop that after this big L3 difficulty wave crashes over.... Anyway if I ran an 'evil asic empire' how I'd do it ...me first ...dribble out rest left over.... Well if their are 'plateau's' due to them putting them out in 'stages' to keep difficulty manageable for their own farms....that would be great..maybe my 'zombie' knc Titans could lurch ..zombie like ...past July 2017 (dare to dream)  |
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Ok so their btc machines use BM 1385 chips and the ltc L3 scrypt BM 1485.
So same chips eventually used in both btc and ltc units.
No, those are different chips - they may have similar interface though, like the Innosilicon A1 and A2 did. Bitmain designs it's own chips, but uses TSMC (IIRC) to manufacture them. There are only 2 companies in the world with fabs that can do the actual manufacture of 14nm/16nm node semiconductors. TSMC and GlobalFounderies. (Intel MIGHT be a third, but if so ALL of their capasity is used internally). Due to the agreements involved in how GlobalFounderies came to exist, a large part of their capasity is "spoken for" by AMD and IBM. TSMC seems to have some sort of a co-development agreement with Samsung that causes some of their capasity to be "spoken for". Both make and sell to everyone else out of what is "left over". kinda lost on the above..what I meant was will the BM 1485 now be used in ASIC BTC MINERS as a more advanced asic chip or is the BM 1485 scypt specific asic (assuming that bm 1385 in now btc miners is equiv asic chip that can do above) And the labs above they make these chips (regardless of my question above) for Bitmain specific? I think I have that part right. Anyway just was curious if the BM 1485 in the LTC machines is the superior to the BM 1385 in the BTC machines and thus you would see the BM 1485 (if by number) the more advanced pop up in the BTC miners too eventually as the next step up....ie asic chips able to be designed to be used in either BTC miners or LTC miners thanks 2 more batches of the S9 posted today... STILL NO L3's listed yet. Quite strange. The S9 batches won't ship until 1 March time frame.  Not strange if Bitmain is gonna put them out in stages and mine the hell out of them in their data halls first...just saying ....dribbling them out to keep the difficulty low (I mean why P*ss in your own pool ..difficulty rise wise) Hope it so ...my 'terminal knc titans' would be able to 'zombie along' a bit longer  |
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OP said:
Processor Type:BM1485
Cant be A4 chips as these run 400W compared to 1050W for the A4...
Ok so their btc machines use BM 1385 chips and the ltc L3 scrypt BM 1485. So same chips eventually used in both btc and ltc units. Just the guts different as they decide the design of either/or? Currently I assume BM 1485 is top chip option if above is so? Also does Bitmain make these chips also or farms them out? |
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Bitmain flooding out L3 units might not be as big an issue as folks think - they appear to be having the same "can't get enough chips on a regular basis" issue that they have had all along on the S9.
I do wonder though if Innosilicon is working on a "second gen 14/16nm" chip design.
I hope so...my knc titan's are dead man walking then if not..........whatever keeps the 'hangman' away. By the By WHAT CHIPS ARE USED IN THE Bitmain L3 250mh 400 watt scrypt miner? are they the same as in the Innsilicon A4 miner? Curious. IF not type/brand/etc |
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Just curious are miners actually voting in quantity?
So far, 81 users have voted. It's not a lot, but keep in mind that many miners do not check their account very often. Is there gonna be a poll type bar chart or something to show results of your voting asking? Curious what results would be your pool specific |
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Ok I have run into a wall and need some help:
I got a Titan controller in from a guy in England, he bought the controller and cubes, and apparently the Pi was making "fizzing" sounds and the controller/cubes didn't work. Review here found the FPGA blown and the TPS power chip literally *fused* to the board. Likewise his bridgeboard is blown out as well, looks like the crystal is bad.
Since we do not know what the crystal is for these (and I have tried half a dozen different possibilities) I need to find a bridgeboard for this guy. If you have one that shorted out, I can fix it for him and sell him my spare board for the cost of a normal repair. However without a bridgeboard he's up a creek.
Anyone have a dead one that they replaced with a Qberty 1.0 board? I'll do a free repair for one because I want to help this miner out.
C
still trying to get you one blown bridgeboard it is coming from a buddy..but he found like 3 cubes he wants to add etc etc.....but thay are coming I keep plugging away at getting them to you. (also only way my qberty bridge boards can ever be fixed is the slim chance a knc crystal will tell you something) then again with LTC difficulty surging like 34% or some such in the last month..not exactly sure why I am bothering with this dang bitmain L3's anybody else I could ease these knc titan's out into a 'soft landing' but bitmain is too damn big..they are gonna pop them puppies out like well......puppies Hell at this rate I'm out in march 2017...well they ROI'd and it has been 2years 3 months by march... then ....I should not complain.....(but 'my precious' ack!) |
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Believe it or not people are still suing and winning. http://fightalpha.netYou can raise a dispute with Paypal. If enough people do it they may do something about it.
Been tried way back when in 2014. paypal and amex 45 day limit on such. Also 30 days after that in dispute. How I lost my first dispute. Got it thru my 2nd dispute with Amex (paypal told me to go away) in that Alpha neglected to say 1) it was a pre-order never arrived 2) I only paid partial payment for something that never arrived 3) Alpha said I paid in full Thus got lucky....others tried after me, I got an extension after the 45 days and 30 days by keeping the dispute process alive....that and the fact 'thou shall not try to pull a fast one on Amex' others that have asked UK about this was told, no one was to be found. I also heard they have bankruptcy protection. Thus they are just pumping this crap to keep out of jail I still think.... Kinda wish they did get a product out to those who ordered..that means my odds of being Natalie Portman's love puppet would still have a shot is great! Did see this though, not sure if it's still current? "Yes, many people have started a claim. Be sure to call paypal if you paid that way.. that's super important.. they're keeping a list and if you're on it you'll get a full refund if they prosecute Alpha." Good to know...but I think it has been around for awhile..unsure what progress if any they have made. Good luck. I'll pass the link around to any who ask yet. |
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You can raise a dispute with Paypal. If enough people do it they may do something about it.
Been tried way back when in 2014. paypal and amex 45 day limit on such. Also 30 days after that in dispute. How I lost my first dispute. Got it thru my 2nd dispute with Amex (paypal told me to go away) in that Alpha neglected to say 1) it was a pre-order never arrived 2) I only paid partial payment for something that never arrived 3) Alpha said I paid in full Thus got lucky....others tried after me, I got an extension after the 45 days and 30 days by keeping the dispute process alive....that and the fact 'thou shall not try to pull a fast one on Amex' others that have asked UK about this was told, no one was to be found. I also heard they have bankruptcy protection. Thus they are just pumping this crap to keep out of jail I still think.... Kinda wish they did get a product out to those who ordered..that means my odds of being Natalie Portman's love puppet would still have a shot |
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It is the first time in two years that I really have no idea what to do. The price should go down the next 1-2 months. Looking the 1w chart, or the order books, the result is the same: down. But it seems that the game is changing a lot with the new chinese exchange "self regulations". And there is still a lot of buying pressure I don't know why. Maybe the halving effekt, or a lot of new bitcoiners, or that margin trading (=shorting bitcoin) largely has been killed. So, I'm 90% long, but I want to short. But I don't want to lose my precious bitcoins, cuz I think, that maybe it'll go up! AAAAA  Bitcoin loves 'sideways price' we could be back to that again with the low volume......can you imagine the pump if all the different flavors of bitcoin devs got together with a hybrid 2mb block/seq witness comprise of some such (ack! gave my self a little btc woody just thinking about it!) |
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That would be me. I've got two of those Rosewills - the review unit will be pushing a 6 card rig as soon as I figure out what I'm doing for a motherboard.
Seasonic has been 18 AWG on all cables for a while now. I'm trying to gently prod them into upgrading those PCIe cables. They're amazing PSUs, but not what I run in the dedicated mining rigs because they're not really intended or built for it. That said, I have a Prime Titanium 750W running the office rig, and it does mine. It uses two single connector cables to push one downvolted 290X to get around the wire gauge issues. I've also got a Seasonic 1050W mining a three card machine temporarily until I un-lazy myself and get that Rosewill in there. Again, using as many connections between the PSU and GPUs as possible.
I actually can't remember the last time I saw peripheral cables bigger than 18 AWG, actually. Even my Super Flower 1600s use 18. That said, I usually run two risers per cable and have never had an issue provided I use them with cards that don't take a lot of slot power. For cards that do pull a lot from the slot, I get the risers with actual PCIe power connectors on them. You don't want to pull 90W out of one Molex for 24/7 use.
Corsair 1200i 1200w psu's are 16awg...but have had 3 of the pci-e cables to y adapter titan cubes (2 cables per cube) go over the last year too boot anyway....still running 2 partially working titan cubes with Y adapters on a Seasonic 660w psu ..(4 cables) 18awg ...it seems ok the last 1/2 year ..still watching....(need 2 more of those server psu's with 15 awg wire and 2560 watts to replace yet) Anyway I live for danger! (thou working hard at getting the replacement server psu's up asap before I get bit in the ass again) Always best to hum the below song when working on evil knc titan machines or any PSU's that burn out cables in any manner! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG-VChTYfOkI was running a Corsair 1200i and an EVGA 1200 P2 with the y adapters on my titan. I have a first batch titan. all dies still good and i'm running original 2.0 version software. Two cubes on each power supply. about 6 months ago, The titan would just power off. I had the corsair as the primary and the evga as the secondary. this happened a couple times, it would run fine for a day, i'd come home from work and it be shut off. So i made the evga the primary and the corsair the secondary. Just the cubes connected to the corsair would shut off. I'm thinking my power supply is going bad. I swap it out with another evga 1200 p2 i had on my spare parts shelf and it's been fine since. a couple months ago, i'm reconfiguring a few miners, and i'm pulling spare cables from power supplies, and one of the pcie cables from the corsair is stuck... it was burnt and crispy in the socket. I've had that happen with my previous 3 corsair 1200i's as well..probably 4 ports (toasty) had to kinda clean around them and replace pci-e but they still work lucky or better port design on the corsair 1200i (likely the 16awg wire allows the y adapter to blow first) anyway the server psu stuff fixed that ..at 15 awg wire on those you don't need the y adapter ....been a year they don't even get hot anymore...need to more to get up not sure if worth it thou...my knc titans are probably dead man walking with L3's out...I had 1 corsair go out after a year they sent me a new one after I sent in the old one with cables no issue there. So workable with titans..if barely (of course Titans were overclocked 2x past their design..orig supposed to be 250mh miner..then late so y adapter kludge 300mh miner...then too many needed to be RMA by not reaching their 300mh advertised rate...overclock again to the 300m to make up for bad dies etc.........evil knc was evil indeed.... |
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Searing, dont worry, heres what most likely will happen:
Price of LTC vs BTC will continue to drop, like it has consistently for over a year or so.
People w/ new ASICs will continue to dump .. dropping the price even faster.
Difficulty will rise substantially.
Hopefully diff will rise fast enough that Bitmain never ROI's(because people hopefully stop buying) on their creation of a Scrypt ASIC(all god damn crypto ASIC manufactures should just die already.)
Titans and other old equip will be dumped.
Diff will peak then start to come back down due to LTC price being so low, Im thinking by the time all the above happens probably we be at .002btc
Miners who bought new ASICs relearn the hard lesson again that buying new ASICs at full price(usually only option).... often enough, results in really never ROI'ing
Year or 2 later....
New hardware is announced and the vicious cycle starts again ... oh and theres the reward halving =P
Its quite a stupid race really. The trick is getting in at a very advantageous point and then getting out soon as that advantage is gone.
For me, Titan will probably be the last ASIC I ever own ... then sadly this hobby will be dead for me ... which really fucking sucks =(
I agree Titan is 'dead man walking' IF the price were to pump and IF Bitmain was to have gaps to mine their data halls (like say between L3 and L4) the usual rinse/wash/repeat they do ...Bitmain data hall first...big data halls in china 2nd ....Chinese folk next..then we hear about this a month after that in the rest of the world. But at this price it is about PRICE...my only hope to extend my knc titan's demise to what they have always longed for ..ie bricking themselves into doorstops' would be a combo of that gap between l3,l4,l5 that game bitmain plays and LTC price goes back to above 0.005 ltc to btc (I wish 0.008 ltc to btc) Unless that happens above the L3 won't even ROI imho ...another Bitmain version say an L4 will come out before and plow right past them too with out some kinda combo of the above..my titans won't make space heaters for next winter (hey its an option to save 1200 a year in heat) IF IT REALLY IS Toaster city and bitmain just floods them out...then the L3 imho will be in the same postion as a knc titan by nov/dec this year imho killed by the next L4 or whatever pumping out at that point of time. So being a dead (or soon to be) zombie knc titan miner with ROI meant...all the above is out of my control..at least at my 11c (winter) and 13c (summer) ave electric price between data hall stuff and home.... Any Large whales out there in 3-4c kwh land that wants a good deal on space heaters. I hear it can get 'chilly' in Oregon...use the Titans keep all your new L3's toasty But hell I got my first miner in nov 2014 and all other equip ROI'd a while back ....not to mention the knc liguidation stuff has all ROI'd from last summer to boot...so as of when the titans came out in nov 2014 that is maybe I can stretch it out to 2 1/2 years....I mean how lucky can a smuck be .....that was ridiculous... probably best I just mine like hell till they all croak..and use the cubes for 'doorstops', 'bookends' 'paperweights' 'rowboat anchors' 'kitty litter box' use near an open WI FI and a lake as 'ice fishing house space heaters' see endless possibilities But gonna hold off on the L3 ...I think they are testing the waters.....after this coming difficulty wave washes most of us away .they will bring out the big guns in a beefed up L4 imho in the fall......hey its what Bitmain does....any body else did scrypt we could have a shot at riding it out..but bitmain is just too damn big If I'm wrong about the L3 I have BTC .....If I'm right about the L3 not being where to jump in (if any miner ever again is) I have coin.... We also serve who 'grovel and hide' hoarding ........ So I'm waiting the 'pucker' factor on jumping in on an L3 at a 14 month roi on the hope of a price pump is just way to high at my 10c kwh rate (winter) and 13c kwh rate (summer) I salute those getting an L3...I'll be the guy cowering in the corner with popcorn watching...with the knc titan terminal illness .... (off to cry now) |
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And since when does Iowa have data halls? The main reason I moved OUT of Iowa was the expensive(ish) electric.
ColoHub is located in Iowa. They are offering hosting right now at $55 per KW per month. This is where I have my farm, and lucky for me its 2 miles from my house. Here is their Miner Hosting/Data Center Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1709887.msg17132668#msg17132668I have my stuff with maxumark there as well. No problems at all. Recommend. A+++++++++++++++ Searing |
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Now it's Brexit's fault our miners were not delivered years ago....or something Greetings Miners!
Company Update
yada yada yada
fluff fluff fluff
Best Regards,
Alpha Technology Team they're going to say that they finally have a 250Mhz miner and it only consumes 400 watts... you just need to pay $3000 for it. and they'll send us an L3 ..  I don't see a plug for more money. (maybe on their main page) the only reason imho you are seeing this dribble still coming out is that they are trying to keep the law at bay and not go to jail. They always have said projected shipping etc..thus they play this game you will get your alpha miner when you get it (2040 maybe?) Kinda a lame attempt to keep out of jail imho. I thought also they went bankrupt thus protected and can say they are 'reshuffling' to get such out. Without knowing if they are trying to sell or not a pre-order product (will have to look at their evil main page again) again the only reason I can see them doing this stuff..is to keep the law at bay. no one is foolish enough that they will ever get a product out..I mean it has been 3 years since they first announced it Feb 2014 I think it was. what a farce.....off to look at page and see if above is true (not selling anything) or trying to do both..keep law at bay and selling stuff well nothing different on the www page still out of stock.. again the only angle I can see is this keeps the law away link to those who want to see these scammers https://alpha-t.net/big whoop 50mh scrypt miners. You can get used GAW miners at 40mh for 50 bucks and shipping on eBay. This just has to be to keep them out of jail. No one is that deluded without a reason. (then again it is easy to tweak the above webpage for 'imaginary products' in a pre-order format and 'no returns' ....we will see Glad I got my amex refund (2nd dispute..I lost the first one) because they claimed I paid in full (summer of 2014?) Amex is not amused on pre-orders paid in full with only 1/3 down and you lie like alpha did and say it was for the full amount. Got paid back the same day. Only time I heard an Amex person ...almost swear..they were motivated and pissed off...I think they really live for going after scammers..fun times at the amex desk. Anyway hope others on here pulled off the same and the dibble above is just that dribble with no consequences. |
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Hmm well I've started reading the arguments of the Bitcoin Unlimited project, and they are simple and concise. As painful as it is, I may start running their software. I feel it's the only way I can send the message to the core devs to increase the blocksize. I just spent 2 days trying to unf*ck a transaction sent during the latest transaction spam attack...
I thought I remember the core devs saying at one point that a blocksize increase was imminent, but maybe they only meant with Segwit?
I don't think it's fair to say that people are blocking Segwit, only 25% have adopted it!
yeah how I'm seeing it....(eyeing bitseed v2 node in the basement ...blinking at me as we speak..yeah you heard right 'gender change to BU...blinking increases....) |
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That would be me. I've got two of those Rosewills - the review unit will be pushing a 6 card rig as soon as I figure out what I'm doing for a motherboard.
Seasonic has been 18 AWG on all cables for a while now. I'm trying to gently prod them into upgrading those PCIe cables. They're amazing PSUs, but not what I run in the dedicated mining rigs because they're not really intended or built for it. That said, I have a Prime Titanium 750W running the office rig, and it does mine. It uses two single connector cables to push one downvolted 290X to get around the wire gauge issues. I've also got a Seasonic 1050W mining a three card machine temporarily until I un-lazy myself and get that Rosewill in there. Again, using as many connections between the PSU and GPUs as possible.
I actually can't remember the last time I saw peripheral cables bigger than 18 AWG, actually. Even my Super Flower 1600s use 18. That said, I usually run two risers per cable and have never had an issue provided I use them with cards that don't take a lot of slot power. For cards that do pull a lot from the slot, I get the risers with actual PCIe power connectors on them. You don't want to pull 90W out of one Molex for 24/7 use.
Corsair 1200i 1200w psu's are 16awg...but have had 3 of the pci-e cables to y adapter titan cubes (2 cables per cube) go over the last year too boot anyway....still running 2 partially working titan cubes with Y adapters on a Seasonic 660w psu ..(4 cables) 18awg ...it seems ok the last 1/2 year ..still watching....(need 2 more of those server psu's with 15 awg wire and 2560 watts to replace yet) Anyway I live for danger! (thou working hard at getting the replacement server psu's up asap before I get bit in the ass again) Always best to hum the below song when working on evil knc titan machines or any PSU's that burn out cables in any manner! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG-VChTYfOk |
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Just a quick update. I have been mining on Nicehash for a few days and the L3 works well on Nicehash. No problems. Hashes very close to the rated hash rate. No issues to report.
Only thing I have noticed with the L3's is that every once in a while one of them will restart. Has not happened but once or twice. No issues, restarted normally, and is working fine. So I don't know the reason for the restart. But thought I would mention it.
So far the L3 works like it should. Very happy with them so far.
With tarky Titan firmware 3rd party for KNC Titans they restart all the time tweaking stuff and/or bringing back a slow die etc. could be the same usefulness on your firmware |
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Bitmain will run these miners out in versions of L3,L4.L5 etc like they do their BTC miners...till they hit around a 3c kwh rate or less to make money good for data hall
bitmain runs not so workable for the rest of us......that bitmain can take over much of scrypt mining seems off to a good start data hall and equipment wise ..I mean really 250mh for
400 watts...gonna be tough for others to jump in imho
and rest in data hall in Iowa (6 titans)....the 4 in the
It's not that they'd stop making them when ROI hits the 3c/kwh electric level - it's that folks stop buying them when they can't make any money on them. And since when does Iowa have data halls? The main reason I moved OUT of Iowa was the expensive(ish) electric. Well ya missed one. Looks like the inside of a tom cruse MI movie 😲 Also Dec 24th to Jan 24th a 32% difficulty jump in ltc hashrate FML 1874gh to 2758gh |
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Mine a Seasonic Prime 750 Plantium also popped...
Interesting fact the reseller said that the units have been all removed from market for no reason given.
He just payed back the money..no new units available atm. something must be gone completely wrong at Seasonic.
Very simple they insist on using 18 gauge wire. I have melted 4 or 5 jacks on seasonic psus. It is not about overloading as I melted the pcie jacks pulling 190 watts. I don't use seasonic for mining anymore. I like evga p2. Rosewill quark is good. Some corsair are good. I have two prime titanium psu a 750 and a 850. Same but the psu still runs fine. Original 2013 Jupiter psu was lazy ran with KNC y adapter And ran fine 1.5 years. Blew out 2nd y adapter at the last and decided to finally check the Connections at the psu end. All kind melted lol. Got 4 out of 6 ports back and ordered pcie cables seasonic (FYI such are less then 8 bucks each at seasonic so got 4. So will use it on a regular desktop build. You maybe can do that, they are not too bad and can be 'buffed up/cleaned out some. Now use server dual psu's with dual backplate protection 15 awg wire direct plug to Titans. No issues now |
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It looks likely LTC will incorporate seg witness first. That will be interesting indeed.
what would you like to see interesting? Except of speculation about exchange rates, there will be nothing "interesting" there. In my opinion, Litecoin's Segwit adoption could be indeed "interesting" for Bitcoin. If successful, it could show to Bitcoin miners that the soft fork is not so risky or "complicated" than some of them may fear. Also, as I understand there are miner groups involved in LTC and BTC mining that could try Segwit first with LTC where they hold less stake and then in case of success enable it in BTC too. For this reasons, I expect Segwit adoption among Bitcoin miners (and probably also among normal nodes) to go up in case the LTC softfork happens without problems. It may not be enough to reach 95% inmediately but it could help pave the way to there. Well...I hate to say this..but what happens if it just 'bottlenecks' here now w/o seq witness happening and/or bitcoin core standing firm on no hard fork block chain increase.... looking kinda dire..hell, I'd like to at least here that the various groups were 'AT LEAST' getting together in some forum/chat or something trying to work thru this. But seems to me likely, nothing of note is being talked about with these guys about the 'elephant in the room' At least at this time imho. Befuddling. |
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Got a bitmixer.io sig campaign payment of 5 bucks or so....(they probably sent it with no fee lol) It has been 2 days unconfirmed...this could be a long wait lol You're a legendary member and don't even bother to check the standard transaction details? Hmm... It has in fact a fee included, namely 0.0001BTC. I have submitted your transaction to the pool ViaBTC in order to speed up the confirmation of your transaction before the transaction drops entirely. It's of course no guarantee that it will get confirmed any time soon due to ViaBTC only having just over 6% of the total network power. ViaBTC is your only chance of getting your transaction confirmed. For everyone else wondering ; https://www.viabtc.com/tools/txaccelerator/I stand corrected. I would have been just fine if you would have done the transaction with NO FEE. It is not acceptable that even with NO fee it has taken this long. My view was more about the process then actually any blame, if you took at as so I apologize. As to the point I obviously blew..trying to say....wtf is going on where it takes 2 day for ANY transaction to happen. IF according to some this is because of the block size situation..then something better move or we will see more of this kinda thing. Also is it really a spam attack or is it just finally come home to roost? Again, from my post .it was just weird you can't with a fee or without a fee get a 5 buck transaction thru. I mean hell you certainly can't buy anything on www.newegg.comin that they have only (or did) a 1 hour turn around time when I did it fall of 2016. So confused/befuddled and generally concerned ..especially if you guys feel it is somewhat due to the block size debate and the various btc dev groups talking over each other. anyway pm apology sent. (Crow it tastes like Chicken!) |
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