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501  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Your thoughts on Facebook's GlobalCoin on: October 23, 2019, 08:27:37 PM
Here is the BBC's report on Zukerberg's testimony before Congress:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50152062

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Maxine Waters, the Democratic chairwoman of the panel, pointed out that the social network was the subject of an antitrust investigation.

She said it would be "beneficial for all if Facebook concentrates on addressing its many existing deficiencies and failures before proceeding any further on the Libra project".

I don't think they're going to get the regulatory green light any time soon.
502  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is going down...now at $7,654.85 on: October 23, 2019, 07:26:52 PM
Very interesting article from Pro Hashing about the situation in the cryptocurrency world:

https://forums.prohashing.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6695

This bit about mining was very concerning:

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Miners continue to declare bankruptcy and leave the industry, and IPOs and fundraising for new ventures have been put on hold. Prohashing's daily revenue declined from $260,000 on February 13, 2018 to $11,250 in early October (it should be noted that some of this revenue was mistakenly paid as a result of bugs that are no longer present as the system has become more stable, so the actual reduction in profit is not proportional to the decline.) Litecoinpool.org's hashrate declined from 100TH/s to around 22TH/s today. We recently contracted a person to write a report whose job is to sell miners to large firms, and he said that almost all of his business today results from liquidations.

It's possible that today's flash crash was caused by someone liquidating all their coins in order to pay bills before they exit the industry.
503  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is going down...now at $7,654.85 on: October 23, 2019, 07:00:43 PM


Yeah, it always amazes me how a market with a supposed 19 billion a day volume drops 8% with a few million dump.

I think the issue is that the volume is spread over many exchanges, so you can push the price down on one exchange (if the order books are thin) that triggers the bots to sell on the other exchanges.

In other words none of the exchanges have DEEP markets that can absorb even modest selling. And they don't have decent market makers.

By contrast most stocks are traded on just one exchange, in order for there to be good liquidity.
504  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is going down...now at $7,654.85 on: October 23, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
A graph of the plunge:



This seems to me a deliberate attempt to tank the price. Possibly because some futures expire on Friday and someone wants to manipulate the main market because they want to profit from the futures market.

Volume on Bakkt was 332 bitcoins today so far.
505  Economy / Economics / Re: Trump Administration Popped 2017 Bitcoin Bubble, Ex-CFTC Chair Says on: October 23, 2019, 01:26:31 PM
If you spin it around, you can also say that US is intervening with the market to kill Bitcoin. It would be interesting if any of the media go with that narrative and see how the US would react.

They didn't kill it - they just popped the bubble because they were worried about people borrowing to buy bitcoin in 1920's style (when people borrowed to buy stocks).

If the bitcoin price stays stable for a while - say a range of $7,500 to $8,500 - then it becomes a stablecon by itself and starts to have currency uses.
506  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin freelancing is dead? on: October 23, 2019, 01:02:51 PM
I'm a person who would like to do some work for Bitcoin, so I monitor freelancing sites occasionally, and at this time I feel like the freelance market in Bitcoin is nearly dead. The Services board is 99% listings of services rather than people who are looking to buy some; XBTfreelancer is empty or has 1-2 projects most of the time; cryptogrind has mostly just ridiculously underpaid projects or again service announcements (shouldn't they be banned there?), and there's also not much available projects overall; workingforbitcoins has very little traffic, just a few projects per month. It was theorized that Bitcoin will help alleviate poverty by allowing people to work online without any restrictions, but on practice this just isn't happening. In your opinion, what is the reason for this?

I m really wondering what are the reasons why freelancing sites using Bitcoin seem to not gaining good traction in this industry? Maybe if we can identity the problems and challenges with this situation some people can be coming up with possible solutions. Freelancing sites should be making the gigs economy alive and can be helping a lot in more adoption of Bitcoin as they are presenting many people with opportunities to earn some Bitcoin in exchange for performing some tasks. Sadly, there is really no Fiverr counterpart here in the Bitcoin industry. Had Fiverr made a decision to allow Bitcoin as part of its mode of payment then things can be so positively different. I am so sad for this development and I am hoping that something can be done to make those freelancing sites using Bitcoin to come back to life.

It's because once bitcoin went over $1000, employers prefer to hoard their bitcoin and pay people in dollars. So they have gone to the regular freelancing sites and are hiring people for fiat.

I feel a crypto freelancing board could work if people were paid in something like Doge, which nobody hoards - but would employees be willing to work for doge?
507  Economy / Economics / Trump Administration Popped 2017 Bitcoin Bubble, Ex-CFTC Chair Says on: October 23, 2019, 12:35:56 PM
https://www.coindesk.com/trump-administration-popped-2017-bitcoin-bubble-ex-cftc-chair-says

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The Trump administration acted to deflate the bitcoin bubble of 2017 by allowing the introduction of futures products, a former official said Monday.

Christopher Giancarlo, who left the U.S. Commodity Futures Trading Commission (CFTC) at the end of his five-year term as chairman in April, told CoinDesk in an interview:

    “One of the untold stories of the past few years is that the CFTC, the Treasury, the SEC and the [National Economic Council] director at the time, Gary Cohn, believed that the launch of bitcoin futures would have the impact of popping the bitcoin bubble. And it worked.”

In a speech at the Pantera Summit in San Francisco on Monday, Giancarlo elaborated further, saying bitcoin’s dramatic price run-up in December 2017 was the first major bubble following the 2008 financial crisis. That’s why the Trump administration acted in concert to address it in a pro-markets manner, he said.

Bitcoin futures listed by the Chicago Mercantile Exchange (CME) and the CBOE Futures Exchange (CFE) were announced by the CFTC on Dec. 1, 2017 and went live on Dec. 18. Bitcoin’s price peaked at nearly $20,000 one day earlier, on Dec. 17, before falling dramatically in subsequent weeks.

“We saw a bubble building and we thought the best way to address it was to allow the market to interact with it,” Giancarlo told the crowd gathered at the Ritz-Carlton on Nob Hill.

Of course, there are different views on what ultimately brought bitcoin prices back down to Earth, reaching lows in the $3,000 range in late 2018. However, Giancarlo cited research by the San Francisco Federal Reserve that also credits the introduction of bitcoin futures for reining in a market driven by optimists.

Without shorts, a market has no pessimists. “If you do believe it’s a ridiculous price but you don’t own, there’s no way to express that view,” Giancarlo told CoinDesk, adding:

    “If you don’t have that derivative, then all you’ve got are believers [and] it’s a believers’ market.”

The lack of easy ways to short has been cited by other researchers as propping up prices in other crypto assets.

“The CFTC staff handled it strictly on procedural grounds, but at the leadership level I communicated with Treasury Secretary [Steven] Mnuchin and NEC Director Gary Cohn, and we believed that, should bitcoin futures go forward, it would allow institutional money to bring discipline to the value of the cash market,” Giancarlo told CoinDesk. “And that’s exactly what happened.”
Lessons from ’08

The bitcoin bubble of 2017 must be viewed in the context of the financial crisis of 2008, Giancarlo said.

In 2008, the former regulator was running GFI Group Inc., an over-the-counter trading desk on Wall Street that became one of the largest exchanges for credit-default swaps – the financial instrument that wreaked havoc on U.S. markets.

Giancarlo said:

    “Coming out of the 2008 financial crisis, the legit criticism of regulators was along the lines of: Where were they during the expansion of the real estate mortgage bubble, and why didn’t they take steps to pop that bubble when they could have?”

That view informed regulators acting quickly on bitcoin’s ascent, he added.

To Giancarlo, the lesson was clear: Regulators mustn’t be complacent when faced with a bubble – but they must act in a way that keeps markets free. In the case of 2017, permitting bitcoin futures presented just such an opportunity.

Giancarlo concluded:

    “I believe it shows the power of markets to bring discipline to prices.”

He's not wrong.

It was the ability to short that forced the prices back down.

The sad thing is I remember the bitcoin community being so excited when the Chicago Futures Exchange introduced bitcoin futures. They were even calling Giancarlo "crypto-dad".
508  Economy / Economics / Re: Credit organizations and privacy policy on: October 23, 2019, 12:25:15 PM
I found in privacy policy of one particular exchange that it transfers data about me to credit organizations. Actually the same is true for banks.
In what cases do they do this thing? If I make big enough trade volume at exchange, say $50,000 for year, is this information transferred as well? I suppose it happens only if you do margin trading or something... don't know much about it, except that you take loans from brokers...

Yeah I realize $50k is not big for you

Credit orgs collect all the info they can from absolutely everywhere just in case it's useful. And yes they use this to score you. If you are trading on margin (and therefore might be vulnerable to margin calls) and at the same time you ask for the limit on your credit card to be raised, they will join the dots.
509  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency and Remittences on: October 23, 2019, 11:15:13 AM

They've ruined their reputation with all those info dumps so no wonder everyone's ganging up on them. It seems to be "cool" to diss the company.

People also fear that their Libra wallets could just be as easily locked down like how an FB account can get locked for expressing "wrongthink" or being mass reported by bots. Certainly doesn't inspire confidence. I'd also like an alt that is better integrated with various platforms to easily perform things that bitcoin can be currently inefficient with but I wouldn't like it to be by Facebook.

I understand you and the rest of the huge populace that are seemingly afraid of what the name Facebook could bring to their wallets, information, location, etc. I even believe that the biggest factor why this project is like a dud from the very beginning is that it is being started by Facebook. It is the reason why the project is going to be a hard sell not just to the governments and their regulators but also to the rest of the common users.

I believe so, that's one reason that Congress was a bit hard on it. If it wasn't for scandals like Cambridge Analytica, they probably wouldn't have scrutinized it as closely.

Not to mention it's election season. These politicians likely saw how the public reacted to Zuckerberg and want to capitalize on that.

You have to wonder what would have happened if the new currency had been proposed by say Apple, instead of Facebook. There would have been no privacy issues because Apple is a hardware company. And no issue of people's wallets getting locked and so on. And Apple already has the Apple Pay wallet.

It's such a pity zuckerberg and his toxic ego invaded this space.
510  Economy / Economics / Re: Any ideas of what we lack in crypto world? on: October 23, 2019, 10:39:38 AM
The crypto sector can make it easier in the payment sector because of the ease in transacting online and blockchain technology provides new offers from payment systems that are still available today and in my opinion when looking at conditions where more and more are interested then the number of users will always increase every year

This only works if retailers accept bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.

We had a huge setback in Dec 2017 when Steam and others disabled bitcoin because of the backlogs.
511  Economy / Economics / Re: Fear of Facebook spurs Federal Reserve to build its own digital currency on: October 23, 2019, 12:29:24 AM
I have no doubt that if a central bank develops a cryptocurrency, it will be centralized (or at least federated) and they will track every cent that you spend.

It will simply be a fiat currency that you can move via a blockchain. And it's value will be exactly the same as the fiat. So $1 on a blockchain will be the same as $1 in paper currency.

It just makes it easy to move without using western union and so on. And kills off Facebook's coin (which is trying to be a stable coin pegged to the dollar). Why bother with a stable coin issued by a company when you can have a blockchain dollar that is the real thing?
512  Economy / Economics / Re: Central Bank: If The Entire System Collapses, Gold Will Be Needed To Start Over on: October 22, 2019, 11:53:24 PM
The most interesting part is that central banks seem to have totally forgotten what the value of paper money was once based on: gold!



There was a Japanese Emperor who lamented during a drought that it was no use having pearls and gold as you couldn't buy anything with them in a genuine catastrophe.

The US dollar is the primary currency because the US is self-sufficient in food and has a powerful military. That's all you really need.
513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Altcoin's future. on: October 22, 2019, 10:29:44 PM
Altcoins future is going to be good especially the coins are in the list of top 10-20 in the coinmarketcap. I am not worried about those coins.

The only coins that are going to do well are the ones on loads of exchange. Preferably with the option to buy them with a local currency.

The coins listed on the Korean exchanges are interesting because most of them are traded directly for Korean won (which means they're not dependent on bitcoin).
514  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiat currencies on: October 22, 2019, 10:04:35 PM
Although euro is popular along with dollars, it is still the most popular. According to what I have researcher, euro being the second closest reserve currency was damaged due to eurozone crisis. Dollars is leading so far compare to euro.
The Euro is a joke, and I'm using it every single day, which is the worst part.... I rather hold anything nominated in USD value than EUR value, because it's bound to keep falling with no end in sight.

If you held an asset nominated in EUR throughout the last couple of years, you lost big time, while most assets nominated in USD saw their value increase. It's clear that the USD is where you can find most of the confidence.

It's more likely that we will fall back to the gold standard than see a EUR standard become a real thing, especially with how I believe that there isn't a single fiat currency that can do well with the USD imploding.

Out of interest, how are you protecting yourself? Moving into dollars or into bitcoin or both.

IMO the biggest risk is if the Germans decide they're fed-up of negative interest rates and exit the euro. I expect the euro will plunge in value by a good 40% if they leave.
515  Economy / Economics / Re: A huge recession could be on its way - sources on: October 22, 2019, 09:39:13 PM
I think many of us expected another big crash since 2008.
I think the main part contributing to that is how widely discussed this subject has been, where we have reached a point where a lot of wannabe investors have prepared themselves for a crisis to unfold once again.

The general rule however is that when there is such a mass scale preparing going on for a crisis, you can be close to certain that it won't be happening any time soon, especially not with how much money is being printed.

Money printing can keep the economy up and running for another 5-10 years.... the thing however is that it only makes the crisis that will eventually happen even more of a danger, and it will hit everyone when it isn't expected.

This. The next crisis will be down to something people haven't thought of and haven't prepared for (which is why it will be a crisis)
516  Economy / Economics / Re: Fiat currencies on: October 22, 2019, 01:57:51 PM
Dollar will always be the international currency no matter how many currencies with larger values may appear. It's well established
 Every well established currency has been replaced after some time especially when it failed to convey value reliably for the population of users.   The problem we have is within our lifetimes we have no reason to doubt it will continue as a standard as previously but historically it would be normal for transition to another standard.



The switch from the Pound to the Dollar required a switch in oil, gold and other commodities to being priced in dollars rather than pounds.

This was a condition of the post-war loans the US made to the UK in 1947.

If the UK hadn't been wrecked by World War II, then the pound would still be the global currency.

So - the dominant currency is due to a mix of economic and military strength.
517  Economy / Economics / Re: Texas Bitcoin Mining Startup With $200 Million To Steal China’s Crypto Crown on: October 22, 2019, 01:11:07 PM
I was hoping to see something in that article talking about them using solely sustainable energy. I see that they're using wind and solar power, would have been nice to see a commitment to them using a % percentage minimum of renewables. I think it's a pretty big problem how much fossil fuels a lot of these large mining operations use up, if we want to stop Bitcoin from having insane negative externalizes we really need to get on top of that (and to be fair, even in China where regulation is quite poor, a good proportion of energy used by mining ops there is renewable).

Good to see that the hashing power of the network will be coming less centralized in China, though.

I think Texas has the highest amount of solar panels in the USA, so basing the mining operation in Texas is a big start to sustainable bitcoin mining.
518  Economy / Economics / Re: What are some not so obvious things that damage a country's economy? on: October 22, 2019, 12:28:13 PM
In other words, this cleanness is definitely at someone else's expense, whether we like or not. And while we are at it, Europe is the most suicidal region in the whole world (with Scandinavian countries closer to the top of the list). So much for "happiness" (perhaps, they feel guilty, or something)

Suicidal goes by how dangerous life is. In countries where is war or lot of criminal and poverty no one will suicide. Because they see dying and what comes with that all the time. In countries with high living standards there is tones of suicides, because people simply dont cherish the life.

Suicide is low in the UK and in Greece, which indicates it's down to culture. The UK is a chatty country where people talk to strangers all the time. Greece is a country with a strong family culture.

Scandinavia doesn't have a strong family culture, and people there tend to be reserved and not as chatty or friendly as the Brits. So loneliness is a thing. Suicide is a function of loneliness.
519  Economy / Economics / Re: Can Libra Disrupt The Financial/Economic System? on: October 22, 2019, 11:43:44 AM

To be honest, facebook currency or Libra is very unnecessary in our economy. We already have a lot of fiat currencies in different countries and we already have a lot of option in terms of having a virtual or digital currency like Paypal. We are already all set in becoming a cashless society so having Libra coin as a new project related to currency is useless because we already have that system a lot of years ago.

What was needed was a token that you could exchange for local currencies everywhere that would confirm in minutes and have very low fees.

With Paypal - yes you can use it to convert your dollars to local currency - but they take a 5% spread on the currency conversion. And Western Union take 5% plus a $25 fee.

Bitcoin should have been that token but the fees surge when the price rises. Also bitcoin is volatile. Watch all the crypto exchanges across the world - as soon as there is a useful token on all the exchanges, with low fees and low network congestion, that's the one that will be used to move money.
520  Economy / Economics / Re: Cryptocurrency and Remittences on: October 17, 2019, 01:17:54 PM


I really agree with idea of Libra tapping into remittance market. Indeed Bitcoin is very much convenient in that regard and cheaper too. With the size of Facebook and its wide usage. If they are to get regulatory approval in future. These initiatives are most likely to take the market by storm which ever strategy they choose to adopt regarding Libra coin.

Libra is dead - 7 payment processors have now backed out of the deal.

So the remittence market is going to be controlled by a crypto that can be exchanged for local fiat on a lot of exchanges.

At the moment bitcoin is winning. But if another coin wants to enter this market they need to focus on making sure they're on as many exchanges as possible, and pared with local fiat currencies.
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