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The important point is: They have 20-30 employees (at this stage maybe more). To post a twitter message: "Everything is OK.Chips here. Shipping starts tuesday." You need exactly 29.5 seconds. I dont get it why they choose to stay silent. Especially since they did announcements like this last week.
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lol! what exactly are you trying to contruct here? last weeks...  |
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It's just exhausting, this thread. It's the first thing I check when I wake up (after pool stats). And I'm only checking for REAL news. And instead, we get 8 pages of new/old FUD and fantasy. And that's a complete downer.
Can we all agree, when there is some REAL news to report, that someone will start a new thread and we can all let this one die?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=304567.0why didn't you set up a self-moderated thread? would also recommend that |
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Schon interessant. Das bedeutet in China wird jetzt der Bitcoin-Kurs gemacht.
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they could have stopped all this as well as refunds by naming a shipping date or at least give more news about current progress
as well as [edit-begin] sticking to claims like [edit-end] allowing refunds until shipment as stated [edit2-begin] since there are still some asking for October slots as far as I know [edit2-end]
being silent in order to surprise customers seems to be a stupid tactic and I do not think they are stupid
Well if there is anybody looking for October Jupiters I have 2. I did buy them with PayPal and an AMEX so I still have some options. I'm sorry guys & gals, but this time Xallia & Crumbs are right.
When I ordered, It was for September DELIVERY, not September shipping.
True. So it looks like you will get your order one, two or three days late. BUT, when you ordered 400 GH/s was the name of the game. Now we are talking 500 GH/s (maybe even more), so absolutely no reason to whine imo. The 500GH/s has never been confirmed. Just Sam in coindesk I think saying 450GH/s and a KnC forum post re PSU requirements. The truth is KnC don't even know how fast their chips will be. Butfury's chips have 5GH printed on the package for instance. Indeed it was a forum post of a KNC member. Yes, maybe even KNC doesnt know exactly what will be possible. But that doesnt make any big difference regarding my statement: If KNC ships miners hashing 500GH/s+ nobody has the right to whine about 3 days delayed delivery and nobody should as its the much better choice to have a 500 GH miner at October 3rd than a 400 GH/s at september 30th. |
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I'm sorry guys & gals, but this time Xallia & Crumbs are right.
When I ordered, It was for September DELIVERY, not September shipping.
True. So it looks like you will get your order one, two or three days late. BUT, when you ordered 400 GH/s was the name of the game. Now we are talking 500 GH/s (maybe even more), so absolutely no reason to whine imo. |
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In the end: 400% increase = BS
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When did expected become a promise.
Semantics pedantry -- the last resort of failed fanbois. Hope you get an equally formalistic package from KNC -- A plastic miner doll wearing a "500GH/s" bib. Fanboy.. not sure about that. But heavy invested yes. There will be a video during the weekend on a working unit. And pickup / shipments starts early next week. Dont see the problem. 200M difficulty and probably a 400% jump on next adjustment might be a problem for some. 800m by next adjustment in around one week? You wanna be quoted then with this? |
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I will organize a group buy.
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So... Where is 'orama? Only one post today? Smells fishy  he is on the plane. |
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Mmm well I guess we won't hear much until the coming days are upon us.
Now I'm certain sept orders won't ship in time. They didn't even say if their chips got done packaging or not, which is pretty surprising.
I guess chips arrived today and should have arrived at monday. Not looking extemely good at the moment imo. Only good thing is that if knc is late the diff spike that knc will produce is delayed also... |
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Alternativlosigkeit hin oder her.
Wenn derjenige welcher D Trus gegeben hat für diesen Trust nicht geradestehen müsste, dann wäre das ganze System zum scheitern verurteilt.
tjo, was meinste wie das mit unserem heutigen System gerade aussieht? Ein Geld-/Schulden-/Kredit-System wird immer das Problem mit der Frage der Rückzahlung haben. Aus netzwerktheoretischer Sicht ist es auf jeden Fall sinnvoller und resilienter, es zu machen wie Ripple, wo die Leute eigenständig versuchen, die Probleme lokal an Ort und Stelle zu lösen. Heute haben wir quasi einen riesigen Single Point Of Failure, wo sich die Fehler und Krisen hochschaukeln, bis periodisch das ganze immer wieder komplett zusammenkracht. das heutige geldsystem steht doch überhaupt nicht zur debatte! was soll das ständige ausweichen auf die vermeintlichen schwächen des heutigen systems? sollte a einfach so seinem kumpel b 100.000€ schenken können und damit quasi die anderen C,D und E bertügen so würde dies geschehen sobald es möglich wäre. niemand steigt freiwillig in ein solches system ein, wenn sich irgendwelche idioten am anderen ende der welt auf meine kosten ihr nächstes auto finanzieren. und bevor du jetzt wieder kommst mit "aber unser jetziges system...." ripple ist nunmal freiwillig und das FIAT-system ist nicht freiwillig (wenn man einmal davon absieht das rein theoretisch demokratisch gewählte führer auch ein anderes währungssystem einführen könnten. was ja auch schon geschehen ist in der wirtschaftsgeschichte) sollten sich daher solche effekte ergeben würde das system sterben bevor es überhaupt richtig losgegangen ist. und der vergleich mit dem volksstamm ist natürlich nett. aber in einem globalen und ANONYMEN system liegt die Hemmschwelle zum Betrug nunmal wesentlich tiefer als bei einem Volksstamm mit 1000 Mitgliedern. Wenn Pedro und Carlo in San Paulo irgendeinen anonymen Uwe in Deutschland um ein paar Euros erleichtern können so werden sie dies tun. Und umgekehrt genauso. Wie gesagt ich gehe nicht davon aus das sich das system so leicht aushebeln lässt und im englischen Forum gab es auch schon erhellende Antworten weshalb so ein Effekt nicht ungebremst durchs Netzwerk fliessen wird. |
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Wäre ja schon bisschen scheisse da er ja D niemals persönlich 50€ geliehen hätte.
tjo, weißte was noch viel mehr scheisse ist? das ist die heutige alternativlosigkeit, dass wir alle mit unseren steuern immer die banken retten müssen. nee, da is ripple schon eine elegante lösung, bei der die leute das dann auf peer-to-peer ebene ausprügeln können. Alternativlosigkeit hin oder her. Wenn derjenige welcher D Trus gegeben hat für diesen Trust nicht geradestehen müsste, dann wäre das ganze System zum scheitern verurteilt. DARUM geht es mir hier. Angenommen B steht nicht gerade für die Schulden von A dann könnte ich (B) meinem Kumpel (A) einen Kredit über 100000€ geben. Sollte A Pleite gehen juckt mich das ja nicht schliesslich muss ja irgendwo D dafür gerade stehen. Sollte das so sein (ich gehe mal davon aus dass es nicht so ist) wäre das ein inhärenter Systemfehler. |
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Das würde bedeuten das durch das Netzwerk quasi auch immer gegenläufige Rippe-Effekte strömen. Also sozusagen Default-Ripples.
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Question:
What happens when someone defaults?
So lets say we got this ripple-chain from person A,B,C and D
And through the ripple-effect A is lending basically D 100$. D is burning those 100$ and is default.
Who will have to pay those 100$ then?
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Hi,
mal ne Frage:
Was passiert bei nem Zahlungsausfall?
Also A traut B, B traut C, und C traut D.
D nimmt Kohle aus dem Netzwerk und durch den Ripple Effekt leiht dann quasi A -> D 50€.
Jetzt geht aber D pleite und die 50€ sind für alles Zeit weg. Bleibt das dann an A hängen?
Wäre ja schon bisschen scheisse da er ja D niemals persönlich 50€ geliehen hätte.
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Its a matter of ONE minute to write a twitter or forum message "The chips arrive friday, saturday or whatever"...
assholes like you insist on some wild ass guess then bring blame when suppliers / shippers / etc make the guess inaccurate? Jerk. -MarkM- Seriously, you are getting insulting cause of a simple question? Are you that close to fuckn freak out? You know maybe they deliver on time maybe they wont. Maybe it will be a profitable venture maybe it wont. But YOU have just prooven to be a fuckin donk. |
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Indeed it would be nice to get some details. I honor the way KNC is handling things so far but there news policy could need some optimizing.
It needs just a minute from a secretary and everyone would be pleased.
Have the chips arrived?
If not, when are they supposed to arrive and wasnt they meant to arrive earlier this week?
I have no problems with delays, cause i see them doing everything they can to supply those miners as early as possible, so thats OK with me.
But i would like to stay informed daily in this very critical phase that we are right now. Like i said, one minute work for some office worker and we all know whats going on.
Or you know, just relax and be patient..... We are in the most crtitical week right now, several thousand dollars have been invested, i really think we all deserve some details whats going on right now. Its a matter of ONE minute to write a twitter or forum message "The chips arrive friday, saturday or whatever"... |
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Indeed it would be nice to get some details. I honor the way KNC is handling things so far but there news policy could need some optimizing.
It needs just a minute from a secretary and everyone would be pleased.
Have the chips arrived?
If not, when are they supposed to arrive and wasnt they meant to arrive earlier this week?
I have no problems with delays, cause i see them doing everything they can to supply those miners as early as possible, so thats OK with me.
But i would like to stay informed daily in this very critical phase that we are right now. Like i said, one minute work for some office worker and we all know whats going on.
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In the meantime, everyone should get used to the new number: 148.819.199
Far below what i expected. |
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