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521  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to call 0.001 BTC? (5 BTC Bounty) on: June 07, 2011, 07:56:12 PM
While milli- and micro- is very simple to understand for a scientific community, "a thousand" and "a million" is understood more intuitively by Average Joe.

I hate having to agree with you, but the recent accident in Fukushima is a good example. Both mass media and the general public were completely unable to understand and communicate the difference between micro and milli - leading to headlines that there had been increases in radiation because TEPCO stated "14 microsievert" when they had previously said "0.6 millisievert" etc.

Falkvinge expressed similar views:

{amount}[k|m|u]

The amount 0.00141 could have been better written as 1.41m (1.41 millibitcoin), or 1410u for those who prefer (1,410 microbitcoin). It makes it much more readable. Readability is strongly preferable. (The k prefix works similarly for kilo and will probably only be used to buy mansions and luxury sports cars. I do not foresee a need for a mega prefix.)


http://falkvinge.net/2011/06/06/bitcoins-four-hurdles-part-two-transactions/
522  Economy / Economics / Re: Hostile action against the bitcoin infrastracture on: June 07, 2011, 06:15:00 PM
to do

regulation-less

Why does it have to be P2P?

this

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The real downside to centralized service is if it gets seized or shut down
523  Economy / Economics / Re: Hostile action against the bitcoin infrastracture on: June 06, 2011, 09:56:48 PM
If we're trying to bootstrap a completely new economy we should use our strength, which is "free" micro payments, something other forms of currency and value exchangers cannot do today.

Just beware that Bitcoin can't actually do free micro payments, because that would open us up to a DOS attack.  We can do fairly cheap ones, though.

Micro-payments shouldn't really need the identity protect bitcoin offers anyway.

My interest in Bitcoin has very little to do with identity protection and very much to do with the possibility to do "instant" regulation-less P2P transactions in all sorts of circumstances where our current economic systems makes it difficult.

I dislike carrying cash, and I feel sorry for merchants every time I pay for something worth only a few dollars with plastic since I know most of their profit is being eaten by banks claiming to perform a service I fail to see is needed.

"free" = micro enough
"instant" = small sums don't really need confirmation, large sums do

524  Economy / Economics / Re: Hostile action against the bitcoin infrastracture on: June 06, 2011, 01:51:09 PM
There are millions of transactions that go on, that are worth far less than $0.01 and are represented by difference payment schemes:
* money online games such as WOW use,
* file servers that make you wait 90 seconds before you download anything,
* message boards where there is very little signal-to-noise ratio you have to scour to gleen any useful information on them, because there is no one there to clean it up.

Seconded. If we're trying to bootstrap a completely new economy we should use our strength, which is "free" micro payments, something other forms of currency and value exchangers cannot do today.

It would open up new opportunities for Bitcoin immediately.

(On topic: I consider the US-government-will-take-control-over-more-than-50%-of-the-network scenario to not only be likely, I'm quite sure Homeland Security is already working on it)

525  Economy / Economics / Re: Understanding deflation on: June 04, 2011, 10:29:52 PM
When I put my hard-earned money in the bank in a savings account it increases in value over time.

No. The rate of inflation is higher than the rate you're given on your savings, which means that while the actual number you see indeed goes up the purchasing power (e.g. value) goes down.

526  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What to call 0.001 BTC? (5 BTC Bounty) on: June 04, 2011, 07:18:01 PM
So with that, we had 15 votes for milliBit:  it is the winner, although it will likely be abbreviated down to be Mill/Mille as Gavin suggested.

It's the most sane name. Calling them "mill" or "millies" risk causing confusion with "million" though (esp. if capitalizing!). As suggested in another thread, mBit ("embit" - two syllables) sounds nice.

527  Economy / Economics / Re: The current Bitcoin economic model doesn't work on: June 03, 2011, 10:47:56 PM
"In 2009, the estimated annual growth rate was 1.1%."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth


You're looking at newly born babies sir. Those don't use bitcoin. You should look at the natural increase of eligible users.

I have no idea what you're talking about now, but your original statement was about the rate of human population growth and was promptly disproven.

(UN medium scenario projects a max global population of somewhere between 9-10 billion at the year 2050-2070 and then decreasing)



528  Economy / Economics / Re: The current Bitcoin economic model doesn't work on: June 03, 2011, 09:40:03 PM
Really? So for instance its user base increase between 2017 and 2018 is supposed to be only 1.5% simply because the increase in bitcoins would be about 1.5% during the same period? That's nonsense. The natural human population growth exceeds that figure

"In 2009, the estimated annual growth rate was 1.1%."
- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth

529  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin sticker shock looming? on: June 03, 2011, 09:13:08 PM
Don't you mean mili bitcoin? --> mBTC

mBit ("embit") has a nice two-syllable ring to it.

530  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Mac OS X full build instructions and updated binary package on: May 31, 2011, 09:46:06 PM
Thanks for checking it out, let me know how it works out for you!

Seeing as the thread was started a year ago, just to verify: Are you the only one currently working on the mac client? Just realized it doesn't seem to use NAT-PNP/UPnP due to the low connection count i got. With Bitcoin constantly in the news a lot of people who aren't comfortable doing manual port mapping (might not even run devices with static internal IPs) are probably trying it out now.

(A secondary but related problem is not mac specific: Not being able to run two Bitcoin clients on the same local network with one external IP without manual pass-through configuration)

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