The player gave a very vague confirmation that he was paid yesterday and then vanished from the scam thread (which is now infested with beggers) Hi frends chelashin Yes I was 87 bit and 102 bit me and now I have won a total of 70 bits I picked up and I came to Blockchain account.
I found this address also received 80 btc from pocketdice wallet, which is not normal for them by their history. So it might be him. 1KKC2FZBzvfXQ4eFG38QTUGhXLakzbhiwB Keep in mind, if this is the case, it does not prove that they are solvent and there should be no celebration that they didn't scam a player. They should be willing to prove that they can pay the next 100 btc winner. And the one ofter that. I'm not sure exactly what should be considered "financially responsible" , but Im sure that can be determined. Please report anyone who begs or even brings up who the topic of this guy giving away his money to random people for posting about this. At this point I think the focus should be on whether pocket dice can afford to operate or not.
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Indeed.
I also doubt they will ever get Jackpot Sngs for the same reason they don't have regular sngs, or cash games.
Their response is never an indication of reality, either way. (ask for any feature that sounds like a good idea, they will say "it's already in the works" )
This got me thinking: Why? Think about it...they already have integrated the WTN software into their client. Every other WTN partner has integrated jackpots into their software. We know why they haven't integrated WPN cash games (they aren't allowed and if they were allowed they wouldn't see the value in it as they'd lose money due to promo overlay and beast contribution). We know why they haven't integrated WPN SNGs (they won't increase their security to prevent chip dumping/money laundering and would be fully on the hook if it happens again). But why not jackpots? It's not a money laundering/chip dumping spot because it's three handed and doesn't run at high stakes. It's not a promo consideration because the rake is so low. It WOULD add money to their pocket because there are tons of regs who would play it. So it's got to be a liquidity issue. In the jackpots, the sites that participate share the profits BUT ALSO THE RISK! If a 25k gets it, and there are two ACR players and one BCP player playing, ACR has to contribute 16.6k and BCP has to contribute 8.3k. That way it's fair for all participating skins. This is different from when a Betcoin player wins big in a WTN MTT, because WTN reimburses Betcoin right away so Betcoin is never 'out' any money. In this situation, Betcoin would have to take a potential long term loss if one of it's players hits a large jackpot multiplier early on. It's very very very likely that WTN asks all skins participating in jackpots to put a certain amount of money into escrow with it "just in case"...I'm betting that Betcoin doesn't have that money to invest. And THAT'S why we aren't seeing the games. Because they are broke. It's the only logical conclusion. I think Jackpot Sngs would be one of the easiest ways to get away with dumping funds quickly. Sure, you might lose 2 buyins 1/3 of the time, dump the chips the wrong way or get stuck playing against the wrong 2 people once in a while, but they are quick and go up to $60 buyins sometimes. I don't follow why WPN would need any escrow of funds.
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hi i am CHELASHIN But I think I am able to withdraw my account has been opened. According to the site two weeks
Message for Chelashin: DO NOT PLAY A SINGLE ROLL ON POCKETDICE! They are likely Freerolling you! If you win 200 they will still not pay. If you lose, they will not pay. DO ON pocketdice bi tinazî ne. Ew pere niha ji we re bidin tune ne. Ger tu win zędetir, ew jî wę bibin kęmtir bidin. Ger tu winda bike, ew ę bi te bidin. Tu nikarî qezenç bike, da ku deynę ne!
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They are still unable to honor a BTC102 withdraw being discussed in these threads: pocketdice.io scammed 102btc, please help!!!Pocket Dice – The first realistic dice gameYesterday I posted a blog about it: Pocketdice.io Showing Signs Of InsolvencyThey posted for the first time since Sept 22 today claiming that the reason for the delay is an issue with Xapos and their KYC requirements. They are still unable to pay and gave no timeframe. The only real update was that they unblocked the players account to let him gamble - basically a freeroll for them. Hey everyone! Apologies for not posting any updates, though there was no news apparently, as we have been trying to use our Xapo coldwallet to process the withdrawal of chelashin, but still no success. They have implemented a KYC procedure for all users and this has taken LOT longer than expected. Actually we still don't have access to our funds in there, the support staff is really hard to reach and overall experience is really disappointing ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) So all we had to do is just wait to be able to move some BTCs across our projects for this cashout, as we're not holding much money in the hotwallet. -snip- Whether or not they actually have substantial funds locked up in Xapos or not does not change the fact that they don't control player funds. If they are able to pay the BTC102 anytime soon, they should still be expected to prove that they have the funds to continue running their site. (Some of the dice nerds can figure out how much that actually is) Until this happens, I urge everyone to consider them a busto casino relies on player deposits to process cash outs. (yeah, the P word)
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hi i am CHELASHIN But I think I am able to withdraw my account has been opened. According to the site two weeks
Chelashin, post your address here so that there is proof you are paid or not. -snip-
This isn't the actual OP of the page, this account only has 1 post, and has a capital F while the other one has 37 posts and has a lower case f. OP isn't the victim either. freind chelashin= OP,trying to get handout from Chelashin if he gets paid. Friend chilashin= OP new account, since first got hacked (according to them) kurdstan = Chelashin while were at it... Kurdistan = roughly defined geo-cultural region wherein the Kurdish people form a prominent majority population, and Kurdish culture, language, and national identity have historically been based ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Fc5543db0e7ebd64c9a52d82f943fab01.png&t=663&c=UGBF6wFrKJvoYw) If Chelashin lives here, I hope he gets paid and uses the money to move somewhere else with his family.
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we have been trying to use our Xapo coldwallet to process the withdrawal of chelashin, but still no success. They have implemented a KYC procedure for all users and this has taken LOT longer than expected. Actually we still don't have access to our funds in there
Please inform us of how many bitcoins you have, and where they are. (You don't have Bitcoin in Xapos Wallet. Xapos Does) From what I can tell you have 4 BTC here in hot wallet: 1Hsk4SV1nGFL7jQhYAgYCv8Z8uEr84eTC and another 10 BTC here: 15hi8S5zheeG5Jxie5RRgCkXEeRtqiHLGx Our reputation has been flawless for more than 2 years already, so after the investigation was over we were doing our best to be able to process this withdrawal asap.
Not anymore.
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-snip-
Stop begging him for money. Now the final word belongs to Pocketdice. I am happy that you proved me and others wrong ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Enjoy your money Chelashin go and have a holiday or buy something expensive ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Jesus Christ, read the post. He's still not paid. They can't pay him bc they don't have the bitcoin. -snip- lame excuse, still haven't paid him -snip-
If you wish to salvage your reputation, you need to show proof of solubility. How much money do you have. (if it's in xapos wallet, then you don't have it. Xapos does) From what I can tell you have 4 BTC here in hot wallet: 1Hsk4SV1nGFL7jQhYAgYCv8Z8uEr84eTC and another 10 BTC here: 15hi8S5zheeG5Jxie5RRgCkXEeRtqiHLGx Where else, show us. Or is that it. What will you do if there is another 100btc winner tomorrow? How long will he have to wait?
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Why you don't have Spins/Jackpot SNGs? As part of WPN network?
This is currently in development and has taken longer than expected to implement, however we hope to have an announcement on this in short time. Thank you for your question. Betcoin.ag is no partner of the WPN and join the tournaments through the WTN! http://www.winningpokernetwork.com/partners/Indeed. I also doubt they will ever get Jackpot Sngs for the same reason they don't have regular sngs, or cash games. Their response is never an indication of reality, either way. (ask for any feature that sounds like a good idea, they will say "it's already in the works" )
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You're asking for people to invest in your site and you're sharing your gross revenue data.
Why won't you provide the break down of total deposits/cashouts etc.?
I'm confused.
Hello, Thank you for the question. We are not interested in providing this info as it has no relation to the revenue actually. There are can be no deposits but people would play (on their previous deposits, etc). So the revenue is also based on the previous deposited funds which can be held in the casino balance for quite a long time already. There can be no deposits but a positive revenue and on the contrary - there are deposits but casino can lose. That's why it won't be correct to publish this info. Hi, Do you know what how much players deposit and withdraw each month? Does SoftSwiss keep that a secret from you for some reason? Also, you should know about pocketdice.io, it seems they have scammed a player out of 102 BTC You can read about it here: https://bitcoinblacklist.blogspot.com/I hope you will end your relationship with them quickly.
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All member # missing between cdmacrunk and gentledan a zero post accounts. Only 1 account without red trust above, and that is clearly being farmed. 7 or 8 minutes timescale to create all above accounts.
I have looked at a lot of accounts, and account regestration patterns. I have never seen so many uninterupted red trust accounts.
Any use?
edit, added first post history's. As can be seen, impossible to be anything other than the same owner.
I can't recall where I read it, but the entire 100,000 almost without a single UID are all manufactured by bots. I can't recall if it were the 500,000 600,000 or 700,000's. Judging by what you've uncovered it's probably the 600,000's that were affected. Have a look at the UID's being created about ten days ago, almost all created and logged out practically immediately (some as low as two seconds after registering they log out) Around the 400-500ks the bots were filling in fake yet real looking addresses, often reusing the same address again within 3-7 days. Url Name Post Activity Join Date Last Active Address Wallet 420352 StarHerzed 0.00 0 1/26/2015 11:51:00 PM 1/26/2015 4 Avenue De L'amandier 420596 ClarisANXI 0.00 0 1/27/2015 3:27:00 AM 2/14/2015 4 Avenue De L'amandier 423985 ForresGale 0.00 0 1/29/2015 4:57:00 AM 1/29/2015 4 Avenue Des Pr'es 439289 IrisViiayb 0.00 0 2/10/2015 1:22:00 AM 2/10/2015 4 Avenue Des Pr'es 441946 MaryannMcC 0.00 0 2/12/2015 1:46:00 PM 2/14/2015 4 Avenue Des Pr'es 414334 EzraHanran 0.00 0 1/23/2015 8:46:00 AM 1/23/2015 4 Avenue Des Tuileries 444184 ZitaSticht 0.00 0 2/14/2015 9:19:00 AM 2/14/2015 4 Avenue Jean Portalis 443600 WandaOJMP 0.00 0 2/13/2015 11:12:00 PM 2/13/2015 4 Beach Street 421726 ShennaButc 0.00 0 1/27/2015 8:31:00 PM 1/27/2015 4 Berkeley Rd 499043 FreddiePri 0.00 0 3/30/2015 1:45:00 PM 3/30/2015 4 Bette Mcnee Street 427951 SheritaODr 0.00 0 1/31/2015 3:17:00 PM 1/31/2015 4 Boonah Qld 447100 ShawneRead 0.00 0 2/16/2015 9:58:00 AM 2/16/2015 4 Boorie Road 436539 Percy43Cda 0.00 0 2/7/2015 1:14:00 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Hi there,
Fair enough, we're willing to do what we can to make this rule more visible, so we'll be adding it to the deposit page, so you can see it when you deposit, and also the general terms area.
We're also working on a technical solution for this of course.
Any other place?
Mike
Wow you did change a few things, and you haven't resorted to spamming huge promos images and telling other users to "ignore the trolls". That's good. I really think you should feel obligated to be actively informing players who have violated the max bet rule as soon as possible. I can't imagine how shitty it must feel to be that guy who fires 15 or 20 deposits at you before finally winning something decent only to find out that he literally never had a chance because he was betting 6 euro per spin. (The same goes for the guy who gets a withdraw rejected on his second deposit) I was def surprised to see that those Malta Casinos were able to use the same max bonus terms, there are certainly more than I thought, but I wasn't able to check them all bc of my location. Two of the sites you mentioned basically said they don't enforce this rule unless they believe there is some sort of fraud. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F05b0d549c328925d2a007205bdef173f.png&t=663&c=vH7n7L09liRUUA) By the way, whos call is it to enforce this rule? I can tell you guys are set up a little different than most of the others, how different is it though? Did you drop Glam Life? Could you tell Betsoft to fuck off if you wanted to?
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Mike, How many casinos can you name that have this rule and aren't using softswiss software? I'll give you a list 10x as long of casinos that don't and would lose their license if they did. The rule exists only to be violated. It doesn't protect the casino from anything, it does create a potential vulnerability in players for you to exploit. It's predatory. In the short run Im sure it seems like a brilliant idea. But it's not only damaging your rep, it's turning people off from gambling for bitcoin and even just bitcoin. I know you didn't write the rules or decide where they are displayed, but please, pay attention to this: Unless a player has already landed on https://www.bitstarz.com/promotions, any hyperlink within the site titled "Terms & Conditions" will bring them to: https://www.bitstarz.com/terms (this is the 4,000+ word version that does not mention the max bet rule) If a player navigates to https://www.bitstarz.com/promotions, then clicks on "Terms & Conditions" next to a specific promotion (not on the bottom of the page) they will remain on https://www.bitstarz.com/promotions and a popup with BONUS TERMS AND CONDITIONS will appear. (it's 2,000+ words, with this rule located on the bottom third) Your promotional emails link directly to https://www.bitstarz.com/bonus-terms-and-conditions, which is the same as the pop-up one would get from https://www.bitstarz.com/promotions So...Some of your examples below, like the Terms link when signing up, will never bring you to the max bet rule. And some of them will bring only those who have already navigated to /promotions page. Example, before signing up, a user checks out terms and conditions: (lands on https://www.bitstarz.com/terms reads 4,000 words, is not informed of max bet) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F39c52787b2ac15d383a19e834f054d38.gif&t=663&c=KSx1-l_rehrDMg) PS: Some of Your Betsoft Progressive Jackpots are fraudulent (For example, 1% is getting taken by Betsoft while GlamLife, Some of the Larger Greedy Goblins and Bad Girl Jackpots are unwinnable, also Pocketdice just scammed a player for BTC102, you should drop them both as providers. I'll be back to explain soon, or you could research it yourself.
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Hi there,
I'm not sure what your definition of a "scam" is, but if you break the rules that you've agreed to, that's a very interesting choice of words, and an outright slanderous claim.
This is one of the most common bonus rules in any casino and we remind players on the chat when they come ask, and the terms and conditions of the bonus are displayed in multiple places of the website.
To make a technical implementation about a limit takes a lot of time and resources but it's in the making. The pop-up functionality won't be able to get sorted in the mobile in the near function as it's not supported, but the desktop pop-up warning for going over the limit will be faster for us to develop.
Mike
The rule is bullshit, but you didn't make it and I doubt you (you, as in Bitstarz) could change it even if you wanted. Right? Am I wrong or would a decision like that be made by the same people that are running many other casinos ( Direx N.V. or Softswiss maybe?, or are they the same people? ) It may seem like a normal rule every casino has to you, but I can assure you that you will only find it at unregulated casinos, or casinos that might as well be unregulated from a players perspective. Let's just assume that "Bitstarz" really wants to be an honest Casino and for some reason they aren't allowed to change this max bet rule. If they were to take the following three steps, I think they would have a valid argument that what their doing isn't wrong or require any (omg) technical implementation. 1.) Tell every single player that violates the rule.Correct me if I'm wrong, but, if a player deposits $500, receives a bonus, and loses it playing $10 hands of blackjack, you don't bother to let him know his $500 was torched the minute the first card was dealt, do you? What if he does it 20 more times over the next year before finally getting lucky and clearing the bonus with a balance of $5k? See where I'm going with this? See how fucked up it is to do this to your players? 2.) Put the same amount of effort into making sure players are aware your deposit bonuses as they are this max bet rule. Right now a lawyer could easily spend hours studying your terms and conditions and not even be aware this rule exists. Don't believe me? Scroll down to the bottom of your site (where the t&c are traditionally found) Click on terms and conditions and read the whole thing. https://www.bitstarz.com/terms Wow, you're fast!, that was 4,506 words. The word "bonus" was used 17 times. No mention of max bet rule though. Not even a link to somewhere else that mentions it. Maybe in the FAQ that has a separate "Bonus Section"? Nope, not even under FAQ: Bonuses ("Why are you keeping my money?" might be a good one to add) To find this max bet rule, one must click on "Terms and Condition" that's found in the promo advertisements. (Not the bottom of the page) These seperate T&C are 2,059 words long, the rule can be found around word #1,578. Until the play through requirements have been met, the maximum bet that can be placed is 5 EUR/GBP/USD/CAD/AUD, 50 SEK/NOK. When it comes to Bitcoin players the maximum bet is 25 mBTC (0.025 BTC). (25 mbtc is like 14 euro btw) Also you're banners need to looks something like this: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Fc12d2d3b3cdc8b92bbff3462628b02eb.png&t=663&c=xMSkTnHhhdFVDA) PS: There's a bunch of other little scummy non-transparent tactics I found if you're interested. Other casinos start ignoring me about now so, thought I'd ask. Well findings, they claimed max wager of X; X is not told to everyone, so next time they can change to 20mbtc or 10mbtc, if people have won 50 btc. Bitstarz, it is serious fraud issue, you fraud us, fraud =scam, so answer of your question is here. Dude no. No. Read the post, not just the pictures please. I just put X because I was lazy at the moment. I don't think they've ever changed the actual maximums. I edited that Banner, this is what the original looks like at https://www.bitstarz.com/promotions ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Fe771718a12174b7b257c817be0dd04ce.png&t=663&c=KSbPXbO29NiFtw)
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SCAM ALERT
These other sites for the same site owner
Pocketdice Sites: pocketdice.io btc-casino.io betchain.com coinpalace.io fun-casino.com oshi.io anonymous-casino.com ttr.casino Bitstarz.com Playamo.com LimoPlay.com betstreak.co lol that is very incorrect. Pocketdice owns Coinpalace, but that is it. Other websites in the list use Pocketdice, just like they use games from other providers (Ezugi, NetEnt, Booming, BetSoft) Do you have any source to connect Coinpalace and Pocketdice?
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Hi,
Remember a couple weeks ago in Betcoins thread when you said:
"I am at the top tier position (40%). I've simply worked harder than everyone else and been more consistent than everyone else in marketing."
Then I said:
"Last month you tried to convince me that you were at the lowest affiliate Tier"
To which you replied:
"Are you seriously mentally brain dead? That's for casino and sports, which I am at the lowest tier, which means I don't even get greater than 1 BTC per month for that or else I'd move up in tiers. For poker I am at 40% and giving back 33-38%."
Which made me ask:
"Are you saying that the revenue generated for one category doesn't increase in all tiers?
You're also saying that your signups generate over BTC75 last month in just poker rake?
Those same players that have paid over BTC75 per month in poker rake aren't losing a more than BTC2.5 in casino, sports or dice?"
Are you still sticking with that ? Or did you want to revise statement?
You really need to go bark up another tree Twitchy. How about I ask a reasonable question that any affiliate on any other site should have no problem answering: Hi, I have a question about the affiliate program commision structure at Betcoin. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2F3ec9ad4459b42991513ad89a457ab71c.png&t=663&c=V-vy5IkMiHIA3Q) If my players generate over BTC75 of poker revenue and under BTC75 for everything else, am I paid Tier 5 commission for all categories? Or just Poker.
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Hi there,
I'm not sure what your definition of a "scam" is, but if you break the rules that you've agreed to, that's a very interesting choice of words, and an outright slanderous claim.
This is one of the most common bonus rules in any casino and we remind players on the chat when they come ask, and the terms and conditions of the bonus are displayed in multiple places of the website.
To make a technical implementation about a limit takes a lot of time and resources but it's in the making. The pop-up functionality won't be able to get sorted in the mobile in the near function as it's not supported, but the desktop pop-up warning for going over the limit will be faster for us to develop.
Mike
The rule is bullshit, but you didn't make it and I doubt you (you, as in Bitstarz) could change it even if you wanted. Right? Am I wrong or would a decision like that be made by the same people that are running many other casinos ( Direx N.V. or Softswiss maybe?, or are they the same people? ) It may seem like a normal rule every casino has to you, but I can assure you that you will only find it at unregulated casinos, or casinos that might as well be unregulated from a players perspective. Let's just assume that "Bitstarz" really wants to be an honest Casino and for some reason they aren't allowed to change this max bet rule. If they were to take the following three steps, I think they would have a valid argument that what their doing isn't wrong or require any (omg) technical implementation. 1.) Tell every single player that violates the rule.Correct me if I'm wrong, but, if a player deposits $500, receives a bonus, and loses it playing $10 hands of blackjack, you don't bother to let him know his $500 was torched the minute the first card was dealt, do you? What if he does it 20 more times over the next year before finally getting lucky and clearing the bonus with a balance of $5k? See where I'm going with this? See how fucked up it is to do this to your players? 2.) Put the same amount of effort into making sure players are aware your deposit bonuses as they are this max bet rule. Right now a lawyer could easily spend hours studying your terms and conditions and not even be aware this rule exists. Don't believe me? Scroll down to the bottom of your site (where the t&c are traditionally found) Click on terms and conditions and read the whole thing. https://www.bitstarz.com/terms Wow, you're fast!, that was 4,506 words. The word "bonus" was used 17 times. No mention of max bet rule though. Not even a link to somewhere else that mentions it. Maybe in the FAQ that has a separate "Bonus Section"? Nope, not even under FAQ: Bonuses ("Why are you keeping my money?" might be a good one to add) To find this max bet rule, one must click on "Terms and Condition" that's found in the promo advertisements. (Not the bottom of the page) These seperate T&C are 2,059 words long, the rule can be found around word #1,578. Until the play through requirements have been met, the maximum bet that can be placed is 5 EUR/GBP/USD/CAD/AUD, 50 SEK/NOK. When it comes to Bitcoin players the maximum bet is 25 mBTC (0.025 BTC). (25 mbtc is like 14 euro btw) Also you're banners need to looks something like this: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.gyazo.com%2Fc12d2d3b3cdc8b92bbff3462628b02eb.png&t=663&c=xMSkTnHhhdFVDA) PS: There's a bunch of other little scummy non-transparent tactics I found if you're interested. Other casinos start ignoring me about now so, thought I'd ask.
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It's pretty frustrating when a casino tries to get away with treating players so shitty by simply ignoring them. But if you just spam nonsense then you will only discredit yourself which ultimately helps them.
Rational, honest posts are the only way you to have any hope of holding a site like PD pocketdice (guess we shouldn't call them PD lol) accountable.
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If accusers don't take the time to properly make the accusation with the proof, why should I spend time doing it for them? Many won't even leave a Negative. Got it now?
Don't do it for them, do it for the next new guy the scammer runs into.
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You're asking for people to invest in your site and you're sharing your gross revenue data.
Why won't you provide the break down of total deposits/cashouts etc.?
I'm confused.
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