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Perfect! I'm going to post it in the WO thread when the moment feels right, if you haven't already. Saw this one today, by Vic Berger, who is more or less a video artist. He's definitely in the same vein of bizzareness as Tim and Eric. https://twitter.com/VicBergerIV/status/1230721086221737984BREAKING: Donald Trump got too high and died at a rally tonight. Fans in the room mistook the choking for one of his famous comedy routines, but it turned out he wasn't joking around this time. #RIPDonaldTrump |
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You had me until here.
I don't care to make this about me when it's so obviously all about you.
LOL.
What the hell is this?
Techy is hypocritical, like Greta.
Oh, now that Vod is here, we have everybody I think TS has named as being part of the Clown Car. However, the definition is still open to including every DT member that potentially pisses off TS at some point. This whole debate looks very much like the "Pro-Guns vs Anti-Guns" debate...
Guns have legitimate uses
Guns can be used for non-legitimate purposes
Trust Ratings have legitimate uses
Trust Ratings can be used for "non-legitimate" purposes
From where I sit, the issue is NOT the Trust Rating system... The real issue is the way some people are using it... People misuse/abuse things in life all the time, but it doesn't make the thing "bad" per se.
Are there not methods to deal with users who are misusing trust? That is to say, exclusions/DT 'voting' etc? Perhaps it is these methods of "checks and balances" that need to be examined and/or modified if they are not proving effective.
This is a very rational assessment. However, the different of opinion many of us have is when it comes to defining what "misuse" of trust means. Some times its quite clear cut; other times its not. I don't care for the whole randomness factor (the "Theymos Snap" as I call it) that determines who is an entrant into DT1 each month, but other than that, I think the system of "checks and balances" works decently well and is not likely to get much better than it currently is. Now of course TS and perhaps others are going to say that I like it as is because it "favors" me, but I'd like to think it only does so because my use of the system remains within the general bounds of what is considered to be acceptable. The whole point of the system remaining open and flexible in its current state is to allow the DT community (which is frequently evolving) as a whole to decide what acceptable use of the trust system is. Of course, not everybody is going to agree on everything, and there will always exist minority and majority opinions, as should be the case. I tend to go by what is listed here, which is an outline developed around previously-held discussions, and then modified after ongoing discussions in that thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5099391.msg49306851#msg49306851I am absolutely against setting rigid standards because then we are reliant on a single entity to set and enforce said standards, which is something theymos has been trying to get away from for quite some time. |
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You had me until here.
I don't care to make this about me when it's so obviously all about you.
LOL.
What the hell is this?
Awesome, as its core members are all representing, the Clown Car is fully formed! - MOB RULE - STAZI POLICE - GESTAPPO TACTICS - CHILL EFFECT GO!!!! But I would really like to understand this seemingly crucial aspect, if TS could address it I would be most appreciative: I would also like to know who gets to decide what counts as an "objective standard".
Seems that if are short of court-produced documentation, it could potentially be a highly subjective matter. |
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He's highly annoying and sometimes a flat-out troll but on occasion I've been forced to learn something just to be able to counter his bullshit, so in that way, I don't mind, and as previously echoed in this thread I think he's mainly harmless. Franky will always lose his marbles when it comes to anything related to LN. Unfortunately for him, his arguments are really pathetic and most of the time when he enters discussions he has no clue about what he is talking, no wonder he was banned from certain sections fo the forum. I remember when he was explaining to me how profitable an s15 is he said that if you have one of the 1 million s15 forming of the global hashrate, when your pool mines a block you will also get 1/1mil of the reward, and obviously zero when it doesn't mine a block.  Oh and the dams that can be built endlessly on every river because we can simply dig the river bed to sea level.... Don't you care about major lightning nodes running fractional reserve banking based on the rounding of millisats???  Best is to ignore him when it comes to his usual drama!
Too bad, if we ignore his segwit/LN/bitmain problems he is a decent guy.
This is also true. |
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Coinbase VISA - I’m an early adopter, had it 3 weeks   Your fingernails look a lot like mine.  (Covering my name)
HAKT!  |
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but then i figure if folks like me we not actually using bitcoin what good is it?
so, no regerts.
 Fuckin' a dude. If nobody uses said commodity for its intended purpose, it is indeed no different from a Ponzi scheme. I can't help but think if there was more people with your mindset, Bitcoin would have arrived to a greater degree within the mainstream than it currently has. However, it is doing just fine, so hodlers HODL on, if you must. I'd be a millionaire by now if I didn't keep spending 0.1BTC here, 0.05BTC there on takeaways and stuff over the years. I like to think I helped the cause. Though in reality, it probably ended up in the hands of whales :/ If you are in the accumulation phase of your bitcoin, then any spending of bitcoin should be obviously considered as having a replacement (a subsequent buy). Once you get to your maintenance or liquidation phase, then you are likely to have a bit more flexibility, which might allow you to consider the size and/or portion of your bitcoin a little bit differently, and surely maintenance means what it's name implies..... In other words, no matter what phase you are in, you should be considering how you are spending your money in terms of gresham's law, and of course, spending the worse monies first, and if you are really depleting the size of your bitcoin holdings because of spending, then you likely have invested too much into bitcoin.... I am not saying that there is NOT any value in spending bitcoin, and I have spent some and found some value in trying to play around or figure out the bitcoin ecosystem in that direction... ... and so spending bitcoin would merely amount to whatever it's dollar value at the time, and so who fucking cares if it would add up to a $million right now.. because you still have to live, and most people can only stock so much away into investing, anyhow. Right, I mean this all makes sense to me, but at the end of the day, Bitcoin's utility is what gives it its value. Gold doesn't have value just because it is scarce, it has value because you can do cool and/or useful shit with it. If everybody just HODLs bitcoin and nobody actually uses it, then we have a Tragedy of the Commons type situation on our hands where everyone is acting out of selfish interest at the expense of the common good, which inevitably dooms everybody. Then there's this line of reasoning which I think is also relevant:  |
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at this point, a "scam buster" need only make an unproven or arbitrary accusation, point to the accusation in a trust page reference, and get a few of his buddies to agree---that's the standard for red trust now. proof of wrongdoing is never a requirement.
This has always been the case. You quoted and re-quoted the word "proactive" -- this means taking action before people have actually been scammed. As such, you can't have "proof" of an event that hasn't yet happened. Tags and Level 1 flags are good for this sort of thing. You and TS don't have to approve of it, but you are in the vast minority here. |
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SUGGESTED INCLUSIONS:
iCEBREAKER
You had me until here. The person who posts feedback like this: Nudilah is a Dash shill who apologies for Evan's massive Instamine (see his buttkissing Trust entry) and spreads FAKE NEWS about competing projects (see Reference link).
Nudilah also viciously attacks the motivations of people questioning multi-year delay of Dash's previously announced i2p and Masternode Blinding features. A good example of red-tagging people for opinions. Not a good example of "standard of evidence of theft, violation of contractual agreement, or violation of applicable laws [...] documented in an objective and observable way". LOL. This did immediately come to mind when I read the OP in this thread. Pretty objectively certain this is why TS likes him: If TECSHARE doesn't deserve Default Trust, almost nobody does.
I'd like to see what TECSHARE's trust rating is at default trust compared to what it will be when including and excluding those in his SUGGESTIONS. And I would also like to know who gets to decide what counts as an "objective standard". |
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A couple of things that could probably be expanded upon are Gang Signs and Beefs/Alliances. I think the WO Gang is the only gang with a true gang sign, which is of course the letters W and O made in this fashion:  Examples of Beefs/Alliances might include an occasional beef between Cult of Lauda and WO Gang, and the general alliance (more like overlap) of Cult of Lauda and Nullian Gang. I question the legitimacy/existence of a few gangs because I don't think they're even aware they're a gang - they frontin poser busters - but thats OK, maybe this thread will strengthen everybody's divide and allegiances, LOL.  |
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Glad to see that I’m not mentioned in any gang related thing, cause indeed there is only one true gang on BTCT the one with the largest history You are a WO gang best gang member. Just because they don't acknowledge us yet doesn't mean we don't exist. I move to make the distinction between the WO Gang and the Hat Gang, the latter being a subset of the former, in that you actually have to be wearing a Homer Hat in order to be a member of the Hat Gang (as well as post regularly in the WO thread). Here is the first reference to Hat Gang that I can find: ^ lfc ?fell off list?
In a sig campaign - can’t wear one atm. 0.01 BTC a week, I know it’s not a lot but money is money! It ends in 3 weeks & no guarantee it’ll be extended so if it’s not I will be in the HAT gang! Really that's the same reason why I'm not currently a member. Though I do prefer Clown Car because we have much clearer goals and initiatives. |
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5. The Clown Carter, also known as " The Car Clowns" Supreme Leader: unknown. Known members and adulators (wannabees): allegedly, all the DT members or, at least, those close to marlboroza. Reputation: allegedly, nepotistic, abusive, arbitrary, and destructive to the overall community. Activity: allegedly, keeping TECSHARE away from DT1. ANN: none. First mention: September 10th, 2019, 00:44:36. Misc: apparently, these gang members like to travel crammed inside a small car. Emblem: none. Word, thanks for the recognition. We don't have a leader but just operate according to an anarchic, transitory Mob Rule, kind of like the Time Bandits.  "Look, do you want to be the leader of this gang?" "No, we agreed no leader." "Right. So shut up and do as I say." |
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but then i figure if folks like me we not actually using bitcoin what good is it?
so, no regerts.
Fuckin' a dude. If nobody uses said commodity for its intended purpose, it is indeed no different from a Ponzi scheme. I can't help but think if there was more people with your mindset, Bitcoin would have arrived to a greater degree within the mainstream than it currently has. However, it is doing just fine, so hodlers HODL on, if you must. |
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whatever man, you're nuts if you think i'm reading all that. you win, OK?
until next time.
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 ITS OVER 9600!!! She looks more like a cute little pill bug wearing a tracker than a Vegeta  she looks to me like screaming constantly: "pls f**k me". sorry for my bad thoughts! I'm just a man with primitive instincts.  On one hand, you're definitely a man with primitive instincts. On the other hand, there's probably some truth to those words.
I'm thinking BCH might make a good shorting opportunity in the near future. But like all things its price is largely correlated with BTC. |
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Not that this makes me any better than anyone at anything. It just made me personally involved with countless victims. We are talking about all kinds of losses - from very small to very detrimental (almost going bankrupt) because of Gavin (and others). I can't say "it's okay, what has happened has happened" after witnessing this. I am not asking you to hate him or to vilify him, but I ask you to also consider why people like me have the perspective on him that we do - and why we must act on it, as not acting on it would represent a fundamental self-betrayal (and that of the victims we had a chance to interact with).
OK, fair enough. I see where you're coming from. The problem is that Faketoshi has become such a sore point for many that even the perception of a partial endorsement needs to be challenged. Have to be really careful about how we word things now. Your clarification makes sense to me, so I hope that's as far as it goes. I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that this is not something users will start falling out over on a regular basis.
Somehow this: So Gavin believes there's an equal chance that Craig is a "master scammer." The narrative that he completely believes Wright is Satoshi has been bogus since before BSV was even an idea. Either way, he clearly says Wright should be ignored. You never see BSVers talk about this blog entry when they talk about Gavin, its always a YouTube clip of an interview he gave _before_ he wrote this post.
got misconstrued into meaning this: You are defending him because he says there’s an “equal chance” that Craig Wright is either a scammer or Satoshi!?
I suppose I should have just answered the question by saying "no." |
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Truth be told, Gavin did far more for bitcoin than you and I ever have and ever will so if the man wants to have an opinion, let him have it.
Sorry, but you are wrong on this one. He never apologized for the things he did, and somewhat still supports them or never retracted his support properly. By letting stuff like this happen we are strengthening, and actually encourging attacks and loss of funds that happened to to common Joe believing people like him - Yes, Gavin is both directly and indirectly responsible for uncountable financial damage. Back before these things actually were happening, I was spamming on the forum and people privately left and right to save as many individuals from being burned by the orchestrated scam as I could..
There is a very good difference between the past Gavin (pre-attacks) and the current one. The former deserves much credit and trust, the latter neither. Don't "godify" somebody and/or their contributions just because they were a decent software engineer at the right place and the right time, by chance.. How am I wrong? You're saying nullius had more involvement with the fundamental development of bitcoin than Gavin? Or you mean I'm wrong that he shouldn't be able to have an opinion that Craig might be Satoshi (with the caveat that he also might just be some random scammer, and in either instance he should be ignored)? Nobody's "godifying" anybody. What I did was use Gavin's final words on the subject to demonstrate that there exists some doubt in his mind that Craig is Satoshi, whereas BSV supporters believe there is none and go around misrepresenting his actual beliefs. Then nullius construed my post to be a defense of Gavin which needed to be attacked, which was both insulting and stupid because it was nothing of the sort. I 100% believe that Gavin got duped, and even he admitted that was a possibility, and knowing what you already know about my post history here its ludicrous to entertain the idea for 1 second I am defending his 50% belief that Wright is Satoshi. I hope that's not what you were actually thinking. Regardless, what happened already happened and there's no changing the past. Shitting on Gavin now isn't going to change anything for the better. Shitting on him for not yet completely taking back his words on Wright isn't going to change anything either. |
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I'm also a bit oldfashioned but you might have missed that metrosexual is not a thing anymore, in fact since about ten years or so.  Jesus, you're right, it was ten years ago! Time fucking flies. I remember in 2010 being disappointed that we hadn't found any monoliths yet, and we still haven't found a single one. ITS OVER 9600!!! |
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Pretty weak. Rog has no class. "I heard it was true, and am skeptical of Greg’s denial, but will take his word for it unless I hear differently from another source." |
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