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541  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: November 11, 2013, 03:53:17 PM
But of course the jobs report is meaningless. The Fed will not taper.

Well, that is the way I would bet. But we are seeing signs of a bubble in stocks and what not... Not exactly a great thing.

I am still waiting for someone to say "permanently high plateau".....
542  Economy / Speculation / Re: If chinese bulls can cause this madness, what can chinese bears do? on: November 11, 2013, 03:13:33 PM
LOL, pathetic bearish trolls patting each other's back to get a bit of comfort.

The Chinese Gov may crackdown on Bitcoin purchase, but look at how well did that work out with the VPN fire-wall trespassing industry, which they have been waging a war against for years? The Taobao merchants could simply change the names of the virtual goods for sale to whatever that can elude the authorities, as long as you can't shutdown Taobao(which is impossible because it's solely responsible for the creation of tens of millions of jobs), I predict we will see an army of Bitcoin selling agents willing to take over the job of exchanges in China.

They can put on monetary control has well, but they have also cracked down on "illegal fund-raising" for years, even meting out death penalties sometimes, but the usury business is as prosperous as well,  investors in China are just desperate for investment options, not to say practically anyone with power in this nation can be bribed.

The commies may eventually be successful in shutting down mining operations or blocking their connection with the network at large, it will have hardly any influence on how Chinese purchase Bitcoins. And it's entirely workable to just outsource the mining work to the legions of Chinese living overseas.



543  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 11, 2013, 12:52:35 AM
gox people are ultra-bulls because they are willing to take chances because money is almost impossible to get out of there.

stamp are the middle, bit nervous but basically the real average

btc-e are total bears, kills them to be in triple digits
the third point becomes less true in strong rallies and more true in deep corrections.....btc-e traders are definitely a panicky crowd one the trend shows any sign of changing.

Can anyone explain why anyone would sell on Btc-e for less than they could get on Stamp?  Is it because of trading between LTC and others or something?

It's difficult to get USD into Russia.
544  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-08 ZDNET Why dollars are better than bitcoins (and always will be) on: November 11, 2013, 12:20:28 AM
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If you have to purchase a currency in order to buy stuff that you can buy anyway, there's something screwy about that.

This is perhaps the most true. But one must understand the important reasons why this is, instead of just traducing it. There are issues related to charge backs, credit scores, privacy, transcending legal boundaries, and a train of other reasons.

There is more to Bitcoin than just buying "stuff."

That  is pure fantasy disguised as truth, I can't buy most goods sold in China with U.S currency, your visa/master cards just don't work there, and vice versa. While with bitcoins, I can signup and charge any local payment system as long as there are local people willing to exchange for bitcoins.

What exactly are you arguing against? The original author of the piece is not making the argument you are making. The argument against Bitcoin is why would someone purchase Bitcoin with his or her local currency to buy goods or services instead of buying them directly? You can't buy goods in China with US dollars but you can buy goods in the US with US dollars. So if this is the case, why exchange them for bitcoins, when they can be used directly?

I gave my reasons above.

I argue exactly against the original author: you indeed can't buy some goods in USD which you can buy in Bitcoin. There are a lot of things you want which are simply not available locally in a nation, and it's a well known fact that global corporations price their products vastly different in different nations, in combination with a freight forwarder, Bitcoin avails you to buy things you couldn't buy, this is not just a theoretical possibility, it's something immediately practicable after a bit of investigation.
545  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2013-11-08 ZDNET Why dollars are better than bitcoins (and always will be) on: November 11, 2013, 12:05:48 AM
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If you have to purchase a currency in order to buy stuff that you can buy anyway, there's something screwy about that.

This is perhaps the most true. But one must understand the important reasons why this is, instead of just traducing it. There are issues related to charge backs, credit scores, privacy, transcending legal boundaries, and a train of other reasons.

There is more to Bitcoin than just buying "stuff."

That  is pure fantasy disguised as truth, I can't buy most goods sold in China with U.S currency, your visa/master cards just don't work there, and vice versa. While with bitcoins, I can signup and charge any local payment system as long as there are local people willing to exchange for bitcoins.
546  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 01:48:06 PM
After reading this thread I conclude that we have two kinds of speculators here: bulls, and ultrabulls.
547  Economy / Economics / Re: How Bitcoin might destroy another entire industry! on: November 10, 2013, 11:08:52 AM
"Sort of have to"?  Please describe the process by which you see this happening?  That's assuming one can prove that the coins in a certain address belong to a certain person or entity.

Theoretically , it can't be done. The only case till now , shows it can be done. Irony isn't it?

If you are even as careless as someone who leaves his real-name E-mail address on a public website, then yes.... Roll Eyes
548  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: November 10, 2013, 08:43:09 AM
The U.S Constitution has historically worked generally well, but people living 200 years ago can't just predict everything, when it comes to Bitcoin it is starting to show signs of failure at least.(I am talking about U.S Constitution because it has been long considered to be the model of constitutions, but the conclusion should apply in many other nations as well)

The election system is based on the assumption that people with a common local interest, be they live in the same county or state, could send a delegate to the national or local Congress, elect local administrators, who will create and promulgate laws that reflect the influence of such local interests. Everything you seriously care about is supposed to happen locally, you can always try to find some local people who share a particular concern, and those who want to get elected may try to get your votes by promising to address him to your concern once he is elected, democracy is thus accomplished.

But now is the age of the internet, we form communities online, it's entirely possible that many people share more common interests with those in the same online community, than their neighbours. Yet this was out of the scope of the U.S Constitution:the number of a online community could be as much as the population of a state, but at the same time have little influence whatsoever on the government policies because without geographical concentration their votes simply don't matter. This wasn't an issue in the beginning, as the majority of people use internet for obtaining information and to procure services from particular internet companies, any issue originating from such uses of internet are unlikely to turn political, as long as the freedom of speech is protected and there is enough market competition, if Google screws up their customers, one competitor will raise to replace it, hardly anything to do with the government.

The decentralized P2P distribution network and BitTorrent changed things a bit, record and movie industries have got big backings, the "anti-priacy" issue didn't become part of local political debates for many years, which gives the industries' agents in the Hill much leeway to push through some very harsh bills to go after the supposed "pirates". The sheer number of "pirated" music users is too large (who doesn't like free music anyway?) however, eventually, some of the harshest measures are not implemented(SOPA, PIPA, etc).

Bitcoin is something entirely different. It's a direct challenge to the long taking for granted government monopoly on currency, and the whole financial industry backing it, yet on the hand there is very little chance for Bitcoin supporters to change the system from inisde: we are entirely linked together by the internet, geographically sparse and far apart, many of us remain anonymous, our votes simply don't count, I am expecting a uphill battle to be fought against the government/governments, if we win over them in the end, it would be a entirely new way for people to approach the governments.
549  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 05:20:04 AM
In my three years following this market I have never seen such a unimpressive dump, period.

no it was good dump...

its cuz you've been here so long your become desensitized to price swings

To stall the market for a while, the down volume should at least be larger than the daily up volume of the previous run-up, now it's only at around 50%.....I expect at least 100K BTCs, so far there has been no more than 20K.
550  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 05:14:27 AM
In my three years following this market I have never seen such a unimpressive dump, period.
551  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 05:02:29 AM
But...but, teh China, teh ATM, teh Paypal. It's different this time...right?

Nope. Bitcoin is going to be a volatile crazy ride for years to come.

That's how disruptive new voluntary technology works.

For something started at $0, yet immensely useful, of course!

Had Google/Facebook/Twitter's IPO prices being $0, we would have seen the same kind of crazy ride, just much more volatile.
552  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 05:00:43 AM
The banks are doing everything to hit their own feet, a really effective way to kill bitcoin would have been improving the speed they process their transactions, rendering Bitcoin's advantages useless, instead they have been trying to block fiat transfers more arbitrarily.
553  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 04:49:31 AM
buy & hold always work guys  Grin

Like...for the last 5 years? Cheesy
554  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 04:48:20 AM
At least the exchanges are holding up this time around. The damage is much less and I can day-trade. Great BTC returns today.

Mmmm well... BTCChina down, Gox with a 20 minutes lag when started to crash... Not really holding up very well.. I wonder if we are being atacked once again... Definitely, it is really odd to randomly see Incapsula page when trying to access BTCChina..

BTCChina is not down in China, the only place matters.
555  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 04:45:56 AM
Come out, all broken clocks, it's the day of your life! Tongue
556  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Uh oh, btcchina.com is down. on: November 10, 2013, 02:54:54 AM
Test with a Chinese and a UK IP, both working.
557  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: November 10, 2013, 02:18:03 AM
If this is all that the bears can achieve on a SUnday, I could say our hope of buying more at a cheaper price is pretty dim.
558  Economy / Speculation / Re: Gold collapsing. Bitcoin UP. on: November 10, 2013, 02:09:57 AM
Very interesting video that I watched recently.Take the time to watch.
The Ascent of Money: A Financial History of The World by Niall Ferguson Epsd. 1-5 (Full Documentary)

better yet, read the book.  it's good.

I haven't really read his book, but the leftist side seems to dislike him a lot for his supposedly "imperialistic" views.
559  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can anyone post an exhaustive list of bad things Bitcoin is doing to this world? on: November 09, 2013, 03:13:31 PM
Oh yeah, Satoshi should really have started an IPO and sold Bitcoins at an initial price of $45/BTC, like what Twitter just did, he shouldn't have allowed the early adopters to get them nearly for free, right.
560  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Days destroyed on: November 09, 2013, 01:32:13 PM
Large DD=lots of coins which have been put in cold storage are being moved=something big about to happen.
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