Hey, what happened to the "c"?
c didn't fit in. I fired him.  That's why. |
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The idea's been floating around for a while now, and now's the time to enact it. I think we all tire of the threads of Meta, and the countless amount of spam flooding up there. This will be a list of signature spammers: people who post garbage, recycled content, copy & paste, insubstantial replies, or anything else that would be a detriment to the forum. I'll be using something similar to mexxer-2's thread of "Known alts" for a layout. I would also like to note that long-worded posts can also be spam if they have no relevance to the conversation or recycle ideas and repeat things over and over again. The list will include past spammers, but note the date of the reference. If they have started to post better content again, a snippet will be added to their notes upon notification. A lot of how what is considered spam IS subjective, but it should be pretty obvious to the majority of people if something is spam or not. Usually, burst posting (many posts within a short time frame) is a sure bet sign of spamming. Post history will be marked with a number to show the number of posts they have at the point of reference. (The initial list is a few spammers I've compiled, from other threads or what have you. I will obviously be missing a grand chunk, so please add more! I will also be aiming to add more to the list somewhat regularly)
Copy & Paste Spammers
General Spammers
| | | Username | | | Reference | | | Submitted by | | | Notes | | | | | | johnnyyash | | | Post history (67) | | | rizzlarolla | | | Posts within bursts | | | | | | Totalrefund | | | Banned for "insubstantial posts + sig ad" - TotalreturnFund | | | Themself (alt) | | | Previously banned, posts are still questionable, bitvest signature | | | | | | traderethereum | | | Post history (97) | | | Myself | | | Lots of posts on spam threads | | | | | | chixka000 | | | Post history (567) | | | Myself | | | Posts are sent within a few minutes of each other | | | | | | dunfida | | | Post history (467) | | | Myself | | | Posts are within a few minutes of each other, clearly spam | | | | | | Hide_ip112 | | | Post history (300) | | | Myself | | | Loves to quote and agree, adding pointless information | | | | | | lite | | | Post history (1610) | | | Myself | | | Part of FortuneJack campaign, agrees often, quotes always | | | | | | Positid | | | Post history (818) | | | Myself | | | Multiple lines of rehashed content, worthless to "discussion" in threads | | | | | | YuginKadoya | | | Post history (1550) | | | Myself | | | In bitvest.io campaign, repeatedly posts on same megathreads | | | | | | ShrykeZ | | | Post history (628, page 2) | | | Anonymous | | | User makes pointless comments in spam threads, agrees or disagrees | | | | | | apollofire | | | Post history (157) | | | Anonymous | | | Politics & Society make up 87% of posts, responds with general comments | | | | | | Javi_Anibarro | | | Post history (121) | | | Anonymous | | | Mostly off-topic, no signature campaign | | | | | | catch.me.if.you.can | | | Post history (602, page 2) | | | Anonymous | | | Copies long paragraphs and sources, or writes one line of useless content | | | | | | Bitcoinpro | | | Post history (2903) | | | Anonymous | | | Trolly behavior found in both one-liners and longer posts | | | | | | Ewinsane | | | Post history (105) | | | Anonymous | | | "Agrees" often, posted 10 times in 15 minutes | | | | | | skysblu | | | Post history (56) | | | Your Point is Invalid | | | "Agrees" often, posts short pointless replies | | | | | | TraderETH | | | Post history (304) | | | Anonymous | | | General comments, no substance | | | | | | LegendaryMiner | | | Post history (278) | | | Anonymous | | | All one-liners across 3+ pages, no substance, posted 4 times in 10 minutes, Decent Foundation signature | | | | | | pearnapple | | | Post history (596) | | | Anonymous | | | "Agree" posts, one-liners for 200+ posts, posted 6 times in 11 minutes, IDSOption signature | | | | | | Script3d | | | Post history (139) | | | Anonymous | | | Posts two replies within 4-6 minutes, insubstantial one-liners morphed into multiple lines, IDSOption signature | | | | | | deadpoolx | | | Post history (490) | | | Anonymous | | | General one-liners, posted 3 times in 8 minutes, Decent Foundation signature | | | | | | dmarine | | | Post history (62) | | | Anonymous | | | One-liners, posts excessively: 3 times in 8 minutes, 4 times in 8 minutes | | | | | | Cloverdale | | | Post history (346) | | | Anonymous | | | Recycled content, "feedback", answering an answered question, vague posts | | | | | | dezoel | | | Post history (2460) | | | Anonymous | | | Recycled, one-liners, agree posts, same as always | | | | | | awesome31312 | | | Post history (2145) | | | Anonymous | | | Lots of useless crap, 3 posts within 4 minutes! :O | | | | | | hurain | | | Re: If I have multiple accounts, whether it will be banned? | | | Myself | | | One-liner central, absolutely worthless posts | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |
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Awaiting input on these users:
If there are any complaints or suggestions for anything that could make the list better, please reply or PM me. If there's something on the list that you don't like, feel free to respond with reasons of why. Hopefully, now we won't get all that spam in Meta. However, any post that vaguely talks about how this list is good or will help in some way will be removed. That does not contribute to this. Only add someone, suggest how to make it better, or refute a spammer status.
Layout for submission: Username: [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=]name[/url]
Reference: (or post history and post count)
Spam type:
Notes: (if any)
Spam types: Recycled content: This is the big one. This is the most common one and likely to crossover through all the spammers on the list. Recycled content means that the user is not contributing any more to the discussion than there already is - you are using previous ideas, or content that has (or may have) been stated in the past, or are saying something that is common sense and obvious. For example, if you're just "agreeing" with somebody. That's worthless to the topic. A lot of spammers try to reply with seemingly constructive content with multiple lines, but in reality it's just recycled. Spam thread: Posting mostly or solely on spam megathreads (which are the threads with vague titles and simple replies, you know which they are) is a basis for spam. There is no discussion to be had there, or if there was, it would've been long completed within the first 3 pages or less. Anything further than that is completely worthless and the reply should not be counted as constructive. This can be applied to multi-line content. Copy & paste: Copying someone's content from elsewhere; plagiarism; paraphrasing someone's words from earlier in the topic or somewhere from the internet One-liners: One line of text, usually agreeing, saying something that has already been said, or bringing up a worthless question or pointless statement. Note that worthless content can be rehashed in multiple lines to seem like it's relevant, but in reality is not. Important to note: If the user appears to have simply read the title and posted without at the very least skimming through the earlier replies, that should be considered as spam. There is no effort there to try and be constructive but not repetitious, and that should not be condoned. This however would have to apply multiple times.
Help is more appreciated than donations, though those are appreciated as well. If you would like to donate, please donate to xkcd's address: 14Tr4HaKkKuC1Lmpr2YMAuYVZRWqAdRTcr (Or mine, found on my profile.) |
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i think this not a good idea. you must give them only a feedback on their trust and not expose them publicly. because all members have a freedom on what they do. they didn't scam people and you never know that what if the accused didn't know that he/she already spamming? we have different interpretation on spamming. but this is not a big deal unless they spam censored words or flammy. but if it not the case. i think you don't have the right to post it here publicly. this is the job of moderator. Even the moderator didn't expose the user who committed spam so why do you? i appreciate your act. but this is too harsh. Just saying, because we are all human, and we can't avoid to do mistake. Personally when im newbie, i committed also spam and the mods delete my post. as simply as that. That's why we have mods here.  Wow. Quoting the giant block of text. Anyway, what's wrong with talking about spammers? They are posting publicly, with non-constructive and insubstantial replies which are a detriment to the forum. This list has references to their posts. There are clear rules. The first rule is literally, "1. No zero or low value, pointless or uninteresting posts or threads." All of the users here that I have put on the list, in my opinion, have pointless posts and most post on pointless threads. If they have a problem, they can inform me and show me why they're not spamming. Why they're contributing to the discussion. He is trying to contribute to the community/forum by identifying who are those who are just taking advantage of the signature campaign . Instead of us saying he is just looking for attention lets do our part as well to clean up the forum.
OP there's a thread like this but it's posted in Meta and it gets the attention of hilariousandco and when he did, he usually take action, I think it's much better if it's moved to that section.
Thanks for the support, but I think Reputation is a better section. Meta is for forum discussion, but Reputation made more sense in my mind. If it has to be moved to Meta, then sure. But I think here is fine. Be specific on your accusation there so you would not create any commotion among those listed above, And the big question is why are you doing this? You want to be on dt2 list? Or you just make it just to earn positive trust score to the dt2 members? Or you just want to earn sympathy and make your name create some noise here? what i am seeing here is you only want some attention  How come you instantly are thinking that I have some sort of ulterior motive? It's a list to help better the forum. Do you know how much better it would be if all those megathreads were closed, or at the very least devoid of spammers? If you go into Bitcoin Discussion, Economics, Speculation, Gambling (especially Gambling) onto any thread with a high number of pages, you'll see every single post is just garbage and spam. Understand that I wish for that to end. Even Meta sometimes gets signature spammers around. I'd like to nominate wine132, who is currently applying for the secondstrade campaign, and even though he might not get accepted, he will no doubt try others and contin. to befoul this fine forum. I have reported some of his posts already.
Specifically, this user's posts have no capitalization, no punctuation, are in poor English, and repeat the same thing over and over while daying absolutely nothing. The posts are rushed and obviously done only to get paid.
Soon to come. Also, clean up your own posts a bit. |
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And, the odds against hitting the "Bad Girl" jackpots are much greater than the odds against hitting the "Good Girl" jackpots; that's why the smaller, "Good Girl," jackpots were hit most often. Furthermore, nothing in the data demonstrates that everybody was playing for the larger jackpot; in fact, the data shows quite the opposite; there were MANY people playing for the smaller, much easier to trigger, "Good Girl" jackpots, and fewer players playing for the larger, much harder to trigger, "Bad Girl" jackpots.
Nothing proves the chance for hitting the "Bad Girl" jackpots are lower. In fact, you even state, "there were MANY people playing for the smaller... "Good Girl" jackpots". Don't you think that the Good Girl jackpots were hit because they were played more often, rather than the odds being lower? Furthermore, why are you using information from a source you've deemed wrong? We've already shown the graphs were from Casinolistings, and their data. Also, you want to notice how Bovada has no recorded wins for 5 cent, 10 cent, 25 cent, and $1? (Like shown on the graph) Good job switching the topic from Greedy Goblins' contradiction with Betcoin ToS to now just BetSoft issues, which you for some reason are refuting.
Last thing to point out: previously you were saying that people would rather pay for the larger jackpot. Well, then why would it be that the data shows more have gone for the two cent games instead of the higher coin games? |
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Would it not be a pure 50/50 chance (ie. "fair") regardless of where you started?
There are an even number of chambers and 2 players, so each player will have 3 chambers that they could potentially use. Regardless of who goes first, each player has an equal number of chambers assigned to them, so after the spin, both players have an equal chance of having a bullet in one of their chambers.
And because you can't change which chambers you have (no spinning) the odds of getting a bullet overall don't change from 50/50.
That is correct answer! But we got a greater challenge for you: This one is die hard. Imagine that you and your opponent start with 1 bullet loaded into the 6 slot. After each try you load one more bullet to the chamber, spin again and pass the pistol to your opponent. QUESTION: Do you prefer to start as first, or shoot in second turn? Going to try the thing I did last time. Tired so I'm probably wrong, rounded to first decimal. R1: P1 has a 1/6 chance to die. (16.6%) R2: 5/6 chance to happen, 2/6 chance to shoot, 10/36 -> P2 has a 5/18 chance to die. (27.7%) R3: 5/9 chance to happen, 3/6 chance to shoot, 15/54 -> P1 has a 5/18 chance to die. (27.7%) R4: 5/18 chance to happen, 4/6 chance to shoot, 20/108 -> P2 has a 5/27 chance to die. (18.5%) R5: 5/54 chance to happen, 5/6 chance to shoot, 25/324 -> P1 has a 25/324 chance to die (7.7%) R6: 5/324 chance to happen, 6/6 chance to shoot, 5/324 -> P2 has a 5/324 chance to die (1.5%) Tallying up gives: P1 has a ~52.2% chance of death P2 has a ~47.8% chance of death
Probably wrong, maybe. Someone else can do this better than me. Go second? |
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If you have conclusive evidence of copy n paste activity you should post an img of it per user as well as send to moderators so they can be banned. You also could go ahead and give some better descriptions of infractions by users you feel are spammy. Im not disagreeing but others might. Spam is considered different by each user whos reading a post so it would be better if you were more specific
The copy & paste data as of now has been linked to the reference where rizzlarolla has quoted it. In my large block before the list, I discuss how people recycle ideas and repeat content that has already been stated - recycled content. Posting on spam threads is pretty much automatically this. There is absolutely no point of replying on those spam megathreads with hundreds of pages. That kind of reply would be insubstantial. One-liners are a bit tricky, but the fact of the matter is if a user is only "agreeing" (something spammers love to do) with their one-liner posts, then that is a pointless post. If the user is recycling content (which is the main thing in all of the people on the list thus far) then that again is a pointless post. From now on, I will start archiving the data on archive.is to establish proper proof and provide an easier basis to look at post history. The notes can provide some information about the spammer's behavior, and I plan on including their campaigns (if any). I'll include a section detailing the types of spam, though. Thanks. |
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You have ~1100 posts in ~ 1year - I'm estimating that more than 90% of them is simply attacking betcoin, and countless thread where you attack everyone who doesn't agree with you on the topic of them. For the 100th time, post from your real account please. Given the fact that you're posting only to attack/discredit/troll casino sites, i am certain you have personal interest in it. You have ~1261 posts in ~1 year - I'm estimating that more than 90% of them are useless, and located on those huge threads, right? http://imgur.com/a/pTCjrOh, and here's just a few that I found.
Though now you've moved on to attacking TwitchySeal and defending Betcoin, I see. Surely, they're going to pay you well for those efforts! (Oh, and don't move to ad-hominem attacking me next! As surely, that'll be your way of changing the subject, yes?) |
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Hint: The problem is in how you calculate odds
Ah. My bad. You want to go second. I hadn't miscalculated necessarily, but it was in isolated cases. Here's the revised edition: Round 1: P1 has a 1/6 chance of dying Round 2: has a 5/6 chance of occurring, P2 has a 1/5 chance of dying, which equates to a 1/6 chance of dying. Round 3: has a 4/6 chance of occurring, P1 has a 1/4 chance of dying, which equates to a 1/6 chance of dying. Round 4, 5, and 6 follow the same format. Looks like I screwed up! And you want to be second, since though the odds are the same, P1 COULD shoot themselves on the first round. Though if you average it out it doesn't really matter. Either works.
Alternate solution: go first and shoot your opponent. |
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If there's a thread for reporting spam, unless it's self moderated and posts are archived and moved on that thread after the report is resolved, then that second idea would be open to spam and hard for forum staff and moderators to navigate through.
Spam you say? Hard to navigate you say? Luckily, I've created a solution!A list on the first post - that's what I have. Suggestions can be made. I didn't want to create a self-moderated topic due to possible backlash. Besides, if they're spamming on the anti-spam thread... what do you think is going to happen, exactly? It would be easier for moderators to look through. There's references to show the user's spam. You've not got any replies yet though. If you get, say, 100 replies per day (and there are some random people here who accuse people of spamming for no/little reason), then it's going to be hard to navigate through them. Your start off this will work quite well, though you may want to add something like a donation address so people can reward your efforts when you do well in producing your list that the moderators can see. If they spam on the antispam thread, nothing'll happen unless the moderator of that board is etremely good at spotting the spam or identifying if it is correct or not. 100 replies a day wouldn't take too much time to navigate through - and for those who spam on the thread, they will be added to the list. Random people here may accuse people of spamming, but I have enough time to perhaps skim through some replies. Any names that are already on the list will be ignored (or hopefully the person replying will see), so eventually the amount of replies will be toned down to such a level that it won't matter. There won't be 100 replies a day. I'd expect 20, at most, on a peak day. Albeit there are spammers, not many would report them (or those that do would only have time to find a few) However! It's quite easy to spot spammers, but the formatting would take at least a minute or so (and some people don't have time for that [spammers]). I've personally already put down a few spammers (a lot of them found by simply going to one of the spam megathreads and picking out a random person and their post history) I'm doing this primarily to create a page for signature campaign managers to view for reference (as they can see the sources if they've spammed or not) and perhaps moderators in the future.
I'd recommend you to help out with the endeavor. Every little bit helps! |
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If there's a thread for reporting spam, unless it's self moderated and posts are archived and moved on that thread after the report is resolved, then that second idea would be open to spam and hard for forum staff and moderators to navigate through.
Spam you say? Hard to navigate you say? Luckily, I've created a solution!A list on the first post - that's what I have. Suggestions can be made. I didn't want to create a self-moderated topic due to possible backlash. Besides, if they're spamming on the anti-spam thread... what do you think is going to happen, exactly? It would be easier for moderators to look through. There's references to show the user's spam. |
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The terms state: "Bonus round and free spins do not qualify for the jackpot bonuses pursuant to casino software provider rules. Only real money rounds qualify for the jackpot bonuses." This--> "Bonus round and free spins do not qualify for the jackpot bonuses" and this -->"Only real money rounds qualify for the jackpot bonuses" are not opposing clauses.
Free spins never qualified for the jackpot, in "The Glam Life;" otherwise, the jackpot would have dropped when the combination was hit on the free spin. If free spins don't qualify, shouldn't that be clarified for the player who doesn't understand the difference between "max" and "free" and the mechanisms that link the two to avoid future confusion?
Look: "only max bet spins qualify for the jackpot." "Only," is a big word in law and logic. However, this is what the affiliate shills are trying to demonstrate that clause means: "only max bet spins, but sometimes free spins, qualify for the jackpot," but the word "only" actually really means "only"....it is exclusionary, not inclusionary.
But, this is my point....the affiliate shills, the competitor shills, and the pro-regulatory shills are manipulating the truth, confusing the facts, and recruiting the ignorant to further their own perverted agendas.
Yet again you fail to see my point. The game rules for Greedy Goblins shows that the jackpot can be won with a freeroll. There is the sentence, "Note: JACKPOT CANNOT BE MULTIPLIED" under the freeroll section. The terms of service, however, state that, "Bonus round and free spins do not qualify for the jackpot bonuses". Hence, the game rules are contradictory with the Terms of Service. What is so hard to understand about this? |
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The idea's been floating around for a while now, and now's the time to enact it. I think we all tire of the threads of Meta, and the countless amount of spam flooding up there. This will be a list of signature spammers: people who post garbage, recycled content, copy & paste, insubstantial replies, or anything else that would be a detriment to the forum. I'll be using something similar to mexxer-2's thread of "Known alts" for a layout. I would also like to note that long-worded posts can also be spam if they have no relevance to the conversation or recycle ideas and repeat things over and over again. The list will include past spammers, but note the date of the reference. If they have started to post better content again, a snippet will be added to their notes upon notification. A lot of how what is considered spam IS subjective, but it should be pretty obvious to the majority of people if something is spam or not. Usually, burst posting is a sure bet sign of spamming. Post history will be marked with a number to show the number of posts they have at the point of reference. (The initial list is a few spammers I've compiled, from other threads or what have you. I will obviously be missing a grand chunk, so please add more! I will also be aiming to add more to the list somewhat regularly)
Master List of Spammers
| | | Username | | | Reference | | | Spam type | | | Submitted by | | | Notes | | | | | | kahir | | | Re: Illiterate sig spammers | | | Copy & paste | | | rizzlarolla | | | No signature, word for word copying | | | | | | CryingMidget | | | Re: Illiterate sig spammers | | | Copy & paste | | | rizzlarolla | | | No signature, long recycled content | | | | | | johnnyyash | | | Post history (68) | | | One-liner spam posts | | | rizzlarolla | | | Posts within bursts | | | | | | Totalrefund | | | Banned for "insubstantial posts + sig ad" - TotalreturnFund | | | Recycled content, one-liners | | | Themself (alt) | | | Previously banned, posts are still questionable, bitvest signature | | | | | | traderethereum | | | Post history (97) | | | Recycled content, one-liners | | | Myself | | | Lots of posts on spam threads | | | | | | chixka000 | | | Post history (567) | | | Recycled content, one-liners | | | Myself | | | Posts are sent within a few minutes of each other | | | | | | dunfida | | | Post history (467) | | | One-liners, spam threads, recycled content | | | Myself | | | Posts are within a few minutes of each other, clearly spam | | | | | | Hide_ip112 | | | Post history (300) | | | Recycled content, spam thread posts | | | Myself | | | Loves to quote and agree, adding pointless information | | | | | | lite | | | Post history (1610) | | | One-liners on spam threads | | | Myself | | | Part of FortuneJack campaign, agrees often, quotes always | | | | | | Positid | | | Post history (818) | | | Recycled content, spam threads | | | Myself | | | Multiple lines of rehashed content, worthless to "discussion" in threads | | | | | | YuginKadoya | | | Post history (1550) | | | Recycled content, spam threads | | | Myself | | | In bitvest.io campaign, repeatedly posts on same megathreads | | |
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Awaiting input on these users: - Cloverdale - There are a lot of questions being asked by him (typical spam behavior, pretend to be constructive) yet I'd like to see others' input on his post quality.
- poptok1 - Post quality is seemingly constructive but is recycled content with moderate sized input. Occasionally submits images for contests.
If there are any complaints or suggestions for anything that could make the list better, please reply or PM me. If there's something on the list that you don't like, feel free to respond with reasons of why. Hopefully, now we won't get all that spam in Meta.
Layout for submission: Username: [url=https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=]name[/url]
Reference: (or post history and post count)
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Spam types: Recycled content: This is the big one. This is the most common one and likely to crossover through all the spammers on the list. Recycled content means that the user is not contributing any more to the discussion than there already is - you are using previous ideas, or content that has (or may have) been stated in the past, or are saying something that is common sense and obvious. For example, if you're just "agreeing" with somebody. That's worthless to the topic. A lot of spammers try to reply with seemingly constructive content with multiple lines, but in reality it's just recycled. Spam thread: Posting mostly or solely on spam megathreads (which are the threads with vague titles and simple replies, you know which they are) is a basis for spam. There is no discussion to be had there, or if there was, it would've been long completed within the first 3 pages or less. Anything further than that is completely worthless and the reply should not be counted as constructive. This can be applied to multi-line content. Copy & paste: Copying someone's content from elsewhere; plagiarism; paraphrasing someone's words from earlier in the topic or somewhere from the internet One-liners: One line of text, usually agreeing, saying something that has already been said, or bringing up a worthless question or pointless statement. Note that worthless content can be rehashed in multiple lines to seem like it's relevant, but in reality is not. Important to note: If the user appears to have simply read the title and posted without at the very least skimming through the earlier replies, that should be considered as spam. There is no effort there to try and be constructive but not repetitious, and that should not be condoned. This however would have to apply multiple times.
Help is more appreciated than donations, though those are appreciated as well. If you would like to donate, please donate to xkcd's address: 14Tr4HaKkKuC1Lmpr2YMAuYVZRWqAdRTcr (Or mine, found on my profile.) |
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It is relevant. It is not truthful to pretend that the rules for one game ("Greedy Goblins") apply to another totally different game ("The Glam Life") which has its own rules. The fact is that only max bet spins qualify for the jackpot as was specified in the rules of the REAL game "The Glam Life" and free spins are not max bet spins because "maximum" and "free" have antithetical definitions. Maximum: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/maximum Free: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/freeSee, when one knowingly bases their own information on information that is demonstrably false, then their own conclusions are already demonstrably false. "Only real money rounds qualify for the jackpot bonuses" was Betcoin's phrasing to attempt to solidify their argument of "free spins do not award jackpots". They have that in the sentence prior: "Bonus round and free spins do not qualify for the jackpot bonuses" So, if the terms don't coincide with the game rules, then certainly there's a problem. Which one takes precedence? My arguments have had nothing to do with Glam Life, by the way. I was only arguing about the Terms of Service and the game information. By linking these two, you clearly haven't fully understood what I was stating. |
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You must consider, that if he misses his second shot, then the pistol will be in your hands again!
Ah, but it's a matter of probability. You have a 1/6, then 1/4, then 1/2 chance to shoot yourself if you go first. For your opponent, it's a 1/5, then 1/3, and then 100% chance of shooting themselves. Round 1: You have an 83.333% chance of survival Round 2: Your opponent has an 80% chance of survival. Round 3: The chances of you surviving both round 1 and round 3 (on average) is 62.5% or 15/24 Round 4: The chances of them surviving both round 2 and 4 (on average) is 53.333% or 8/15 Round 5: The chances of you surviving all rounds 1, 3, and 5 is 31.25% or 5/16 Round 6: Your opponent loses, guaranteed. You always have a better chance of survival going first.
I didn't put in the isolated case percentages because that's obvious. (And gambler's fallacy doesn't apply to this case, since future CAN be anticipated if you look at the rounds) |
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I would like the forums opinion on whether I should have won the jackpot. -snip- Of course did you win the Jackpot! Your original bet was a max bet. Then you won 4 max bets with the 3 airplanes on 2 paylines and each of the 4 free spins are technically a max bet. The slot do not run without a bet and whether you paid directly or won the 4 max bets does not play any role for to be eligible for the Jackpot.  -> "Jackpot cannot be multiplied" confirms that Jackpots are eligible during free spins. They can not be multiplied, but they are clearly eligible! Betcoin.ag is of course saying that BetSoft is to blame. Who can I dispute this with? Did you sign a contract with Betsoft? If not, then betcoin.ag would be your contract partner. If you buy a car, the seller is your contract partner and not the producer or software provider! I said betcoin.ag would be your contract partner, because there is no juridical valid contract between you and the domain betcoin.ag or however they call it. So from a juridical point of view, you can consider everything you get from Betcoin as a gift. If you would know who the operator of Betcoin is, then you could sue them in the applicable jurisdiction...  This guy is manipulating the truth again. The image above is not associated with the game in question....He is lying! The game in question was called "The Glam Life" and if you look closely, you'll find that there is no "Elfania" symbol in the "The Glam Life." Instead of double posting for the campaign, why not edit the two into one post?
Ah, but that's right! You need those precious cents!EDIT: Looks like you've finally followed some advice! The fact of the matter is not the game. That's irrelevant. They don't include the exclusivity rule of jackpots on max bet there. In fact, the red message in there means that the jackpot can be won in the Free Spins mode, as it's under that topic. Hence their Terms of Service conflict with that very reality: "Only real money rounds qualify for the jackpot bonuses." http://archive.is/XcDrDYou can see yourself. Please, tell me why this would happen. After all, you're so knowledgeable. |
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That pretty much sums it up. +all the shills trying to mud the competing casino.
This thread just proves the attempts to bully people into doing what they want, well it won't work.
Twitchy, you would have much more credibility on the case if you would just post from your real account.
And what, pray tell, do you think his "real account" is? I see that your main point against this is that people are trying to shill for competing casinos, to drive away Betcoin.ag. There are countless casinos out there. The exclusion of one would not be worth the time for "shills". Marketing for themselves would be more efficient than downplaying other casinos. |
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Yes, my stance did change once Betsoft resolved the issue with jasonort and after I looked at all the details, and realized that I was being manipulated with inaccurate information.
What information was inaccurate? Betcoin's, right? Because they only implemented the rule about max bets after jasonort began to complain. I don't like cheaters or thieves just as much as the next person and probably more....but liars and false accusers are just as bad. I'll stand up for those who are cheated, but I don't like being manipulated with false information to attack honest people to satisfy other people's perverted agendas.
Are you talking about Twitchy? Because from what we've already seen in the past, Betcoin altered the ToS without changing the "Last updated" date to try and stealthily sneak in some rules. That's a serious problem.
Believe me, I've done thorough research on the subject and I am no slouch when it comes to probability, normal distribution, or variance, nor am I a slouch when it comes to statistical analysis and legal research.
I don't have all this free time to engage in weird debates, gamble, and do whatever I feel like because I'm dumb and poor....
https://www.casinolistings.com/forum/gambling/online-casinos/28043/questioning-betsoft-jackpots?page=1You can look at those pretty pictures if you don't have time. They show clear problems with BetSoft, and in no way did Betcoin determine at all that there was a problem with them. Even going out of their way to try and make it seem like jasonort didn't fulfill the requirements for the jackpot. I earned my bones in life and I have more than I could ever possibly use as a result....No, I'm here because I believe in this stuff....I'm no bum hunter....I've been around the game a lot longer then you realize.
If you have more than you could possibly use, then you won't need a signature campaign, right? After all, you've earned enough. You can gamble with everything you've earned in the past. |
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You have all been fooled.
You are nothing without centralized exchanges, you are nothing without the altcoins, and you are nothing without the huge mining farms.
Wow, really? You mean to say that bitcoin's only value is held in fiat and no merchants use bitcoin as an option? We rely on useless altcoins... wait, for what exactly? 21 Million Bitcoins is a farce.
With over 690 alternative currencies and counting under the Bitcoin umbrella you can "mine" (print) digital currencies forever.
You can pump and dump with your centralized coin exchanges over and over again just like Wall Street.
... Except that they're worth nothing. Mining hundredths of pennies is not worth anyone's time. |
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