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5501  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin in RALLY mode on: January 03, 2011, 03:25:58 AM
I notice the price is up around 30 cents.

I am not sure why prices need to keep going up in order for more businesses to accept bitcoins though, Just so that bitcoins in circulation are worth enough for it to be a worthwhile market to tap into? or?

It's more the reverse I think. If it is used more widely then the value relative to other currencies will go up. But there is causation the other way too.

It would be pretty hard to buy a house with bitcoin right now since you would need more than all of them, but as you went to get them you'd drive the price up yourself. The trouble is that the deal is hard to work out, what do you say buy bitcoins until you've spent $2M USD and give me that many? That doesn't exactly give incentive to get the best price on them. The other way has the same problem "Keep giving me coins until I've sold them for a total of $2M" now I don't have much incentive to get a good price and we're denominating in USD anyway.

So wider trading will allow bigger trading which will open up more opportunities making the economy wider... but it won't happen all at once.

Speculating (by buying now) that it will happen eventually will help it to happen faster too. Offering to trade goods and services will help the most though.
5502  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty for Bitcoin Animated Movie [13622.05 BTC ($2520) and growing] on: January 03, 2011, 03:07:28 AM
Maybe stef can help. He made this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me2wQAQCip8

It looks like Luke is the one to contact.

http://www.youtube.com/user/lukebessey#p/a/f/0/QG4jhlPLVVs
5503  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Bounty for Bitcoin Animated Movie [13622.05 BTC ($2520) and growing] on: January 03, 2011, 03:02:18 AM
Maybe stef can help. He made this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Me2wQAQCip8

This is actually pretty good.   I don't know this guy well, but clearly I should listen to him more.


I listen to stef a lot. Hadn't seen this, it is nice.
5504  Economy / Marketplace / Re: I am buyng my firsts bitcoins :D on: January 02, 2011, 09:30:12 PM
I'd do $7 for you on PP, but I don't have AlertPay, sorry.
5505  Economy / Economics / Re: How an economy grows and why it doesn't on: January 02, 2011, 09:17:57 PM
I realize that you aren't getting paid here. I just want to say that I think getting paid for showing people where to get content is absolutely fine. And a whole lot of people agree with me too, they just freak out when it gets direct for some reason. If you had a site that linked to freely given content like what you provided and had ads on the side nobody would complain.

 
5506  Economy / Marketplace / Re: We accept Bitcoins on: January 02, 2011, 08:41:50 PM
yep. It's a bit weird, isn't it? Methinks they want to hide the easiest way of donating Grin

I can't even find it at all.
5507  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Community driven magazine on: January 02, 2011, 06:22:20 AM
Yeah, I will have to leave it for later since there are no single submissions. I will do a magazine and some articles soon I guess and then come back to the idea of a community driven one. Is anyone going to submit an article or can I make it official and cancel it for now?

Instead of insisting on 5 by a set date and shutting down if you don't make it why not trigger a release, for example, on the first Monday after you get 5 qualified articles?

Also it isn't a real problem if 4 or 5 of the articles are yours in the beginning. It's pretty unreasonable to think that high quality stuff is just going to appear in the beginning, it needs to be cultivated. If you are willing to do a magazine by yourself you may as well use it to transition to the community mag that you want.
5508  Other / Off-topic / Re: Donate to Free Talk Live Hosts. on: January 02, 2011, 06:13:56 AM
http://www.freetalklive.com/about
 
This is the largest liberty oriented radio show in the US and lately I have heard bitcoin mentioned live on air numerous times.

I usually donate via paypal cc payment but Ive decided to cancel it and pay a years worth of amp payments in bitcoins directly to the hosts.

send a bitmail to Ian or Mark @freetalklive if you currently amp their show Smiley.

I have it on good authority that they will accept these donations so your bitmail wont be ignored Wink

http://www.bitcoinmail.com/

Cool, inevitable imo. I amp and I'm going to mail a little and promise more when an onsite address appears.
5509  Economy / Economics / Re: Hostile action against the bitcoin infrastracture on: January 02, 2011, 04:59:47 AM
I am opening this thread to explore possible scenarios of hostile action by the US government against the bitcoin infrastructure.

Certainly there's a patent that shares a concept or two with something that Bitcoin does?  I could see the state try to interject on behalf of the patent holder.

I doubt something of that strength will matter much at all. Bittorrent is used over and over and over to distributed works that are 100% copywritten with no ambiguity, but there hasn't been much success shutting that down.

5510  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin, gold, future on: January 02, 2011, 04:30:59 AM
I came up with an even more extravagant estimate of $10 million a couple years ago on the cryptography list:

http://www.mail-archive.com/cryptography@metzdowd.com/msg10152.html

I compared the stock of bitcoins to total worldwide wealth, rather than GWP, which is the amount produced in one year.

I think a few more assumptions can get it even higher. Even at our current low rate of wealth creation there will probably be 50% more wealth in 10 years or so. Plus if bitcoin is a better and freer money then wealth can be produced even more quickly. So maybe double that 10 million. Also if people are confident in the money and in future growth they may be even more willing to save in bitcoin as opposed to consuming quickly (on the margin at least).

Ultimately I think this high level will not be fully reach because there will be other good ways of saving value that will be found or created.

5511  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mass Awakening Documentary, featuring Bitcoin. Intro, Rough Cut. on: January 01, 2011, 09:10:11 PM

You might not agree with everything the guy says but he's a visionary and the general plan is good, plus he's an engaging, charismatic and energetic speaker.

Why would more food mean more guns and rules? To my mind, if it was done grassroots, it would mean less of both, as tension, poverty and lack are decreased.
 

He said equal food. Maybe he meant more and equal, but that's not possible. The drag of the equality bureaucracy guarantees insufficiency. 

Guns and rules don't get us more food, they equalize our food by reducing it by limiting who can make food because if people are just making food all over the place it is hard to control and measure and standardize and tax and charge monopoly prices.

If people are free they will eat it is as simple as that. 
5512  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mass Awakening Documentary, featuring Bitcoin. Intro, Rough Cut. on: January 01, 2011, 08:58:53 PM
The extranormal bitcoin video is just bad IMHO.

If you have somebody narrating it instead of a computer voice, you would do it a lot better.

This is what I meant. I thought maybe you just used Xtranormal to show your script.
5513  Economy / Economics / Re: Will occasional losses of bitcoin wallets limit available maximum bitcoins? on: January 01, 2011, 08:55:13 PM
If you were really lucky they'd find something to charge you with. Perhaps a burnt out tail light on your car?

Damn, i really hate this as it is very common in my country.
You come to them asking for help, and you get your ass kicked instead.

What? Don't they work for you? If you don't get service that you like stop paying, they aren't going to force you to keep paying, they aren't the criminals.

/sarcasm
5514  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Mass Awakening Documentary, featuring Bitcoin. Intro, Rough Cut. on: January 01, 2011, 10:49:32 AM
Interesting for sure. The bitcoin extranormal is a place holder I'm guessing?

I like the shared urban garden thing. The guy says strange things though. "If we decide it's a good idea" Getting permission from the nonexistant "we" means nothing ever happens. "Everyone should get the same amount of food" That's awful. We don't all need or want the same amount of food or water or clothes or houses. And having that as a goal sets you up for needing a hell of a lot of guns and rules.

I would expect a lot of places that need water can't get a lot from the air. But the fog machine is cool for where there is fog.

These problems have one source that will be clear if anyone takes action to solve them directly. It's the idea that people can legitimately rule over each other. It will be cool if the video will say so explicitly.

I'm happy to keep giving feedback as you make it. Or to stop if you want  Smiley
5515  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What problem does bitcoin solve? on: December 31, 2010, 11:07:23 PM
Jason, quoting is helpful. I find it more helpful if the quote is on top, maybe just because I'm used to it. I think other are the same way.
5516  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Technical Support / Re: why it doesn't show from what address bitcoins came? on: December 31, 2010, 11:38:57 AM

I wouldn't call that feature useless - it is very natural to know who sends you the money. I know you can give out different account numbers and put labels on them, but what if:

- you have one, fixed address published on your website for donations - what if you want to know who donated how much? of course, you can send an email following the donation, but it costs the guy who donated more time and hassle
- what if you have one customer paying for a few items separately? Okay, you've given him his own account address to use, but how do you keep track of which payment is for which item? Don't tell me you go back and check prices - if you have plenty of customers you don't have time for that
- what if you want to send bitcoins to somebody as a gift - and would like to add comment (happy birthday or whatever)? OK, you can send an email, but that won't be instant and again - hassle and you don't know when that person is going check their email.
 

These are all problems that can be solved in many ways. Choosing a solution isn't in bitcoin's domain imo. 

There is no space on the dollar for a message either. Messages are a different thing and should be dealt with separately. 
5517  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to eliminate the national debt on: December 31, 2010, 09:35:59 AM
No nation no national debt. The best part about this is that it's already true! The nation is an illusion.

I for one would hate to be on the lender side of a debt with no names attached.
5518  Economy / Economics / Re: Hostile action against the bitcoin infrastracture on: December 31, 2010, 09:25:29 AM
How to fuck up bitcoins infrastructure:

Purchase ~ 100k - 1M Bit coins across 2 accounts.
Make a script that automatically send the money between each account using a new addres each time (the addresses would be written to a database where the script could get it from)

If you get 20-40 transactions per second, that would significantly increase the workload as everybody has to verify those payments.

So you would add, lets say 1M transactions that needs to be verified. Lets see, it takes about 15 mins to get two verifications. How long will it takes to get a million?

Oh snap, selling all coins now. How did we not think of this?

I for one thought that ~150 transactions a day would be plenty. I can't believe we forgot about spam.
5519  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs gold ? on: December 31, 2010, 06:18:13 AM

On the other hand:

Google vs. Altavista
Facebook vs. Friendster
IE vs. Netscape

I'm not saying that Bitcoin won't become the market leader; I think it has a good chance.

All I'm saying is that the first mover advantage can be overestimated.

agreed. I'm a big fan of bitcoin but also try to keep a cool head here. there are just too many unknown factors that may have huge impact on the fate of this currency, both technical and political.

another question: since bitcoin is open source, what will prevent another similar or slightly different(better?) system come out to compete?

If you want to accept P2P money for your business you choose the one that actually has people securing the chain and people spending and accepting it. There would need to be a pretty compelling reason to start a new system.

Imagine if a new fax machine was invented 5 years after the original fax machine, but it didn't work with any other machines already in use. It would have to be a lot better to overcome that. I think it would have to be a whole new thing not just an improvement.

I'm sure it will be tried though so we'll see. I bet there will be an inflatocoin tried.
5520  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: 100btc Bounty for Open Source Exchange project. on: December 31, 2010, 06:12:20 AM

In China the situation is even worse as there is a lack of clear judicial process(that is unbiased).
 

The government settles disputes between itself and others in America. The only thing clear about the process is that they control it.
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