You are correct if sending bitcoin from a wallet and will leave change, the change will be from the transaction output and will be sent back into the address from the wallet which the person use to send the bitcoin, this is what that happens in this case in a way the wallet will use the sender address to automatically send remaining amount to change address of the sender wallet after sending the amount.

Address A: from your Atomic wallet
Address B:. From your hardware wallet
Address C: the second address from your hardware wallet for cpfp

One thing about cpfp is that you will need to pay fee for:

1. The transaction you are sending from address B to address C
2. The balance to increase the fee in transaction A to B, this will though be included in fee while sending from B to C

This will make fee higher if compared to use of RBF, try to use electrum wallet next time for bitcoin and on RBF if you are making transaction with low fee in case so that you can use replace by fee that you will use low transaction if compared to cpfp that you will now use.


I really appreciate the good post that I also gained from, but I have just some questions to ask. I am still confused about using cpfp from address B (the wallet you sent the bitcoin too). If address B have confirmed transaction already, not the input from address A, that means address B can use cpfp so far address B has balance that can be used for that? Or will address B have to be able to spend unconfirmed transaction before using cpfp and will need to spend from the input from address A for the cpfp to be successful?

Also the other question is that, if address B can use cpfp without need to spend unconfirmed transaction, and you send to wallet address B from another wallet (may be wallet Z)  after you have already send from address A that need cpfp, if the wallet Z transaction to address B was later confirmed, can it be used to do cpfp? Or cpfp in wallet B can only be done using unconfirmed transaction from wallet A as I asked before?

I am somehow confused about the recent block that this kind of thing happened to, it is said to have never happens before. But I just want to ask that the first transaction which was later replace by RBF was later became invalid but at the time two mining pool took it up into block, that means the transaction was confirmed at the time? Which later remain invalid as miners tend not to make chain on the block at a particular point. I will like if this is clarified. That means two transactions can be confirmed in which one (the previous one) be confirmed but later become invalid?

You are right but the transaction is not replace by fee supported, that is why the person had to wait until the transaction was confirmed, the transaction has been confirmed already. Also know that there are some wallets that do not support replace by fee, even most wallets do not support replace by fee. Only few like electrum support this but the rest I have used do not support it. I also heard that bitcoin core support replace by fee unlike the old versions.

Any useful and meaningful posts you make here have chances of receiving merits, but you will need to know about bitcoin and altcoins very well, especially knowing about bitcoin and posting in bitcoin boards will allow you to receive merits of your posts are good. What I can tell you to do is to find time to first learn about bitcoin, study the forum, and know how good members are posting. If you post like gold members with good knowledge you will be receiving merits.

The best option for you is to have a paper wallet, you will be have an address and a private key which you can sweep or import to wallet anytime you need your fund. To get hardware wallet you need to have much bitcoin to store, but you said only small amount, then paper wallet is good for that.

About electrum wallet you do not need to worry but electrum is open source, it will exist even in the future. If it is no more existing, you have your seed phrase, if you have it you will be able to recover your funds back on another wallet. The seed phrase can be used to generate seeds and master private keys using some tools.

That will just be the reason, as this as happened, it is also linked to the price drop of bitcoin recently. With the second to the last chart you posted, I am beginning to wonder how outflow may possibly later affect the price of bitcoin this year especially if people are selling bitcoin in the secondary market that may affect the price of bitcoin. But let us see how this will go this year to understand how institutions and their investors will affect the price of bitcoin, many people have been saying institutions will be the ones to control the price but this seem early because of the 6 month based outflow as grayscale is the largest crypto asset manager.

I have just sent 3 merits to Stanlo, Serious475 is a good poster too but do hoard smerits but he post good and worth merit, Unbunplease is a Russian (local board) poster, most of his posts are merited by Ratimov.

Not all exchanges delisted xrp, only exchanges that delisted xrp are based in United States while many other exchanges like binance have not delisted it and also thinking they have no plan to delist it. This time we need to stay off xrp because if SEC win the case against xrp, it will lead to another xrp bullback. We should wait until the case is over but if the case favour xrp that means the price of xrp will significantly increase and can be back to normal again but the chances that the case will not favour SEC is almost zero.

Just a suggestion, why don't you move this to beginners and help or altcoin discussion

This is about exchanges delisting anonymous coins, specifically monero, dash and zcash, that what is the fate of the coins in the future as their transaction Ms can not be tracked on blockchain.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5306232.msg56004213#msg56004213

About a DeFi scam project
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274974.msg55171642#msg55171642

About phishing scam stealing ripple from riplme users
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5274586.msg55160935#msg55160935

Bitcointalk Profile Link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2819049
Current amount of posts (including this one): 506
Amount of EARNED merit in the last 120 days:  82
bech32 BTC Address for Payouts: bc1q2sefg02mlpc3muyuzx3exn5nadx74k9zzu5lkr

He meant the best way someone's family can inherit bitcoin after the person's death.

I have moved it to Beginners and Help already, thanks for the suggestion, I even thought I created it in Beginners and help before.

I was only thinking of how account sales can be avoided or to be done legally but with the replies from the previous topic which you are talking about I gained it is even better for admin not to sell account at all according to theymos post about it in which admin do not want it at all. But in both topics I strongly against underground account sales which makes me consider to make this topic for newbies. I do not support account sales at all, I hate it when newbies will come to the forum with bought account having no merit in the last 120 days, post in one of the campaigns you are managing which he thinks it is the rule and not competent to build the account further which means his money lost because such accounts are bought. There are some campaign managers will request for Bech32 addresses but bought account newbies without no merit in 120 days still pasting legacy address to apply which indicates the person bought the account and the account will probably remain useless, so starting new will be great and my advice for newbies.

Brought the suggestion in the previous tooic to discourage underground sales of account and I learned alot which I used to make this new topic with many things I think could possibly be the reason account sales should be discouraged. LoyceV was the first person to post and corrected me which I accepted after seeing theymos post which I also included in this topic.

So that newbies can learn about some reasons why they should not buy ranked membership accounts. Newbies do not know about this forum like we do, they can buy account thinking it is safe and expecting to join signature campaign because that is the reason most likely they are buying ranked membership accounts. But they will later know it does not work like that. I have seen an account that has no merit for last 120 days and posted in chipmixer campaign thread applying to join and another account of the same type posted in bestchange also applied to join one or two months ago while both campaigns remain closed till jow. You can easily know that they are newbies, if they have known, they will know joining chipmixer and bestchange campaign is not easy at all and require more than just being ranked member and of which they will later know their money is wasted on bought account.

I could have posted this on meta board but here can make it more accessible to newbies, it is about selling of bitcointalk accounts. To sell bitcointalk account, it should be discouraged, it is even included in bitcointalk unofficial rules number 18 but does not mean if you still think you have to buy already ranked account but if anything happen to the account that got your bought account not able to access this forum again, you will have to face the consequences.


I have been thinking for the reasons account sales should be discouraged, I know there will be reasons for such statements that we members must abide to. I think very well and find these reasons useful why accounts sales should be discouraged.

Reasons why accounts sales must be discouraged
I hope newbies will like to now know the reasons, they need to read these before attempting to buy bitcointalk account, this article will educate them why they should avoid to by ranked membership account.

1. Not supported by bitcointalk admin
There has been thread before about bitcointalk forum to be selling ranked accounts in the past, but according to theymos it will not happen.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4419950.msg39398356#msg39398356

Bitcointalk is not in support of account sales, then why want to buy one underground because people that boldly want to sell account here if noticed will be tagged red which to me if proper.

2. Hacked accounts can be sold
There are in history of this forum some members account are hacked and taken control over by the hackers, the hackers will not think twice in many cases to sell the account as be sold. The person that bought the account will happily make his first post while the account owner will report that his account has been compromised. If he signed staked address he will be given back the account thereby leading to the buyers to lost money.

3. Other fraudulent activities
The above is just a single fraud reason while there are still many other fraudulent reason s account can be bought, it can be bought by scammers to make people to trust the account and be used against good members on the forum. This type of scam can range from using the account to borrow bitcoin, do escrow service and take the bitcoin and exit to anything you can possibly think of scammers can achieved through that. This is the main reason I even hate sales of account. And the reason I proposed official seeling of account by admin which can possibly lead people selling account underground not to be able to again.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5310026.0

But this led to downturn because of some good reasons provided by some good members.

4. New members not knowing about the forum at all
Newbies do not know about the forum at all, all they know if what they read online that bitcointalk signature can be used to earn up to 0.0003 btc per post like I read it online in 2020. From the same site you I read that a member can have up to 10 accounts, that you can buy account at a cost of $500 for legendary, $400 for hero and $300 for Sr member, though I do not fully remember the amount but appropriately correct. All these are lies, the merit system do not make it easy to have two accounts because building two accounts is difficult.

5. Bought accounts can be banned and most likely will be banned
I was wondering before why legendary account and hero accounts are banned, later I noticed some can be bought accounts, newbies do not know about the forum, bought ranked membership account and was banned because he violate the forum rules which likely to occur to newbies, this is likely common the reason you should pass through the newbie period by opening newbie account for good.

6. Thinking they will buy account and join signature campaign quickly
Newbies know nothing about this forum, all they think is that they will buy account and join signature campaign immediately, not knowing all signature campaigns have one same rule, that a member to participate he must have at least 5 merits received in the last 120 days, but to get the merit will be difficult for newbies that bought account. Also that is just the rule, you will see campaign managers only taking people that have more than 50 to 100 merits while leaving the rest because slot are very limited, then when will you get up to that merits. Psychologically thinking, account sellers even leave no smerits at all and the account do not have single merit in the last 120 days.

Newbies, build your account yourself than buying what that might not be real, do not put yourself at risk, buying bitcointalk account is dangerous because you will still post like newbies.

This is the mistake most people are making, unlike me I can not buy a ranked membership account because it will still take some little extra work to build the account to fit into joining campaigns. If you see bought ranked account, you will likely know them, they are accounts that most likely havong no merit history in 120 days, and will not be able to join a campaign, they will need to still build the account to have merits very well before the account can join a campaign. This is the mistake people that bought bitcointalk account are making, they will buy it, not able to have merit, and will not be able to join campaign. But, they will think after buying account, they will just join a campaign which is not like that.

There is nothing you can do, probably you are from from United States, just kbey the rules of your governments, and pay your tax so far you are using US exchange like coinbase. To make tax transaction easy for you,you can read this link:

https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-users-can-now-report-their-crypto-taxes-using-cointracker

This can also be helpful
https://www.zenledger.io/?utm_source=Paid&utm_medium=Google_ads&utm_campaign=homepage&utm_campaign=12006194810&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_content=491840552632&utm_term=cryptocurrency%20tax&adgroupid=116491510512&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqNjPzq-q7gIVRaSWCh3jdA0bEAAYASAAEgJfTPD_BwE

Bitcoin price can never be stabalized, volatility can only be reduced, and if it reduced today, that does not mean it will not increase later.

Bitcoin has nothing to do with US adminstration, the progress will come as people are knowing what bitcoin is and the true nature of asset and money that it possesses.

Yes exactly, just to tell how Grayscale has been helping resulting to bitcoin being scarce to an extent, there has been statistical data about what you are saying that they are truly buying not directly mined bitcoin but from the whales and people that are selling bitcoin. In November and December, Grayscale really bought bitcoin from the whales that sold. Around the time, the price of bitcoin plunged to $16600 but the institutional investors really helped the price not to go beyond that level and later increased ppossibly bitcoin price could have reduced further like the crash in 2018, and among the institutional investors, Grayscale investment on bitcoin is the largest and so significant. Although there are more retailer investors that invest but institutions especially Grayscale really bought bitcoin from whales that sold which helps bitcoin price not to fall.

What is most important is that they are well known, and no issue with them with their customers, no scam but a legit company. You can not expect everything to be online like Wikipedia at ones but as the company progress, the founder name will still appear on Wikipedia.

Have you being reading what fillippone and some others are posting here at all, if you are reading their posts, you will not ask this question. The bitcoin are bought from the ones sold by bitcoin sellers.

Same question above. From sellers like whales.

Headquarters location: New York, NY

Parent organization: Digital Currency Group

People like us are the investors, but they are reach people, you can also be one.

Send message to this email and be careful of any phishing email: info@grayscale.co if you want to invest with them. This is there recent investment products in below link or just scroll up above a little to see their investment products posted by fillippone.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256529.msg56075709#msg56075709

To also what to know about Grayscale use the link below which will direct you to the OP board of this thread or go to the OP board.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5256529.0

That is great about the big cryptocurrencies institutional investors. These are what I also saw today which makes your point always valid.

Asset manager Grayscale added 18 times more Bitcoin (BTC) than miners added to the supply in just one day on Jan. 18.



Grayscale daily Bitcoin additions chart. Source: GBTC Bitcoin Tracker/ Twitter


Grayscale Bitcoin holdings vs. BTC/USD chart. Source: CryptoQuant