Hi Rosilinepl, I'm a bit confused, are you still part of this campaign or no? I know the proof you requested was provided and, much like other former members, you promptly removed your signature. But....you continue to make meaningless posts informing other users you are about to pm them. Is it just habit? IF anyone will show me any not fabricated proof I will be no longer the Betcoin.ag Campaign Manager and also I will remove my sig. |
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Did he compromise your book? Are other user's coins in danger? No, users coins were never at risk and none of our clients were affected from this incident. So then what did he "hack"? absolutely nothing. THey have nothing because if they did they would of posted it instead of just ignornig and hoping that it blows over. Just becareful because I never received my rejected bet funds back. Very funny, this is the second time I have seen people trying to bypass directbet security system. Very funny that people want to try some cheap trick and ended up getting his bet held up. If you are looking to get it back then I believe it wont be possible as yoj have tried to cheat them first Please share where you saw "people trying to bypass directbet security system" I'm pretty sure nobody else has seen them. |
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Yeah, Olympic games in sports betting world are not so popular, what is quite strange  But of course we will make something during these dates. I just wanted to clarify that we will try not to make any promotions where players won't be satisfied with the results. Raffles were really good in case of interest from players, but we didn't think they will take so much attention from different cheaters all over the world. It is a good lesson for us, we learned it and need to move forward with better offers. That is strange to me. I always try to set aside a few weekdays to do nothing but drink and gamble with friends on random olympic events. Guess that doesn't translate to sportsbook though. This is the first year (maybe ever) that vegas is taking action on olympics so, who know, maybe it will get good? I'm american so forgive me but, is winning a euro cup really bigger than winning a gold medal? You know when the american girls soccer team wins they all take their shirts off right? |
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Before anyone decides to run off spamming this guys affiliate link all over the internet read what kinda of site it is first: Twitchyseal just convinced a staff member of this forum it was unethical to be in Betcoin sig spamcaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1544602.0Read the trust feedback for Betcoin.ag: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=202115Lutpins advice: You shouldn't be advertising betcoin.ag given their current situation and how they handle problems/themselves.
That being said, I would advise everyone else being enrolled in that campaign to do the same, drop it.
Read how they treat players privately: https://www.casinolistings.com/news/2016/07/betcoin-ag-betsoft-force-shafted-jackpot-winner-into-agreementRead how they treat players in public chat: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1517648.msg15543609#msg15543609Casinomeister warns everyone they should not play at Betcoin.ag http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=74146WARNING: Based on recent evidence players are advised to proceed with caution when playing Betsoft games offering jackpots. It would be wise to play at reputable Betsoft casinos only since it appears the individual casinos may have control over the frequency of jackpots.
WARNING: avoid Betcoin.ag since they are using phantom and/or imaginary Terms to withhold jackpot payouts. They are blacklisted at casinolistings: https://www.casinolistings.com/casinos/rogue-warnings-blacklistRogue Casinos: the worst of the worst
Betcoin.ag
Betcoin.ag is one of a new breed of casino that operate solely using crypto-currencies such as Bitcoin. In mid 2016 we were approached by Jason, a player that claimed that he had been stiffed of a million mBTC progressive jackpot payout on a Betsoft slot, The Glam Life. Jason won the jackpot with five yacht symbols across the middle payline. Or so he thought. Instead he was paid a 1000 coin win and told, after several changes of story, that he didn't qualify for the jackpot because the winning spin occurred during the game's free spins bonus round. This was not documented in the paytable at the time, and after the controversy Betsoft later updated the game's paytable with a poorly worded statement that attempts to state this exception. The bottom line is, he was ripped off from a once in a lifetime win.
While the issue was no doubt caused by Betsoft, either through incompetence or malice, Betcoin.ag did itself no favours in its handling of the matter. While other casinos were dropping Betsoft games altogether after our investigation into their jackpots revealed several irregularities, Betcoin continues to offer Betsoft's crooked games. They instead told the player that they couldn't do anything, its all up to Betsoft and they are just a poor innocent intermediary caught in the middle. Eventually Jason was paid off with an amount that no-one will divulge and forced to make public statements proclaiming his love for Betcoin and Betsoft. In other words, they paid him to shut up and stop complaining about his rightful win. Betcoin.ag is not licensed or regulated by any recognised authority and they have demonstrated that they are a rogue casino willing to run crooked games. Avoid.
They also steal, lie and cheat and also allow their members to lie, steal and cheat. More about that here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.msg13507632#msg13507632This is very informative, thank you very much for putting this together for us. There are so many complaints and problems you could't shake a stick at xD Here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.msg13507632#msg13507632 they get their members to steal and cheat. Cant believe this. Really nice for you to be so though and warn us like this thanks. I kind of want to print daffadils post out and hang it on my wall.... Also should ad to this thread...  and previously:  |
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This is an issue with the CASINO PROVIDER and THEIR CASINO SLOTS. Has NOTHING to do with the poker room.
So you think Betcoin is unethical with their casino but ethical with their poker? That's a REALLY large leap in logic. Especially for a site that's been quite unethical with their poker room in the past. Also, the WTN doesn't 'trust' Betcoin. It's a std skin deal. When a player buys into a tournament, Betcoin pays that amount to the network (which comes from the player's account) and if a player on the skin wins, the network pays the skin for them to cover the player's new balance. What's up dark days. Xiao has this shit all of over the place, this is thread #4 I think. wtf Here we go: Xiao is a betcoin.ag affiliate. Betcoin is a (scummy) site that has casino, sportsbook and poker. He returns most of his commission that he gets from poker and keeps all the sports and casino revenue for himself. If you want to play bitcoin poker I suggest checking out this shill free/affiliate free thread |
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Xiao is a betcoin.ag affiliate. Betcoin is a (scummy) site that has casino, sportsbook and poker. He returns most of his commission that he gets from poker and keeps all the sports and casino revenue for himself. If you want to play bitcoin poker I suggest checking out this shill free/affiliate free thread |
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You are right. Deposit money to a gambling site mainly depend on trust and not control. But why would anyone trust Timothy John Heath while he already embezzled player deposits?
Are you confident that they do not use player deposits for business expenses/promotions? If so, based on what?
Do you believe that they pay everything from their own pocket and have a profitable business model, while their promotions are too good to be true?
Does this make sense?
My point is that making accusations against a site after a raffl like this one is pointless. If the're guilty they can easily prevent players from finding out. If they are innocent, it's literally impossible for them to prove so. It's ironic everyone seems to have overlooked the users like xinzark who (imo) were almost certainly guilty. You guy do realize, when someone enters more than once, and it's against the rules, you are the ones being cheated...right? It's no different than the owner putting in fake accounts\ as far as how it affects you. So far the only legitimate complaints I can think of involving Sportsbet.io and their raffle have yet to be made. Focusing on something that you can not prove is a waste of time. Add in the fact its basically a free giveaway (5mbtc/ day right?) July and August are usually free from major events, but it doesn't mean we will stop doing cool promos for our players! We will focus on smaller cups and make some promotions for specific events. In the same time our developers should finish technical part of bigger promotions, so we can be ready for Champions League, Premier League and other cool events after August. Stay tuned and check your emails few times per week! Wait what? Olympics start in less than 4 weeks. Is there any event more major? |
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You should have all his bets saved in your database and look at all his bet IDs and use it as a proof.
I assume they did that first. His affiliate would also have that data. If there was record of the hand, they would of just paid him. (This is .1 BTC were talking about) Also, he doesn't mention playing between screen shots (after sandwhich) but his balance went from .8 mbtc to more than 3 mbtc. Also, the whole story just screams of broke desperate degen. Balance at the top of the screen is not frequently update from my experience, sometimes balance is updated after you refresh or load new game. He said that he also has video. If he can update video that would be great. In case of provably fair game an user should post bet id, hashes and verification would be easy. Vegascasino is more funny with their official response than himself. I think when OP mentioned the video, he was being honest: plus I recorded the loading screen just constantly loading over and over and sent it to support.. Useless though, like nearly everything else he wrote. Do you think this is not ridiculous? I finally got a good hand... When my hand Hit, I left it alone and went to the kitchen to go make me a sandwich and relax for a second... (seeing 4 wilds on the screen looks nice right).
So 30min I came back, and the screen froze...
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You should have all his bets saved in your database and look at all his bet IDs and use it as a proof.
I assume they did that first. His affiliate would also have that data. If there was record of the hand, they would of just paid him. (This is .1 BTC were talking about) Also, he doesn't mention playing between screen shots (after sandwhich) but his balance went from .8 mbtc to more than 3 mbtc. Also, the whole story just screams of broke desperate degen. |
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TwitchySeal is a liar and a scammer, he is a paid troll this is what I think I NEVER talked to him and I don't speak with such idiots. Thank you for removing the Betcoin advertisement rosilin, I know you were in a tough spot.
Oh please, Lord have a mercy, You are trolling the Betcoin.ag just because someone has paid you for doing that or because you are mentally ill. Because you spend whole day on trolling them. This is sick I must say. And also you are an ignorant, you cannot even write my forumname in a correct way. (same to cryptosmoker) My final words about you and this whole situation. Wow, I always assumed you just made a typo during registration. I'm very sorry roslinpl. |
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This is why Forum has an "EDIT" function so you can edit your post.
Yes it was way longer because I had enough of this TwitchySeal but I decided to edit my post because I don't need to share my feelings to you if I don't feel like I want to.
Remove the EDIT function! God damn!
That is what a 12 year old kid would say.I'm sure you're a grown up.That is now how stuff works around the world,especially when you're representing a company directly/indirectly.Though I have no interest in the case but you did mentioned that "You will quit your job as a campaign manager for betcoin if someone shows at least one proof that they have been scammed by betcoin " right ? Though these weren't your exact words but that's what it implied.And like a gentlemen I request you to stick to your words. Ohh much over 30! I don't need to grow up anymore, trust me. But you need to learn how to behave to others. Indeed my friend. Thank you for removing the Betcoin advertisement rosilin, I know you were in a tough spot. |
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Sorry but I never had such a stupid conversation with that TwitchySeal.
Best regards.
DUDE WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK ? YOU JUST EDITED YOUR POST AND YOU WERE NOT TOO QUICK IN DOING THAT ! I read the actual post and it was way too off or say distant from this one.Dear Roslinpl,I have not archived that post but if you you have the courtesy to post the same comments,I'd appreciate it.And I read your post like 3 times so I'm aware what its contents were.Please post the same comment you posted before editing the post. TwitchySeal is a liar and a scammer, he is a paid troll this is what I think I NEVER talked to him and I don't speak with such idiots. Quote from: TwitchySeal on July 10, 2016, 03:48:43 AM And finally, an anonymous person who seems to have been your campaign manager had a conversation with me in a google document. Whoever it was clearly considered the fact you were joining a great success: So Lauda (a staff member) also joined the campaign today :D
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See how you are fucking with them. Its getting no influence on their campaign. LOL!
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this is sad
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See his profile for solid proof: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=101872
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Looolllllll. A staff member joined now. You will have zero influence now. And better be careful because you will be banned by Lauda now! :D
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They must need the money. I hope. Hopefully they wont run around acting all shilly
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I will always have influence though, don't be silly, :)
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Wait and watch. I hired Lauda for our benefit ;) Now post another bullshit on our thread and get banned. hahaha
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I post truth, not bullshit.
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you are a bullshit troll. now fuck yourself. Or get banned by bitcointalk staff :D No, it wasn't me Smiley Sorry Twitchy. I think that this is my boiling point. I want you to show me any REAL PROOF that Betcoin.ag has scammed anyone. IF anyone will show me any not fabricated proof I will be no longer the Betcoin.ag Campaign Manager and also I will remove my sig. BUT so far after reading all of this "scam accusations" I found that none of it is real. So far as I know the guy from your famous "Jackpot" doesn't seems to have any problem. It's only you who have a problem. Paid troll. Thank you.  |
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tl;dr version So yesterday I was playing at vegascasino.io ....
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...When my hand Hit, I left it alone and went to the kitchen to go make me a sandwich...
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(seeing 4 wilds on the screen looks nice right).
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...I recorded the loading screen just constantly loading over and over and sent it to support...
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...I was lying...
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...he didnt believe me...
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...WHERES MY WINNINGS?!...
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"game provider said there was no game played"
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BS!
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...showed all my damn SS PROOF...
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THIS ISN'T RIGHT!
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SO MAD
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DUG DEEPER
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GUESS WHAT I FOUND.....
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THEY HAVE LOTTERY...
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GUESS WHAT, THAT LOTTO IS RIGGED.
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ITS COMPLETELY RIGGED...
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EVERY SINGLE WEEKLY RAFFLE!
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THATS SOME RIGGED ASS CRAP!!
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WHAT I LEARNED;
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I ALWAYS DEPOSIT MORE THAN I EVEN WITHDRAW!
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I HAVE ASKED FOR FREE SPINS AND NO DEPOSIT BONUSES AND I ALWAYS GET REJECTED!!!
EVEN IF I DEPOSITED SO MUCH WITHIN A MONTH TIME FRAME 5-8 TIMES DAILY.
STILL REJECTED... ,
I GET ROBBED FROM MY MONEY....
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THEY NEED TO GET SHUT DOWN.
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SH1T ISN'T COOL
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FRAUD
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CROOKED PEOPLE
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DAMN CASINOS ROB PEOPLE BLINDLY
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DAMN JOKE
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MANY OF IT IS RIGGED..
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... REJECTED/DENIED...
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SOMEONE GIVE ME SOME
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IM TRYING TO GET AT LEAST SOME OF MY MONEY BACK
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AS A SINGLE PARENT THIS SH1T IS NOT COOL WHAT SO EVER.
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PISSED, ANGRY, UPSET,
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DAMN BS FOREALS..
Hello,
Sorry for waiting with our official answer, we decided to go and make us some sandwiches first.
Your are very bad at making up stories. Not as bad as you are at photoshop though.
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Re: Betsoft issues The coingaming sites, bitstarz, betchain and a few others are indeed continuing to offer Betsoft slots, including jackpots. But they have limited the denominations down to .02, .05 and .1 mBtc (used to offer .25, .5 and 1 as well) Betcoin, on the other hand, continues to advertise a total of BTC4,215.745 in progressive Jackpots on their front page. However when you add them all up individually (as of a few days ago) it was BTC2,978.573 I've only been able to find record of one single progressive win since Betcoin has opened. It happened in July of 2014, player "btc2014" won 3,800 mbtc progressive jackpot at 3D Slot Greedy Goblins." I posted this info last week with more details hereIf someone wants to volunteer and go ask Betcoin to confirm how many progressive winners there have been, whether they have BTC4,200 in jackpots or only BTC3,000 set aside. Also, we should wonder where the bitcoins are, right? They will not give theymos a direct answer if he asked, I am sure of it.
Edit: I am happy to see lauda has removed the signature. Thank you Lauda, I hope you understand my only motivation was to prevent uninformed users from thinking a staff member was claiming Betcoin should be trusted, and perhaps the spreading awareness of the Betcoin issues would not be a bad thing. Nothing more. I'd like to continue discussing the benefits of holding other signature campaign members more accountable in the future, not sure if I should lock this thread and take it somewhere else or not though. Will edit Title in the mean time. |
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Betcoin Jessica stopped by chat earlier I see. Grabbed the archive and edited it down to relevant comments and reversed the bottom to top reading order. Entire unedited version here: https://archive.is/pSjUZungod: jessica is betcoin trying to say that casinolistings.com a reputable online casino review site for over 10 years published a false independent review of betsoft games? thats the only way i can see justifying to continuing to carry betsoft slots in the face of that independent 3rd party review is if youre trying to say they fabricated it or something wheres the motive? is this real life? Betcoin Jessica: There will be a very good article coming this week explaining how casino games work for online casinos. Clearly some clarification is necessary. ungod: how casino games work for online casinos? we dont need a dummy article we need a removal of a provider who turns jackpots off and on and dials frequencies up and down at will there is 100% irrefutable evidence from an independent 3rd party review of such things...this is bullshit Betcoin Jessica: ungod you need the knowledge my friend..you do. ungod: you didnt see the casinolistings.com 9 month independent review of jackpot frequencies? Betcoin Jessica: They need to publish an independent review of their jackpots from a reputable company. ungod: a company of their choosing perhaps? and time to turn their rig off for the upcoming review? provide us with a fair provider one who hasnt been found guilty time and time again isnt that your job as a casino affiliate? Betcoin Jessica: ungod, what we love about you is you talk like you actually are fully informed. It's amusing. ungod: jessica is saying betsoft needs some time to turn all the rigs off on the slots and get them in order and pick their own company to review them basically jessica is saying that casinolistings.com isnt a reputable 3rd party reviewer thats the bottom line you guys need betsoft to keep the doors open BigThangz: ungod don't waste your time fighting a winless battle like ohyeah Betcoin Jessica: Oh and growing from a staff of 3 to 40. Some people get lucky. Oh and giving the people the best opportunity in online poker. ungod: lets be real, its easy to grow staff from 3 to 40 when you have over 3000 coins collected towards unwinnable progressive jackpots Betcoin Jessica: Yeah, it's easy. lol ungod: 0 jackpot wins in 2 years? across all betsoft progressives? Betcoin Jessica: I tell you this has been so easy and we have gotten so lucky! ungod: why is casinolistings.com not a reputable company to present an independent 3rd party review? ungod: bovada took em all down slots.lv took em down there are review sites that have been open for 20 years Betcoin Jessica: lol Betcoin Jessica: bovada and slots.lv are the same company ungodungod: not only did they take them down they added the bullshit jackpot values to their other games to make up for it you guys and betsoft could be the same company easily as far as we the players are concerned\ Betcoin Jessica: Also, you should really try to understand the real reason they took them down. ungod: in fact that seems likely that the both of you are controlled by the same parent company Betcoin Jessica: I wish! ungod: why else would you refuse so vehemently to address the 3rd party independent study Betcoin Jessica: We are waiting for their statement and study and you do realize that every one of our competitors and nearly every casino besides bovada has them? Betcoin Jessica: You make statements like we are the only one. Lol BigThangz: lol Betcoin Jessica: lol! Betcoin Jessica: ungod, ungod ungod, you should create a casino enter into a deal with some companies and then you will find out what goes on between provider and operator. ungod: or are you guys going to keep pretending you have inside information on the bovada/betsoft breakoff? and it miraculously has nothing to do with the casinolistings study? ungod: ok i called that one right? Betcoin Jessica: There is a lot to it when you get to Betsoft's level and Bovada's level from fees to commissions to advetising to exclusives to egos Betcoin Jessica: ungod, we learn more about you everyday and know just what type of person you are. Your heart is somewhat in the right place and we appreciate you for that. Betcoin Jessica: Had a little time to kill, enjoyed it, good luck guys. See you in here a little later. Betcoin Jessica: Bye, also the mitigation of the 6 hour attack has been removed so please let support know if anything slows. ungod: do you guys legitimately believe that bovada ditched betsoft at the same time the buzz was going on about the casinolistings.com study and jasonort nonpayment of jackpot? you really believe the 2 events werent related? or do you just want really bad for us the players to believe that? (One minute later) Betcoin Jessica: Big, we never learn all we need to know about someone. For us it's lifelong learning, but we understand your point. It's a part of it ungod, but there is much more to it. Always look deeper ungod, you are a smart guy. Betcoin Jessica: Go deeper than the surface, deep deep deep. ungod: a part of it is enough jessica the provider is corrupt Betcoin Jessica: Good luck guys, enjoyed the convo and talk soon. BigThangz: UG did twitchy hire for part time work or what Betcoin Jessica: Big, ungod always brings up good points, we agree with many but he never sees or examines the other side. ungod: so betcoin stands firmly behind betsoft regardless of the 3rd party independent study that caught them with their pants down blatantly rigging slot jackpots for 9 months? Betcoin Jessica: Anyways, I must go. |
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I am pleased to say that this matter has been resolved to my satisfaction by all parties involved. Responsibility has been taken by Betcoin.ag for lack of clarification from their customer support, Betsoft has acknowledged that the wording on the pay table may have been cause for misunderstanding with respect to jackpot eligibility. Both parties have been very helpful and cooperative in resolving this and made the necessary adjustments.
Am I the only one tjat thinks this jason dude is begining to sound annoying? He now writes as if betcoin tells him what to say or betcoin is actu allly posting on his behalf. DUDE TELL US HOW IT WAS RESOLVED, TELL US HOW MUCH YOU WHERE PAID OR JUST CLOSE THE fucCKN THREAD DUDE, betcoin is obviously telling him what to say so... rip jasonoort |
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I'm saying we have a serious issue here. It's become acceptable to help a site become trusted without taking any consideration into whether or not they should actually be trusted. When I see a staff member do it, I see an obvious and legitimate response for every member who may be asked "hey, why are you promoting that site?"
This is a trust related issue, right? So mind telling me why I'm being prioritized as a staff member (e.g. over a DT member) only when it (could) is 'negatively' effecting me? Additionally, don't be surprised if more 'random' people, that I've had strong discussions with (e.g. Core vs. Classic), hop on this bandwagon. What % of active users do you think could give the name of a single DT member? The system is really complicated and most people have no reason to bother trying to figure it out. Default Trust members appear the exact same as any other member (I think, right? I could be wrong) I have no clue what your job is, how you got it or who gave it to you. All I know is it says "STAFF" under your name, and that seems pretty important. Then after every post you make, it says "Betcoin.ag The Most Trusted Bitcoin & Litecoin Casino." Lauda, why won't you remove your signature until you have done your due diligence?
I've actually PM'ed EcuaMobi asking him to please provide me with the results of his own analysis, and it was inconclusive: I've asked you several times now and haven't gotten a direct answer. Why won't you remove Betcoin ad from your signature? You're acting as if you trust everyone until it's been proven you shouldn't. I know you are more intelligent than most, so I don't have to explain how ridiculous that is. I suggest building a strong case again Betcoin first (no, you don't have that). That's the best way that you could 'effectively' stop their campaign if the company was truly a scam. This is what I've written via PM to someone and it still holds ground: "All that was required was to either give me a few days of time or provide a conclusive 'investigation' by a non-random (or possibly DT member) and it would have been removed." Guess what I had time to do besides sending a few PMs because of this thread (reading, processing and formulating takes up a lot of time) so far? Nothing. Additionally, the first experienced DT member concluded that there was no conclusive proof.
Ok, I'd really appreciate any specific reasons my evidence is not conclusive so I can have a chance to clarify. I've played 8 million hands of online poker in my life, and many of the issues involve stuff that non-poker players may not get, like rakeback, rake structure, satellite structure, ethical standards re: enforcing rules, dealing with cheaters, etc. In the mean time, I suggest any trusted member to ask their campaign manager why they removed all the data from previous campaign periods, only share the data with members who request it and have kicked a member from their campaign for sharing it with me. (or you can probably figure it out by reading this post:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15142143#msg15142143 ) |
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Hate to be "that guy" (used to it though) but OP is mostly a rant and irrelevant to the issue. His explanation of what actually happened seems very suspicious. -snip-
I hit 4 deuces wild
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So 30min I came back, and the screen froze
I'm a gambler and have lots of friends who are also gamblers. When someone gets dealt a great hand in video poker, getting up to go make a sandwhich and chill for 30 minutes before finishing the hand is not something I could ever imagine anyone I've ever known to even consider doing. I mean, the guy still had a sweat drawing to the ace for 2,000 credit vs 1,000 if he missed it. Maybe call over your friend to see it, or take a picture, but it should be a basic instinct when you have a win to get the money asap. Especially when you're playing online. What if the power goes out? What if your computer freezes, network issue? Perhaps OP is genuine, I can't prove one way or the other or claim I know the truth. Just saying - seems suspicious.
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Thus providers such as NetEnt, Microgaming, etc are putting alot on the line to scam the millions of online players with crooked slots. Guess what buddy, Bitcasino uses these same gaming providers!!
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I am not so sure about this. They were using pirated Netent software in the past, this has been confirmed by Netent. http://thepogg.com/casino-review/bitcasino/http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64413&page=5&p=657289#post657289Now they have this on their page. "NetEnt games are operated in co-operation with Elec Games N.V. who are licensed and regulated by the Government of Curacao under the same license no: 1668/JAZ." I am not an expert, but it seems like they are saying that the software they are using is provided by a company other than NetEnt and are licensed/regulated by Curacao - which really means almost nothing imo" http://thepogg.com/regulator/curacao-egaming/A large number of casinos that have poor reputations are regulated in Curacao and while there have been signs of improvement in the last year or so, with the move from the Cyberluck name – which took no involvement whatsoever in assisting players with any disputes that involved casinos they regulate – to Curacao eGaming, they are still widely considered by the playing community to be toothless when it comes to ensuring their casinos behave in an ethical fashion.
A little better than a license from Costa Rica – which is the same as being unlicensed for all practical purposes – and not even in the same universe as licenses issues in Gibraltar, the Isle of Man and Alderney. Also - this just makes them suspicious in my book, not scammers. |
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Another personal attack against Lauda.
This has become a daily routine now.  I wouldn't worry too much about it. It's more than obvious these anti-Lauda threads are started by Quickseller alts. No one respects that scammer. Do a little more research please. I am not quickseller. This thread was an attempt to bring attention to what I consider a major issue that many don't seem to take seriously. Seriously though, ask around anyone active in the gambling forum, I'm not Quickseller and my posts are not influenced by his agenda in any way. Although the only explicit issue you can find about Betcoin is the Betsoft situation, research is still a necessity especially since TwitchySeal has laid out all of it on a thread. Doesn't the jasonort problem at least raise any alarms as to the fact that there might be something else going on? Even though he got his "settlement" (which is definitely a fraction of what he should have gotten) the entire situation started off with Betcoin's ignorance, which has happened on many occasions.
The progressive Jackpot is only the most recent explicit issue, it is NOT the ONLY issue and, in my opinion it's not the biggest. There are many others. So many I honestly don't even know where to begin. Most of them involve what is likely an honest mistake made by Betcoin handled in an extremely unethical way. Please, read this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1322261.0The reason Betcoin appears as if these issues don't exist is because of the 50+ signature campaign members some of them are very happy to be members of one of the highest paying campaigns. When they defend Betcoin against "trolls" like me, Betcoin pays them bonuses. When users are "spamming" their thread with legitimate questions, campaign members provide someone else to respond to. To be clear, this type of behavior is not something all campaign members participate in and I'm not accusing Lauda of being one of them. However, any reputable member of the forum who joins the campaign makes the entire campaign more reputable. Here is one example of how Betcoin addresses issues, read the post and then the following few responses: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=386266.msg14470101#msg14470101They never responded to dooglus, by the way. The issue he was asking about involved a glitch that caused too much rake to be taken from Nov 1 - Mid December. (in cash games, they take a fee out of every pot based on the size of the pot and a few other factors) A player reported the issue the first week of Nov, betcoin ignored it for over a month and continued to advertise a rake structure that wasn't being followed. In December, they announced a rake increase and denied the issue happened. From December - March they ignored the issue. Me and a few other members posted about it nearly daily, along with signature camp members that didn't seem to know much about Betcoin other than "great promos and fast cashouts!" In March, they had their "Betcoin to return overcharged rake" promo which made a lot of players happy but was not an appropriate way to handle the situation. I am still confident that there are players who were overcharged 10+ BTC and didn't notice. The only way one would notice is if they own tracking software and understand how to use it.
Not trying to offend you or something but if it is any other member on the forum due to any causes either a scam accusation is opened or found promoting something which is liable to steal money from users indirectly,DT members without even looking into the matter ,give a negative reputation temporarily which could be resolved later .Doesn't the same rules apply to you as well?
Understood. It would be only natural, according to what you're saying, that the service in question received those ratings first IMO. So mind telling my for what reason am I singled out here, out of so many members (there's at least 1 DT member wearing their signature) and Betcoin itself? After a certain amount of time and accounts it becomes obvious to one. I don't think you should be given special privileges,the DT members should apply the same rules to everybody.Just my two satoshis.
I'm not and I haven't done anything wrong either. What you're saying would only be fair in case that every single participant receives that negative rating. I'm not saying anyone should just snap neg rep anyone. I'm saying we have a serious issue here. It's become acceptable to help a site become trusted without taking any consideration into whether or not they should actually be trusted. When I see a staff member do it, I see an obvious and legitimate response for every member who may be asked "hey, why are you promoting that site?" Lauda, why won't you remove your signature until you have done your due diligence? If the money is so important, you should consider the research equally important. If it's not about the money, just remove it until you have time to educate yourself on the situation. Otherwise you're not just promoting Betcoin.ag, you're also promoting ignorance. |
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