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5761  Other / Off-topic / Re: Harper advisor calls for assassination of Wikileaks director on: December 03, 2010, 11:48:55 PM

Thanks, I had a way to get there. More curious about the mechanics of what is going on. A domain name be blocked in one country and not another, right? Is it being blocked in the US, everywhere?
5762  Other / Off-topic / Re: Harper advisor calls for assassination of Wikileaks director on: December 03, 2010, 11:39:43 PM
Is anyone in the US able to go directly to wikileaks.org right now?
5763  Other / Off-topic / Re: Harper advisor calls for assassination of Wikileaks director on: December 03, 2010, 11:38:59 PM
So Flanagan expressed regret over his remarks (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ottawa-notebook/ex-harper-adviser-regrets-glib-call-for-retaliatory-wikileaks-assassination/article1820612/comments/), finally.

But now Assange is saying Flanagan should be charged for incitement to commit murder.

So now is Assange against Flanagan exercising free speech?  What is the libertarian doctrine on this question?

Maybe Assange was just doing Flanagan the favor of applying Flanagan's own moral standard to Flanagan? Seems fair, I'm sure all Assange would want in return is for Assange's own standard to be applied to Assange.
5764  Economy / Marketplace / Re: MTGOX: RFC on: December 03, 2010, 11:08:18 PM
Somehow bitcoincharts has the whole order book and mtgox does not, even on the mega chart and order book. It's ridiculous.
5765  Economy / Economics / Re: How many units of Bitcoins will there be in total on: December 03, 2010, 11:05:17 PM
Starbucks just raised the price of my venti cup from $2.20 to 220 cents. I'm going to go cry in my coffee now.

What you call it doesn't matter except for convenience. How it's created does.

I know that deflationary currencies are alien to most people. It's going to take some getting used to being paid for producing before you consume instead of the opposite.
5766  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What mechanism restricts the supply of bitcoins? on: December 03, 2010, 09:11:37 PM


finally: How can one re-appropriate bitcoins that was fraudulently acquired?  Say, someone sells for millions of $ worth of bitcoins through fake ebay auctions, and get convicted by a judge of that action.  How can the victims be compensated if the thief simply refused to give his private key (or has destroyed it)?  With real money, his bank account is simply frozen/ confiscated. 

Doesn't the fact that bitcoins can't be re-appropriated by force make it fundamentally unsuitable to be used as real property in general, and money in particular?

Thanks for your time!

Shredding cash is about as easy as deleting a wallet file. I guess this is why no one uses it anymore.
5767  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Cash lost in the mail... on: December 03, 2010, 08:00:46 PM
Missing mail is rare indeed.

More often is misdirected mail that is delivered or returned very late.

Don't give up on it yet.

I recently had a piece of mail show up 5 months late.
5768  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: Pooled mining for official bitcoin client? on: December 03, 2010, 07:51:12 PM
I'm a purist and think that the official client should remain as simple as possible.

I don't think it should be bloated with mere nice-to-haves.

There are many different ways of doing pooled mining and many independent projects. Which project should then be chosen as the "official" one?  Too much centralisation IMO.

Also, even pooled mining with lose its appeal to Joe Average 1-2 years from now because by then the real specialists will dominate the mining market (with specialised hardware and such). 

 

I agree it should not be in the main client.

I think that even if it becomes wildly unprofitable new bitcoiners will still find it very cool to contribute for a little while in order to get a few fractions of a coin to play with before accepting them or buying some. Kind of like a faucet where you pay your own way.
5769  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The Pay it Forward Project. on: December 03, 2010, 02:42:48 AM
I am accumulating the "published bitcoin address for general donations / tips"

I think it's better for the tip addresses to be located at the same place as the tippable material. Otherwise they get out of date, or you get confusion between different people who use the same handle, etc. Also, having the tip address at the content is better publicity for bitcoin.

Agree. Also making a new one for each bit of content lets the author know what people are liking.
5770  Other / Off-topic / Re: Money as Debt on: December 03, 2010, 01:07:24 AM
A producer issueing papers redeemable for his future production, isn't that just the definition of a future contract ?

Basically it seems to me that modern finance has already created Grignon's ideas and much beyond...

He just wants to make them available for everyone, which is a good intent.  But I don't get exactly what is his proposal from a technical point of view.


Anyway, I have the feeling that Grignon just can't accept the idea that money can have no intrisic value.  He seems not to like gold for this reason.  And I guess he will not like bitcoin for the same reason.

Some people think that money should be backed by something real, whatever it is.  I totally disagree.  I beleive money is a pure abstract medium of exchange.  If money had intrisic value, we would not use it as money.



I never thought a "no use value" money could be a good money until bitcoin. If you think about how long people will trade pieces of paper even while governments actively debase them it's amazing. If people get into the habit of bitcoin I think it'll hold for a very long time.
5771  Economy / Economics / Re: Should money have intrisic value ? on: December 03, 2010, 12:48:22 AM
Mass, temperature, color are some properties of objects that exist with or without humans. Value only exists contingent on the existence of humans who have certain preferences. Nothing has value to you once you die and nothing has value to "us" once we're all gone. Value is completely dependent on us. Nothing has value in and of itself.


By "intrisic", I didn't mean beyond human judgment or anything.

It was rather as opposed to "conventionnal" or "arbitrary".

Value is the faculty for something to be desired by a human being.  Now, someone can desire something because he thinks someone else will desire it and thus it will be possible to trade it.

Therefore, I think we can say that something has intrisic value when there is at least one human being who can desire to possess it without ever giving it away to someone else.


Okay. Are we sure there is not one person who enjoys a good bitcoin? Or prefers the feel of the USD to toilet paper?  Smiley

Also someone might think "I just need to get a lot of dollars to show people my huge bank statement" then later trade them away, but for a while he wanted them for their own sake. Or maybe he even dies still thinking this before trading.

But I'm just being picky now, I understand what you mean.
 
5772  Other / Off-topic / Re: Libertarians/Anarchists Answer Me This on: December 03, 2010, 12:40:38 AM

In the UK it is illegal to smoke indoors. Otherwise I would be the single person in a group that boycotts places which allow indoor smoking. Either my life is endangered through risk to my health by someone else having their freedom, or I am a lonely person. As someone with bad asthma, it's killing when in other poorer countries people smoke everywhere and I can hardly breathe.
 

Considering that they passed the law, I have a hard time believing that there aren't other people who would have a demand for non smoking restaurants.

As gavin mentioned, the state just latches on to wherever it sees majority sentiment is. It pretty much boils down to this realization by government: Some people are still letting people smoking in their restaurants, but people are starting to be unhappy about it generally. There won't be enough people complaining about this to hurt us so we can take money from them until they comply with no risk to us.

5773  Economy / Economics / Re: Should money have intrisic value ? on: December 03, 2010, 12:26:23 AM
Mass, temperature, color are some properties of objects that exist with or without humans. Value only exists contingent on the existence of humans who have certain preferences. Nothing has value to you once you die and nothing has value to "us" once we're all gone. Value is completely dependent on us. Nothing has value in and of itself.
5774  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Promotion: National Radio Show Interview about Bitcoin on: December 02, 2010, 04:13:15 PM
Just finished the interview...  Did anyone listen in Live...?

Once they upload the MP3 of it, I'll post a direct link to download it.


I caught the end only. It seemed really good. I want to hear it all.
5775  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Join a pooled bitcoin mining effort on: December 02, 2010, 03:16:45 PM
Got it. My mistake was not making a shortcut and just renaming the file with the parameters. Computers are picky apparently.
5776  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Join a pooled bitcoin mining effort on: December 02, 2010, 08:00:58 AM
I followed david's instructions and it tells me "attempting to connect to 127.0.0.1:8335" over and over. I assume this means it's not working. What to do?

bitcoinr -server 69.164.214.82 -address abitcoinaddress

I am using the right number, I'm just reporting what it says. I don't have bitcoinr though. Should I?
5777  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: Join a pooled bitcoin mining effort on: December 02, 2010, 07:02:08 AM
I followed david's instructions and it tells me "attempting to connect to 127.0.0.1:8335" over and over. I assume this means it's not working. What to do?
5778  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoincharts.com on: December 02, 2010, 04:05:54 AM
Bitcoincharts now shows complete orderbook for mtgox.

Wow, cool. Now I know where to put my longshot crash bids.
5779  Other / Off-topic / Re: Political Assessment on: December 01, 2010, 07:18:07 PM
I like anarcho-capitalism, but I don't believe in anarchy, for I can't ignore the paradoxical idea of forbidding the use of force without using force.  And to me, "no rule" is still a rule.

I could consider myself as a minarchist, since I think the state should not care about economy, and that it should only focus on the monopole of force.

I'm considering objectivism and individualism.  But it's kind of new for me, I still have to think it through.


Anarchy doesn't mean "no rules" to me at all, but only "no rulers" or really "I rule myself". If the state dissolves I'm still not going to cheat at chess or act rudely in the supermarket.

If a group has a monopoly on force it doesn't matter that you don't want them messing about in the economy. They will still be people (a special subset of people who want physical control over you) who will do what they please in the economy. Maybe a better way to think of it is that there is no "economy" only people's bodies and that is what a monopoly of force allows them to control. Essentially control of the economy is a subset of a monopoly on force, not a separate thing.
5780  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Setting up a Stock Exchange on: November 30, 2010, 08:07:30 PM
I don't agree that leaving the administration of shares solely to the affected enterprise is a good idea. Especially with trade in shared, there needs to be oversight (either by the public or some trusted third party)


When you buy a share of a company, you are already supposed to have some confindence into this company.  Otherwise you would just not buy any of its shares.

Therefore there is no point looking for a third trust party.  The trust party IS the company itself.


Yeah. I think of the mass of gov regs as a scheme to get people to buy shares of companies they have no faith in anyway.

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