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581  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 12, 2014, 03:10:51 AM
Well then I'll give you a firm NO.

Though they have, according to their posts, softened their position and are considering partial refunds or upgrades. How true his turns out to be is yet to be seen, but I'd not hold my breath.

This is likely because the lawsuit filed against them.
582  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 12, 2014, 02:39:57 AM
Does anyone received any refund from this bozos?
Why ask questions you know the answer too?
583  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 12, 2014, 12:13:15 AM
Believe me, I want to get mining. I didn't want it damaged. Thanks for taking care of this. I am sure you techs can repair it and use the power supply, but the Power supply is red, and the back of the case is so smashed in it looks like its touching the circuits and that could be why.


If you'd like we can have some reach out to you and try and walk you through setting it up over the phone. Don't know who is available at 8pm on a Friday but we'll check.


Hey, have someone call me. I was told by josh there would be a video on-line tonight showing how to set up the kit. Since there were no instructions that came with the kit.

This is ridiculous. I received my miner yesterday, with no instructions, and only god knows if anything was missing. I mean I know for a fact it is missing the networking cable that you stated was going to come with it, but who knows what else.

I detailed what is showing when I try to launch the miner can you comment on just what the hell might be going on? I don't pay 5795 for a raspberry pi , so if you could do some explanation or post a damn set of instructions to your website. Or e-mail them to me. I'm going out of town as of this weekend and I'd like to have my miner up and running by then. So what are the chances you can give us some help here?
584  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 11:54:15 PM
I tell yeah.  All this AMT stuff does is make my PTSD go x10. Full overdrive!

Same.
585  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 11:45:50 PM
SO I can pull up AMT's web interface but it's not recognizing the modules.

I keep looking at the CG miner logs and get a cgminer not connected page.
plug direct into the pi at start up with a hdmi and usb keyboard log in to the pi with u root p amt then type killall cgminer. this will stop the mining process then type cgminer -DT this will give you a massive list. better if you can putty into the miner then you can scroll back up but basically the info displayed will be a load of numbers and at bottom of each section summat like 8 chips with 250~ cores. if you get that its working ok. and that value should be repeated per card. then jus type cgminer again and input pool details you get the old fasioned cgminer layout so you can see card stats

THanks, I'll do this in the morning when I'm clear headed, I really don't need to fuck up the new miner. Sounds like this should simplify things.

So I pluged into the pi with my extra monitor.

I entered root and amt.

Right away it was showing the ip address my router assigned it. It also showed ) gh/s

So I tried

Killall cgminer ,and was met with,   No Process Killed (seems it wasn't running)

cgminer -DT ,was met with, command line options set a device that doesn't exist.

When I typed cgminer it did the following.

Checking board 2...
failed to write to fdesc -1 : Bad File Descriptor

No A1 Chip-Chain detected
SPI '/dev.spidev).0' :mode 1, bits 8, speed 2000

it repeats that for board 3 and 4
after board 4 it then says

All devices disabled, cannot mine

So I wasn't presented with the ability to enter my pool info. Essentially I have a $5795 raspberry pi.

Any thoughts?

I went through and rechecked all my cabling, rechecked that the backplane was properly seated, rechecked the backplane cable. GPIO is well seated.

The only thing (and this could obviously be the problem) is that the raspberry pi doesn't want to to seat well with the main board. The yellow video jack pushes up against the main board (poor design choice) I'm thinking I'll just unplug the pi from the main board and see what the pi says when I run it that way to see if it gives the same info.

I could always get an additional GPIO cable and use that to connect the pi to the main board.
586  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 11:13:11 AM
if It is possible just buy additional Rapi and split your setup .
the goal is always to use common ground from SINGLE PSU and never mixed PSU's grounds


Thats what I was hoping for out of the kit when they first brought up the idea, then they could have just sold modules as upgrades. I was thinking about running them independently in  a few rooms. Spread that heat out.
587  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 11:07:26 AM
SO I can pull up AMT's web interface but it's not recognizing the modules.

I keep looking at the CG miner logs and get a cgminer not connected page.
plug direct into the pi at start up with a hdmi and usb keyboard log in to the pi with u root p amt then type killall cgminer. this will stop the mining process then type cgminer -DT this will give you a massive list. better if you can putty into the miner then you can scroll back up but basically the info displayed will be a load of numbers and at bottom of each section summat like 8 chips with 250~ cores. if you get that its working ok. and that value should be repeated per card. then jus type cgminer again and input pool details you get the old fasioned cgminer layout so you can see card stats

THanks, I'll do this in the morning when I'm clear headed, I really don't need to fuck up the new miner. Sounds like this should simplify things.
588  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 10:04:06 AM
Also if anyone received a kit that actually included instructions,would you please scan said instructions, if they aren't a myth that is ;-)

589  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 04:44:16 AM
hmmm


If anyone is up and running with a kit and can post a picture of your set up I just want to make sure I'm not missing something.
590  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 04:30:21 AM
SO I can pull up AMT's web interface but it's not recognizing the modules.

I keep looking at the CG miner logs and get a cgminer not connected page.
591  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 02:13:27 AM
This arrive in a box with an assload of bubble wrap stuffed in wherever it could fit.
592  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 11, 2014, 12:24:23 AM
I got the pins back into place, And after that the back plane was easy to insert, but the connecter for the fans was missing so I have to run out and get an adapter.

The pi powered up appropriately. I'll get the miner up and going after I get the fans running. But right now I have bronchitis and I need to sleep.

593  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 10, 2014, 09:14:52 PM
My kit has arrived.

I'll snap some pics.

First a few quick notes. There was no documentation regarding proper assembly, though I was told it would be included. Most of it is self explanatory.

One set of the pins on the backplane are messed up. I don't know if this was due to improper shipping, because you can see just how bent out of place they are in comparison to the holes they are meant to be seated in just by looking at it. I'm weary of trying to put the pins back into their proper alignment just because if something were to go wrong I don't want them to deny RMA. 

Also my cage is bent, and noticeably so. To the point where if I were attempting to put another module in the cage it would not fit. Looks like no upgrades for me even if I purchased one with the new backplane.

The noticeable bend in the cage must have been prior to shipping because the fan that is on that part of the cage is only secured with three of four screws. This is because the bend does not allow for the holes to properly align. Of course this is going to lead to a fan that rattles causing undue noise.

I'll be putting a call in to Mr. Zipkin momentarily to gain some insight into what to do.
594  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 09, 2014, 03:59:26 PM
Crickets in here. The thread is uncharacteristically quiet today. AMT has gone silent again also. I imagine they are putting together the rest of the miners at this point. Hopefully we get that announcement they promised for yesterday. They dropped the ball on that. Like a basketball player without arms. Not alot of confidence on the communication if they keep dropping the ball. Hard to take them seriously when they cant even communicate back to us as they (AMT) said they would.


You never know one day out of the blue you may be contacted by the Zipkin the great and powerful out of the blue via phone call.

I'm going to be completely honest here. I was shocked that I actually got a call personally. It was welcome and hopefully signals a change in their willingness to communicate directly with customers. He was matter of fact on the phone and acknowledged that they had made mistakes. I can't imagine it's something the owner of the company wants to outright say but the fact they recognize it might be their saving grace. If they really work their asses off here there might be a chance they can turn it around.

If they focus on the positives like the fact they are finally shipping something. And maybe do some self promotion on their website they could spin things into a favorable light.

If they list the DIY kit option on the site as something to purchase it would give legitimacy to the product in that form.

We'll see how they handle things. My guess is they are getting the later orders shipped first with the thought that if they are going to honor the MPP they should get  into the newest orders first.

Then anyone who should have MPP can be dealt with at that point based on oldest order first. 
595  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 09, 2014, 02:33:00 PM
I won't be praying as I'm an atheist, but I've got my fingers and toes crossed that what I receive is in working order.
596  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 09, 2014, 02:28:20 PM
The issue with the coin wars calculators is it doesn't adjust for difficulty. So you won't make that amount of BTC month after month. 
597  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 09, 2014, 02:22:08 PM
Or take some urgent actions against AMT?
Yes it will be hard and probably it will not change your position at all and bring your money back, but it will change the situation for the feature.
And eventually Josh can go to jail in some point because that is what he deserves!
You have nothing to loose. It is your choice weather you will continue to act like victims or not!


Urgent actions such as? It would literally cost me more to retain a lawyer and bring a suit against AMT. That would be to get my funds back maybe a year from now. If they paid the collection agency I'd likely have to retain to get the money from them. Then of course the they will take their cut.

Depending on how I reinvest my bitcoins towards more power for mining, plus the anticipated increase in the price of bitcoin there is a very good chance I will make my investment back, if not profit. Especially because I've confirmed with FedEx that my miner has already shipped and will be here today or tomorrow.

 I ordered when the website said my miner would ship by the 31st of  March so my miner is about 10 days late, or roughly one increase in difficulty. Does it suck yes. But unlike people who ordered for BFL I'll have my miner thursday.

The only other better situation I could be in would be if I ordered from cointerra when I first had my money and that would have been an april delivery anyway, and they haven't even hit their stated hash rates or power consumption either.

I certainly didn't pick the winning horse, which would have been holding my money then buying bitcoin when it hit this low price, or the placing horse, cointerra just based on their getting product to market quicker, but with a 10 day delay I picked the showing horse.

I wouldn't call that victimization. At least not in my case, but there are a lot of other people who bought from AMT under different circumstances than myself and were strung along for months.

Also aside from the investing, monetarily, aspect of bitcoin I wanted to be part of the bigger bitcoin world. In that my hardware is helping to grow the network because I believe in the idea of a decentralized currency and what it can bring to the world.


Now to address the idea of Josh going to jail me suing him wouldn't cause him any jail time. Thats not how the US justice system works, I'm not able to bring him up on criminal charges only the government can. So when my refund request was ignored I followed the next logical step which was a complaint ic3 and FTC. Those are bodies that have the power to bring AMT up on criminal charges.

A quick nod back to civil legal action though and you'll see in the lawyer in clennel's case is trying to certify a class of those who ordered from AMT and 1. didn't receive their hardware, 2. Received hardware late (myself) or, 3.  were denied refunds upon request ( I fall under this too).

So if the class is indeed certified I'm entitled to a portion of any of the money that the class may receive as a settlement or via the trial.  So it's pointless for me to spend money on an independent suit.
598  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 09, 2014, 01:30:37 PM
its nice to see a few more fellow miners are getting their tracking numbers through Smiley looks like AMT are shipping kits now at least
Yeah the truth of the crap will be reviled soon Grin

Ask for your money guys....That is best option for you


I'm confused as to why you think we didn't ask for our money.

Many of us did and were ignored.
Because you lost them already. Because what you are about to get eventually will be crap. Because you have dignity. Because 1000 other reasons
But this are your money so it is your decision only!


I'm thinking there is something lost in translation here.

So I'll say again, we did ask for our money. It was not given to us. We can not go up to them at gunpoint and ask for a refund. They denied the refund, so many people filed complaints with the federal agencies in order to get said money back. But that doesn't make the money magically appear in our wallets or bank accounts. Only the company can choose to refund us. And the choice they made was to ignore the laws that require them to give full and prompt refunds. They instead continued to stall and then shipped hardware. None of which was in our control as they had already decided to not refund us.

If that has changed I'll gladly turn right around and ship that miner (kit) back  in exchange for a full refund. ( even shipping at my own expense) Because I can then take that money and purchase more hashing power elsewhere.

Almost 2TH instantly on pb mining.

But the fact of the matter is they aren't issuing refunds to those who want them.
599  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 09, 2014, 01:10:56 PM
its nice to see a few more fellow miners are getting their tracking numbers through Smiley looks like AMT are shipping kits now at least
Yeah the truth of the crap will be reviled soon Grin

Ask for your money guys....That is best option for you


I'm confused as to why you think we didn't ask for our money.

Many of us did and were ignored.
600  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Official Thread: AMT on: April 09, 2014, 09:57:54 AM
I got a personal call from Mr. Zipkin himself, as well as a text.

When I woke up I gave him a call back and talked to him on the phone. My miner is on the way, but apparently my tracking number is dust in the wind.
He did inform me I could call FedEx and receive the status of the shipment  using my name and address, but I had already done that earlier that morning. So I knew when it would be arriving.

He did apologize profusely about the lack of customer service saying it was one mistake of many the company has made at this point. There was sincerity in his voice, no trace of ego nor pompous attitude.

Anyway, I should be able to share more about the shipment when I recieve it. I'll document everything from un boxing it to set up with pictures. I'll get a video up of it hashing by friday if not later thursday evening.

It all depends on when FedEx arrives.  

Other than that I hope their new found commitment to partial refunds or upgrades will extend to those whose kits they shipped. It would just require them to ship a new backplane and extra board. Partial refunds for the missing case and PSU would be nice as it would at least offset some of the cost of the power supplies I purchased. Obviously I'd prefer the extra hashing power though ;-)

I'm hoping my boards end up doing the. 1.5 in turbo that casey achieved rather than the 850 experienced by one of the other user here.

Time will tell, but I'll make sure I get it up for the community to see.

I really don't get this at all... According to the order list your order number is in the 1400s yet I'm still waiting for them to fulfill my order 899, and others also ahead of you are waiting like me. AMT please tell me why my order hasn't shipped yet? Please don't tell me it's because they opted for kits either, as I have similarly expressed my acceptance of said kits as long as hash rate isn't affected....

I have emailed, called, posted and yet you give me no information whatsoever on my order.

Anyway Rik good to hear your miner has shipped - excited to see your reviews



As to why I get mine I'm not exactly sure, but I've been pretty constantly hounding them via e-mail and perhaps I just over annoyed them. I really can't give you an answer on that, wish I could.

I am hoping it is because you fix things, and your info on getting it up and running will be helpful and concise Smiley

Ha, I don't know about fix things. I have a lot of mechanical and technological aptitude, but I am mostly out of practice. I mean sure I can assemble a computer from parts, but I've never worked in manufacturing. And the most technical I've got was getting in a getting my 360 from RRoDing by popping it open and troubleshooting. I can follow the fuck out of some directions.

I'm good at documentation of a process though and can hopefully at least show the rig working at the advertised (if not better) speeds.

Still deciding where I'm going to set it up but I do know it will involve fireproof or fire retardant cloth in the area, in case it all goes to shit.
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