Coming from Labcoin-Thread where everyone screams to call the SEC and seeing the ActiveMining Thread were everyone hates the SEC and wants to get rid of them... oh the irony...  I dont like the pricedrop i see in my asset so far... @kslaughter... Whats the status of the mining farm? |
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Das wird ihm leider gar nichts nutzen. Solange auch nur ein US-Bürger noch Aktien dort besitzt kommt er da nicht raus. Zumindest ist es bei deutschen Aktiengesellschaften so, wenn sie mal in den US-Börsen waren und US-Bürger Aktien dort noch besitzen, dann kommen sie nicht mehr raus. Ich könnte mir vorstellen dass das hier auch so gilt.
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Is there no one that lives near BKKCoins and can check his place? Maybe a subforum will help when his details are known. Or is there no address?
Its really strange...
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natürlich nicht, er wusste ja nicht das die chips (wirklich) noch geliefert werden.  Deswegen beschäftigt er sich mit dem Verkauf von Preordern Und da es ja alles Sonderanfertigungen auf Kundenwunsch sind kann er ja den Auftraggeber hinhalten bis die Dinger nichts mehr wert sind, er hat ja seinen Schnitt gemacht. Verlust, den hat er gemacht. Knappe 20.000 Euro Verlust. Stimmt... er hat sich sogar bei den 50% Refund übernommen. Zu großzügig geschätzt. Deswegen hofft er dass die Bitfurys wenigstens ein Erfolg werden weil er zu seinem Wort stehen will. Bei burnin hab ich eigentlich keine Zweifel dass er ehrlich ist. |
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I will provide Escrow here. The Escrowaddress is: 1B9yH8csiujoBSNjVPhgrZjdm7f27EXKFq When the needed amount is reached i will order the Miner with the target address provided by SolarWindMining. |
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So my chips from Zefir which have been with you for over a 10 days now have not been even sent to production?
Guess what buddy, it's not only your chips. There are plenty of people waiting for their remaining boards to be shipped, including me. You are free to take your business elsewhere if you are not satisfied with the service provided. Sincerely, Go cry somewhere else. I know other peoples chips are there as well, asshole. It's not crying when my problem is completely legitimate. I just voiced my discontent because we were promised a board production capacity of, and I quote burnin: "Timescale:
Usual Processing time for on order: 5 to 10 Days after receiving the customers chips.
Production capability ~1000 modules per week.
" Did he overestimate his production capability? Probably, but then he shouldn't have promised something he couldn't even meet even 50% on. I have heard barely a peep from burnin, and only received half-assed responses to a couple of the several emails I have sent him since August. Did he overwhelm himself? Probably, but, it shouldn't be at our expense, HE is the one who claimed to be able to meet the demand. I very much applaud him for his time and effort, and I doubt he is making much money on this project, but that is a risk he took, as is the risk I (and everyone else here) took, to give him money to pay for a service he claimed to be ready to do. Granted hes busy building them, and I very much commend him for his time and effort into this, but between the Avalon chip debacle, the delays with burnin's production, and then the fact that it has to be shipped internationally to me (and many more of us), we'll be lucky to have paperweights by the end of October, given that difficulty is increasing 20-30% every 10 days. Problem is, I already have a sunk cost of 240 chips from zefir, and the fact that burnins production rate is significantly slower than originally claimed is incredibly frustrating. If me voicing my very much valid concern is 'crying' to you, then feel free to hit the ignore button. That's what it's there for right? Its different than before this all went to waste. Firstly... he only can afford to pay one assembler now since the amount of boards that will be built are way less than anticipated. That lowers the speed. Next thing is that the assembler without noticing burnin started to mainenance his placement machines. Another result of the late time the chips came in. And the next thing is that zefirs chips came even later than mine. Which means bitfury boards were already in production in the meantime. So the bitburners for zefir now got a place in line again. Everything result of the late coming of the chips and the small amount of boards to be produced now. |
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Shouldnt trading have stopped? I still see trades in labcoin history.
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As long as the drug trading is forbidden nothing good comes from connecting bitcoins to drug trading. This only would lead to stupid old mans screaming that bitcoins has to be forbidden. Even though bitcoin cant be forbidden so easily it would hurt the bitcoinprice very much. And a currency that cant be used to buy many things it not really useful in the long run.
The only way i would find it ok for bitcoins connected to drugs is, when drugs are legal. The war on drugs in lost and when america tried to forbid alcohol it had the same effect it has today. Criminals took over the business.
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Burnin hat die Chips, also ist der Vertrag des Kunden erfüllt. Jetzt muss er liefern.
Ich habe ihn heute angerufen. Er sagte mir dass alle unsere Boards erstellt sind, einige sind noch beim Hersteller und werden getestet und burnin verpackt und verschickt boards jeden Tag. Er kann allerdings nicht sagen wann alles fertig sein wird.
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I called him today. He told me that all of our boards are built, a couple of them are still tested at the assemblers place and burnin is packaging and shipping boards each day. Though of course he couldnt tell me when all will be done.
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Fragen wir mal anders: Was konnte man vor 2013 mit Bitcoins kaufen?  Gold, Euros, Mining Equipment? Also ich kenne keinen der wegen Drogen zu Bitcoins kam. Alle kamen zu Bitcoins weil es eine tolle Sache war. Weil man Geld mit dem Computer verdienen konnte. Und weil der Kurs stieg und man damit echte Sachen kaufen konnte. Natürlich nach Umtausch in Euros. Aber Silkroad war da kein Thema. |
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If not a scam, and if they had the chips, and if those chips hashed, Labcoin would still not be able to compete with real ASIC companies due to having an obsolete chip.
Maybe you should ask friedcat why he ordered again a big batch of the oldest asic gen. |
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Fail logic.
1. If Labcoin
had chips, and those chips hashed, and hashed at full speed, it could cook up moar batches & mine with those chips at cost.
2. If Bitfury, KNC, ASICminer, Avalon, etc.
had chips (they do), and those chips hashed (they do), and hashed at full speed (they do), they could cook up moar batches & mine with those chips at cost.
See the problem here?
The problem? That you assume they dont have chips? I dont see another problem. They have chips that have a problem that has to be solved. Thats it. When this works they will mine and sell hardware. What else? Everyone has better chips? You realize that this isnt for endusers? Well yes I do realize that. My point is that even end-users are going to have it better than Labcoin. And again, you are completely ignoring that any delays are deadly. Difficulty is going to explode. Right... diffi is exploding. But where do you have the idea from that endusers can compete with someone owning an asic design? I think THATS deluded. Even Asicminer is ordering another big batch of the oldest asic gen. Which is better than Labcoin's, is known to work, and probably costs a lot less now that they're used to make it. And they can sell it fast, too. Simply because they OWN the design and can create miners at cost. Thats completely different than the competition between endusers buying expensive miners from companies. So no, these chips are not dead. You cant calculate with enduserprices here.
You are so deluded. What they "OWN" is a turd. Did you read the chat? The chip design seems to work. So when they make another batch with better enclosure they have chips that will work fully. Claiming that owning a working chip design is worthless... man, im not sure if i can take you serious. |
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Ich kanns dir nächstes Jahr sagen, nachdem wir unsere erste Steuererklärung zurück kriegen. Haben jedenfalls schon mal ne Rechtsschutzversicherung für die Firma abgeschlossen. Der Anwalt und der Buchhalter sind schon am Bitcoinliteratur büffeln.  Wo wir uns noch unsicher sind ist, als was wir die Bitcoins deklarieren wollen. Eine Idee war, als Handelsware, somit wären die Verkäufe auf einem ausländischen Handelsplatz Mwst frei, da die Coins ja ins Ausland exportiert wurden. Haben aber noch Zeit uns festzulegen. Desweitern brauchts auch nach den 21Mio noch miner. Ich würde mich an deiner Stelle an den Verlautbarungen der Bafin in Deutschland und derjenigen des Bundesfinanzministeriums halten. Deren Einschätzung dürfte auch für die Schweiz ähnlich gelten bzw von den Behörden so interpretiert werden. Das ist eben die Frage. Unsere Steuergesetzte sind in vielen Punkten komplett anders. Regeln wie 1 Jahr halten und dann Steuerfrei gibts bei uns nicht! Das mit der Deklaration als Handelserzeugniss war ja nur mal ne Idee. Haben ja noch 3 Monate Zeit um uns schlau zu machen. Wie verbindlich sind denn "Einschätzungen" in Deutschland? Bei uns hat jeder Kanton Steuerhoheit. Das heisst, jeder Kanton kann praktisch seine eigenen Steuer-Gesetze machen, solange kein Bundesgesetz besteht! Klingt schwierig. Verbindlich ist das sicher nicht. Obwohl das Bundesfinanzministerium sicher schon was aussagt bezüglich der rechtlichen Einschätzung. Solange ich nicht mal einen Steuerberater finde der weiß was Bitcoins oder Fiat-Geld sind und die Finanzämter auch keine Ahnung haben bleibt halt nur sich an rechtliche Einschätzungen zu halten... |
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Dann guck dir doch mal genauer die Korrelation zwischen dem Bekanntwerden von SR und folgender Nachrichten und dem BTC Kursverlauf an.
Alles natürlich pre 2013.
Und dann was heute passiert ist, nachdem ein unbedeutender Marktplatz, der einen Umsatz von 10kk BTC generiert hat und den 1kk User genutzt haben, geschlossen wurde.
Ich bin sicher es lassen sich einige andere Seiten finden die zu dem Zeitpunkt gestartet sind und von denen man dann behaupten könne wegen ihnen wäre der Kurs gestiegen. Ich behaupte SR hatte nichts damit zu tun. Und der Kursfall ist auch nicht verwunderlich. Niemand mag es wenn Bitcoins negativ in die Nachrichten kommen. Kann auch sein dass der eine oder andere Dealer seine Bitcoins verkauft hat da er sie jetzt nicht mehr braucht. Der Markt ist nicht gerade so dick dass der Verkauf von vielen Bitcoins den Kurs nicht drücken würde. Aber solange SR nicht einen großen Teil der Bitcointransaktionen ausmachen würde halte ich nichts davon SR so viel Einfluss beizumessen. |
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Bitcoins gäbe es doch ohne SR garnicht.
Und wenn dann würden ein paar Geeks ihre Fantasysammelkärtchen dagegen tauschen.
oO Du denkst Bitcoins sind groß geworden wegen SR? Halte ich für eine abenteurliche Theorie. Ich kann mir nicht vorstellen dass SR einen derart großen Anteil an den Bitcointransaktionen überhaupt hatte. |
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@kleeck... how certain is it that these miners are in hands of the miners on start of december? And even though i think the calculator you used it the best available... this website only takes a certain percent of diff rise per month. Even though its 126% per month now this 30 day percent constantly is rising. So i think the div will be maybe at 137% then 158% and so on the next months. So i think the calculation probably is too good to be true. On top the uncertainty that comes with preorders.
We don't truly know when products will be shipped from anyone. Could be end of November, could be the end of December. This is the best analysis I knew how to do. The Genesis Block uses near-exponential difficulty rises from month to month. I think the projections are plenty realistic. Yes, they user exponential difficulty. But thats not enough. Exponentially would be 30% each month. But these percent per month are rising exponentially itself. Thats even worse. |
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Ok but you realize what Pankkake is saying is that. The LAST of the funds for Labcoin will be going into fixing chips that CANNOT be fixed. That is what Pankkake is saying. So when you run out of FUNDS and have NO working chips. What do you reinvest with? And with that, what do you reinvest in? there is no one on the team to design the chips anymore. That guy has apparently been gone for months.
As far as i read its only the package that is faulty. So simply use another package with the next production run and you can reuse the chipdesign. He did not say that the chipdesign is faulty. This is not a normal Mining Company. This is a reinvesting mining company that owns their own asic design. Ugh, I hope everyone here knows that already. Here's the thing: it's worthless. Everyone else has better chips now and is planning even better chips. Why would they produce more chips… when they're the worst on the market? They had a tiny window, and they missed it big time. Everyone has better chips? You realize that this isnt for endusers? Even Asicminer is ordering another big batch of the oldest asic gen. Simply because they OWN the design and can create miners at cost. Thats completely different than the competition between endusers buying expensive miners from companies. So no, these chips are not dead. You cant calculate with enduserprices here. |
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In the latest Q&A Labcoin did not want to do a refund but said he would spend the bitcoins he still has to fix the chips, as an excuse to not refund the coins left in the company. The chips are now way too late so even fixing them will not be cost-effective. Even if they are legit, they are doing something that will be less profitable for their investors than a refund... so... scam anyway.
This is not a normal Mining Company. This is a reinvesting mining company that owns their own asic design. With this it doesnt matter much when the first chips come online. They will reinvest and gain a certain amount of network hashrate. Thats completely different as mining companies that have a hashrate target in TH and then stop and its different from the average reinvesting security that has to buy for nearly enduserprices. |
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I wonder if this board can do much. I mean there was already TheSwede who should keep contact with Sam. It didnt work because Sam didnt inform him correctly. So why should this change now with 10 persons waiting? I dont really see it.
On the other hand... if these 10 persons really have knowledge they could provide real help to sam.
I dont have the skills for judging there, i would like to provide help though im not sure if i could be any help. But my main concern is if these 10 people will get a better contact than theswede.
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