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5861  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are transaction hashes predictable? on: November 12, 2011, 12:31:16 AM
The block hashes and transaction hashes are both hexidecimal.  Are there any characters that would be more likely to appear at the beginning or the end, just based on the algorithms used?  I know that certain letters/numbers at the beginning of bitcoin addresses can be harder to find, because they show up less often as results in the algorithm used to create a public bitcoin address, so I am wondering if there is any similar quirks to the hashing of blocks or transactions...?

Block hashes must start with a certain number of zeroes, and the first digits after the zeroes will also be non-random. Probably the bits at the end are random, though I would hash the hash to make sure.

Each bit of cryptographic hash output is supposed to (ideally) have an equal chance of being a 1 or a 0.
5862  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Wallet encryption bug found (IMPORTANT!) on: November 12, 2011, 12:08:40 AM
Features seem to be considered stable way too quickly. I'd like a version scheme like this:
- Add new features to 0.5.
- At some point, stop adding new features to 0.5 and call that the "unstable" release. Start adding new features to 0.6.
- 0.4 remains the "stable" release for at least 6 months, and it is recommend that newbies use this version. The unstable version is also available in binary form and can be easily used.
- Once 0.5 has been unstable for 6+ months, call that one stable.
- As many past 0.x releases as possible continue to get bugfixes for people who like to use really stable software.

I'm still using 0.3.19, and it works fine with only a few modifications. I avoided several bugs by doing this.

Once this problem is fixed, it would be a good idea to issue an alert for users of affected versions. Maybe not many users are affected, but it seems irresponsible to not notify these users when they can be notified.
5863  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Are transaction hashes predictable? on: November 11, 2011, 09:56:05 PM
Transaction hashes could be used if you have some secret data that you combine with the hash. Then the lottery manager can manipulate things, though.

Block hashes can be used for randomness pretty safely after you hash them again to remove the leading zeroes. If you have a lottery that pays out much more than the block reward you might want to combine the hashes of several consecutive blocks (and maybe also their Merkle roots), since miners could try "re-rolling" a few times.
5864  Other / Meta / Re: Add an "Auctions" board under Market place and disallow editing posts there on: November 11, 2011, 03:51:56 AM
Done. Topic starters can still lock their topics.
5865  Other / Meta / Re: Okay, so what are we supposed to do in an "auctions" subforum? on: November 11, 2011, 03:48:16 AM
Auctions.
5866  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: [ANNOUNCE] Bitcoin Fog: Secure Bitcoin Anonymization on: November 10, 2011, 10:32:21 PM
Here's PHP code I wrote to do address verification (and other things):
http://pastebin.com/vmRQC7ha

Bitcoin also has a validateaddress JSON command.
5867  Other / Meta / Re: Add an "Auctions" board under Market place and disallow editing posts there on: November 10, 2011, 10:30:09 PM
This is a good idea. I will create it later today.
5868  Other / Off-topic / Re: How many accounts has Atlas made and why isn't he banned yet? on: November 10, 2011, 05:17:23 AM
I don't have a problem with alt accounts as long as they're not used to evade bans. Atlas is not banned.
5869  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: bitcoin:<action>:<address>:<amount>:<comment> Web-based protocol on: November 10, 2011, 03:49:28 AM
This has been discussed a million times, and there are already a million different proposed URI protocols. Why is yours better?
5870  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 09, 2011, 04:59:55 AM
Hi theymos, thanks for the easily exploitable quote Smiley
SIGGED

I first found Bitcoin on 4chan, so I especially like 4chan. Wink
5871  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 09, 2011, 04:20:45 AM
Quote from: mjcmurfy
So the best way to ensure ideas can be expressed effectively is to ban any form of imagery and limit people's means of communication to text only? This is broken logic.

You're not limited to text. You can easily include a direct link to an image, and readers can access the image with a single click. It's not a huge barrier.

Quote from: mjcmurfy
How can you judge their worth anyway?

With links instead of embedded images, readers will judge the worth of images before clicking on them.

Quote from: mjcmurfy
But there are many ways you can prevent the linking of dynamic images, and thus prevent cookie stuffing.

Either the forum needs to check and recheck images constantly, which is expensive, or client-side code needs to be used to prevent large images, which might not work for all users. I don't find either of these solutions acceptable.

Quote from: mjcmurfy
They do NOT use up any of this server's bandwidth. Are you kidding me? The request is not sent from this server, it is sent from the users viewing the images - using up the bandwidth the image is hosted on, not bitcointalk's bandwidth.

Obviously I was talking about the bandwidth of readers...

Quote from: mjcmurfy
Turn down the fidelity of your browser's error reporting if it's a problem for you.

All major browsers will do something different when viewing pages with mixed content. On Firefox and recent versions of IE the URL bar changes color. On older versions of IE a dialog box popped up on every such page.

Quote from: mjcmurfy
Why not hold a vote on the issue to find out how correct your assumptions are?

I know that my security concerns are justified.

A vote would determine only what the majority of current users want, which is not very important. It's easy for the majority to be wrong.

These forums don't need to become 4chan just to allow photos, and what kind of an admin can't restrict sizes?

I like 4chan. On 4chan, every image is hosted locally, so there are no security problems, and each image is the same, small size until you click on it. I want to do the same thing here, but without the thumbnail (since this is not an imageboard and images are not the central focus).

Fine. Fair point. So make sig images turned off by default, but let people turn them on if they choose! What you are proposing removes all choice entirely from the user. You are doing the very opposite of providing "freedom and choice" which you ironically use as justification for limiting those very things.

I'm fine with that:
SMF doesn't support this. If it did, I would definitely allow the option of showing signature images.

I'd add it now if I could figure out how to add a new user setting in a reasonable amount of time.

Quote from: evoorhees
If you remove images there is a great "unknown" cost... all the good information that otherwise would've been conveyed, yet nobody will ever know about it or account for it.

I'm getting rid of embedded images. Not images entirely. If you like images, you can click the image links. This works very well on IRC, 4chan, and the other sites/systems I mentioned previously.

Someone might not care about another user's mining stats, but what about an image that shows how many donations a charity has recieved?

It would be far down on my list of things to do, but I wouldn't be opposed to having the server fetch a small text file every once in a while to display in signatures/posts.

Bottom line:  Allow signature images-- if I don't like them, I can add a greasemonkey user script to hide them in literally 30 seconds.

Like I said before, I think it's a better policy to assume that people don't want images. You can write a GreaseMonkey script to expand all directly-linked images in a few minutes, too.

here're more things to consider to disable:

emoticons
icons
css styles
js

as it is not real information and therefor completely worthless and offtopic, just taking extra space and bandwith

Emoticons probably will be eliminated with the next software. Images in the layout will be reduced. The other things are used to attractively structure data and create features. Even Bitcoin Block Explorer uses CSS and JavaScript.

I find avatars to be useful in quickly identifying posters, so I'm almost never annoyed by those. You can also disable seeing them in your settings.
5872  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 08, 2011, 07:32:04 AM
No images?  Why not add in the ability to turn on/off signature images along with the other laundry list of features for your new forum software?

It is in the list, under optional features:
Quote
- An option that expands [img] tags into embedded images. This must not be the default.
5873  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 08, 2011, 05:46:39 AM
I'm not going to re-enable signature images again when it is planned to remove all embedded images in the future. There was only one complaint about that in the thread about forum software specifications. Why weren't you guys complaining when I posted that?

The advertising thing didn't even cross my mind as part of this decision. I don't receive any money from the forum, so I don't care that much about ad profitability...

I honestly must have forgot about this, I didn't know there was constraints already.  I kept seeing that intersango site's large header and thought that would be too large, but no one said anything.

I removed that image from gejix's signature when he had it there. He sometimes adds it to intersango-related posts, but it contains some semi-relevant text, so I usually don't want to remove it.

from business perspective sig buttons and banners are more valuable than avatars as long as there are some rules outlined.
i personally like idea where everyone can put small buttons for free and paying top advertisers allowed to put in their sigs wider banners

Not to mention, the sig bars add tremendous ability for businesses in the bitcoin world to get some awareness. Personally, I really like finding out about new businesses and sites in the sig bar graphics. They help seed new ventures, and cross-pollinate ideas. Again, some are annoying or useless, but that's part of the package. 

Ideas can be spread without annoying anyone by using text links in signatures. Or you can start a new topic about your idea.

Maybe viewing signatures as ad space explains many of the low-quality posts: people just want to put their signature "advertisements" on as many pages as possible.

I'd just like to see a vote on it, rather than theymos deciding that his personal preferences are what is best for everyone.

My goal is to make the best Bitcoin forum possible, not to appeal to current users. I will of course consider all arguments against the policy.

These are not arguments of any kind...
I'm signing this.
one more vote.
My thoughts EXACTLY cablepair!
I didn't have the balls to suggest it - but since you brought it up...
another vote, with highlighting.

Quote from: Serge
people who don't like images can disable them in their forum profiles.

SMF doesn't support this. If it did, I would definitely allow the option of showing signature images.

Per user turning on/off images in signatures can be pretty easy, however needs some custom development. When somebody put image to his signature, some special html class should be given to HTML representation of this image. Then anybody can check on/off "Show images in signature" in his account settings, which will modify CSS style 'display' for this html class (that piece of css style can be placed inline to page source)...

Then you'd still download the full image, which would waste bandwidth and still make users vulnerable to cookie stuffing attacks. The image would need to be completely removed or turned into a simple link.

Oh really?

.signature
{
max-width: 468px;
max-height: 60px;
}

Like I said, I'm sure it is possible to limit sizes technologically. That still leaves other problems.

Also, the next forum software will disable all image embedding?  Whoa, talk about a step backwards!  I guess some people really DO still want to be stuck in the 90's.

The signature graphics are a fundamental part of the community. They allow a means of visual expression in what is otherwise a dull text world. Some bars are ugly, some are cool, some are informative, some are annoying. Whatever... they are expression, and the forum is made better for it. 

Net-net, sig bar images make the forum better. Removing them is a very bad idea and damages what some of us here enjoy as a very strong and dynamic community.

And DEFINITELY do not ban embedded images within posts. That would be signing the death warrant of this forum. Who the hell wants to frequent a text-only forum that bans all forms of imagery? Last time I checked, this was not the Soviet Union.

The purpose of this forum is to provide a place where ideas can be expressed and consumed with as much freedom as possible. I have determined that the best way of facilitating this goal is to disallow embedded images.

Signature images are never useful in exchanging ideas. They never contribute anything to the discussion at hand. Maybe they help you understand the poster better, but understanding posters is not the point of most threads. Signature images are off-topic in almost every thread they appear in.

This is often also true of embedded images in general. I would estimate that half of all images posted recently are totally off-topic, and perhaps only a tenth contribute significantly to the discussion. Many images are somewhat on-topic and useful, but they take up more space than they're worth.

Text can also be off-topic (both in signatures and out), but text takes up much less space, and it's less distracting.

There are also security problems: Images can be used to execute cookie stuffing and cross-site request forgery attacks; they use a lot of bandwidth; and they prevent bitcointalk.org's HTTPS from appearing totally "kosher" to browsers. These issues could be solved by hosting all images at bitcointalk.org, but this isn't worth the trouble.

Yes, users can block images in their browsers. But it seems to me most correct to assume that users don't want something possibly unwanted than to assume they do want it. Posts are categorized so that readers have a choice in what they read. I want images to be placed, along with all other non-textual data, into a category that requires an extra choice on the part of readers.

Most of my favorite forum-like things -- NNTP, BBSes, Kareha-style text boards, Reddit, Metafilter etc. --  do not traditionally allow embedded images, and they do just fine.
5874  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 08, 2011, 12:12:43 AM
I don't like embedded images. They usually clutter up the discussion without much benefit. This is especially true of signature images: they take up more screen space than a few paragraphs, but they provide almost no value.

If you replace your signature image with a short direct link to an image, it would be easy for someone to write a GreaseMonkey script that expands these images.
5875  Economy / Services / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 8 on: November 07, 2011, 11:43:10 PM
It is now November 7. Are there any more recent statistics?

I recently enabled an option that collects stats constantly:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=stats

I've not yet decided how accurate these are. I may remove them later, since they are very different from the result I get when I analyze the access logs:

grep -c '05/Nov/2011' access.log: 966037
pcregrep -c '05/Nov/2011.*GET [^ ]+topic=' access.log: 124119 <- I think I'll use this number next time.
5876  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: OP_EVAL proposal on: November 07, 2011, 11:18:49 PM
The average user won't have to worry about it. If you enable the feature where a second device is required for spending, the client will just start giving you addressversion-1 addresses. You won't notice any other change, since the client will handle everything.
5877  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: OP_EVAL proposal on: November 07, 2011, 07:50:39 PM
I'd still prefer "new and brave" transactions to use a different address format though.

Then every merchant will have to update clients whenever users want to use a new transaction type. With OP_EVAL, a merchant could keep running the same version for years (assuming there are no bugs) and still send transactions using the latest scripts.

It also improves decentralization, since there will be no need to coordinate assignment of address version numbers. (And there are only 256 address version numbers to assign -- too few to cover all scripts.)

People who request an OP_EVAL transaction will know exactly how many extra bytes it will take to redeem the transaction. They shouldn't be surprised by fees.
5878  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 07, 2011, 07:34:19 PM
I believe a more false statement cannot be made.  I guarantee as soon as people know the image size rules, you will never see more people ratting on other Bitcoin Forum users than ever.  If no one is ratting, they truly do not mind the image size.   I assure you though, someone will always notice.  Been on forums before that had self regulation of this specific kind that worked.

I know that this is not true, since the policy has always been that the entire signature area can't be much larger than 468px x 60px. Yet almost every time I view a topic I see someone with larger signature images. Usually I don't feel like dealing with it, but I've probably removed fifty or more signatures that were too large.
5879  Economy / Services / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 8 on: November 07, 2011, 06:45:00 AM
Is there a way to buy a month at a time?

No.
5880  Other / Meta / Re: No more signature images on: November 07, 2011, 05:35:18 AM
Can a standardized image size be enforced via scripting.  i.e. no matter what size image a user includes it will always be resized to x by y pixels.

It probably could be done, but I don't like the idea of images in signatures, anyway. The next forum software will eliminate all embedded images.
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