It's either provably fair or not provably fair.
The fact that you would never cheat your players doesn't make it provably fair. Neither does how many games are played per day or how many hours it would take to influence a single round of play.
If a single round of play can be influenced, it's not provably fair.
Great point! I have to say, I think this is one of the best responses I've seen to an operator rebuttal. I didn't think it would happen, but after sending some e-mails off to a couple casino operators, I received similar public relation / marketing responses. Discussed some of the importance here. A few years ago, I posted some side-channel attacks on provably fair. Received, pretty much, the same response. A total guess, but somewhat similar to the Vegas Strip changing their 3:2 blackjack to 6:5. In this case, casinos realized that the demographic of the Strip that didn't care about odds outweighed the others. Those who did care were more likely to move off-strip anyway in search of better odds, basically becoming the niche market. Perhaps the frontier of provably fair will only move so far as players demand it. Rather, I hope casino operators take a proactive approach. If you are gambler and understand the concept of provably fair, you're a minority. If you work in PR and understand the concept of provably fair you're an anomaly. |
|
|
|
Please note that hungerstyle deliberately deleted certain e-mails and excerpts from the screen capture that he posted. He did it on purpose to make it appear as if he is the victim here.
We worked very hard during the past 2.5 years to build a solid reputation here and were very surprised to see that some members here attacked us without even trying to verify if hungerstyle, an hacker hiding behind a newbie account that was opened solely for this case, is telling the truth.
We posted evidence on this fraud attempt in the official response on post # 7.
We do have additional evidence, and we will post it here after hungerstyle post his version as he told us via e-mail. This is required so that he won't keep changing versions.
hungerstyle knows to speak English very well when he wants to. His English was very fluent when he threatened to attack our website.
These emails were posted weeks ago. You're desperately trying to "trick" this guy into incriminating himself. It's painfully obvious and childish. You've gone from addressing each point made by anyone, I respected that, to ignoring anyone who questions your actions; hoping to come up with some shred of evidence that will somehow prove what you haven't been able to over the past month. Pay the man his money and fix your exploitable sports book. |
|
|
|
|
RHaver, you're more likely to convince the pope that Jesus never walked on water than convince a riggie like Darkwin your game isn't rigged.
|
|
|
|
First of all I'm going to let everyone know that I am one of the largest affiliate for Betcoin; take it for what it's worth. Second of all I have to point out that Twitchy didn't list the rewards or rake information for the sites. After all that's an important aspect of a poker room that players care about.
Also I think part of the reason traffic has been down lately is because it's summer time (people are out more) and because of the WSOP.
Rakeback/VIP program structures will be explained in summaries, I'll get them up after sunday. I didn't include them in the chart because they are complicated. Xiaos affiliate is probably the only affiliate that's worth mentioning because of Betcoins corrupt way of doing business. My trust feedback of Xiao goes into more detail, I'll leave it out of this thread for now. |
|
|
|
So far what I`m reading are certain issues that are very clear despite the on-going debate.
1. Person A decided to use their own principal of a doublespend
2. Casino confirms the bet of the doublespend.
3. Person A opens a thread talks about bad support issues - creates noise - in chance they credit their initial deposit
4. Direct Bet is requesting a address confirmation (their personal security reasons to follow this address)
Am I missing something here?
But whats bugging me is the lack of transparency on the conversations taken place with the email needs to be presented on this thread so everyones on the same page.
It hasn't been proven that person A intentionally tried to defraud DirectBet. Given the evidence, it's likely they did, but it has not been proven. RHavers response disputes DirectBets judgement successfully: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg14993739#msg14993739DirectBet since proved that another doublespend was previously linked to the payout address and therefor considers RHavers statement void. However, the previous doublespend evidence, like the rest of the evidence, is completely circumstantial. Edit: Others have also disputed DB claim (like me), im pointing out RHaver because I think his opinion is the most respected in general.Person A has also stated he would be able to access the funds if they were sent to the original withdraw address. DirectBet is claiming that they are capable of somehow stopping future double spend attempts on their anonymous website by obtaining the identity of one individual. This seems irrational. I believe the only way to avoid this situation is to eliminate the possibility of anyone being able to exploit the system. Not just one. DirectBet has claimed they have no intention of keeping the 36 bitcoin. DirectBet, do you believe you are entitled to the 36 bitcoin? If this isn't resolved soon, I intend to bring a lot more attention to it. |
|
|
|
** I am involved with Moneypot.com that is considering adding Poker in the future
As an individual, thank you for putting this list together.
From my experience, SWC is usually more in the 6-24 hours range, but is one of my favourite poker rooms (despite occasional crashes).
I'd recommend a '5' level for well beyond 24 hours. BCP (while having an amazing amount of traffic from the WPN network) has always been at least 24 hours but more like an average time of 3-5 days.
Ideally, I'd like to see ONE big poker hub, even if it meant several sites each connecting to the same network.
Too many with low amount of visitors makes it discouraging to expect to always have a game when you want to.
That's awesome. Do you know what you're doing for software? I just checked out cyberdecks desktop client earlier, seemed decent and they have all your favorite draw/ofc game. No games so i didn't bother depositing. ty for update on cashouts, How do these look? 1)Instant 2)1-6 hours 3)6 - 24 hours 4)1-3 days 5)4+ days Now I think it might be better to just the put the ave wait time instead of 1-5 I thouht betcoin.ag is on the WPN network but your chart shows WTN...
Please let me know what WTN stands for.
Nice thread, I will keep an eye on it.
I'm going to have more explanations up there soon. But basically Winning Poker Network (WPN) = 6 or 7 sites (fiat based) that share liquidity in all games. Wpn created the Winning Tournament Network (WTN) to increase their player pool. Basically if you license the igtsoft software, they will let your players play select mtts/sngs and I think they just split the fee. WTN = No WPN Cash games, jackpot sngs (might change) or limited promotions. Nice work.
Wtf is "red latina" network?
It is some kind of Argentinian network. At any Fortunejack table you will typically find ~90% of players are from Argentina. Lots of spanish 'jajaja' at the table, and SUPER fishy. It seems like FJ pushed the wrong button somewhere and now they are as confused as we are about that network. |
|
|
|
Thanks for brining this to our attention. We absolutely always use a random number for every single game, and would never even consider cheating our loyal customers. After reviewing the post in question, I don't think this is an even accurate criticism anyhow. It would take 17+ hours to generate a single seed to influence a single round of play, but our casino allows you to play as many games per second as you would like. For example, in May there were more than 25,000,000 games played on our site. That works out to about ten games per second. It's either provably fair or not provably fair. The fact that you would never cheat your players doesn't make it provably fair. Neither does how many games are played per day or how many hours it would take to influence a single round of play. If a single round of play can be influenced, it's not provably fair. Regardless, our casino has much much better odds than anything in Vegas.
Cheers
I think this is probably not true also. There are still a fewfull pay dueces (100.76%) machines scattered around vegas plus usually a progressive thats tipped to +ev if you keep your eyes out. |
|
|
|
Hello,
Welcome on board!
It was mentioned few times that you will get paid for constructive posts in local. Just make sure that it's constructive.
Constructive...  Thank you to everyone for your interest and involvement in the Betcoin.ag BitcoinTalk Signature campaign. Your quality posting, interest and support means a lot to us and we will continue to work very hard for you.
Your standards sure are low when it comes to classifying something as "quality". Are is it some inside joke I'm missing and it reads "Thanks for your quality posts" *hint hint, wink wink*  There's tons of examples of Lorylore posting exclusively in the mindless signature grinder threads, filled with thousands of 2 sentence posts by members in paid campaigns. You already know the current owner of Lorylore purchased the account sometime last fall, and also owns Hero account "Hua_Hui" right? Refresh your memory HERE if you forgot. Isn't it funny how they respond to themselves as if they were different people? you are right, usually these 2 are easier to make money cause they requires skills instead of just pure luck. So if you are really good, you can really make a living out of it.
There has been people already living base on their prediction. The most popular sport prediction can earn like $10k and above per month just base on people buying his prediction. i dont understand why a lot of people tell you to gamble. gambling is playing a losing game. however, if you invest in a casino, you are having advantage.
i agree, if you gamble, you are most likely to loss all of them, and if you invest in gamble site, you may end up profiting which is very common. it is ok to gamble regularly, as long as it does not affect those people around you. Even our country has betting station and each bet is like minimum $50. with bitcoin, you can bet with as small as $0.10 so you can bet a ton of times.
however, the scary thing is that you may start off with small bet, you will get addicted and will bet bigger and bigger. 0.1btc may not look that big but that is actually 20usd. you will also end up betting more cause there is more option for you bet with diff casino. that is the power of bitcoin. and it is very hard to track too. as for my country, the government dont allow us to transfer our money to online casino. but with bitcoin, it is hard for them to stop us.
Same, the government really block a lot of online casino. We even have a new rules last year that it is illegal to bet on popular site so we have to withdraw all the money. (Notice how many non-contstructive posts Rossilina found:)  No need to thank me for helping you out. My next post will include proof that xuan87 edit: xinzark is actually a very active Account buyer and seller who loves to double dip giveaway threads. Who knows how many alts will be revealed  |
|
|
|
All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This is false. Do you understand? ok, remark here "All casino SoftSwiss games are Provably Fair" So let's say it's not 100% decentralized, that would be correct.
Great, we're making progress! I started editing your OP for you, there's still some work to do though: Welcome to Fun-casino, first decentralized Bitcoin casino.Decentralized casinos don't exist.
Casino software works on Blockchain technology, which guarantees its players placing bets, winning, and withdrawing their winnings instantly, staying anonymous within the system. All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
Casino offers high-quality games from world-famous game providers: Betsoft gaming, Endorphina, Ezugi, Pocket Dice, SoftSwiss. [/url]The quality and fairness of games are proven by iTech Labs certificate.
Once all Fair games rules observed, Fun-casino guarantees instant withdrawal to its players. If not, player always has a chance to play again following the rules to get their money back.
you are so kind spending your time on this, thank you but still if necessary that can be done by our team itself Hi, You haven't changed you OP yet. You should do that since it's advertising things about your site which are not true. Right? |
|
|
|
|
The fact we don't have a Bitcoin Poker Site with a weekly average of 300 or more active, real money players is a result of unprofessional, poorly managed sites who are rarely held accountable for their mistakes.
One reason, imo, is due to certain sites (Betcoin, FortuneJack) choosing to rely on paid campaigns and bribes instead of a quality product to build a good reputation and maintain the appearance of a transparent, public image. I hope eventually to convince enough players to take this practice for what it is; corruption.
In addition to providing a place for anyone to find all the basic facts, I hope this thread will help us find the best way to hold sites accountable, which will result in enough transparency and honesty to change the image the rest of the world has of "Bitcoin Poker"
|
|
|
|
This thread is a place to share information and ideas on how we can make a better future for Unregulated Online Poker. I will do my best to keep OP up to date with the most recent information so everyone can be aware of all their options. Let me know if anything is wrong, a stat or site needs to be added or anything else you think will make it better. 
- swcpoker.eu
Formerly known as sealswithclubs, tymicon, the original bitcoin poker site.
Unfortunately not too many exciting promos or changes worth mentioning, payouts are seem to be steady as usual though.
- bovada.lv
Known as Bodog until 2012 (DOJ seized domain, indicted CEO Calvin Ayres) the third largest site in the world has been accepting Bitcoin for just a couple months.
It's completely anonymous poker, no screen names - just numbers.
The payouts are getting mixed reviews, from a few hours to a few weeks. Support doesn't seem to know much about bitcoin, which is understandable (old dog:new tricks), I would be wary at this point before moving a big chunk of bankroll over there.
WPN/WTN General Info:
Compatible Software: (don't think anything is banned, although indicator probably should be)
Pokertracker4, HEM2, All the indicator software, TableTamer (not TableNinja), Sharkscope HUD
Weekly rake races for Tournaments and Cash games. (sit n crush, the beast)
Most tournaments are re-entry. Most re-entries are very long (2-4 hours). This is how they are able to offer large guarantees which in turn attracts more players.
50NL/plo and higher cash games are tough games full of regs milking the rake race. If you've played less than a million hands lifetime you are probably not beating them.
- 5dimes
- bookmaker.eu
Part of the Winning Poker Network
Fiat based sports books that have been around the longest. (Bookmaker was launched by BetCris when BetCris stopped taking action from US residents) Identity verification is only required for players who have made non-bitcoin deposits. Stick with Bitcoin, no dox needed.
They both share total liquidity with other WPN skins (All mtts, Jackpot SNGs, SNGs, Cash Games)
5dimes offers a smaller network in addition to WPN call "The Grand Poker Room" I'm not going to go into much detail here since it's so small.
Deposits and withdraws are processed by the same company, EPAY (I believe they also handle all customer service).
They both offer 27% rakeback OR a vip program. If you want the 27%, contact support. Otherwise the default is vip program (interested in which to choose? Check out THIS 2P2 THREAD )
Issues:
- Anytime you interact with CS, you'll be asked to give your account number and password in cleartext! It's really weird, but it's how they do things.
Solution:
Use a secure password for the poker client, you will never have to provide it. Keep your balance in the poker client between sessions unless you want to withdraw.
Deposits are instantly converted to USD and credited to your sports account. They can be transferred instantly back and forth from within the poker client. Your withdraw is converted back to BTC based on the price at time of request.
-Important emails regarding your account are often missed since they look like spam
- Americascardroom.com
- Blackchippoker.eu
Part of the Winning Poker Network
These sites offer the same rakeback/vip programs and shared liquidity but require proof of identity and residence. Occasionally they have unique promotions.
The guy in charge of ACR is also the WPN Tournament Director. He's easy to get in contact with directly if anyone needs in the WPN sub-forum on 2P2: LINK (his forum name is Winning_TD)
Issues:
-Bitcoin withdraws tend to take longer than 5dime or Bookmaker.
-If you don't want to provide your dox or can't prove you live in a state they allow, don't bother trying to play on ACR or BCP.
- BetcoinPoker.ag
Part of the Winning Tournament Network (Limited shared liquidity with WPN. Select MTTs and sngs only)
No Documents required for any reason.
Deposits and withdraws are only made with Bitcoin or Litecoin.
In addition to WPN MTTs/SNGs, they offer a smaller tournament schedule, sngs and cashgames played for Bitcoin. (same as seals, 1 btc = 1,000 chips)
Decent vip program for Betcoin only games as long as you sign up with Xiaoxiao <---AFFILIATE LINK ( he will pay you 'around' 40% rakeback on Betcoin only games, and some mystery amount on WPN tournaments )
Tablestarter promotion
Issues:
- Players are often not refunded when unregistering and not paid when winning a satellite or bounty. (or many other reasons) Normally this wouldn't be a huge deal except:
- No tournament history available for players or support! (Tracking software plus diligent record keeping is a must for any volume tournament player)
- If you signed up under any affiliate other than Xiaoxiao, support might be able to switch you (if your affiliate doesn't mind being poached) otherwise you will be faced with the ethical dilemma of creating a new account or losing 'around' 40% of your rake for life.
-It's possible Xiaoxiao will skim your rakeback. If so, it may or may not be worth it to argue with him over it.
-VIP rewards/rakeback payments from WPN Tournaments are a complete mystery to everyone (including support). Unless something has changed recently, if you play mid+ stakes mtts, you will be underpaid. Convincing them to pay you the difference may not be worth your time.
-Don't sit HU cash, rake is not capped.
-They put most of their available effort and funding into appearing transparent and honest (sig campaign, paid reviews, "we <3 Betcoin promos") rather than earning it the way a transparent and honest company would.
-All of THIS
Betonline.ag
nitrogensports.eu
cyberdeckpoker.com
fortunejack.com
Rules
- If you are paid to promote/advertise by any poker site, disclose this fact by saying something like "X site pays me to post" before discussing X site.
- No affiliate links
- No Begging for anything
- No riggie rants
Examples of shilly posts that will get deleted:
nothing will change the fact that the Betcoin.ag is the best BTC Casino I ever seen. I have to recommend this site cause i really love this site that is informative but i dont feel too complicated. I am someone who like things to be simple and yet this is the only site that i actually love it cause it is simple and yet it is informative. I also love that they accept many different digital currency.
Betcoin poker and CASINO is the best thing to happen to online gaming in a long long time.There vip levels and rakeback are bye far the best anywhere.If you like to play poker or casino betcoin.ag is the place to be.
|
|
|
|
hungerstyle, in one of the first e-mails that we sent you, as you can see in your screen capture, we asked you :
"In regards to the first bet # 128iBKnkKPcSPcwZEDMK7sSMJGodx3n47o, is it the first ever bet that you placed on our website ?"
Why did you delete your reply from the screen shot ?
Can you post here what you replied to us ?
I bet he'll tell you whatever you want if you agree to give him his money. Just post the emails if you think it proves something, are you really trying to act as if you respect his privacy after the "upload your passport to imgur" request? Why are you playing these games a month later? I don't get it. |
|
|
|
Scam. Nothing in life is sure, nothing. You sure about that? |
|
|
|
DirectBet - What is the gist of the agreement you want signed?
We said from the very beginning that we have no interest in keeping the coins. We are willing to return the coins, but at the same time we need to protect our business and prevent them from attempting to defraud us again. At this point we want to discuss with the person who sent out this bet transfer and who owns the payout address, but hungerstyle keeps saying that "he is not available". If you have no intentions of keeping them, is it a safe to assume we agree you are not entitled to them? TwitchySeal, I appreciate your comments and feedback but we can not discuss our security practices here, I hope you can understand.
I understand there are methods that should not be public. But in this instance it seems more like a convenient excuse to keep the bitcoin without giving a reasonable explanation, you can't put stuff like this on your home page and then keep someones money because they dont want to reveal their identity:  
Demanding the identity of someone is just another tactic to justify keeping the funds. You should of returned the funds immediately after hunger responded and said "i agree"  But instead of giving the money back, you stalled for a day or two, then asked for name address and phone number. Then a couple days later you added more terms: no making DirectBet look bad in the forums and he had to upload his passport to imgur!!??The very fact you suggested imgur is incredibly irresponsible. Don't you see how this looks on the outside? The funds should of been returned within 24 hours. If you had no desire to keep the coins, you wouldn't still have them a month later. It's possible that Hungerstyles is guilty of attempting to exploit DirectBet, but DirectBet is guilty of being exploitable. Making someone sign an agreement or upload images of a passport will not prevent that person (or anyone else)from doing it again anonymously. The only thing it will accomplish is provide an invalid excuse for not refunding the money. I assure you, if you end up keeping the funds you will never have the same reputation you did a last month.  |
|
|
|
if ryan wants to rig the game then he doesnt need to be online on the chat, he could always use another accounnt or even just watch the game through the database
Nope, he couldn't.
Your right, Ryan doesn't even need to use his own account to rig the game. He could just use an alt account.
If it weren't provably fair yeah. But it is, so nope, he couldn't. |
|
|
|
DirectBet - What is the gist of the agreement you want signed?
we need to protect our business and prevent them from attempting to defraud us again. A discussion with one person will not eliminate future double spend exploit attempts. Especially considering you market yourself as an "Anonymous, no questions asked sportsbook" So what if you get dox on him. Are you going to make them public the next time an anonymous user tries the same thing? How could you prove it was the same person? You can't. Requesting dox from an anonymous person is meaningless. They are just images, nothing more. The only way to protect yourself from this is to make it so that nobody can exploit you even if they tried. I can think of two possible solutions: 1) Require at least 1 confirmation before allowing a player to place a bet. 2) Require coins to be sent from an address that has not been previously used and will not be used until the bet is complete. (this may not solve the issue, I'm not sure - just an idea) As far as hungerstyle, you're being unreasonable and looking for any way to justify keeping the coin for yourself. There was no mention of dox when you said you would return the coin almost a month ago:  He wrote back, you didn't send. |
|
|
|
My name is Vladyslav. Nick name on pokerstrategy is Atij. Blog at pokerstrategy: https://ru.pokerstrategy.com/forum/thread.php?threadid=163046I'm a real person, poker player with 8 years’ experience and million hands played. I have won EPT, TCOOP. Specialize on HU game. 21 of April on the site FortuneJack.com DDOS attack has been made during which I have been waiting for the game, I was sitting without opponents alone at the table. During the attack I was thrown from all the tables, money from these has not been returned until this day. My every attempt to solve this problem ends up I was asked to wait. After several emails and posts on the forum, I decided that I would wait six weeks. Then I got another response: "Wait a certain amount of time." As for me, I regard this as an attempt to avoid paying me my money in the hope that I will just forget. Here is the text of the last letter sent to the support group, it was 2 days ago: Let me remind you the situation: money has gone from my account 1 month and 2 weeks ago, at the 21st
In the beginning you asked me to wait for a couple of days, after few days you asked for a week, then for a month, now 1 month and 2 weeks has passed.
Of course you can ask to wait for another year, and a year later for another 30 years, until I die. But I do not play these games.
Money disappeared from my account, and you feed me with promises. Come into my world.
I suggest you to give me back money. In case you do not do it within 48 hours, I lay out the story with all the history of correspondence on bitcointalk. If you do not answer, I also tell it like it is in your topic on the forum.
If it also does not lead to the result, the next step is "free advertising" in the arbitrations of pokerstrategy, gipsyteam, 2 + 2. I will lay out my vision of the situation with a detailed description of it as well as the history of all correspondences with you. Let the people judge.
Yes, I certainly do not want to waste your time even for anti-PR, but you will not let me any other options.
This letter will also be laid out to public scrutiny.
give me back my money 0,65 BTC answer: Dear user,
Your requirements were referred to higher authority.
Your question is considered at our administration, and we ensure that you receive a reply shortly.
Thank you. Chatting history: Me (22 April) sorry for my English. I am from Ukraine.
i manually making my bankroll management, that is why i know that at the beginning of the day ( 12 hours ago ) i had 2.4613 BTC at my account. then 2 times! all my tables was closed. i played during last 12 hours about 50-60 hands at 3-6 and 5-10 and ( i am not sure, but really hope ) did not lost more than 0.1-0.15 BTC.
i really wonna see at my account at the end of problem amount about 2.4613 BTC FortuneJack Support answer (22 April) 016-04-22 10:38 GMT+03:00 FortuneJack Support < support@fortunejack.com>: Dear User, We have transferred your case to technical department and are investigating. We will get back to you via email as soon as we have an answer. Thank you for your patience. Regards, Andreas, FortuneJack Team me (25 april) You asking me about details, how i can have sceenshot or know exactly how many money i had and what stakes exactly i played. to have this information i have 2 options: 1. use any tracking software ( i do not use it at Fortune Jack ) 2. make every hours or 30 min screenshots of my destop or what? What should i answer to support? i was disconnected from the tables and money was not given back to my cashier from closed: cash 3-6 and 5-10 HU cap and 6max cap tables! *copy of this massage will be posted on https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=774929.new#new and sent back to Support FortuneJack Support answer (25 April) Dear User,
In order to process your request, the technical department needs the following information:
Tournament name
Date and time played
Stake amount
Provide screenshot if possible me (30 April): Good afternoon.
It was formed unpleasant situation with you.
21 or 22nd on you has been made DDoS attack.
at this moment I bamhantil on HU and 6-max tables 3-6 and 5-10. (Bamhantil – I was sitting and waiting for someone to sit and play with me)
I was thrown from the tables, and the money that was on these tables was returned back partly.
For obvious reasons, the exact amount I do not know. But it should not be difficult to restore from hand histories and transactions. Feels like I played 50 to 100 hands from my account and as a result of these hands I lost from -0.1 to -0.2 BTC.
I want you to return back * 0.65 BTC.
To this letter, I attach a screen shot of the history of transactions, and video.
I am in correspondence with support group or eight days, as well as in the correspondence on the same subject in the English branch of the discussion on bitkointolks.
I feel sorry for both your and my time, but I have no choice. 0.65 BTC is a significant amount of money for me.
I do not make posts anywhere on the poker forums that, because I am not interested in further waste of my time on this issue. (Despite the fact that I am the author of the blog with 1,5kk views)
really hope that this letter will quickly find the response and lead to the solution of this problem.
* 0.65 +
My name is Vlad. Atij in the poker community. FortuneJack Support answer (30 April) Dear user,
We apologize for the delay. The fact that your case is also related with the third side - provider of the game. We are waiting for a response from them, and as soon as we get it, we will contact you.
Thank you for your patience. me June 6: Let me remind you the situation: money disappeared from my account 1 month and 2 weeks ago, on the 21st
In the beginning you asked me to wait for a couple of days, in a few days for a week, and then for a month, now 1 month and 2 weeks has passed.
Of course you can ask to wait for another year, and a year later for another 30 years, until I die. But I do not play these games.
Money disappeared from my account, and you feed me with promises. Come into my world.
I suggest you to give me back money. In case you do not do it within 48 hours, I lay out the story with all the history of correspondence on bitcointalk. If you do not answer, I also tell it like it is in your topic on the forum.
If it also does not lead to the result, the next step is "free advertising" in the arbitrations of pokerstrategy, gipsyteam, 2 + 2. I will lay out my vision of the situation with a detailed description of it as well as the history of all correspondences with you. Let the people judge.
Yes, I certainly do not want to waste your time even for anti-PR, but you will not let me any other options.
This letter will also be laid out to public scrutiny.
give me back my money 0,65 BTC " FortuneJack Support answer (June 6) answer: "Dear user,
Your requirements were referred to higher authority.
Your question is considered at our administration, and we ensure that you receive a reply shortly.
Thank you." it is important to realize that it is pointless for me to spend on the solution of the issue more time than its cost. And your time I do not want to waste either. keep in mind that if you play on FortuneJack you may find yourself in the same situation. Most of the poker players on this website from Argentina, if someone knows where you can notify them about the "non-commercial" risks while playing on this site, please write in the comments, or just let the Argentine community in this link. Be careful with FortuneJack. They just may take your money and ask to wait for a certain amount of time to solve this problem. If problem is not solved in 48 hours copy of that message I report on poker strategy, gipsyteam, 2+2. ps: i could made some mistakes in translation i am Ukrainian. i do not want to argue, but do not see other way to solve problem. I suggest you make a scam accusation in this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0Hopefully some trusted members will give them even worse trust and they will give you your money back. |
|
|
|
I notice when I was away, phex (who's always been a helpful member of the bustabit community and script author) has made some pretty strong accusations: http://phex.io/bustabitI suspect it originates from a misunderstanding on how the provably fair works, as it actually definitively rules out the type of attack that phex brings up (it would break the chain). Looks like after grinding a -ev game for 31,600 games he was up around 600,000 with some 6-1 martingalish system. He took this as solid proof that he was the first person to ever develop a betting system that was capable of overcoming the house edge. With his system, he would be making 60-70 btc a year from RHaver. Then he lost 47 in a row and his account went from almost BTC1 to 1 bit. (which he turned into 7 before 0) Can't blame himself, can't blame the house edge, gotta blame someone. In the poker world we call these guys riggies. They're everywhere. Debating them should be done strictly for entertainment purposes only: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/great-poker-rigged-debate-collected-threads-edition-255990/ |
|
|
|
I recently outted Lorylore, a member of their campaign, for having multiple Hero Status accounts used only to grind out signature campaigns. Nearly every post was 1 or 2 sentences in one of those threads obviously used to get post counts up, often several posts a minute. Proof of Multiple Hero status accounts: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15064092#msg15064092Betcoins response: All payments should be received and again we thank everyone for their support and participation. The demand has been overwhelming. We also always appreciate all feedback and bumps to our thread but will always our own independent investigation therefore there is no need to worry about personal attacks guys. Just keep up the great work and we will always take a few extra bumps to our thread!
Needless to say, lorylore is still a member. Speaking of "independent investigations" Still waiting for the result of their investigation into how scammers got player login info. They have been investigating for almost 6 months now! Here's the support ticket I have open on the issue:  |
|
|
|
|
Show Posts
