DirectBet is a very reputable site and has been trusted with way more than your 38+ BTC. Their site alone is probably worth more than your entire bitcoin asset. Also, it seems that the 30+ BTC bet has already been settled, although the 2 BTC one has not.
If you're intending to double spend a transaction though, that's entirely your fault and you should be persecuted instead for cheating.
And what if the double spend was unintentional. |
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Without a blockchain confirmation, your bet is not really "confirmed" with directbet.eu . What it does is validate the odds, amount (if and when it arrives), your winnings (if you win) and the txid.
If your bet wins, directbet.eu would grade only when confirmation arrives. No exceptions and no matter how long it takes. No blockchain confirmation(s), no payouts. Simples.
Correct me if I am wrong but my limited blockchain knowledge tells me that if there is a double spend only one of the two transactions could possibly confirm?
So your assertion, that directbet.eu confirming bets is akin to giving lines of credit to anonymous players is wrong.
If a player double spends (assuming payment never arrives @ directbet.eu) and their bet loses, good for them. But If their bet wins they lose out on their winnings. Simple as that.
-snip- You're right, it's not really a line of credit. It's something though - a risk DirectBet chooses to take in exchange for the action it attracts. It reminds me a situation I was in last summer: During a trip to vegas I had just sprinted to the window at sportsbook to get a bet in with about a minute left before the game was going to start. The lady quickly printed the ticket, and I took out my wallet and realized all my cash was in the safe in my room (staying in same casino). She offered to hold the ticket while i ran up to get the money. (I had placed bets with her over the past 2 or 3 days, she knew I had a room and 7stars card, and probably figured she would get a tip) I ran up, key didn't work. Had to go to front desk, get new key. New key didn't work, repeat. Took forever. By the time I got back to the sports book, the second inning had just ended and the score was 2-2. I gave her a nice tip but noticed she was acting weird. When I figured out what I had missed in the game I realized why. I had Boston moneyline, they were playing Tampa. It turns out Tampa hit two solo homeruns within the first 10 pitches of the game. Boston tied the game with 2 run homer during the bottom of the second ... right before I came running up to the window to collect my ticket I hadn't paid for yet. I went back later during the trip and got the death stare. I'm sure she was convinced I had freerolled her and would of left her holding the ticket if boston hadn't managed to tie the game when they did. I know the situations have their differences, but, just like DB, the teller made the decision to open herself up to getting free-rolled because she thought the risk was worth it for her in hopes of a tip. She didn't have to do that, they could of called to get the bet cancelled, she volunteered because she thought it was in her best interest. Even if she had proof I was going to freeroll her, it would be absurd for her to justify taking my cash when I finally returned and then just keeping my money AND the ticket...or somehow voiding my ticket after the game was over and refusing a refund - which is basically what happened to hungryman. Does any of that make any sense? All this points to skulduggery on directbet.eu's part There's a word I need to start using. Regardless of if directbet decides to reimburse the OP for his winnings, I think that directbet should not accept 0/unconfirmed bets that have less then xxBTC worth of fees attached.
I agree. If nothing is changed, this will happen again. |
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When you log out it does not unregister you from sit and goes,so people will hit you and get a free ride with your chips.
Some stupid player hit 4 different tables on me in a 5 minute period.
Think FJ should look into not allowing players to bleed funds in that way,its kid of scummy!
Unregister before you log out. No site auto-unregisters by default if you logoff. Some sites will give you a pop up warning to remind you. Pokerstars does. No, they don't.  |
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I don't think DirectBet should be neg trust bombed right now, he's addressed each issue and I don't think he has any malicious intent, he really believes the guy is guilty and he's probably (not definitely) right.
I think he should get away from the forums for a day or two and cool off though. Emotions seem to be running high - too high for any good to result. RHaver and TwitchySeal remarks were made while they did not have all the information and we were unable to contribute since the investigation was still in progress.
Look at the additional evidence that we posted above. When you send out a transaction with extremely low fees and a few hours later double spend it with extremely high fees, and you then repeat on the same pattern over and over again, that can not possibly be wallet "misconfiguration" or "user error". That's fraud.
The double-spend history attached to his wallet is still just circumstantial evidence. Proof that previously a double spend attempt happened involving the same address is not proof that the person who placed the bet is guilty. I really think you need to pay this guy and figure out a way to prevent this in the future. Accepting action based on an unconfirmed transaction = offering a line of credit. You're offering huge lines of credit to anonymous users. If you are going to call off bets after the fact, without direct evidence that supports your accusation [ the person who initiated the double spend attempt did so maliciously and is also the same person who placed the bet ] , not only are you going to tarnish your reputation, you're going to set a precedent for other books to consider and likely abuse.
hungerstyle agreed he will not do it again. We wanted to make a formal agreement and he provided us with his contact information for that.
We suspected the contact information that he provided was faked, so we asked him to prove it, but he refused. No good can come from asking anonymous person for dox. Dox from anonymous person is just as worthless as their word. There's no way for you to verify you have the info of the person who placed the bet, especially when were talking $15k+ worth of bitcoins. ( Everyone has a friend that will take a selfie with passport for $200 right? ) Nobody who is placing wagers that big is sending their real dox ever in this spot. You will have to assume no matter what dox you are sent, they are of an innocent third party, someone who should not be doxxed even if the double spends keep happening. Your request is petty and making it appear like you're finding excuses not to pay. The solution isn't to make the scammers promise to stop scamming, they won't. Find a way to make it impossible for their current plan to succeed, then try and find the next exploit before they do.
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All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This is false. Do you understand? ok, remark here "All casino SoftSwiss games are Provably Fair" So let's say it's not 100% decentralized, that would be correct.
Great, we're making progress! I started editing your OP for you, there's still some work to do though: Welcome to Fun-casino, first decentralized Bitcoin casino.Decentralized casinos don't exist.
Casino software works on Blockchain technology, which guarantees its players placing bets, winning, and withdrawing their winnings instantly, staying anonymous within the system. All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
Casino offers high-quality games from world-famous game providers: Betsoft gaming, Endorphina, Ezugi, Pocket Dice, SoftSwiss. [/url]The quality and fairness of games are proven by iTech Labs certificate.
Once all Fair games rules observed, Fun-casino guarantees instant withdrawal to its players. If not, player always has a chance to play again following the rules to get their money back.
you are so kind spending your time on this, thank you but still if necessary that can be done by our team itself  Hi, You haven't changed you OP yet. You should do that since it's advertising things about your site which are not true. Right? |
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When you log out it does not unregister you from sit and goes,so people will hit you and get a free ride with your chips.
Some stupid player hit 4 different tables on me in a 5 minute period.
Think FJ should look into not allowing players to bleed funds in that way,its kid of scummy!
Unregister before you log out. No site auto-unregisters by default if you logoff. Some sites will give you a pop up warning to remind you. |
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When something like this happens, Betcoin should have all of their IT guys on it immediately. Instead, they don't realize anything is wrong because their staff and management is a bunch of fucking monkeys.
They had to fire IT guys so they can afford to pay signature campaign. |
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Long time without updating the BBJ. It has ballooned to over 26 btc!
The problem with the current BBJ is that it could take another 30 years before quad jacks loses to a better hand. I'd like to see a modification in the requirements to quad 8s so its easier to hit. Also a 10% house fee is a bit high imo. I agree to a certain degree. But than again it could also take 5 minutes for the BBJ to hit, evidenced by this hand: https://www.betcoin.ag/actl0nnnn-loses-king-quads-royal-flush-bad-beat-poker-handHowever this didn't qualify because there wasn't 4 or more players in the hand. Would bring in a lot more traffic if they just did a low req. bbj. Something like aces full of queens loses to better. That's what they had at my local casino and it was hit once or twice a month, was an awesome promotion. Yeah the poker room was crowded.... Again I agree to a certain degree. The problem with having a smaller BBJ is that it wouldn't bring as much excitement or reward. For example-- someone loses 1 BTC with quads and only wins 500 mbtc from the BBJ. That's not much of a BBJ. Qualifier drops every week till it hits is what you guys are looking for. They are not competent enough to pull something like that off though. 14btc of the jackpot is stolen funds and they already tried to award it to someone who didn't qualify. When it comes to online poker, they really have no idea wtf is going on. |
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QuickSellers self serving snipps sure seem suspicious... Before:I told him about the exploit and asked what it was worth.
He suggested 0.2 BTC, I asked for 1 BTC. He agreed.
That's pretty much the whole story.
Except then he changed his mind about the payment because I gave his site a low trust rating (because I don't have a reason to trust it) and a low community rating (because it didn't even have on-site chat), and because of some wall-of-text conspiracy theory about Arrogant that I didn't really bother to read.
I don't see where blackmail comes in to it. There was something like "if you apologise we will reconsider paying you" but fuck that. I have nothing to apologise for.
After:I told him about the exploit and asked what it was worth.
He suggested 0.2 BTC, I asked for 1 BTC. He agreed.
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I don't see where blackmail comes in to it.
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Edit: holy shit, I thought this was Quicksellers "Dooglus supports ponzi" thread and "Episode II" was titled "The truth about Dooglus and his pawn Arrogant. " Did someone bump and delete? |
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Hi all.
Following up the aforesaid, we'd like to declare that BTC always complies with its payment policy, paying wins to the players with a remark that some of the players, who use fraudulent techniques to rip off the casino, are not paid of course.
Not to mention: paid negative reviews by competitors, blackmailing by gamers (to get some freebies otherwise threatening to write negative reviews).
Please take all these facts into consideration when weighing all pros and cons.
There are plenty of users which play with us all the time, getting wins and not boasting of it on the forum. If we didn`t have players, who are happy to get unique bonuses, personal offers which are beneficial for them and who get their winnings, we suppose this question would be out of time. We are happy to review any payment issues publicly, here in this same thread. We are always around to solve any arising issue.
Everything seemed to be working fine until calumniatory information was deliberately spread here and there.
What is the sense of that "sniff-out"? BTC Casino always strives for providing the best experience to its players. Constantly improving the functionality of the site and the payment process.
Anyone can check it out, trying it by himself and not just believe all the stuff written on forums.
Best Regards
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You defend slow paying players and using hacked software by crying about how you pay users to not post bad things about you? Are you trying to make yourself look even worse? |
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To be fair, its not easy to figure out what's really going on with all the trust/accusations/shills etc. No need to rub it in the guys face, you'll only discourage the next victims from coming forward...which will only help scam sites scam even more. |
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I think you're right about Peeps. I thought it was odd the way he was quick to jump all over you when other issues i brought up with him in the past he always responded so passively (ahem...betcoin.ag...) He deleted this post of mine: I think all that really matters is if he (the person maintaining this thread) is actively requesting payment from Books - let us know peeps, it's a fair question.
Completely unrelated topic:
@DB, are you prove this guy you didn't pay ~47 BTC is guilty or not?
So I won't be contributing to his thread any more. You should prob just forget about him too. As far as the double spend issue, peeps ended up on the same side as me out of convenience it seems. But don't think just because he didn't have the purest intent means I have any bias. I am just giving you my honest opinion. Hungerstyles defense of using a third party to transact the coins is totally plausible and he's been saying it since the beginning. He only needs to prove there is a possibility he might be innocent, which basically makes your job impossible. I know it sucks for you, and I know you have one of the better reps, but I don't think anyone in your position, considering weeks of emotional + the financial investment, could look at the situation objectively. RHaver has to be one of the most rational thinkers around and he's already disputed most of the argument you just made in this post. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=717790.msg15021563#msg15021563 If you don't know much about him, go read some of his past posts, then read the one he made in response to you. Idea: Find some very trusted members willing to act as independant mediators to rule on disputes in the future, put that in your terms, playing judge and plaintiff like you are now will rarely end well. |
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On the campaign spreadsheets Lorylore has betcoin username listed as "namelessname" and has had two different addresses listed.
lorylore namelessname 14ohJQacYpBKxLfgrZHBST8u95ahx2ocV6
1PUXDiGXQygTs32iB9YwfnUadQhpuWGnq9
The highlighted address is mine (you can check my profile and pretty much any post where I have posted a BTC address), I think it is not relevant to your investigation yet I have no idea what it is doing there (did you write it by accident?). There is no way that address belongs to lorylore/namelessname/whomever (it is a Coinbase address, but I have been using it for more than a year). Finally, I have never had any alt here (I considered creating an account to participate in the Games & Rounds giveaways but from what I read that account would probably not last much -because its posting would be considered pure and plain crap-). Yeah you're right, sorry. 1PUXD is definitely not relevant at all and i'm not sure how it got there but not intentional. Edited it out. Also, it's possible that "n691309" was connected to ladylore before current ladylore bought the account. (If so, it would of been the guy who did the bitcoinblackfriday scam operating both n69 and lorylore I think) I'm gonna leave it there for now though. I'm confident about the hui one though. |
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Usually, when posts like these surface, 99% of the time the OP's account has been compromised by various means: hacked, phished, remote controlled, whatever. It's always the same story - I've been there. I learned the HARD way how important is personal security when it comes down to updating/patching your system on a regular basis, running sensible AV software, securing your network communications, not clicking outright dumb/fishy links, etc. There are so many threats out there that it if you do not take steps in protecting yourself - you are going to get burned, sooner or later.
So what exactly happened? Did you contact support? Used the same password somewhere else? Your e-mail login/pass leaked? Did you have 2FA enabled on your account?
Personally, I have been dealing with paxful and LBC for a little less than a year and I'm yet to witness funds to have disappeared out of nowhere or my accounts being compromised out of the blue - but I take good care of my personal data, I always set maximum security options on my profile. The communities on these sites are large enough to make the owners a decent buck, so I don't really buy the fact that the staff running it would specifically target random users and disburse $ to their liking, makes it highly unlikely. Paxful has been running for like, what, more than a year? They would've already disapperead from the horizon, if they scammed their own users. Never had any issues with them, all good.
As mentioned, 99% of the times in my experience it's user neglectance for personal security.
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All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ This is false. Do you understand? ok, remark here "All casino SoftSwiss games are Provably Fair" So let's say it's not 100% decentralized, that would be correct.
Great, we're making progress! I started editing your OP for you, there's still some work to do though: Welcome to Fun-casino, first decentralized Bitcoin casino.Decentralized casinos don't exist.
Casino software works on Blockchain technology, which guarantees its players placing bets, winning, and withdrawing their winnings instantly, staying anonymous within the system. All Fun-casino games are based on "Provably Fair" technology, which guarantees fairness of winning/loss.
Casino offers high-quality games from world-famous game providers: Betsoft gaming, Endorphina, Ezugi, Pocket Dice, SoftSwiss. [/url]The quality and fairness of games are proven by iTech Labs certificate.
Once all Fair games rules observed, Fun-casino guarantees instant withdrawal to its players. If not, player always has a chance to play again following the rules to get their money back.
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I believe in arbitrage betting, actually its pretty popular here in Italy, the problem here is anyone knows about it and we cannot play it on local FIAT sportsbook, anyway another thing is this for sure can be done, but I am also sure this needs at least 5-10 persons to find the correct games daily and try to find the right games. Nearby countries like Greece now that they are in economic crisis, I have friends there who told me they are trying arbitrage betting, and they even try with AH to find a bit of better odds. Still very very difficult to do it alone.
But big congrats to the OP for such a nice thread.
Thanks mate. I have developed automated software to detect arbitrage bets in bitcoin sportsbooks automatically. Here is another one for you all  ARB with profit : 5.05%! Myanmar vs Singapore at 03 June 2016 Bet 18.701% of your capital at 1(5.5) here : https://sports.mbitcasino.com/sports/301/events/644482Bet 56.514% of your capital at Singapore -0.5(1.89) here : https://www.cloudbet.com/en/sports/competition/684:2828Bet 24.785% of your capital at X(4.15) here : https://sports.mbitcasino.com/sports/301/events/644482I already bet my capital in this one. But most of my BTC is "locked" in another arb till tomorrow, so my bet won't drive changes in odds probably. Have fun Careful with cloudbet, I'm seeing a lot of payout complaints.
Competition: NHL Game: San Jose Sharks @ Pittsburgh Penguins Time: May 31st 12:05 AM UTC Bet type: Points Spread Profit: 4.73% Bets: Pittsburgh Penguins -0.5 @ 2.608 at Fairlay for 40.16% of total bets San Jose Sharks +0.5 @ 1.75 at Betcoin for 59.84% of total bets Get them before its too late  AFAIK, odds change over time, right? Are you locked into the odds that are there when you place your wager, or do you see them fluctuate as well? Except for paramutual wagering (Horse racing for example), you lock up the price when you place wager. |
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Sig campaign kept them in business as long as they were.
So a site acts super shady and employs a sig campaign to monitize people to attack those who are bringing the shady dealings to light. Gee, that sounds familiar... Speaking of that. Just exposed one of their shills with 3 hero counts (at least) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1236667.msg15064092#msg15064092You missed the most crucial thing about this. Betcoin.ag is not the same site as betcoin.tm, betcoin.tm has a very bad reputation around here and has been known to scam or atleast confisticated , denied to pay winning and decided solely on not to pay winnings from the bonus that they offered themselves No, I understand they are completely separate sites. It's just ironic they both have the same name (almost) and both use(d) signature campaigns to cover up all the scummy things they do. FortuneJack is actually worse than both Betcoins when it comes to signature campaign scumminess. If only they called themselves Betcoin.eu or something. This is how the rest of the world looks at paying users to post: (tokeweed had just changed his avatar to betcoin and posted something about them, I responded with link to him applying to campaign on this forum) http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/28/internet-poker/betcoin-poker-1458531/index26.html |
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