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61  Economy / Speculation / Re: Minimum amount of bit coin needed on: November 27, 2013, 06:27:26 PM
21 coins and you have as a minimum a millionth of the entire bitcoin cap.

Think worldwide and that's BTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTCBTC rich
62  Economy / Speculation / Re: What's your exit strategy? Will you sell as the price goes down from here? on: November 27, 2013, 06:25:57 PM
Keep selling fiat for bitcoin before the fiat bubble bursts.
BTCBTCBTC Tongue Tongue
63  Economy / Speculation / Re: $ 1.000 on: November 27, 2013, 06:07:23 PM
Are you talking about $1.000 / mBIT?

$1.0000 = $1

I've seen this error a few times around here.
A . is a decimal point.
A , can be used to make big numbers easier.

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if we consider the anglo-saxon numerical codification, you are right. I come from a latin European country, and our standard codification for numbers is the comma (,) for decimals and the point (.) for thousands, millions, etc. so that's why I'm actually wrong in an international environment.
Noted. Probably part of the reason Southern Europe is so shit at managing their finances if they don't know where the decimal point should go!


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By the way I'm pretty sure that, according to the International System and in the accademical world, we should use the point for decimals, and don't use anything for thousands, millions etc., so to be completely right we should write 1000 if we mean a thousand  Grin
Agreed fully. I don't usually use commas myself. We are in the truly globalised information and monetary world now and commas in numbers are an unnecessary affectation!

well, if we want to be precise, we should note that the financial crysis originated from two anglo-saxon countries, from USA globally and from Germany's unfair economical procedures in the european area, but I see your statement in a provocatory/joke way and I'm smiling behind the keyboard  Cheesy note that I don't want to start any kind of war, mine also was a provocation, I have relatives and I have lived in the USA, and now I live in Germany and I totally love both places and the people of both countries, southern countries mainly have to learn from them  Wink

By the way, I agree that commas are usually unnecessary, but when the numbers start to get bigger than a billion, they might be useful, expecially when the digits aren't just zeroes  Smiley
Good natured bitcoin banter noted!
There are only two nationalities now - Bitcoiners and Fiatsters fellow citizen!
64  Economy / Speculation / Re: $ 1.000 on: November 27, 2013, 05:29:45 PM
Are you talking about $1.000 / mBIT?

$1.0000 = $1

I've seen this error a few times around here.
A . is a decimal point.
A , can be used to make big numbers easier.

Quote
if we consider the anglo-saxon numerical codification, you are right. I come from a latin European country, and our standard codification for numbers is the comma (,) for decimals and the point (.) for thousands, millions, etc. so that's why I'm actually wrong in an international environment.
Noted. Probably part of the reason Southern Europe is so shit at managing their finances if they don't know where the decimal point should go!


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By the way I'm pretty sure that, according to the International System and in the accademical world, we should use the point for decimals, and don't use anything for thousands, millions etc., so to be completely right we should write 1000 if we mean a thousand  Grin
Agreed fully. I don't usually use commas myself. We are in the truly globalised information and monetary world now and commas in numbers are an unnecessary affectation!
65  Economy / Speculation / Re: $ 1.000 on: November 27, 2013, 05:10:30 PM
Are you talking about $1.000 / mBIT?

$1.0000 = $1

I've seen this error a few times around here.
A . is a decimal point.
A , can be used to make big numbers easier.
66  Economy / Speculation / Re: What are the chances for the price to reach 5000$ by the end of 2014? on: November 27, 2013, 04:21:03 PM
10K by mid 2015
67  Economy / Speculation / Re: The boat is long gone on: November 27, 2013, 03:57:41 PM
To those who cry the boat has gone, consider the decisions the earlier buyers of bitcoin have to make.
If someone bought 10 coins for $1 and now has $10,000 usd worth of coins, and you have $10,000 usd of fiat then, not including friction in money transfers, both parties have equal decisions to make re converting to bitcoin.

The old hand with $10k of coins is making a decision not to convert back to $$ at that level if they hold. That confirms their ongoing bullishness/faith/strong hand. If someone who 'missed the boat' has $10k they could use to buy bitcoins at this level they cannot whinge about the person with 10btc who stays in bitcoin.

Both parties have the opportunity to profit from the future purchasing power of bitcoin, or they could cash out or stay in dirty fiat money.

So the jealousy is for the run up to $1k/coins but if the fiat holder misses out of future gains they have no one but themselves to blame.

It will be a challenge for old hands (pre april 2013 in this parabolic market) to stay strong, but if they do and profit they have made the same risks as those with fiat to invest at this point in time onwards.

Strong hands will be tested in the next few months and years...
 stay cool bitcoiners  CoolBTCCool
68  Economy / Speculation / Re: Tired of 1000$ on: November 27, 2013, 03:20:05 PM
Nice thread well played OP!

 Grin Grin Grin Grin
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69  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does anyone think the price is unsustainable? Only bears please and seriousness. on: November 26, 2013, 10:48:16 AM
HOLY SHIT FUCKING PANIC SELL

I couldn't sell my fucking bitcoins fast enough. I took a bit of a fucking loss.

Stupid fucking mt. gox does not have a stop loss, where I would have sold my coins before the $5.00 wall was broke.

That was intense selling those coins.

Well I gambled. I had my chance to sell above $5.2 all day today. And had my chance to sell at $5.1 just before the drop and my warning.

Now I have a fucking bit coin loss.

I knew better than to hold them, but held them like an idiot. Just look at my last posts when I said multiple times I was selling,

I was smart to sell those coins. It was not long before bitcoin was at 2.01. I was personally waiting for it to drop to the $1.00 range to buy in again and I was planning on buying in big. Oh well, missed my buy in point but was close enough.

Bitcoins now should be worth more than they were in early 2012 when I wrote that. It has been out longer and the technology tested better. However, the $800 price for a bitcoin is still crazy in my book and unsustainable.
I agree, bitcoin at $800 / usd is unsustainable.

Unsustainably low. Wait till some of the 80 billion usd / month new money gets involved. These coins will be seen as cheap cheap yum yum!
BTCBTCBTCBTC Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
Good luck with the bear love fest!
70  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do Partial Purchases still push up price? on: November 26, 2013, 09:26:27 AM
I would assume they do, but Im retarded when it comes to many things.

I know if you buy a whole bitcoin for $840 right now, you verify that next "notch" in upward price movement by "accepting" someone's price.

Does the act of buying 0.5 BTC have the same effect on pushing up the price?  Or only 50% of the effect?

Thanks.

You have insight into where you lack knowledge, and are therefore ahead of 97% of most populations.
71  Economy / Speculation / Re: $1000 Price on: November 26, 2013, 09:24:52 AM
I am confident the price will go up, then down, then up, then down, then down again, then up a bit, then up lots...

When this occurs I will try not to say 'I told you so'.

I am wise.
 Grin
72  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An Electronic Currency That Could Save The Economy - And It's Not Bitcoin on: November 25, 2013, 10:27:23 PM
One more thing, why do all the banksters steal our wealth, time, industry and pensions at the same time as telling us it's the 'free market'. ...

Beacause they can?
The ignorance level here is over 9000 Angry

I didn't actually want your opinion.
73  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An Electronic Currency That Could Save The Economy - And It's Not Bitcoin on: November 25, 2013, 06:34:21 PM
One more thing, why do all the banksters steal our wealth, time, industry and pensions at the same time as telling us it's the 'free market'. Free market my arse.
I change my mind about this crappy coin idea - I think USD should be changed to 'shit-crap-US-e-coin-schmoin' with no exchange restrictions on bitcoin.

Western govts should accept taxes in their local 'inflation-demurage-shit-coin' .

See what the frikkin 'free market' decides it likes best then.

 Angry Angry Angry Angry


'Think happy thoughts' - 'BTCBTCBTCBTCBTC'  Smiley Smiley Smiley
74  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An Electronic Currency That Could Save The Economy - And It's Not Bitcoin on: November 25, 2013, 06:10:59 PM

Oh and this guy's currency idea is the biggest crock of shit I've heard for some time.

I don't know why banksters and Keynsians feel that economic activity and consumption are the main goals.

The goal of money should be to enable fruitfull economic activity and individual choices re work and consumption, not to get all us serfs running on the hamster wheel faster and faster to keep the banksters happy on their yachts snorting coke whilst using polluting the world even more.

</rant>
75  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: An Electronic Currency That Could Save The Economy - And It's Not Bitcoin on: November 25, 2013, 06:02:48 PM
I really hope they take it seriously and implement demurrage in the USD.  That would send people to BTC in DROVES.
Agreed. This would secure Bitcoin as a world standard and reduce USD to something even Robert Mugabe wouldn't touch.
76  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Depressed that I was not an early adopter on: November 25, 2013, 05:50:09 PM
New big thing is every 15-20 years or so. Get ready.

Oh and it's not tool late to get into bitcoin.
I'll sell you a few at $25,000 USD / coin in a few years as I'm a week hand.
77  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin on UK TV BBC Newsnight on: November 24, 2013, 11:03:42 PM
Great job Max - he really did well getting his point across on newsnight.

Looks like I won't be able to use world first I any more for transfers to exchanges.  Cry
78  Economy / Speculation / Re: please tell me i've done good? on: November 24, 2013, 11:31:57 AM
You will, at the bare minimum, be in the top 2million holders of bitcoin.

Think of this on a global scale.

Obviously with larger holdings, lost coins, unmined coins you are actually probably in the top 500,000
79  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why the Winklevoss ETF will send Bitcoin to the moon. on: November 24, 2013, 11:27:24 AM
There may be tax / pension incentives to invest via ETFs.

If one's pension provider allows investment in this is it could be tax deductible as a pension contribution or via tax free investment vehicles.

Could be worth anything from 10-40% in many 'developed' countries.

This might offset the higher risk (by not owning the keys, and risk of govt intervention) for some investors.
80  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin isn't worth it for consumers. And that will stop adoption. on: November 24, 2013, 09:46:56 AM


and also, on the economics side... if you know about bitcoin and you live in Argentina or Zimbabwe, are you going to stand by while you watch all your money lose value? destroying your way of life, not just of yourself but your whole country? This is a voluntary action you need to take, the government doesn't have to be involved to save your money. Some countries have gone directly to the Euro or the USD. on a world wide scale BTC will be accepted by those who fear losing their way of life the most because of inflation, all these small currencies across the planet losing value, how much are they all worth together in dollars?

If a proper infrastructure is created, Safe transactions, good merchant clients, Trust worthiness ratings for merchant addresses, merchant verification signatures, instant verifications... why would we need banks, when everything that a bank provides can be safely implemented from within your own home?

How much is the Bank infrastructure costing the economy? 10 billion world wide? 100 billion? 4 trillion dollars a year!!  that is massive... just imagine the savings. everything you buy could be half price, more movement for the economy, the speed of money will be 1000's of times faster thanks to removing this banking bottleneck to the economy.

and i'm not even getting into the possibilities of the blockchain, ownership verified products, legal document time stamps, open sourced corporations, Decentralized governments, etc.  All we have to do is just get all the features that people want into the software... It's open source, the best fit for your needs is what you will use.

It won't be the first world that sees the true possibilites of cryptocurrencies it will be the poor countries that no one wants to do business with, provide credit or money services that will start to piece the economic infrastructure together, they will finally be able to be part of the world economy and purchase goods from around the world from the safety of their own homes.


Agree with all of the above.
Those in 1st world should understand re store of value vs coming hyperinflation.
Those in developing countries have so many more reasons to develop businesses and transactions with bitcoin to offer real economic value to the world.
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