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61  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 08:47:05 PM
I noticed some of you are still sending multiple 0.25 to second address. Please be informed you can now combine that up to 10 btc and send to 1Fhoq69gYN5a61Yhv3Rc3ufCkDiryqybVK. This way you can save in transaction fees.
62  Economy / Long-term offers / Re: ♔ RUSTYRYAN's 3.0% Weekly Term Deposits ♔ on: September 02, 2012, 11:13:58 AM
Hi Ryan,

Can we have some kind of custom deal. I'm planning to automate majority of operations. I invest by sending you coins to a custom address only for me and you sending me back to a custom address also. Can it be some kind of a set protocol where we talk once and everything we agreed upon will be observed. I can give you investments from other people I just take a very small cut. Once it runs, I don't want to bother with it anymore. You just wait in a certain address from me and I wait payments from you from a certain address. Everything can be customized the way we agreed upon. Then once set, everything will be kind of automatic.

I hope you consider my offer.
63  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 09:50:43 AM
I'll restart it to 30. Wait.

Done. It's set to 30 now and it will be increased +1 per day until 144. If you have pending bets, it should be processed shortly. Also please read the original post. There is a new address where you can send any amount from 0.25 to 10 bitcoins with the same return rates. Let me know if you have problems.

I am a happy bunny now. Also, don't worry about the accusations, your getting off lightly, see dank banks thread, over 20 pages of trolling LOL

If you have pending payments, just wait a while. It's still catching up from 144 ago to 30 confirmations ago at the rate of about 3 per minute.
64  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 09:16:52 AM
I'll restart it to 30. Wait.

Done. It's set to 30 now and it will be increased +1 per day until 144. If you have pending bets, it should be processed shortly. Also please read the original post. There is a new address where you can send any amount from 0.25 to 10 bitcoins with the same return rates. Let me know if you have problems.
65  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 09:09:03 AM
I'll restart it to 30. Wait.
66  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 08:58:18 AM
Dude, 3 confirmations, then 6, then 7, then WTF 144!! dude seriously?

Honestly, I didn't want to. My original target was to reach 144 in december. But if you followed the thread, even the technical lead of bitcoin accused me of things. Then I deployed another instant lottery, then another one accused me of things again. But if enough people are interested, we can restart down to, say, 6 confirmations and increase it to +1 confirmation per day. I would love that. Let's see who will be interested. I don't care anymore what they accuse me of. Esp now HungerCoin Lottery is already live.
67  Economy / Gambling / Re: HungerCoins Lottery. Turn 0.01 into 500 bitcoins. on: September 02, 2012, 08:20:11 AM
Please stop creating DDoS attacks on the Bitcoin network.

How bad is it?
68  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 06:45:24 AM
BitCoin Lottery is now live!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=105396.0
You can turn your 0.01 bitcoins into 500.
69  Economy / Gambling / HungerCoins Lottery. Turn 0.01 into 500 bitcoins. on: September 02, 2012, 06:33:18 AM
HungerCoins Lottery: Turn 0.01 to 500

How does it work?

Just send 0.01 bitcoins to this address: 1KctshVz5GXke3PoXZr9dge1M8LhoNarP9. Think of your transaction hash as your ticket. When this transaction is included in a block, think of the block hash as the raffle outcome. There are 5 possible outcomes:

Case 1: If the last 5 digits of the block hash is equal to the last 5 digits of the transaction hash we will send you 500 bitcoins.

Case 2: If the last 4 digits of the block hash is equal to the last 4 digits of the transaction hash we will send you 50 bitcoins.

Case 3: If the last 3 digits of the block hash is equal to the last 3 digits of the transaction hash we will send you 5 bitcoins.

Case 4: If the last 2 digits of the block hash is equal to the last 2 digits of the transaction hash we will send you 0.5 bitcoins.

Case 5: If the last digit of the block hash is equal to the last digit of the transaction hash we will send you 0.05 bitcoins.

Invalid Transactions

If you send an amount not equal to 0.01, it will be treated it as a donation.
Only one transaction hash per ticket. (One send per transaction only)

When will the winnings be sent?
As soon as the transaction is recorded in a block, payments will be sent immediately. Blockexplorer.com is the official datasource.

Where will the winnings be sent?
The first input address in the transaction information will be used as the return address.

******If you don't want to lose, you can bet here. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=104630.0
Think of this as our IPO to later provide winnings up to 5,000 or 50,000 bitcoins.
70  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 03:14:46 AM
So how do they tell?

Anonymous Jr. member with no prior transaction history, speaking of an unmentioned "we," proclaims breakthrough research in genetic algorithms, neural networks, and artificial intelligence; s/he offers a net 3.15% weekly.

VS

1 month old Jr. member who has donated $100 to bitcointalk.org borrows at 3% interest to finance short term investments, mining, and private lending; he has an A- credit rating from PatrickHarnett.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=96163.0

You decide Roll Eyes

Did I mention breakthrough? The technology has long been there. It's just that I automated some things. And that other borrower you are promoting here also started as an unknown. And what happened to "don't put all your eggs in one basket"? I provide a convenient alternative. It's up to them to decide. I don't hijack others' threads. I stay here. I'm even in the gambling forum, they are in lending. Let's see who will still be here in 5 years.
71  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 02, 2012, 01:44:50 AM
New announcement (This seemed not to be noticed in the original post so it's reposted here)

A new address is now available which will accept bets from 0.25 to 10 bitcoins: 1Fhoq69gYN5a61Yhv3Rc3ufCkDiryqybVK
The same ROI as above. You still can not lose. You can earn 0.2%, 2%, 20%, 200%, 2,000% for each bet between 0.25 to 10 bitcoins. The only catch is we will send your winnings after 144 confirmations or about 24 hours. This will hopefully addresss the "bitcoin attack issue" raised by some members of the community.

Blockexplorer.com raw data will still be our official data source.

Also, a famous figure of the bitcoin world thinks this is a ponzi. If you also think so, don't send us any coins.

Next week, we will be accepting loan requests from the community. A separate announcement will be made for it.

Some explanations and analyses

Everytime some coins is sent on the above address, we will lose on average about 0.45% value after about 24 hours. In effect, we are like borrowing from the bettors and repaying it in 24 hours for a little interest. However, we have 24 hours to use that money to invest or to lend for more interest and make some profit. If we keep on doing that, we can sustain everything. The lending portion is not the hard part. There are so many people willing to borrow bitcoins for much higher interest. The hard part is finding people who are trustworthy enough. This will be mostly manual and tedious. And if we create some kind of system, we don't have to offer just 24 hour terms. We can make it weekly or more as long as we have enough buffers. Aside from that, we have made some analyses using monte carlo simulation and neural networks and genetic algorithms across the whole blockchain and assigned the popular addresses and links. And studying market data and finding opportunities. It can be proven, that there are many opportunities in the bitcoin world that exists everyday that would mean we can make more than the interest we pay to the bettors. This one can be automated. Using artificial intelligence, our application can send us proper investment signals after detecting right opportunities after consuming various data from various sources. The automating portion is not quite done yet but it will be ready soon. It looks promising.

What we are offering is some kind of a game where the bettors can't lose. And just like a lottery, you get your winnings the next day (not instantly). If we gain popularity, we will have enough buffers and leverage it to profit to those opportunities constantly appearing and disappearing in the bitcoin world.
72  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 04:03:31 PM
I hope you are not just zeroing in on me. I am even in the gambling subforum.
73  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 03:59:56 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. All those people in the lending subforum who borrow and lend for profit must all be ponzi schemes too if we follow that logic. And we can also include everyone with credit cards too. Hmmmm, how then do we address it?
You address it by explaining where the bitcoins come from for the 'guaranteed' payouts.

Credit cards make money by charging merchants a fee, charging interest on late payments, etc. And they mitigate their risk by running credit reports on borrowers.

Legitimate lenders do something similar.

So, I'll ask again: what is your business model?  How will you make the money to payback the people who are sending you X bitcoins and expecting to get X+Y back in a day?


As I said, it's lending and borrowing. We will lend at more interest than we borrow. And it will not be just daily. It can be weekly or more. Banks work like that, right? Don't you believe that people in lending subforum do that? I'm just automating the borrowing part and put some kind of attraction to it. What's wrong with that?
74  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 03:31:21 PM
Thanks for your reply. For HC Invest, I plan to put different addresses for 0.25, 0.5, 1, and 5 bitcoins and the payout will be every 144 confirmations. I hope that will be fair with you. Do you agree?

Why not allow any amount between stated allowable min and max values, all to the same address?  If the value is not acceptable, you treat it how you currently treat any non-0.25 value.  I don't think you need to use different addresses or limit your users to certain round numbers.  If you're willing to accept 'bets' of 5 BTC, why not also accept bets of 4.932345 BTC?  That way people don't have to send multiple transactions.

You could even offer to split bets that exceed the maximum up into multiple bets of the maximum, and find some way to generate a different hash for each such bet.  Perhaps by re-hashing the txid after appending the bet number to it.  So instead of comparing the last digits of txid with block hash, you compare the last digits of sha256(txid + "0") for the first such bet, sha256(txid + "1") for the 2nd, etc.  Then I can "invest" an arbitrary amount without spamming the blockchain.

Thanks doodlus Smiley
You really are smart. What do you think of the changes? I hope they will accept the 144 confirmations.
75  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 03:16:32 PM
A new announcement has been made in the bottom portion of the original post.
We now accept 0.25 to 10 bitcoins in this address: 1Fhoq69gYN5a61Yhv3Rc3ufCkDiryqybVK
Please read the original post.
Thanks.

Btw, the original address will still work unchanged.
76  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 02:45:17 PM
To whom are you lending the bitcoins you receive?
To those willing to borrow it. A lot of them in lending subforum.

How can Hunger Coin guarantee payback if you are lending the coins to people who may not pay YOU back?

I'm sorry, but "Hunger Invest" and "Hunger Lending" still sound like Ponzi schemes to me.


I'm sorry to hear that. All those people in the lending subforum who borrow and lend for profit must all be ponzi schemes too if we follow that logic. And we can also include everyone with credit cards too. Hmmmm, how then do we address it?
77  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 09:24:15 AM
Or you can altogether stop sending and wait for just our final product that will hopefully not be considered a bitcoin attack. Although the 144 confirmation increase will probably help a lot already easing the network since you can't reuse the same coin within 24 hours. I will just increase it to that level simply because I don't want to manually send it back. Thanks everyone.
78  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 09:09:27 AM
Hello everyone,

Thanks for taking part in this. I am increasing the confirmation to 144 in about 4 hours from now. It will mean your payment will be sent after about 24 hours from your bet. I would assume most of you will stop. It is still a good investment scheme for you but I'm sure it will greatly slow down the bitcoin attack scenario. This will still run indefinitely and other services will still be added for different amounts of bets/investments. 144 confirmations, I assume is a sustainable setting for us, although unattractive for you. If you stop sending, we would understand. Thanks for participating.

The original post will be edited to reflect this change in a while to provide sufficient warning. However, the actual change will be done 4 hours from now. It means all bets placed 4 hours from now shall follow a 24 hour window before it will be processed/returned. Thanks.

Watch out for roll outs of our other products:

HungerCoins Lottery
HungerCoins Invest
HungerCoins Lending
79  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 08:17:18 AM
I think this is only disruptive for now because of short confirmations and small amounts. I'm gradually increasing it anyway.
80  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hunger Coins: An offer you can't refuse on: September 01, 2012, 08:13:56 AM
Help me out here, please. Are you telling me to stop all what I plan to do? Will you stop everyone trying to include bitcoin in their business?
Just implement what you need in a way that doesn't encourage people to abuse the network. If someone wants to spend 50 BTC on your service, let them send 50 BTC instead of demanding they chop it up in 200 pieces. In some cases (this one sounds like one), it makes sense to keep a side-side balance so a single withdrawl transaction can be made when they are done.

I'm not a threat I believe. At least not yet. I'm not even sure if this micro project will even take off. This is an exploratory experiment. It's exciting but no guarantees.
The only reason I even found your service was because it was flooding #Bitcoin-Watch to the point of crowding out the normal traffic.

May I know which programs/service you blacklisted?
The only other one that has been as disruptive so far is SatoshiDice.

Thanks for your reply. For HC Invest, I plan to put different addresses for 0.25, 0.5, 1, and 5 bitcoins and the payout will be every 144 confirmations. I hope that will be fair with you. Do you agree?

For HC Lottery, it's a single 0.10 or 0.25 bet and payout every 2 confirmations. This one, I'm not sure how disruptive. Any suggestions?

For HC Lending, well this is a slow one. We will lend probably on a weekly basis. Not finalized yet.
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