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61  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 10:22:54 AM
You seem not to have understood what you just referred to.

It seems pretty clear that until they know which golden slots are actually paying within the seven day window they won't know which of them will actually still exist to be ahead of the ordered by actual payment non-golden folk like me and, maybe, one of these years, if you like what we all get, and still want some once we all got some, you...

-MarkM-


Nope. I placed the non-golden order and have 7 days to pay. So the placement is not done by the payment date.
62  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 10:17:45 AM

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Bullpucky. When *I* pay matters a lot. The fact I already paid puts me ahead of any non-golden-500 person who didn't pay before I did, I thought they actually wrote that somewhere? Or was that baseless hearsay posted by some random troll?

-MarkM-


Nope. They didn't reply to my email regarding order placement and shipment but they did to another guy

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=225540.msg2376984#msg2376984

And placement is not done by actual payment, not at the moment at least
63  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 10:09:39 AM

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Are you saying it doesn't matter how long I, as a non-first-500 person, dilly dally and blather before paying, because I somehow won't end up behind more and more non first 500 people who actually fork over the money?

...

-MarkM-


exactly, there is no clearly defined fair process and when you pay at the moment does not matter
64  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 10:02:25 AM
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Did I miss a post where they explained they only get enough millimeters of a shared wafer each semester to produce 500 units in the fall, another 500 sometime in the winter, and maybe faster in the spring if they had been able to place enough pre-orders for wafer space by then or something?

-MarkM-


You totally missed how they assign places
65  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 09:56:21 AM
Presuming things go as they planned, there won't be a huge time difference between the 1-500 orders and the rest.

It won't be the Avalon model with a large time gap between batches, and it won't be the bfl model of a few at a time, it should be a constant stream of large deliveries.

You could even say that the more pre-orders they get the better they can adapt their processes to deliver more and faster.

Then you should be fine with the lottery placement, right? There won't be that much of time difference.

I think everyone is saying in your thread, you are a sore loser and you should start being responsible for your own actions and inactions.

And do read this carefully, you are the only and I mean only person complaining. Everyone else is okay with what they are doing. Everyone has disagreed with what you are saying.

Do the poll and see how many support the idea of the few ones to get all the reward vs lottery placement
66  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 09:39:56 AM
Presuming things go as they planned, there won't be a huge time difference between the 1-500 orders and the rest.

It won't be the Avalon model with a large time gap between batches, and it won't be the bfl model of a few at a time, it should be a constant stream of large deliveries.

You could even say that the more pre-orders they get the better they can adapt their processes to deliver more and faster.

Then you should be fine with the lottery placement, right? There won't be that much of time difference.
67  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 09:16:18 AM
AHAHAHAH jesus OP is so burnt I can't believe it.

The greed, hypocrisy, jealousy, envy LOL. Money brings out the worst in men.

Basically all OP is saying is that "omg these guys are so unfair but if I'm in the first 500, then everything is all good".

No-one at all is forcing you to buy. You don't like what the situation is, then don't buy it. Having a teary about it just makes people laugh at you. Also you're stupid for not doing your research first. Reading a newsletter is nothing. Hell the same thing applies to BFL/Avalon/ASICminer. If you followed the forums on BFL/Avalon topics then you'd probably get way more detailed information than from the official newsletter itself due to the reps participating here.

Seriously. boo hoo mate

I'm not at all disappointed, rather astounded how they can do business like that and people follow like sheep.
BFL story all round.

READ THIS CAREFULLY: unfair process is when everyone invests the same but few reap the reward.

Let kncminer go with 500 orders first and when the product is done sell the next batch, how Avalon did. Then the early adopters will be rewarded for the risk. If I was in the first 500 I'd be fine with that.

If they want all money, they need to run a lottery or wait for all the devices to come before giving one to anyone.
68  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:56:17 AM
They're not asking for your money only. You are not that special to them. Anyone can order, pay and take the risk.

Exactly, they want my and the rest of people money to make 500 lucky ones happy

ADDED: let's run a lottery for the 500 spots, how about that ?

As I said before, you need a reality check very badly.

You're totally obsessed the early pre-orders. And it wasn't luck they got in. They did their homework.

The let them go with 500 orders maybe? Do you need the suckers, yes or no?

It's up to them, not me.

As I said, if you're not happy, don't order.

And that's a very shortsighted view on the business, a better view is when there is a win-win situation.
We can still change it around, doing lottery on the 500 spots.
Otherwise many won't order and the funds can get limited.
69  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:37:00 AM
They're not asking for your money only. You are not that special to them. Anyone can order, pay and take the risk.

Exactly, they want my and the rest of people money to make 500 lucky ones happy

ADDED: let's run a lottery for the 500 spots, how about that ?

As I said before, you need a reality check very badly.

You're totally obsessed the early pre-orders. And it wasn't luck they got in. They did their homework.

The let them go with 500 orders maybe? Do you need the suckers, yes or no?
70  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:30:26 AM
They're not asking for your money only. You are not that special to them. Anyone can order, pay and take the risk.

Exactly, they want my and the rest of people money to make 500 lucky ones happy

ADDED: let's run a lottery for the 500 spots, how about that ?
71  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:27:26 AM
Better place your order quick so you can be in the second batch!

Second batch means that they take money for 500 orders ONLY. Then after shipping it they take money for the second batch.
Now I'm kinda in the first batch where only few lucky ones get the product, and the rest is doomed to wait whatever time is needed for the first 500 to reap the smoke out of their ASICs.

Meantime in August many new products can appear driving the price down. That's why kncminer want to secure all payments now.

ADDED: how about waiting for all the devices to come to Sweden before giving out to anyone?

If you have order #1, will you be asking that? I don't think so.

Tell you in all honesty - I wouldn't ask myself but if somebody did I'd agree it's fair

So if KNC gets 10000 orders, and they will need 6 months to make that many. You are willing to wait while avalon, bfl, bitfury all are hashing away happily while you only get yours in 2014?

Extremely hypocritical from what you were saying earlier.

Then take your 500 orders and run with it. Why ask for my money ?
72  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:25:44 AM
Better place your order quick so you can be in the second batch!

Second batch means that they take money for 500 orders ONLY. Then after shipping it they take money for the second batch.
Now I'm kinda in the first batch where only few lucky ones get the product, and the rest is doomed to wait whatever time is needed for the first 500 to reap the smoke out of their ASICs.

Meantime in August many new products can appear driving the price down. That's why kncminer want to secure all payments now.

ADDED: how about waiting for all the devices to come to Sweden before giving out to anyone?

No they need funds to develop an entirely new 28nm ASIC which can cost in the hundreds of thousands.

Chip manufacturers want payment before they manufacture ironically.

But f**k it, they should have expected you as well!

And aside from 500 initial pre order guaranteed positions, there are no batches per say, you're just in line dependant on purchase position. You really have read nothing but their initial offering way back before ORSoC came on board.

Do you even know who ORSoC are?!

Man, are you on page with us? We pay UPFRONT - there is no more money after they get the devices.
73  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Better place your order quick so you can be in the second batch!

Second batch means that they take money for 500 orders ONLY. Then after shipping it they take money for the second batch.
Now I'm kinda in the first batch where only few lucky ones get the product, and the rest is doomed to wait whatever time is needed for the first 500 to reap the smoke out of their ASICs.

Meantime in August many new products can appear driving the price down. That's why kncminer want to secure all payments now.

ADDED: how about waiting for all the devices to come to Sweden before giving out to anyone?

If you have order #1, will you be asking that? I don't think so.

Tell you in all honesty - I wouldn't ask myself but if somebody did I'd agree it's fair
74  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:14:30 AM
Better place your order quick so you can be in the second batch!

Second batch means that they take money for 500 orders ONLY. Then after shipping it they take money for the second batch.
Now I'm kinda in the first batch where only few lucky ones get the product, and the rest is doomed to wait whatever time is needed for the first 500 to reap the smoke out of their ASICs.

Meantime in August many new products can appear driving the price down. That's why kncminer want to secure all payments now.

ADDED: how about waiting for all the devices to come to Sweden before giving out to anyone?
75  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:07:36 AM
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I'm not sure you're smart either. When the quality go up because of the investment, all shareholders must somehow win, isn't it?
Now tell me how I win when 500 to X devices go mining before I even get a chance to unpack mine?

you are right , you don't win..  you lose, look in the mirror and what you see??  someone who lost...  so sad..  

Thanks for the support! You basically confirming that > 500 dudes lose on this, right!
76  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 01:01:26 AM

that sounds pretty much BFL-ly
But times changed, the 500 ones need the rest of us to have a sweet deal
I'm not in till kncminer makes it clear who gets what when

Stop saying that the 500 needs the rest of us to have a sweet deal. That does not make sense at all.

Everyone had a fair chance to getting into the first 500 orders.

You say you don't visit the forums but it is your responsibility if you wanted the product that bad to do your own due diligence.


I trusted kncminer when I registered and subscribed to their OFFICIAL newsletter.
Now I don't. Take these 500 orders and run for the cold burgers, have luck !
77  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 12:53:04 AM

Let them go with 500 orders then , why ask for more ?
Sweeter deal for the 500 lucky ones, that's why

Why does McDonalds sell more then 100 burgers a day? Wouldn't quality then go up?

I'm not sure if you're trolling or are just plain stupid now.

I'm not sure you're smart either. When the quality go up because of the investment, all shareholders must somehow win, isn't it?
Now tell me how I win when 500 to X devices go mining before I even get a chance to unpack mine?

They go by quantity that is how the shareholders win. They sell more, they profit more. How do you not know this?

So tell me when you go to McDonalds, and when you see a long line for buying food, do you also shout that it's unfair that there are people in front of you and that they get to eat first?

Man, you're definitely not smart, sorry
I didn't give money to McDonald's, but kncminer takes the same amount of money from everyone then ships to the first 500 and the rest will be history as usual, now get this?
We invest same amount per share but only 500 lucky ones get a return, shout or not

We all invest the same amount and we all get mining machines regardless of what you are saying. If you are so worried about time-frame. Don't buy it. Simple.

Whether you get into the first 500 is up to you. Not KNC or anyone else.

To make it simpler for you: we invest same amount and then wait till all machines from all batches arrive to Sweden, how about that ?

You're honestly not going to use common sense are you.

It's up to you whether you are early in the queue or not. The more you wait, the later you are in the queue.

that sounds pretty much BFL-ly
But times changed, the 500 ones need the rest of us to have a sweet deal
I'm not in till kncminer makes it clear who gets what when
78  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 12:50:05 AM

Let them go with 500 orders then , why ask for more ?
Sweeter deal for the 500 lucky ones, that's why

Why does McDonalds sell more then 100 burgers a day? Wouldn't quality then go up?

I'm not sure if you're trolling or are just plain stupid now.

I'm not sure you're smart either. When the quality go up because of the investment, all shareholders must somehow win, isn't it?
Now tell me how I win when 500 to X devices go mining before I even get a chance to unpack mine?

They go by quantity that is how the shareholders win. They sell more, they profit more. How do you not know this?

So tell me when you go to McDonalds, and when you see a long line for buying food, do you also shout that it's unfair that there are people in front of you and that they get to eat first?

Man, you're definitely not smart, sorry
I didn't give money to McDonald's, but kncminer takes the same amount of money from everyone then ships to the first 500 and the rest will be history as usual, now get this?
We invest same amount per share but only 500 lucky ones get a return, shout or not

We all invest the same amount and we all get mining machines regardless of what you are saying. If you are so worried about time-frame. Don't buy it. Simple.

Whether you get into the first 500 is up to you. Not KNC or anyone else.

To make it simpler for you: we invest same amount and then wait till all machines from all batches arrive to Sweden, how about that ?

Because everyone that paid attention, queued and ordered first would have cold burgers!

I get it, now take your 500 orders and go with it, ah?
79  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 12:47:34 AM

Let them go with 500 orders then , why ask for more ?
Sweeter deal for the 500 lucky ones, that's why

Why does McDonalds sell more then 100 burgers a day? Wouldn't quality then go up?

I'm not sure if you're trolling or are just plain stupid now.

I'm not sure you're smart either. When the quality go up because of the investment, all shareholders must somehow win, isn't it?
Now tell me how I win when 500 to X devices go mining before I even get a chance to unpack mine?

They go by quantity that is how the shareholders win. They sell more, they profit more. How do you not know this?

So tell me when you go to McDonalds, and when you see a long line for buying food, do you also shout that it's unfair that there are people in front of you and that they get to eat first?

Man, you're definitely not smart, sorry
I didn't give money to McDonald's, but kncminer takes the same amount of money from everyone then ships to the first 500 and the rest will be history as usual, now get this?
We invest same amount per share but only 500 lucky ones get a return, shout or not

We all invest the same amount and we all get mining machines regardless of what you are saying. If you are so worried about time-frame. Don't buy it. Simple.

Whether you get into the first 500 is up to you. Not KNC or anyone else.

To make it simpler for you: we invest same amount and then wait till all machines from all batches arrive to Sweden, how about that ?
80  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: KnCMiner order/shipment mess and unfairness on: June 05, 2013, 12:41:55 AM

Let them go with 500 orders then , why ask for more ?
Sweeter deal for the 500 lucky ones, that's why

Why does McDonalds sell more then 100 burgers a day? Wouldn't quality then go up?

I'm not sure if you're trolling or are just plain stupid now.

I'm not sure you're smart either. When the quality go up because of the investment, all shareholders must somehow win, isn't it?
Now tell me how I win when 500 to X devices go mining before I even get a chance to unpack mine?

They go by quantity that is how the shareholders win. They sell more, they profit more. How do you not know this?

So tell me when you go to McDonalds, and when you see a long line for buying food, do you also shout that it's unfair that there are people in front of you and that they get to eat first?

Man, you're definitely not smart, sorry
I didn't give money to McDonald's, but kncminer takes the same amount of money from everyone then ships to the first 500 and the rest will be history as usual, now get this?
We invest same amount per share but only 500 lucky ones get a return, shout or not
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