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601  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if receiving payments in bitcoins is made illegal? on: May 04, 2011, 01:06:10 PM
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Maybe I don't get it. But then I didn't get the "new paradigm" of the dot com bubble either. And I didn't lose money as a result.
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Bitcoin has applications for which it is uniquely suitable. There lies its potential IMO, not in competing with existing currencies and payment systems.  It will enable new business models that could not have existed without Bitcoin and that will depend on Bitcoin.  I agree that it may remain a niche currency, but I don't think it will ever disappear completely. Or a least it will be replaced by another p2p cryptocurrency.

It is very hard for us to imagine today what those business models might be, just like people could not have imagined in 1990 that Facebook is a viable business model.  Perhaps Bitcoin will even evolve into something whos prime use isn't a currency at all.  

As for the dot com bubble, the "new paradigm" did create real added value, this just took a longer time than most people expected, and the added value was grossly overestimated.

If you had invested in the right companies you would have made money.
602  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if receiving payments in bitcoins is made illegal? on: May 04, 2011, 01:37:16 AM
This is a cash economy, with a huge black market. One third of all employees are off the books (at least), tax dodging is the national sport, and physical paper currency is actually constantly in short supply on the streets. At one point last year the central bank had to buy in supplies from neighbouring Brazil to cover a shortfall, as the printing presses weren't whirring fast enough.

If the Argentinian government can't even stop a black market running on cash, how is it going to stop a black market running on Bitcoin?

Bitcoin is easier to conceal than cash, and harder to detect.
603  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: ALERT !! BTCEX.COM == FRAUD SITE. DON'T USE IT. on: May 03, 2011, 10:51:55 PM
He encouraged people/hackers to attack a rival exchange. That is enough. This is far from honest business.

He was perfectly honest about it, though!

He may be a nihilist but I don't believe he is dishonest. Not until I see evidence that he has broken a mutual agreement of some sort.
604  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if receiving payments in bitcoins is made illegal? on: May 03, 2011, 10:42:59 PM
True, but imagine holding onto a currency that you can't spend in your own country. Seems kind of pointless, doesn't it?

Not necessarily. Most Swiss Francs in circulation are held by people who don't live in Switzerland.  Same could happen to BTC if it's perceived as an currency that won't lose its value.
605  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if receiving payments in bitcoins is made illegal? on: May 03, 2011, 10:30:38 PM
It is a legal minefield and would drag govt.s into courts for years trying to figure of out fine distinctions in crypto-technology that politicians have no clue about.

Change in the legal system happens very very slowly, and the internet moves lightning fast. It will take politicians and judges years to even get their head around what a p2p cryptocurrency is in the first place, and by that time their 10-year old daughters will be using Bitcoin as in-game currency for MMOGs.

606  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What if receiving payments in bitcoins is made illegal? on: May 03, 2011, 10:06:16 PM
The major potential I see for Bitcoin are not so much large retailers but small entrepreneurs, freelancers, and the grey market, especially in developing countries where a lot of trade happens off the radar anyhow. Even in richer countries like Italy there is a huge underground economy that the government struggles to tax or regulate.  

It is going to be almost impossible to enforce a Bitcoin ban in this sector. That would be even harder than trying to enforce a ban on cash!

Many of the slums in the world's megacities are a cash-only economy, because a lot of slum dwellers don't even have documents, let alone a bank account.  This isn't a small economy though.  In 3-5 years time every favelado in Rio is going to own a smartphone.  Imagine what an improvement Bitcoin would offer for them compared to cash.  When the Brazilian government  struggles to keep the armed gangs under control, do you really think that enforcing a Bitcoin ban is going to be high on its list of priorities? They've got other things to worry about!
 

Anyhow, I think it's unlikely that Bitcoin will be banned outright in the West. What we are more likely to see are attempts to regulate it, and prosecution of individual users rather than the network as a whole.  

See the history of bittorrent for an analogy.
607  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: MTGox vs mysterious Russia on: May 03, 2011, 07:44:06 PM
seems like I can take vacation from the bitcoin technical analysis...

this is terrible...

It's certainly terrible for Mtgox. But is it terrible for Bitcoin?  

If the success of a whole currency can be threatened by something as minor as a DDoS attack on a single website, then it isn't any better than a centralised currency and it has failed to achieve its goals.

I am optimistic and believe that it can't. This community is very good at reorganizing around damage. It arleady proved resilience when mtgox and bitcoin market were attacked for the first time in Oct 2010.
608  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Idea for the killer bitcoin app on: May 03, 2011, 03:48:15 PM
Tipping is not the killer app IMO because there is nothing that Bitcoin does much better about tipping that other centralised tipping services don't arleady do. 
609  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Return policies in a deflationary economy on: May 03, 2011, 12:51:59 PM
No, it won't make return policies unworkable.

Computer hardware retailers already  operate in a deflationary economy.  The price of their products deflates by about 30-50% every year, yet they seem to be doing fine, even in jurisdictions where a 30 day return policy is mandatory.  

If you buy an Intel processor or external HD it's very likely that 30 days later it has alread dropped in price.

So what is their solution? I guess they already factor in the losses from returns into their prices. Simple as that.

Also, don't forget that even in an inflationary economy, a lot of returned goods cannot be resold for the original price anyhow, because the packaging is damaged.


Anyhow, I doubt that once Bitcoin is a mature currency deflation will be higher than 30-50%


610  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much of the world's computer power will we end up with? on: May 03, 2011, 11:43:30 AM
Depends how fast Bitcoin grows and how big it becomes.

If Bitcoin becomes the world's dominant currency by 2020 and most of the world's population keeps their cash savings in Bitcoin, then most of the world's computing power will go into Bitcoin mining.

Not only that, most of the world's electricity will go into Bitcoin mining.

The total computing power will continue halving every 4 years but it would take until 2030-2040 until Bitcoin mining is no longer the world's biggest consumer of computing power and electricity.

611  Economy / Economics / Re: What would happen if electric companies started accepting bitcoins!? on: May 02, 2011, 10:13:31 PM
Forget power stations. Eventually they too will be uncompetitive.


Polymer solar cells can be made extremely light and thin (100 nm) and are potentially very cheap to manufacture.

Their biggest disadvantages are low lifetime, quick degradation when exposed to oxygen (requiring expensive coatings), and low yield (3-5% in commercial applications).

But those disadvantages don't matter in space.

I envision square kilometer nanofilm sheets, each sheet weighing no more than 100 kg.  A single Atlas V rocket could launch 200 square km worth of these fragile soap bubble thin collectors  into low earth orbit, where they begin the slow process of unfolding.

The sheets have nano-tube based circuits integrated into their entire surface.  

Bitcoin generation doesn't happen a few meters from the electricity source, it happens a few atoms from the electricity source.

No need to transmit electricity back  to Earth, only low bandwidth data.

After they reach their end of life they simply disintegrate in the atmosphere, but replacement is continuous.

Eventually those sheets could become so numerous that they block a couple of % of sunlight reaching the Earth.


Bitcoin not only saves the world from central banking but global warming too!  
612  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: US patriot act on: May 02, 2011, 11:29:50 AM
Bitcoins are not issued by anyone. Not even by miners. Miners merely confirm transactions. Even a block award is nothing more than a confirmed transaction.

Patriarch Act thus not applicable.
613  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: decentralized Bitcoin are highly centralized to mtgox!11 on: May 01, 2011, 11:28:47 AM
But we want anarchy and autoregulation? This is it is.

I must admit he has a point there.

DDoS attacks do not violate the non-aggression principle, so in an anarchy they are fair game.

But just because you're not violating the non-aggression principle doesnt mean you are not being a huge asshole.

DDoS attacks are an exploitation of the website owner's generosity and violation of the good faith principles that keep the internet running. (the tragedy of the commons that allows spam and DDoS  is an inherent design flaw of the internet but that is a different topic)


This attack was a minor inconvenience for the community, but his ruined reputation is real autoregulation in action.

614  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: [poll] Namecoin official tld : .bit, .web, .p2p on: April 30, 2011, 12:02:38 PM
tld with 1 letter would never be reserved by icann.

Does it matter? If Namecoin reaches critical mass, most people will stick with the system that came first and simply ignore ICANN's conflicting .bit or .web assignments.

Remember, ICANN can't force anybody to use their root nameserves.  Even for a non-geek user all it takes to circumvent ICANN is a browser plugin, and I assume that this type of plugin would be turned on by default on a Firefox download, if Namecoin were ever to become mainstream.
615  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Should bitcoin wiki allow links to christian religious services? on: April 30, 2011, 10:22:35 AM
The real question is, should the bitcoin wiki allow links to  Christian DMT Users?

Even when it's legal in Brazil  (well only if you are a Christian that is)?
616  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin & the Banks on: April 29, 2011, 11:47:33 PM
Why would bitcoin be a threat to banks?

Bitcoin will decimate the banking industry for the same reason that the internet decimated the travel agent industry.


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They're really good at securely handling currency; that's a valuable service, whether the currency is dollars or euros or bitcoins.

Yes, they are good at securely handling currency, but only with big overheads.

It won't stop being a valuable service, but securely handling BTC is a lot cheaper and less labour intensive than securely handling USD or EUR.

A bitcoin vault service run by computer security experts would probably only need need 1/10th of the employees as an equivalent sized bank, and it would probably offer superiour security at that.

617  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: New, simple online wallet: www.instawallet.org - no signup required on: April 29, 2011, 02:44:46 PM
Great idea.

I like the speed and simplicity of the whole thing.

It's bit like keeping some cash hidden under the doormat for emergencies.

618  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin Technical Analysis on: April 29, 2011, 10:13:51 AM
A friend of mine coined an excellent term for the current surge:  it's a heisenbubble.

To me it looks more like a bohrble.
619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is anonyminity worth? on: April 28, 2011, 07:48:33 PM
The potential for criminal activity associated with them is just too great.
The potential for non-criminal activity is even greater.  Bitcoin enables all sorts of innovative new businesses that were not possible before. It will boost free trade and empower a new generation of freelancers and small entrepreneurs. It will give the world's poorest people access to a "bank account". I could give you many more examples how it will make most of us better off if it succeeds.

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But I don't want to be a part of helping the bad guys out there.  The cost of my being able to re-locate and be anonymous means that other people can too, and I don't know if I want them to be able to do that.
Most technological advancements facilitate certain crimes. The automobile facilitated kidnappings and drive by shootings. The internet facilitated credid card fraud.  Chemistry facilitated the holocaust.

But try to see the bigger picture. They also bring huge societal benefits that far outweigh the detriments.

If your aim is to stop criminals by denying yourself the technologies that might help them to commit crimes, you have to reject other technologies too, not just bitcoin. And don't forget that Bitcoin can also be used to combat crime.

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I'm in a bit of a crisis here.  I don't know what I'm going to do, but thanks for letting me vent here guys.

Sit back and enjoy the ride.

See bitcoin for what it is - just a tool.

The 21st century will be scary but wonderful.
620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Most people are not capable of keeping their wallets safe? on: April 28, 2011, 05:04:35 PM
[...] and we cannot expect Joe Sixpack or Grandma to ever learn anything about computer security or backing up files.
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Well maybe we should expect them to learn about it.

Basic computer literacy should be considered just as important as the three Rs these days.

I've not saying that Joe Sixpack should be expected to understand the mathematics of encryption, but he should have a conceptual notion of what comprises a good password, the most common attack scenarios, what a firewall does, backup strategies, redundance, etc .

Almost everybody can learn those basic concepts if they want to.  The problem I see with a lot of older people especially is not a lack of ability but a lack of motivation to deal with computers.  If a computer is suddenly more than just a novel way of shopping and mailing letters, and a big part of their savings is at stake, I bet that the motivation will appear.    
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