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6041  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Provably Honest Online Elections are Possible on the Blockchain on: December 21, 2014, 09:47:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETCP8NeXasY
6042  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Thinking about long time investment on: December 20, 2014, 09:32:20 PM
Maybe look into forex trading if you're looking to make money from currency trading, maybe leverage against the euro and dinar and such.

If you want a better currency for your future use, Bitcoin is that answer. Look into Apple and other tech stocks for your investment desires.

Whatever you invest in, make sure you're not keeping your earnings in any fiat currency. They will not be worth much in a few years no matter how well your investments turn out.
6043  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I spent my Bitcoin. on: December 20, 2014, 04:38:55 PM
Nobody finds it weird that Purse offers around a 20% discount?
I dont think it matters as long as you get your products later.

Would love to hear more first hand experiences of people using purse, is it totally, legal?

There are many ways people get Amazon points / coupons / discounts. They can easily turn that into bitcoins.

Also, for some people internationally there are very few ways to get bitcoins. I know here in Germany some people on localbitcoins ask for around 20% above price. I put my price at 10% and had people driving hours to buy at such a "low" price.
6044  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ukraine bans fiat currency on: December 20, 2014, 12:08:25 PM
Could be misinterpreted. Probably what they mean is totally different. If they don't accept fiat currency in Hryvnia doesn't mean that they won't accept payment in other fiat currency to convert to btc. Euro should be the choice.

I'm pretty sure the euro is not accepted on the Bitcoin blockchain either.

no, bitcoin only  Wink

This.

Wow, that went over almost everyone's head.

You can't send fiat over the Bitcoin network people! And you can't send bitcoin over the bank fiat network (try it, I'm sure your bank's manager will be confused when you hold up your private key and ask to send bitcoins to another bank over ACH or SEPA).

The original warning was from the Ukraine Central Bank saying they would not allow Bitcoin to be sent over their banking networks (I just changed bitcoin to fiat and vice versa). And yet this was translated by all articles to "Ukraine bans Bitcoin?". Even Ecuador where everyone has been convinced that Bitcoin is banned, the actual law states that it is illegal to send cryptocurrency over their national fiat payment network (not only is it illegal, it is physically impossible).

A little lesson: Banks banning bitcoins from their banks does not equal Bitcoins are illegal. McDonalds banning Burger King hamburgers from their restaurants does not equal Burger King hamburgers are illegal.

The Central Bank made the "announcement" on Facebook for God's sake...if Facebook posts can make things illegal, we will all be forced to buy kittens and puppies.
6045  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What's your coin count? on: December 20, 2014, 11:53:19 AM
two fiddy
6046  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 20, 2014, 11:27:41 AM
I can't believe I set my buy price at 255 Euro back in November when the price was over 300 and it bottomed only doing a partial trade at 255.

I guess I called the bottom.
6047  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Would you like to get paid in Bitcoin? on: December 20, 2014, 11:23:51 AM
Updated OP again.

I was able to get $500 of my paycheck converted to bitcoins. Went through to my Bitcoin address. Next step, full bitcoin paycheck.
6048  Bitcoin / Project Development / I want an android alarm clock app that also shows the Bitcoin price on: December 19, 2014, 02:54:59 PM
Like most people I have a tablet that I never use except when I go on an airplane.

So, instead of letting it sit in a drawer somewhere I use it as my alarm clock. I have it set up next to my bed with a clock and it wakes me up in the morning with the ability to hit snooze or dismiss.

What would be even better is if when I wake up in the morning I hit dismiss and look at my clock and see the price of bitcoin below the time.

Not that I would pay a lot for this, I think it would be cool and I imagine it would be a simple app to write.
6049  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why does it feel so complicated/frustrating to buy bitcoins for the first time? on: December 19, 2014, 02:06:11 PM
Easiest as far as verifications go is localbitcoins.

If you're in the US CoinBase is about the best route for bank transfers.

I have had to deal with a few companies since moving to Europe.

I have had to send:
a copy of my passport
a copy of the back of my passport
a picture of me holding up my passport
a copy of my debit card (I forgot which service required that)
a copy of my bank statement
proof of address

In the end I was denied on 2 out of the 4 that I tried. One of them costs me money to wire my money to them because they are in Hong Kong, the other was working for 2 weeks and then halted euro deposits. They opened euro deposits for a week and now dropped my verification level because they upgraded their verification process. This includes a new questionnaire with the following questions:
Are you a politicaly exposed person?
Are your family members politically exposed?
Are you working as an executive staff, acting board member or current shareholder (>10%) of any licensed financial institution?
Have you ever been charged with a financial crime, tax evasion cases, involved in falsification of auditor documents or are currently a person of interest in a financial crime(s) case?

What does "politically exposed person" even mean?


I went to get a bank account. Walked in, showed my ID, signed some papers, got an account.
It seems to me that the Bitcoin exchanges are under much more restrictions than banks when it comes to proof of identity.


But, by jumping through all of those hoops you are able to charge people using localbitcoins a premium because you deal with all of the bullshit so they don't have to.
6050  Economy / Speculation / Re: bitcoin cultists should give up trying to free humanity from evil bankers on: December 19, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
You forgot to post the bubble pop picture that looks absolutely nothing like our current charts (and is actually encouraging showing us returning to the mean average)
6051  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2014, 01:45:44 PM
lost over $150k this year Embarrassed

do you guys still think we could see $10k within 3years?


/\you wanna be safe:  sell and buy back in the $200s ... just sayin' Wink *tip jar accepted here <----

Very safe.

If you are expecting $10k prices, taking the chance of selling now and buying a few dollars less is the smart move.
6052  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ukraine bans fiat currency on: December 19, 2014, 01:05:34 PM
Could be misinterpreted. Probably what they mean is totally different. If they don't accept fiat currency in Hryvnia doesn't mean that they won't accept payment in other fiat currency to convert to btc. Euro should be the choice.

I'm pretty sure the euro is not accepted on the Bitcoin blockchain either.
6053  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Ukraine bans fiat currency on: December 19, 2014, 12:44:37 PM
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The fiat currency Hryvnia can not be used in Ukraine as a means of payment on the Bitcoin network.

Confusing. I'm guessing that they mean you are not allowed to buy bitcoin with fiat?

No, you cannot send fiat currency over the Bitcoin blockchain.
6054  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Ukraine bans fiat currency on: December 19, 2014, 12:11:52 PM
I'm not sure 100% on the translation but does this mean that all fiat currencies have been banned in Ukraine?

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The fiat currency Hryvnia can not be used in Ukraine as a means of payment on the Bitcoin network.

Reported official representative of the Bitcoin Network of Ukraine (BNU) on Facebook.

According to the regulator which has to ensure real value based on math, fiat currencies are "money substitutes."

Also, the Bitcoin Network of Ukraine stressed that the international payments using Hryvnia has made "this category of services attractive to illegal activities, including money laundering of crime or financing terrorism and war".

"In order to protect consumers' rights and security of the money transfer Bitcoin Network recommends that you use the services of only those payment systems, settlement systems, which are included in the blockchain, Bitcoin network,  and Bitcoin payment infrastructure" - the representatives of the regulator

http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-foundation-ukraine-central-bank-warning-isnt-ban/
6055  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Public Key Cryptography - Best explanation I've ever seen. on: December 19, 2014, 11:58:15 AM
One step closer to understanding public key cryptography but it still has not clicked.

Does their answer translate into a Bitcoin private/public key?
6056  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2014, 10:03:40 AM
Don't worry, there's always a next auction with tens and hundreds of thousands of stolen BTC. The ultimate finale will be MtGox.

I really wish the community didn't just let Mark dissapear into the shadows, that guy got away with a good amount of everything in the good days of BTC (for years)

We all just let him go away.

Yes I'm blaming mark karpeles for this sell off. because he robbed me.

Sorry for answering to this old post, but i had to throw this in:

After all the whole post gox downtrend that bitcoin is going through, could have been mostly caused by dumping the 'stolen coins', no?
I guess it would have been enough ammo to push the price down slowly to these levels...
Probably i am just daydreaming here and somebody might even mentioned it before and i missed it...
I doubt i can get an answer that satisfies me, unless mark krapeles comes here and tells us the story what really happened.

MtGox stopped allowing withdrawals and deposits of fiat. If that ever happens on an exchange you are on, get your bitcoins out of there fast. Everyone knew MtGox was not legit and got their money out. Those that left their money on were taking advantage of the crazy volatility going on there. The price de-coupled at one point from all other exchanges. It was no longer an exchange, it was a gambling site.
6057  Economy / Economics / Re: Russians move into bitcoin as ruble tanks (CNBC) on: December 19, 2014, 09:35:40 AM
Sounds good but why does the price of bitcoin keeps on tanking? There must some selling pressure coming from somewhere. Another explanation i convince myself is i expect the drop in bitcoin price is a reflection of the strength or gain in us dollar like what is happening against all other currencies with bitcoin losing no exception.
maybe...
the russian maybe buying bitcoin but then quickly cashing into fiat of their destination

Seems like that's true. I guess there must be a big problem buying USD in Russia.
Not really. You can easily convert your ruble deposit to a dollar one just by going to your bank. Getting dollar cash might be a bit harder if there's a lack of dollars at the bank (dollars are sometimes bought faster than they are brought from bank vaults).

On the contrary, getting into Bitcoin is harder for an average Russian. There are no ATMs, so you have to use online payment systems to buy Bitcoin.

Most Russians would just buy dollars and keep them in banks in neighboring countries...like Cyprus.
6058  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: December 19, 2014, 08:59:14 AM
My 255 euro buy wall has held for the past few days even while the dollar amount equivalent has gone below that on several exchanges. It's only 3 BTC.
6059  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I spent my Bitcoin. on: December 18, 2014, 04:00:59 PM

Good to heard it from a trusted member like you Elwar, I'm planning to buy iPhone 6 from there. I hope I get a good discount with Bitcoin Smiley

I had a hard time getting the iPhone 6 from there. You need to make sure you get a listing where it shows the price in the ad on Amazon.
6060  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Why is Africa stuck in the stone age? on: December 18, 2014, 03:42:56 PM
Most of the countries are run by dictators.

When your government allows you almost zero freedom, you will not produce.

The country that has improved the most since their dictatorship fell is Somalia. While not a powerhouse compared to 1st world countries, it is a vast improvement from its dictatorship days.
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