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621  Economy / Speculation / Re: KARHU BEGONE! Now is the age of the BULL! Taurus Zodiac have come upon us! on: April 24, 2014, 10:00:48 PM
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Lucky number:  6

I see satan is still alive and well in Bitcoin!  :-O
622  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Robocoin Announcing ‘Something Big’ on May 1 on: April 24, 2014, 09:58:42 PM
The question always is:  Is it big for the entire Bitcoin world, or "big" for them as a company.

-B-
623  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Western Union Survey on: April 23, 2014, 12:48:55 AM
Did my best...




624  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Who will be the first to Die? on: April 21, 2014, 11:49:06 PM
He's too fat to die by gunfire. The bullets would just bounce off. Was the popping sound the buttons on his pants popping off from too many Starbucks beverages? Fat people are more prone to heart attack so he might be the first Bitcoin death.

Okay I LOL'd ...

-B-
625  Economy / Speculation / Re: Final Warning for Long-term holders... on: April 21, 2014, 01:02:04 AM
1)  Nobody cares that you're a lawyer.  You write like a 3rd grader, which is more indicative of intelligence level than your degree.

2)  You call your own predictions worthless, admitted only 2 days ago that you don't even grasp Bitcoin yet, then mock people who are holding BTC long term, as idiots who are going to lose all their money.

Put those two together, and you have absolutely nothing to contribute to this forum.

Just my opinion.

-B-
626  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What Do You WISH you could buy with Bitcoin? on: April 20, 2014, 03:33:18 PM
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What do you WISH you could buy with Bitcoin?

The most common things.   Food/Groceries.  Pay Rent.  Car Payment. 
627  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Getting the Bitcoin "B" into Unicode on: April 20, 2014, 03:30:33 PM
This needs to get going.  

It looks like someone already tried but got the reply: "Not going to happen until it has widespread adoption".

But that was back in 2011.  I can't find anything after that.

http://www.unicode.org/mail-arch/unicode-ml/y2011-m06/0083.html

What's the process to get the symbol included in unicode?

Where do we start?

-B-
628  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You can´t stop BTC - The Honey Badger of Money! on: April 20, 2014, 03:27:23 PM
While it would take some effort BTC could be added to Unicode, there is an established process for doing it...

What's the process, and has someone gotten the ball rolling?  If not, lets ...

-B-
629  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: TechCrunch Article: Blockchain 2.0 - Unleash the Sidechains on: April 20, 2014, 12:05:35 AM
Just answering based on the little I do know, and understand:

1. In general, a for profit company with a low to no stake in Bitcoin should not be trusted to make changes to the protocol that facilitate its profit making. Especially if it's gone out and hired core devs and comes at the expense of the competition.
I don't think its necessarily bad that someone improves Bitcoin in such a huge way, and gains a profit off that effort.  
If Ethereum had done an IPO when they said they were going to, they'd all be sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars.
Profit doesn't automatically become evil just because it involves modifying the core code.
Especially in the setting of a worldwide audience and full public disclosure ahead of time.  The changes facilitate Bitcoins success too.

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I don't understand the secrecy as I've asked for those names several times.
I don't think its secrecy.  Ethereum was "mum" before the Miami conference as well.  There were no ill intentions.  They just weren't ready to announce yet.   These guys did a podcast and said the info is coming soon.  Doesn't seem feasible to just assume something shady is going on.

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I for one don't think Bitcoin needs fixing.
As a remittances tool you're right.  Or a store of value.  Or tax haven, etc.  If you want it to do anything other than the basics, it needs enhancing.  Not fixing.  I absolutely can not see Bitcoin, in its current form, being robust enough in features to facilitate a world economy.  That's exactly why Bitcoin 2.0 innovation began so quickly.  Are you an opponent of all the Bitcoin 2.0 efforts then?  (Mastercoin, Ethereum, Color Coins, BitShares, etc)

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3. I've always conceptualized Bitcoin as being a self contained financial system so I am concerned that it's fundamental value units will be allowed to leave its system destined for what will inevitably be a weaker sidechain from a security standpoint. In that sense I don't see them as "the first app" overlaying the protocol like Andreas likes to say. I see them as fundamentally integrated into the network. Invariably, whatever token your bitcoin is transformed into will be worth less as a result.
This bothered me in a strange way too.  Is it accurate that the process involved in the proposed sidechain actually involves the destruction of a Bitcoin?  Proof of Death I believe its being called?   That's a little strange to me.  

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We've spent 5 long years distributing those bitcoins throughout the blockchain in a fair and truthful manner based on free market trading. $600 million has been irreversibly spent to secure that process and the blockchain is delicately balanced as a result. Bitcoins are a fundamental value unit that was made for its network and only for that network in my opinion and now we want to let them move off that network potentially never to return. Satoshi never provisioned for this. That doesn't feel right to me.
Fair enough.  How do you feel about the value of Bitcoin being diluted by literally hundreds of idiots trying to get themselves rich though?  And a handful of legit groups making legit products, trying to do the exact same thing?   Seems like both situations have downsides.

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4. What knock on effects would occur to the Bitcoin network if 20-30% of these tokens get lost from a sidechain failure thus wiping out all the associated bitcoins as a result? The answer could be way more complex than just "oh, my bitcoins will be worth more".
There's actually a company whose entire business model is to destroy Bitcoins.
http://www.minyanville.com/business-news/editors-pick/articles/The-People-Who-Burn-Bitcoins-bitcoin/4/16/2014/id/54627
I've heard more than one person say they're all for it, as it increases the value of their coin.  Morally that seems reprehensible to me, but financially its great, since BTC can be infinitely divisible.

I think a lot is being assumed before the information has even been released.  

-B-
630  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: You can´t stop BTC - The Honey Badger of Money! on: April 19, 2014, 11:50:58 PM
Doing this to the B of Bitcoin should be criminal.

Agreed.  Stop trying to change the logo dummies.

It doesn't look better, and only an idiot would go with a logo that includes an inverted cross, when they're trying to vie for mainstream adoption.

And this honey badger video is *way* better:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r7wHMg5Yjg

-B-
631  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / TechCrunch Article: Blockchain 2.0 - Unleash the Sidechains on: April 19, 2014, 05:21:33 PM
Interesting article:

I took liberties to correct the title, as they will be calling it "Blockchain 2.0" not "Bitcoin 2.0".

http://techcrunch.com/2014/04/19/bitcoin-2-0-unleash-the-sidechains/

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Bitcoin 2.0: Unleash The Sidechains
Posted 4 hours ago by Jon Evans (@rezendi), Columnist

“Cryptocurrencies will create a fifth protocol layer powering the next generation of the Internet,” says Naval Ravikant. “Our 2014 fund will be built during the blockchain cycle,” concurs Fred Wilson. And Andreessen Horowitz have very visibly doubled down on Bitcoin.

Even if you don’t believe in Bitcoin as a currency, and I’ll grant there’s plenty to be skeptical about, you should be thinking: huh, a lot of extremely smart and successful people think that its underlying technology is a pretty big deal. But as I wrote myself just a few weeks ago, there’s a big difference between blockchain technology and Bitcoin itself, right?

…Maybe not.

A brief technical refresher: “blockchains” are the distributed-consensus technology introduced to the world by the mysterious Satoshi Nakamoto, wherein a peer-to-peer network is used to codify and cryptographically verify transactions, without any central authority. What’s more, transactions can be orchestrated by programmable contracts.

Bitcoin is both the first and most successful blockchain application, but there are many, many other “cryptocurrencies,” known as “altcoins.” What’s more, there are numerous other, non-currency applications being built on new blockchains, notably Namecoin and Ethereum, and several proposals for expanding and evolving Bitcoin itself, eg ZeroCoin, MasterCoin, Colored Coins, etc.

I realize this all sounds like abstruse hair-splitting to those not yet mentally invested in cryptocurrencies; but as Ravikant put it at TC Disrupt seven months ago:

…so, continuing that metaphor, imagine for a moment that it’s 1995 and you’re just beginning to notice that, over the last year or two, those weird crusty techies who sit in the corner have all started talking excitedly about “HTTP” and “HTML” and “cookies” … which apparently power this thing called the “web.”

So. We’ve got Bitcoin and its blockchain; and we’ve got scores if not hundreds of other blockchains, powering various altcoins and Namecoin and (soon) Ethereum et al. But blockchains, like social networks, benefit from a network effect. The most popular becomes the most resilient, the most powerful, the most valuable; and Bitcoin’s blockchain is, by far, the big dog today. These two facts have provoked a certain amount of anti-altcoin vitriol.

On the other hand, other blockchains are where most of the interesting innovation is happening. Namecoin as a DNS replacement; Ethereum as a generic platform for any kind of blockchain technology; hopefully some kind of blockchain replacement for X.509 certificates; SolarCoin for solar power; Dogecoin for those of us who love absurdism for its own sake; etc etc etc. The Bitcoin blockchain, despite/because of the megawatts of power poured into it, has grown sluggish and slow to change, a victim of its own success, which impedes the pace of innovation…

…or so I thought, until I met with Austin Hill and Adam Back. Hill is the former founder and CEO of Zero-Knowledge Systems, a multi-million-dollar startup that was a good 15-20 years ahead of its time; Back is the inventor of the Hashcash algorithm which powers Bitcoin. They have considerable credibility, in other words — and they’re building a stealth “Blockchain 2.0″ startup, based in part on the notion of “sidechains.”

Sidechains are new blockchains which are backed by Bitcoins, via Bitcoin contracts, just as dollars and pounds used to be backed by cold hard gold. You could in principle have thousands of sidechains “pegged” to Bitcoin, all with different characteristics and purposes … and all of them taking advantage of the scarcity and resilience guaranteed by the main Bitcoin blockchain, which in turn could iterate to implement experimental sidechain features once they have been tried and tested.

If sidechains take off, though — which will require some changes to the core Bitcoin protocol — this probably bodes ill for the existing altcoins. Not surprisingly, the proposal has attracted a fair amount of skepticism, not least from Vitalik Buterin, the chief scientist of Ethereum, who argues that sidechains require not just protocol changes but “the permission and active assistance of 50% of all Bitcoin mining pool operators.”

Why should you care? Two main reasons. One: because if Ravikant, Wilson, Andreessen, Hill, Back, etc. are correct, then in the long run, blockchain-backed cryptocurrencies could become the substrate of entire economies. Hill says: “I want to build a blockchain that could support a nation-state putting its national currency and phasing out paper dollars.”

Or, as A16Z’s Balaji Srinivasan describes a different-but-similarly-ambitious notion:

Two: because, as Hill said to me,

    Never mind “don’t be evil”; we want to build a company that actually can’t be evil.

…by which he means, an organization which is limited by contractual obligations built into and enforced by its blockchain(s).

The distributed nature of Bitcoin has caused people to speculate about autonomous corporations powered by blockchains, which sounds like a creepy Kafka-meets-Gibson notion if I ever heard one. On the other hand, a company which committed to behaving in a particular way, not with a mere promise, but with an enforceable and cryptographically ironclad contract, might be much worthier of the public’s trust than your standard amoral corporation.

This is, of course, all highly speculative verging on cloud-cuckoo-land until people actually start shipping code which turns these notions into reality. What interests me most about sidechains is that, if implemented, they might bring that day closer, by aiding and accelerating the entire ecosystem of blockchain innovation. And I’m awfully curious about what Hill and Back still have up their sleeve (no, they didn’t tell me.) Interesting times indeed.
632  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Walmart's new money transfer system thanks to Bitcoin? on: April 19, 2014, 01:51:23 PM
Doesn't matter if its expensive and limited compared to BTC.

Its trusted (walmart) and its cheaper than other current options.

Therefore it will succeed.

You guys need to remember how people think.

Nobody gives a shit about Bitcoin out there right now.

If Western Union created its own system, and advertised 90% reduced rates because they stole some elements of Bitcoin, they would succeed.

They have contracts with 711's all over the world to cash out from.  They have the infrastructure, the trust (name recognition), and the resources.

Nobody cares about Libertarian ideals, or the importance of decentralization out there.

Only we do, because we understand the power behind it.  All anyone cares about is "Is this cheaper than the previous option?"

If the answer is yes, it will succeed. 

Lets hope Bitcoin becomes as easy to use, and has the same substantial infrastructure.  But shit like that takes years to build...

-B-
633  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Rise of the Bitcoin detractors... on: April 19, 2014, 01:10:03 PM
Is it just me or does there seem to be a campaign of bitcoin detractors posting here lately?

I am not going to name names... but a brief scan of the forums and you should be able to spot them...

They're always new.   Well, usually.   Understand the chronology.  They hear about Bitcoin.  They're clueless and they hate it.

They go online to find a forum about it so they can sign up and talk trash.

Rarely (never?) will you see a detractor with a registration date before Feb 2103.

-B-
634  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is Big Scam on: April 18, 2014, 10:36:21 PM
Tanil, where are you, come back. 
635  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why has Ripple decreased so much in Market cap? Used to be second to Bitcoin on: April 18, 2014, 10:33:01 PM
I agree that Ripple has potential.

Fair enough:  they're not a consumer oriented technology.

However, I'm pretty sure they're not doing jack shit in the way of courting banks and other financial institutions either.

That's what I meant by not doing jack shit.

It seems as if they're sitting stagnant.  Someone has to go out there and sell the idea to financial institutions.

Is anyone doing that?

-B-
636  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why has Ripple decreased so much in Market cap? Used to be second to Bitcoin on: April 18, 2014, 08:18:37 PM
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Why has Ripple decreased so much in Market cap? Used to be second to Bitcoin

1.  Because they aren't doing jack shit.

2.  Because they aren't doing jack shit in the way of marketing, publicity, news articles, etc.

-B-
637  Economy / Speculation / Re: Huobi bank account shut down today 4/17/14 on: April 18, 2014, 12:41:26 AM
if we all stood our ground and held our bitcoins through all the fuddery, we would see bitcoin price stabilize and even increase quite a bit.

Yeah you guys bitch about them manipulating the price, but they wouldn't be able to if you weren't frantically frothing at the mouths trying to daytrade this shit.

Buy and hold and you cut off their nuts.

-B-
638  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Blockchain 2.0 – Let a Thousand Chains Blossom on: April 18, 2014, 12:38:18 AM
Is it correct that Bitcoin would have to do a "hard fork" in order to enable this?

Is that a big deal, or not really?

-B-
639  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Industry Group Aims to Change Bitcoin Symbol on: April 18, 2014, 12:37:04 AM
Proposed symbol looks like a nice graphic but I really think that the current symbol is better on the eye in typed form.

Bitcoin might be in relatively early days, but it is too conflicting to change the symbol at this stage, for what is already a confusing concept for the uninitiated?

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640  Economy / Speculation / Re: BREAKING NEWS. (MORE) CHINA BANKS BANS ON APRIL 18TH on: April 17, 2014, 04:08:44 PM
I expected the next China ban in a month or two but 2 days after it was banned, it is banned again is ridiculous.

I said China will not let BTC climb past $500 easily.  IMO they will continue to attempt to drive the price to sub $100(I can't see them doing it but they get an A+ for trying), when they achive their desired amount of BTC... strong hands will be rewarded.

Thank you China.   :-/
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