It is unfortunate vertoe left, but the point he tried to make by his actions did shout volumes to me about his character, despite his obvious talent.
And the fact he was so focussed on Darkcoin being all about dark markets.....that's a legacy which is now (thank goodness) being shed. isn't vertoe female? No.  (unless he is actually a she in a same sex marriage) |
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It is unfortunate vertoe left, but the point he tried to make by his actions did shout volumes to me about his character, despite his obvious talent.
And the fact he was so focussed on Darkcoin being all about dark markets.....that's a legacy which is now (thank goodness) being shed. |
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stop this madness, DRK was doing fine as a dark market focussed crypto for anonymous nefarious activity.
Fixed your quote for you. This thing's way bigger than your narrow little view encompasses. |
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okay
did more research and I'm in for DASH
I retract previous statements
That's great Mangled. I was pretty sure you'd come around. Once you start imagining all the ways DASH will be mentioned and referenced, it's no different to how other brands just roll off the tongue. I can just see a meeting back decades ago when Visa was first being planned for launch. A room full of executives awaits a presentation by one of the team who has announced they've thought of a killer name for this new credit card. "Oh yeah....what is it?" "VISA!" "You're kidding me! WTF! visa! That's a stamp on your bloody passport....are you on drugs? Who in their right mind is going to use a plastic card that's just some stamp in a passport? That's just so bland and uninteresting it'll never work. Get outta here for f^*~'s sake!" Yet, no one even thinks about what the word visa actually means because (in this context) it now represents something entirely different. And, in time, so will DASH. |
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I still like the name darkcoin more, i think it is the perfect name, and i do not like dash. Should focus more on the tech as oposed to PR as well IMHO.
I can understand that, however, Darkcoin is no longer just focussed on "being dark"; there's so much more to it and adoption with the name "Darkcoin" will be but a drop in the ocean compared to the whole ocean if it's given a new, far more acceptable and valid name. |
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Long time lurker and hodler here - bought the first DRK in early March 2014. Also am a happy owner of several masternodes that are running without any issues for weeks now. This is my first post and might get a bit long - so please bare with me and be nice  Overall, I'm quite happy with the idea of the rebranding finally going to be implemented - after reading about it for almost a year. Now, I'm not a native speaker and I can only speak for myself: DASH sounds just fine to me. It has always been difficult for me talking to friends about cryptocurrencies in general. Bitcoin is still just some kind of weird internet money for most of them, used by geeks to buy illegal stuff. So I never even actually tried to talk about or explain Darkcoin - mostly because of the name and the implications associated with it..... (snipped) Tremendous first posting _Scarab_. You've really articulated important concepts and considerations very well. This just goes to show that one needs to remember there are great people in the Darkcoin community who mostly just read this forum, but don't post. Many will have substantial input that we might never hear; but they're still out there all the same supporting what Darkcoin is through their investment. |
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Hello mprep I'm part of the Darkcoin community and spend most of my time on BCT in the [ANN][DRK] Darkcoin | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX thread As you would no doubt know, we've had many many examples of people posting FUD and undertaking concerted campaigns against Darkcoin. We currently have an individual who is posting lies and slander about the lead developer of Darkcoin, Evan Duffield and the Darkcoin community in general. Many of us have directed him to numerous posts and documents on why the issue he's constantly referencing isn't anything of concern to investors and the community and that it's something that was sorted long ago. But he's simply continuing on relentlessly determined to do damage. INSTAMINE ALERT
Attention: The developers and insiders instamined 2+ million DRK in the first 48 hours of launch.
SCAM IN PROGRESS
I think it needs to be dealt with by a BCT mod. regards RenegadeMan Read the OP: Possible (or real, not for me to judge) FUD, accusations or statements are not moderated Okay, thanks. If you have any ideas on how to handle someone like this (apart from the usual everyone putting him on ignore) please let me know. |
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Hello mprep I'm part of the Darkcoin community and spend most of my time on BCT in the [ANN][DRK] Darkcoin | First Anonymous Coin | Inventor of X11, DGW, Darksend and InstantX thread As you would no doubt know, we've had many many examples of people posting FUD and undertaking concerted campaigns against Darkcoin. We currently have an individual who is posting lies and slander about the lead developer of Darkcoin, Evan Duffield and the Darkcoin community in general. Many of us have directed him to numerous posts and documents on why the issue he's constantly referencing isn't anything of concern to investors and the community and that it's something that was sorted long ago. But he's simply continuing on relentlessly determined to do damage. INSTAMINE ALERT
Attention: The developers and insiders instamined 2+ million DRK in the first 48 hours of launch.
SCAM IN PROGRESS
I think it needs to be dealt with by a BCT mod. regards RenegadeMan |
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So Adam White what has gotten into you and jerked your chain so badly you feel this incessant desire to attack and slander everyone here? We've all explained to you what happened at the launch of Darkcoin and how much of a non-issue it is. I wasn't here for that and originally bought in close to the ATH when the big pump happened so I'm not a beneficiary of the large number of coins that were floating around at ridiculously low prices at the time (and I'm still underwater from then) but I'm not concerned about it. I've seen nothing but a very hard working lead developer and people who add enormous value here again and again. And the Darkcoin development team just keeps delivering again and again with new innovations and fresh ideas on how to solve the many shortcomings crypto's had up until this point. People here enjoy this immensely, but no one's making huge money out of it (yet). Where is this scam you're going on and on about? Where is the rip-off? Who are the beneficiaries? You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who's experienced anything like what you're describing. It's the very opposite; a close knit community of people that are enjoying each other's online company and looking forward to achieving something pretty special. Why do you feel such a deep need to come and put shit all over that and pedal your nasty slander? If you stop and think for a moment (whilst looking at yourself in a mirror) you'd find it very difficult to come to terms with this. It's not what you're ultimately about. I've just had a look through some of your postings in other non-Darkcoin related threads. They're typically passive-aggressive with a mix of demand and incredulity expressed again and again: You are phenomenally and stunningly full of shit. In addition, your posting history makes it obvious that you suffer from severe psychological issues. Seek help
Any specific reason why the devs won't acknowledge a single thing I post in this thread???
I have 2 questions.
Why was this question deleted: "How come your cpu miner was ridiculously slow for so long?"
Why are you so fucking shady.
How many legitimate questions are you going to delete/not answer
This coin is pure garbage. Nothing but a pump before the news that the anon doesn't work. This post will be deleted in 3...2....
4 days later and the windows/linux download links in the OP are still reversed. Is the Node team brain damaged or just lazy?
Mate, you've said to someone on one of these posts "get help" but I think you're talking to yourself. We're a happy bunch here. It's not all smooth sailing; we have some challenges, but on the whole we're happy. You could even come and join us and be part of this very special development that's clearly going to make an enormous impact. But you need to work out what's gotten you so angry and so pissed off and then work out how you're going to let it go and calm down. It can't be good for your health and mental well being! I hope you can find your way to something better than how you're behaving. |
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JFC. could there ever conceivably be a day where i just put 1000 drk somewhere on a wallet, i know its safe/under my control and its in a masternode?
What do you mean ? Masternode collateral is held in cold wallets these days. i looked at the directions to set one up and i was just like holy god wtf is this shit. in my mind, i would send 1000 drk to a wallet and hit a button that says "masternode activation sequence begin" and then it would start to lottery coins every now and again. Mmm....perhaps the "skillz" aint gonna "klls" on this one! A masternode is far more than just a wallet with a "masternode" check box and they've been designed to operate on proper data centre hosted kit. That typically means Linux via a VPS (Virtual Private Server) provided by one of the many VPS service providers. I didn't know much at all about linux but was able to follow Tao's guide okay to set up my masternode. It takes a bit of focus and a preparedness to go through the steps. But what you'll be doing is adding to this incredibly robust and substantial Masternode network (i.e. not just the running of a wallet....these MNs do a lot of work now with Darksend and InstantX). |
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Have you no shame? You've been caught out lying. You've come in here claiming "Oh....I've only just heard....I'm disappointed...."
You're wasting everyone's time trying to start the whole branding discussion all over again from the beginning yet you're over on Spreadcointalk saying "Hey guys, Darkcoin's changing their name.....we should leverage off this....yeah, this could be our great moment...."
It's just dishonest, lame and true troll behaviour.
If you're invested in DRK then add to DRK's success by taking part honestly and positively; not like some snake in the grass.
First of all, I did just hear about it. And I am disappointed. I think Darkcoin got its name from being anonymous and that's what people wanted. It fulfilled a need. Secondly referring to a coin as "Dash" is cause for concern. I would never insist that anyone call there coin; dash, dodge, ditch, run away, get out, leave, etc. Thirdly I am a capitalist. It would be foolish of me not to Capitalize on this opportunity. I think DRK would be making a terrible mistake by changing there name and I for one have no problem profiting off of fools. Fourthly here is my positive contribution: Do not change the name, it would be foolish. So you're "invested" in Darkcoin.... Thirdly I am a capitalist. It would be foolish of me not to Capitalize on this opportunity.
....and you're looking to "Capitalize" on this situation which sounds awfully like you're looking to grab hold of Darkcoin's old name and leverage off all the hard work that's gone into that? Yes? I think you have the mindset of a domain name squatter. No wonder Spread's not working out very well with this low-down, poverty/theft based mindset. You can be quite sure that Evan Duffield and the Foundation will take numerous steps to ensure Darkcoin's name change will not expose the existing IP and brand cache to rogue elements like that. Maybe you should head back on over to Spread because I don't think your intentions here are even remotely honourable and you've clearly been caught out. Why the hell would I grab Darkcoin's name? If Darkcoin dumped it that would give us no leverage.
End of discussion. You're not here to help, you're here to hinder and we don't need that. |
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Have you no shame? You've been caught out lying. You've come in here claiming "Oh....I've only just heard....I'm disappointed...."
You're wasting everyone's time trying to start the whole branding discussion all over again from the beginning yet you're over on Spreadcointalk saying "Hey guys, Darkcoin's changing their name.....we should leverage off this....yeah, this could be our great moment...."
It's just dishonest, lame and true troll behaviour.
If you're invested in DRK then add to DRK's success by taking part honestly and positively; not like some snake in the grass.
First of all, I did just hear about it. And I am disappointed. I think Darkcoin got its name from being anonymous and that's what people wanted. It fulfilled a need. Secondly referring to a coin as "Dash" is cause for concern. I would never insist that anyone call there coin; dash, dodge, ditch, run away, get out, leave, etc. Thirdly I am a capitalist. It would be foolish of me not to Capitalize on this opportunity. I think DRK would be making a terrible mistake by changing there name and I for one have no problem profiting off of fools. Fourthly here is my positive contribution: Do not change the name, it would be foolish.
So you're "invested" in Darkcoin.... Thirdly I am a capitalist. It would be foolish of me not to Capitalize on this opportunity.
....and you're looking to "Capitalize" on this situation which sounds awfully like you're looking to grab hold of Darkcoin's old name and leverage off all the hard work that's gone into that? Yes? I think you have the mindset of a domain name squatter. No wonder Spread's not working out very well with this low-down, poverty/theft based mindset. You can be quite sure that Evan Duffield and the Foundation will take numerous steps to ensure Darkcoin's name change will not expose the existing IP and brand cache to rogue elements like that. Maybe you should head back on over to Spread because I don't think your intentions here are even remotely honourable and you've clearly been caught out. EDIT: fixed your quote/quote problem. |
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I've added a few more trolls to my ignore list today bringing the total to over 20 in the last 48 hours. Thanks to illodin, tok, minotaur and everybody else here fighting them!
I hope we keep the Darkcoin "D" logo as there is a ton of great artwork/Memes associated with it...
So is anyone who disagrees with you a troll? I had legitimate concerns. Is my voice not allowed to be heard? This is honestly the first I am hearing about a re-branding... I am a bit disappointed. Just Lol  Have you no shame? You've been caught out lying. You've come in here claiming "Oh....I've only just heard....I'm disappointed...." You're wasting everyone's time trying to start the whole branding discussion all over again from the beginning yet you're over on Spreadcointalk saying "Hey guys, Darkcoin's changing their name.....we should leverage off this....yeah, this could be our great moment...." It's just dishonest, lame and true troll behaviour. If you're invested in DRK then add to DRK's success by taking part honestly and positively; not like some snake in the grass. |
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Let it be read as "dash" but written something like D.Csh, d.cSh or D-Csh, d-cSh etc...
Well that's an eyesore. Lol maybe.. Just throwing ideas out there instead of fits  Yes, good on you mpr20rt. I don't particularly like your suggestions but I appreciate you're trying to add to the conversation rather than crying foul and just chucking your toys out of the pram. |
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please, do not let your beliefs blind you.....I have to evaluate, re-evaluate and decide do I want to be invested in something that does not want to change the world but wants to be "accepted" before it is crushed by the same enemy this compromise tries to appease.
wozzek, I acknowledge your sentiments and am sure many are feeling the same way. But I urge you to look at it in another context for a moment. "Letting your beliefs blind you" - for me - amounts to believing for one moment that the name "Dark" makes a blind bit of difference to 'changing the world'. As you've already pointed out, the world "out there" is a lot darker than this project will ever be. Although it might give a few youthful crusaders a ripple up their spine, in practice it's about as threatening as a box of chocolates. Personally, I don't give a jip about the name - they can call it whatever they like for what I care as long as it does the job of identifying the project and the currency. I agree about Vertoe - it's a damn shame to loose someone like that, but at the same time I'm disappointed that they couldn't be bigger minded about it. It's maybe worth having a word with Evan about but definitely not ditching the project over. There are plenty of precedents to see how each option would have played out. The "dead coins" list is full of great symbology - from nations to atoms - that never lived up to their name because of lack of realism. Then there's Dark Wallet. That was supposed to "change the world" and now it's gradually being seen for what it is - a couple of nerdy anarchists (no offence to nerdy anarchists - I am one ) in their house trying to type out their idea of a free world. But it means nothing to anyone else - latest "funding round" amounts ot the grand total of 2 BTC. Names are important. But if they start to become toxic then they need to be ditched and I for one am thankful we've got a dev who isn't too myopic to do it. If people really think they're compromising something precious with the name "Darkcoin" then I just think they haven't seen enough of the world yet. Nailed it again Tok with a comprehensive summation of the fundamental bits in this (somewhat depressing frankly) controversy. Maybe we should just call it Tock. I can see some sort of charity drive with people being sponsored for knitting garments for homeless people "Tocks for Socks".....yes and the newsreaders going through the financials on the nightly TV newscast "The Dow is up, the Euro's down against the US dollar, gold is steady but the Tock has rallied once again to all new highs!" |
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I feel sick
I closed my Masternode and sold / am selling all of my coins. I spread this sale over several exchanges not to influence the price drop / change. Now I will step back and see how this would develop. IMHO - Evan has caved to the political pressure coming from a more conservative members of the Foundation. Compromises never excite me, for the key point of attack to Darkcoin would always be its main feature - almost perfect anonymity. As such Darkcoin is on a forefront of fight for our freedom and our right to privacy in this surveillance culture we have to endure. Compromising a well established brand that could've been a real instrument of change with several merchants that "might" with "no guarantees" adopt Dashcoin or whatever the "brand" will be is a sign of intrinsic weakness I dislike. Wozzek23 you're constantly posting comments as if Evan's announced that Darksend has been discontinued and is no longer supported! It's only the name that's changed, everything else remains the same. AND.....Evan's made this extraordinary announcement that's been all but lost in all the negativity and extreme over reaction; After giving it some thought, I came up with a scalable architecture that supports billions of transactions per day.
Specifications of this strategy:
The blockchain will automatically become much more anonymous than Bitcoin is.
Fees per transaction will be very, very low. Let the micro-payment revolution begin.
Zero-centralization
Scalable to billions of transactions per day
Requires a 2-tier network
Very low blockchain bloat
I read his extraordinary statement. And I wondered, if "MUCH MORE ANONYMOUS" does not represent what ELM4ever said on darkcointalk: "It's about enabling your Civil Liberties" why to squeeze / put "re-branding" AND all of this new strategy toghether? Evan, in his original paper, Darkcoin: Peer to Peer CryptoCurrency with Anonymous Blockchain Transactions and an Improved Proof of Work System, wrote: "Darkcoin is the first privacy centric cryptographic currency based on Satoshi Nakamoto’s Bitcoin." That was the "true essence of the project." What is the true essence now if NOTHING changed? Just you guys believed some merchants "might" but are "not guaranteeing" adopt the coin but would not because of its name? Groups of creative people in situations like this often blow up. We've seen this with vertoe. I closed my positions and will wait and see. And trust me, I am a Foundation Member (no one asked us anything), I used to own a MN, I am one of the Darkcoin Ambassadors (no one asked us anything) I have lost the money, donated the money etc., so I am also emotinaly invested into Darkcoin. BUT - if Darkcoin is NOT going to be on a forefront of defending our Civil Liberties, but just an investment, fuck it. I make, in one day on FOREX much more than I have lost on Darkcoin. But FOREX is a money-grubbing scheme I despise, but I am ready to compromise there. I am not ready to compromise with Darkcoin. Not in this phase for sure. wozzek have you gone to any businesses that aren't online casinos or porn sites (or some other purely 'online' realm where you'd be hard pressed to find a real-world person) and talked to them about "Darkcoin"? I have. It is disastrous. There is just no way we will get anywhere even close to adoption by mainstream businesses with this name (and I'm not talking about supermarkets and other regular retail situations....even Richard in Canada with his winery is finding it difficult to explain to people about Darkcoin). It's impossible....period. The name is associated purely with nefarious online activities. And you're expecting Evan, who has never hidden his identity (unlike most on here and dozens of other altcoin devs) to go forward and withstand the alarm, censure, judgement and default criminal association suggestions that are virtually guaranteed by him being the lead developer of, what you might as well call, IllegalDrugSupplyChainCoin because that's what society in general sees "Darkcoin" as. |
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So I'm still catching up.
So people seriously dumped because of a name change possibility? I can see a name change setting DRK back in marketing in the short term, but the coin did not change! I didn't fall in love with Darkcoin because of the name. I may be partial to the name, but I'm not mindlessly married to it. I seriously can't understand anyone letting their emotions go off the deep end over this.
One thing I can say, is Evan is impulsive and will become enthusiastic about something - a new idea, a better idea, hell he recoded everything once because he came up with a better idea. It's this incredible impulsivity, that burst of energy that he gets, that makes him so good at what he does! But maybe it's not good in the diplomacy department.
Take Verto, if he left because Evan didn't consult him, well, I'd have to say that was as impulsive as Evan's announcement. I'm certain Evan didn't mean to discount anyone else's input, he just felt he knew what needed to be done and wanted to get the ball rolling. No other thoughts, just "OK, I'm convinced now that we must do this, so let's go!" It's just how he is. He isn't a diplomat. He's a brilliant inventor, thinker and coder. Not a CEO! Yet he is put essentially in a CEO's position. Remember Steve Jobs anyone?
At least Evan is actually a super incredible nice person, unlike Mr. Jobs (sorry Steve, but you know you were a pain - you're still well loved!).
Anyway, if any of you out there are feeling suddenly nervous, please let me assure you, the worst thing you cold do right now is watch this family fight and think it's going to break apart. Families don't break up that easily. So unless you're so angry you have to quit, I suggest you laugh at everyone and sit tight.
Brilliant summation Tante! Yes, everyone's been so in awe of Evan and so fanboyish about him and his work, but when something comes out of left field (which is typical for a genius type of person) many go into complete meltdown expecting we should have had a UN council vote first. That's not how this thing's rolling everyone! Darkcoin has been the brilliant cutting edge development it has because of Evan. He can't be expected to be a 100% perfect human every single day. We've all had enormous benefit from him (even though I bought into DRK close to its ATH so I'm still underwater) and we've all been so enthralled by what he does. He's just announced a most amazing level of scalability and it's been all but ignored in amongst all the angst and upset about the darn name! I mean really....this is so immature....can everyone just stop and consider what's going on here! |
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I feel sick
I closed my Masternode and sold / am selling all of my coins. I spread this sale over several exchanges not to influence the price drop / change. Now I will step back and see how this would develop. IMHO - Evan has caved to the political pressure coming from a more conservative members of the Foundation. Compromises never excite me, for the key point of attack to Darkcoin would always be its main feature - almost perfect anonymity. As such Darkcoin is on a forefront of fight for our freedom and our right to privacy in this surveillance culture we have to endure. Compromising a well established brand that could've been a real instrument of change with several merchants that "might" with "no guarantees" adopt Dashcoin or whatever the "brand" will be is a sign of intrinsic weakness I dislike. Wozzek23 you're constantly posting comments as if Evan's announced that Darksend has been discontinued and is no longer supported! It's only the name that's changed, everything else remains the same. AND.....Evan's made this extraordinary announcement that's been all but lost in all the negativity and extreme over reaction; After giving it some thought, I came up with a scalable architecture that supports billions of transactions per day.
Specifications of this strategy:
The blockchain will automatically become much more anonymous than Bitcoin is.
Fees per transaction will be very, very low. Let the micro-payment revolution begin.
Zero-centralization
Scalable to billions of transactions per day
Requires a 2-tier network
Very low blockchain bloat
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I'm still dragging on and on like a stuck record with the same old boring lines
Adam you're just so "3 hours ago" We're onto a whole new subject now and you've not caught up. Troll score B- |
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