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[illodin]

Evan Duffield is an instaminer scammer criminal.

Now why would you say a thing like that. Evan Duffield is a publicly known real person with real name who also among other things happens to work with attorneys in his daily work, not an anonymous nick in a forum.

Meditate on that for a while, and then read these:
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/slander
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/libel
http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Defamation+of+character

[kointrend]

Wow, what the fucking wake up!

Anyway go ahead from here...GO DASH
(I love bear trap!)

[TanteStefana2]

So I'm still catching up.

So people seriously dumped because of a name change possibility?  I can see a name change setting DRK back in marketing in the short term, but the coin did not change!  I didn't fall in love with Darkcoin because of the name.  I may be partial to the name, but I'm not mindlessly married to it.  I seriously can't understand anyone letting their emotions go off the deep end over this.

One thing I can say, is Evan is impulsive and will become enthusiastic about something - a new idea, a better idea, hell he recoded everything once because he came up with a better idea.  It's this incredible impulsivity, that burst of energy that he gets, that makes him so good at what he does!  But maybe it's not good in the diplomacy department. 

Take Verto, if he left because Evan didn't consult him, well, I'd have to say that was as impulsive as Evan's announcement.  I'm certain Evan didn't mean to discount anyone else's input, he just felt he knew what needed to be done and wanted to get the ball rolling.  No other thoughts, just "OK, I'm convinced now that we must do this, so let's go!"  It's just how he is.  He isn't a diplomat.  He's a brilliant inventor, thinker and coder.  Not a CEO!  Yet he is put essentially in a CEO's position.  Remember Steve Jobs anyone? 

At least Evan is actually a super incredible nice person, unlike Mr. Jobs (sorry Steve, but you know you were a pain - you're still well loved!).

Anyway, if any of you out there are feeling suddenly nervous, please let me assure you, the worst thing you cold do right now is watch this family fight and think it's going to break apart.  Families don't break up that easily.  So unless you're so angry you have to quit, I suggest you laugh at everyone and sit tight.

[wozzek23]

I feel sick

I closed my Masternode and sold / am selling all of my coins. I spread this sale over several exchanges not to influence the price drop / change. Now I will step back and see how this would develop.

IMHO - Evan has caved to the political pressure coming from a more conservative members of the Foundation. Compromises never excite me, for the key point of attack to Darkcoin would always be its main feature - almost perfect anonymity. As such Darkcoin is on a forefront of fight for our freedom and our right to privacy in this surveillance culture we have to endure.

Compromising a well established brand that could've been a real instrument of change with several merchants that "might" with "no guarantees" adopt Dashcoin or whatever the "brand" will be is a sign of intrinsic weakness I dislike.

Wozzek23 you're constantly posting comments as if Evan's announced that Darksend has been discontinued and is no longer supported!

It's only the name that's changed, everything else remains the same.

AND.....Evan's made this extraordinary announcement that's been all but lost in all the negativity and extreme over reaction;

After giving it some thought, I came up with a scalable architecture that supports billions of transactions per day.

Specifications of this strategy:
The blockchain will automatically become much more anonymous than Bitcoin is.
Fees per transaction will be very, very low. Let the micro-payment revolution begin.
Zero-centralization
Scalable to billions of transactions per day
Requires a 2-tier network
Very low blockchain bloat

I read his extraordinary statement. And I wondered, if "MUCH MORE ANONYMOUS" does not represent what ELM4ever said on darkcointalk: "It's about enabling your Civil Liberties" why to squeeze / put "re-branding" AND all of this new strategy toghether?

Evan, in his original paper, Darkcoin: Peer to Peer CryptoCurrency with Anonymous Blockchain Transactions and an Improved Proof of Work System, wrote: "Darkcoin is the first privacy centric cryptographic currency based on Satoshi Nakamoto’s Bitcoin." That was the "true essence of the project." What is the true essence now if NOTHING changed? Just you guys believed some merchants "might" but are "not guaranteeing" adopt the coin but would not because of its name?

Groups of creative people in situations like this often blow up. We've seen this with vertoe. I closed my positions and will wait and see. And trust me, I am a Foundation Member (no one asked us anything), I used to own a MN, I am one of the Darkcoin Ambassadors (no one asked us anything) I have lost the money, donated the money etc., so I am also emotinaly invested into Darkcoin.

BUT - if Darkcoin is NOT going to be on a forefront of defending our Civil Liberties, but just an investment, fuck it. I make, in one day on FOREX much more than I have lost on Darkcoin. But FOREX is a money-grubbing scheme I despise, but I am ready to compromise there.

I am not ready to compromise with Darkcoin. Not in this phase for sure.

[Majormax]

Naming :

Respectfully suggest there could have been a little more thought. eg

How about   DartCash  (or DartCoin )

1. It retains first 3 letters of Dark

2. 2 syllables easily memorable.

3. Avoids any copyright/confusion issues.

4. Suggests speed and precision.


Consulting the Community would use a powerful resource : (no need to be afraid of trolls etc)

[RenegadeMan]

So I'm still catching up.

So people seriously dumped because of a name change possibility?  I can see a name change setting DRK back in marketing in the short term, but the coin did not change!  I didn't fall in love with Darkcoin because of the name.  I may be partial to the name, but I'm not mindlessly married to it.  I seriously can't understand anyone letting their emotions go off the deep end over this.

One thing I can say, is Evan is impulsive and will become enthusiastic about something - a new idea, a better idea, hell he recoded everything once because he came up with a better idea.  It's this incredible impulsivity, that burst of energy that he gets, that makes him so good at what he does!  But maybe it's not good in the diplomacy department. 

Take Verto, if he left because Evan didn't consult him, well, I'd have to say that was as impulsive as Evan's announcement.  I'm certain Evan didn't mean to discount anyone else's input, he just felt he knew what needed to be done and wanted to get the ball rolling.  No other thoughts, just "OK, I'm convinced now that we must do this, so let's go!"  It's just how he is.  He isn't a diplomat.  He's a brilliant inventor, thinker and coder.  Not a CEO!  Yet he is put essentially in a CEO's position.  Remember Steve Jobs anyone? 

At least Evan is actually a super incredible nice person, unlike Mr. Jobs (sorry Steve, but you know you were a pain - you're still well loved!).

Anyway, if any of you out there are feeling suddenly nervous, please let me assure you, the worst thing you cold do right now is watch this family fight and think it's going to break apart.  Families don't break up that easily.  So unless you're so angry you have to quit, I suggest you laugh at everyone and sit tight.

Brilliant summation Tante!

Yes, everyone's been so in awe of Evan and so fanboyish about him and his work, but when something comes out of left field (which is typical for a genius type of person) many go into complete meltdown expecting we should have had a UN council vote first.

That's not how this thing's rolling everyone! Darkcoin has been the brilliant cutting edge development it has because of Evan. He can't be expected to be a 100% perfect human every single day. We've all had enormous benefit from him (even though I bought into DRK close to its ATH so I'm still underwater) and we've all been so enthralled by what he does.

He's just announced a most amazing level of scalability and it's been all but ignored in amongst all the angst and upset about the darn name!

I mean really....this is so immature....can everyone just stop and consider what's going on here!

[toknormal]

So people seriously dumped because of a name change possibility?  I can see a name change setting DRK back in marketing in the short term, but the coin did not change!  I didn't fall in love with Darkcoin because of the name.  I may be partial to the name, but I'm not mindlessly married to it.  I seriously can't understand anyone letting their emotions go off the deep end over this.

One thing I can say, is Evan is impulsive and will become enthusiastic about something - a new idea, a better idea, hell he recoded everything once because he came up with a better idea.  It's this incredible impulsivity, that burst of energy that he gets, that makes him so good at what he does!  But maybe it's not good in the diplomacy department. 

Take Verto, if he left because Evan didn't consult him, well, I'd have to say that was as impulsive as Evan's announcement.  I'm certain Evan didn't mean to discount anyone else's input, he just felt he knew what needed to be done and wanted to get the ball rolling.  No other thoughts, just "OK, I'm convinced now that we must do this, so let's go!"  It's just how he is.  He isn't a diplomat.  He's a brilliant inventor, thinker and coder.  Not a CEO!  Yet he is put essentially in a CEO's position.  Remember Steve Jobs anyone? 

At least Evan is actually a super incredible nice person, unlike Mr. Jobs (sorry Steve, but you know you were a pain - you're still well loved!).

Anyway, if any of you out there are feeling suddenly nervous, please let me assure you, the worst thing you cold do right now is watch this family fight and think it's going to break apart.  Families don't break up that easily.  So unless you're so angry you have to quit, I suggest you laugh at everyone and sit tight.

Amen to that.

My sentiments exactly. You said everything I've been thinking the last few hours.

It all comes with the package and it's 1 brilliant package.

[TanteStefana2]

Huge respect to crowning and snogcel for their latest git pull request... I think they must have borrowed Thor's hammer to beat that one into the QT client. 

It's absolutely beautiful! Great work crowning & snogcel. For anyone wondering what we're talking about: https://github.com/darkcoin/darkcoin/pull/234

That looks really awesome!  Thank you!

edit: dagnabbit, wrong quote, LOL

[bitkilo]

Checked DRK price like i do every morning, looking normal.
Read another thread about the name change, checked price after work and WTF!
If money talks then this is the DRK community shouting "I don't like this"

Will it still remain as DRK? Im guessing that has to change with the name also.

[RenegadeMan]

I feel sick

I closed my Masternode and sold / am selling all of my coins. I spread this sale over several exchanges not to influence the price drop / change. Now I will step back and see how this would develop.

IMHO - Evan has caved to the political pressure coming from a more conservative members of the Foundation. Compromises never excite me, for the key point of attack to Darkcoin would always be its main feature - almost perfect anonymity. As such Darkcoin is on a forefront of fight for our freedom and our right to privacy in this surveillance culture we have to endure.

Compromising a well established brand that could've been a real instrument of change with several merchants that "might" with "no guarantees" adopt Dashcoin or whatever the "brand" will be is a sign of intrinsic weakness I dislike.

Wozzek23 you're constantly posting comments as if Evan's announced that Darksend has been discontinued and is no longer supported!

It's only the name that's changed, everything else remains the same.

AND.....Evan's made this extraordinary announcement that's been all but lost in all the negativity and extreme over reaction;

After giving it some thought, I came up with a scalable architecture that supports billions of transactions per day.

Specifications of this strategy:
The blockchain will automatically become much more anonymous than Bitcoin is.
Fees per transaction will be very, very low. Let the micro-payment revolution begin.
Zero-centralization
Scalable to billions of transactions per day
Requires a 2-tier network
Very low blockchain bloat

I read his extraordinary statement. And I wondered, if "MUCH MORE ANONYMOUS" does not represent what ELM4ever said on darkcointalk: "It's about enabling your Civil Liberties" why to squeeze / put "re-branding" AND all of this new strategy toghether?

Evan, in his original paper, Darkcoin: Peer to Peer CryptoCurrency with Anonymous Blockchain Transactions and an Improved Proof of Work System, wrote: "Darkcoin is the first privacy centric cryptographic currency based on Satoshi Nakamoto’s Bitcoin." That was the "true essence of the project." What is the true essence now if NOTHING changed? Just you guys believed some merchants "might" but are "not guaranteeing" adopt the coin but would not because of its name?

Groups of creative people in situations like this often blow up. We've seen this with vertoe. I closed my positions and will wait and see. And trust me, I am a Foundation Member (no one asked us anything), I used to own a MN, I am one of the Darkcoin Ambassadors (no one asked us anything) I have lost the money, donated the money etc., so I am also emotinaly invested into Darkcoin.

BUT - if Darkcoin is NOT going to be on a forefront of defending our Civil Liberties, but just an investment, fuck it. I make, in one day on FOREX much more than I have lost on Darkcoin. But FOREX is a money-grubbing scheme I despise, but I am ready to compromise there.

I am not ready to compromise with Darkcoin. Not in this phase for sure.

wozzek have you gone to any businesses that aren't online casinos or porn sites (or some other purely 'online' realm where you'd be hard pressed to find a real-world person) and talked to them about "Darkcoin"?

I have. It is disastrous. There is just no way we will get anywhere even close to adoption by mainstream businesses with this name (and I'm not talking about supermarkets and other regular retail situations....even Richard in Canada with his winery is finding it difficult to explain to people about Darkcoin). It's impossible....period. The name is associated purely with nefarious online activities. And you're expecting Evan, who has never hidden his identity (unlike most on here and dozens of other altcoin devs) to go forward and withstand the alarm, censure, judgement and default criminal association suggestions that are virtually guaranteed by him being the lead developer of, what you might as well call, IllegalDrugSupplyChainCoin because that's what society in general sees "Darkcoin" as.

[BobSlurpee]

I saw Dash and though that sounds crap. Then I read short for Digital Cash and liked it a little more, always mention the digital cash part. or. Just call it Digital Cash. ty.

[kludzins]

I saw Dash and though that sounds crap. Then I read short for Digital Cash and liked it a little more, always mention the digital cash part. or. Just call it Digital Cash. ty.

I agree.

If the Dev Team is ever considering to change name then Digital Cash is the best 

[Majormax]

I saw Dash and though that sounds crap. Then I read short for Digital Cash and liked it a little more, always mention the digital cash part. or. Just call it Digital Cash. ty.

Makes sense , as much as my suggestion of  Dart .

The community could have been consulted more : not for politeness and procedure, but simply to harness the sheer power and information available in the decentralised model. Evan (or a few people) may be brilliant developers, but the naming requires wider skills.

[PhattyBanks]

Guys I seriously think DASH is going to be a problem. Remember the Coinye coin Kanye West fiasco? He sued multiple people in different countries and Coinye was one of the shittiest most worthless shitcoins, it was only worth like 10 sats at the most. Kanye is married to Kim Kardashian now and DASH is a Kardashian brand, if they find out about it I'm almost sure Evan will hear from their lawyers. I would hate to see Evan sued over this name change is DCash available?

[AizenSou]

I'm very conflicted... I never liked the name Darkcoin and I think the name Dash ("Dark Cash") is brilliant... However was it worth losing one of the greatest members of the Dev team who also happened to be one of the greatest devs in the crypto world?! Hard tradeoff.
In the long-term moving to 'Dash' may look great but in the short-term I think losing vertoe will hurt greatly.
JL

+1

Ok let's recap it. Assuming we're a company and Evan is the CEO.
The CEO made a decision and the shares price of the company drops sharply > 20%. What would the board members do? Meeting and discussing how to fire him, of course.

I respect Evan as the creator of Darkcoin and he did make crucial decisions before, but now it doesn't involve only a few members anymore. Vertoe is here from the start, it must be very frustrating for him to make such decision as leaving.
Evan I hope you take this as a lesson in the future. Before making such crucial decisions, at least communication between the internal members is required.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,

Aizen.

[wozzek23]

wozzek have you gone to any businesses that aren't online casinos or porn sites (or some other purely 'online' realm where you'd be hard pressed to find a real-world person) and talked to them about "Darkcoin"?

I have. It is disastrous. There is just no way we will get anywhere even close to adoption by mainstream businesses with this name (and I'm not talking about supermarkets and other regular retail situations....even Richard in Canada with his winery is finding it difficult to explain to people about Darkcoin). It's impossible....period. The name is associated purely with nefarious online activities. And you're expecting Evan, who has never hidden his identity (unlike most on here and dozens of other altcoin devs) to go forward and withstand the alarm, censure, judgement and default criminal association suggestions that are virtually guaranteed by him being the lead developer of, what you might as well call, IllegalDrugSupplyChainCoin because that's what society in general sees "Darkcoin" as.

I have. Several reputable therapists, addiction counselors and psychiatrists were ready to enable secure chat and Darkcoin transactions on their websites, in order to protect their clients' privacy.

I am aware about the pressure Evan might expect in the future. I suspect he does not like too much noise and (wrongful) association with nefarious activities today, but google for "bitcoin enables criminal activity" and you will see that even the saintly name of a non-anonymous cash-like invention does not bode well with the overlords and their sycophant serfs. Future SAINT coin will always have the same features as the current Darkcoin has and as such, it would be attacked.

And Evan would be attacked if the Darkcoin grows. And they will call the Saint Coin a fraud that is being used for illegal drug supply chain crimes and will attack it anyway. So the name "Darkcoin" is an excuse for someone to pretend to be helping Even avoid the stigma. As far as the "society in general," please, do not let your beliefs blind you - the "society in general" has absolutely no clue what Bitcoin is and could not care less about some obscure "coin," be it Saintcoin, Darkcoin or Dash, a project whose market cap is akin to that of a several new Apple watches price.

Do not get me wrong - Evan seems to be the nicest person ever, for sure the nicest genius ever, and I do not want him to put his life in any sort of danger or nuisance coming from all sort of "associations." He might be a tech revolutionary and for sure does not have to be a real world revolutionary. In my case, and I speak only for myself, what I've experienced with this "caving in compromise" is a betrayal of my own expectations, my own illusions and my own outlook. No one has forced me to have them (expectations) or to invest or to sold my coins, no one asked me to work on it, to recruit "my own genius" to (thinks slack and first real DRK presentation in the real world) work on it, to promote it, to work with me on a Darkcoin based project(s).

If this is going to be "just" an investment, this compromise has shown a real intrinsic weakness that now I have to evaluate, re-evaluate and decide do I want to be invested in something that does not want to change the world but wants to be "accepted" before it is crushed by the same enemy this compromise tries to appease. Without an emotional investment in the message I hoped to help create, I see no purpose of working with it, I have no clue. I sold all my crypto and while the fiat money is endlessly traveling toward my bank account, I will take the time to evaluate.

The tech behind Darkcoin is great and it will stay great or even better. Now I see the weaknesses in and out and will re-assess my outlook on it as an investment, but am not sure I would be involved in a "message" that is lukewarm.

The time will tell.

[illodin]

Guys I seriously think DASH is going to be a problem. Remember the Coinye coin Kanye West fiasco? He sued multiple people in different countries and Coinye was one of the shittiest most worthless shitcoins, it was only worth like 10 sats at the most. Kanye is married to Kim Kardashian now and DASH is a Kardashian brand, if they find out about it I'm almost sure Evan will hear from their lawyers. I would hate to see Evan sued over this name change is DCash available?

Can't it be just called "digital cash" without it being a trademark or anything of that sorts, just like "money"? And then have the ticker DASH.

You'd just download a wallet that you can store your digital cash in, is there really a need for it to be a brand at all?

[maese123]

As has been said, I believe that this change will be for the best, after my wall was sold in to completely there were no walls at all for a considerable period of time during this controversy, I think that was some good free market price discovery of where today's natural floor would be in difficult conditions, the coins that were sold to me are now effectively removed from the open market and will join the masternode network in strengthening the coin, my present wall is 100 BTC @ 0.01 on Finex if anyone would like to exit a large position, it won't be removed or lowered, there's also 30 BTC worth of bids on Cryptsy at the same price.

yeah, sure and... they are like icebergs... I've heard that before

[noobtrader]

wozzek have you gone to any businesses that aren't online casinos or porn sites (or some other purely 'online' realm where you'd be hard pressed to find a real-world person) and talked to them about "Darkcoin"?

I have. It is disastrous. There is just no way we will get anywhere even close to adoption by mainstream businesses with this name (and I'm not talking about supermarkets and other regular retail situations....even Richard in Canada with his winery is finding it difficult to explain to people about Darkcoin). It's impossible....period. The name is associated purely with nefarious online activities. And you're expecting Evan, who has never hidden his identity (unlike most on here and dozens of other altcoin devs) to go forward and withstand the alarm, censure, judgement and default criminal association suggestions that are virtually guaranteed by him being the lead developer of, what you might as well call, IllegalDrugSupplyChainCoin because that's what society in general sees "Darkcoin" as.

I have. Several reputable therapists, addiction counselors and psychiatrists were ready to enable secure chat and Darkcoin transactions on their websites, in order to protect their clients' privacy.

I am aware about the pressure Evan might expect in the future. I suspect he does not like too much noise and (wrongful) association with nefarious activities today, but google for "bitcoin enables criminal activity" and you will see that even the saintly name of a non-anonymous cash-like invention does not bode well with the overlords and their sycophant serfs. Future SAINT coin will always have the same features as the current Darkcoin has and as such, it would be attacked.

And Evan would be attacked if the Darkcoin grows. And they will call the Saint Coin a fraud that is being used for illegal drug supply chain crimes and will attack it anyway. So the name "Darkcoin" is an excuse for someone to pretend to be helping Even avoid the stigma. As far as the "society in general," please, do not let your beliefs blind you - the "society in general" has absolutely no clue what Bitcoin is and could not care less about some obscure "coin," be it Saintcoin, Darkcoin or Dash, a project whose market cap is akin to that of a several new Apple watches price.

Do not get me wrong - Evan seems to be the nicest person ever, for sure the nicest genius ever, and I do not want him to put his life in any sort of danger or nuisance coming from all sort of "associations." He might be a tech revolutionary and for sure does not have to be a real world revolutionary. In my case, and I speak only for myself, what I've experienced with this "caving in compromise" is a betrayal of my own expectations, my own illusions and my own outlook. No one has forced me to have them (expectations) or to invest or to sold my coins, no one asked me to work on it, to recruit "my own genius" to (thinks slack and first real DRK presentation in the real world) work on it, to promote it, to work with me on a Darkcoin based project(s).

If this is going to be "just" an investment, this compromise has shown a real intrinsic weakness that now I have to evaluate, re-evaluate and decide do I want to be invested in something that does not want to change the world but wants to be "accepted" before it is crushed by the same enemy this compromise tries to appease. Without an emotional investment in the message I hoped to help create, I see no purpose of working with it, I have no clue. I sold all my crypto and while the fiat money is endlessly traveling toward my bank account, I will take the time to evaluate.

The tech behind Darkcoin is great and it will stay great or even better. Now I see the weaknesses in and out and will re-assess my outlook on it as an investment, but am not sure I would be involved in a "message" that is lukewarm.

The time will tell.

+1
hater will still hate you after you change your name, and losing your dev

[0nlyBTC]

You guys realize there is already a cryptonote coin called 'Dashcoin' right?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=678232.0